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Considering the salaries these men are on, these fines are really not enough. They should also have to do some community out reach work with LGBT groups so that they realise that there is nothing wrong or different about being gay.
I absolutely agree. Money is nothing to them. They could spend that in a weekend
I think community service would be a much better option. Especially, as you say, working with an LGBT organization.
Good idea, but does the FA have the ability to enforce community service?
@Rehan
It would probably take a change in the FA rules. They do have the power to introduce other penalties for players and officials who fail to comply with FA directions, tenuous, but if those directions could be made to do a particular task or set of tasks that could be enforceable method?
Would you really want people who are so obviously homophobic working within our community? Like the idea but practically it wouldn’t change a thing and could place vulnerable LGBT in harms way.
I think its fantastic. These fines are coming in thick and fast now and the more there are the less anyone can claim not to know they were doing anything wrong when they post stupid comments online.
As it goes on, and I’m sure it will, the fines will get bigger and eventually everyone will catch on.
What is interesting is the response from Newcastle supporters to the incident. They haven’t exactly rallied Mr Ranger
http://www.nufcblog.com/2012/03/01/newcastle-striker-fined-6k-and-warned-as-to-future-conduct/#more-122165
but what did he actually say?
With these kind of reports I always feel like we’re only getting half a story.
According to a geordie based football discussion group he said:
“Shut up, you f@cking little gay”
Thanks stu for enlightening me ! To me at least it doesn’t seems so bad ! He was using “gay” as a demening term which shows a latent homophobia . But he is entitled to his opinion about someone else’s sexuality ! He didn’t actually use an abusive or insulting term such as “faggot” or Queer” or “Puff” or “Queen” . . . .And that shows a considerable improvement in what would have been the case even a few years ago !
I’m disgusted as a Newcastle Utd fan that Nile Ranger continues to be employed without any form of comment by Newcastle Utd. Not only is there this charge from the FA for homophobic conduct on twitter, he is currently on conditional bail and restricted from entering Newcastle City centre (with the exception of home match games) due to facing trial for two counts of actual bodily harm, two counts of assaulting police officers and being drunk and disorderly. It is disappointing that Newcastle Utd have made no official comment on these matters. Homophobia should not be tolerated one iota. Newcastle Utd seem to be keen to support anti-racism methods but ignore homophobia. Its a disgrace.
Interesting that this report does not mention the charging of the QPR player on loan to Manchester Utd, Federico Macheda. It is believed that the chargesof Macheda may also relate to homophobia.
It was good to see Clarke Carlisle condemn homophobia last night on Question Time though!
actually it does
Oops, skipped those couple lines … thanks
Truly pathetic.
The FA is a disgrace.
So Suarez issues a racist comment, gets a 40,000 quid fine and an 8 match ban for making said racist comment.
Yet these homophobic bigots get a slight fine, no match ban and the FA won’t even announce what they said.
And notice that these homophobic bigots are not even required to apologise for their bigotry.
Homophobic double standard anyone?
The FA is clearly unfit for purpose in addressing homophobia.
The FA remains as pathetic and institutionally homophobic as it has always been.
And has the FA issued any updates on whether or not it is appropriate for England to enter the 2022 World Cup.
Now that the FA is pretending to regard homophobia as a problem(hint: they are only pretending) then clearly they realise that England cannot compete in a country where gay people are jailed for being gay?
I bet he would be the first to complain if anybody had remarked on him being black.
Works both ways, sunshine.
Thats right you stay in the gutter with him
James – what do make of the homophobic double standard, whereby a football player accused of racism gets a 40,000 pound fine and an 8 match ban?
Whereas a player accused of homophobia is fined less than a week’s wages.
You do accept that the FA treats racism as a far more serious offence than homophobia don’t you?
If not then I guess you are a homophobic scumbag?
Did you actually read my comment or just fly off the handle
I know spanner would love to call that idiot a n#gger. Racism is not a weapon against homophobia.
Yes he is out of order and deserves to be punished in the same manner as Suarez and Terry and sacked like Lee Steele.
Did i say otherwise?
Er, at what point did I even intimate any racist slur towards the guy?
It is just a simple fact that racist insults are regarded somehow more abhorrent than homophobic ones, and that many blacks are virulently homophobic, yet are the first to start accusing people of racism when the bigotry is turned towards them.
Spanner 1960, what about footballers like the late Justin Fashanu?
@MIke: What about him?
Of course you can be black , gay and even a footballer.
Nobody said otherwise.
Equally, one could be racist, homophobic and a stockbroker.
What’s your point?
dAVID, I’ve asked this before, but does it make a difference if an incident takes place during a match as opposed to in a player’s private life? (That’s not a challenge BTW, I really don’t know if there’s a sort of sliding scale in action here.)
If it takes placed during a match then I would argue that the punishment should be LESS serious in my view. Not MORE serious as in the Suarez case.
In the heat of the moment it could be argued, that people say bigotted things without thinking.
However to be sitting behind a computer like these homophobic bigots and to be engaging in hate speech, from the comfort of their sitting rooms makes their bigotry far more premeditated.
Then again it doesn’t matter.
If a player is a homophobic bigot then he needs ot be punished as seriously as a racist bigot.
Sadly thanks to the institutional homophobic bigotry of the FA, they do not regard homophobia as seriously as racism.
These absurd non-punishments for disgusting bigots like Nile Ranger and Manny Smith proves beyond dount that the FA’s pledge to tackle homophobia is meaningless PR bulls***, and that the FA does not regard homophobia as a problem.
The FA is clearly not fit for purpose in dealing with homophobia.
Hm. There is, however, something to be said for the argument that what one does in uniform is representative of the team/sport/institution, but what one does in one’s private capacity is different, isn’t there?
@……
…..Only works both ways if you refuse to evolve and remain stoically an ignorant thug too…..
Paddy gets it David you need to take a deep breath before attacking the keyboard.
@Spanner..
….My comment was for Spanner above re his works both way jibe….
Unfortunately there are many ignorant thugs around.
Some of them even take up professional football.
Here we bloody go again – spanner in the house…
Another who because of bigotry and discrimination would have been nowhere a couple of generations ago. How quickly they forget or how unable to think things through.?
The fines would have been far higher had he uttered comments or slurs against religious groups. If he had been white and denigrated an ethnic group, I can only imagine what those fines might have been, to say nothing of public uproar from MPs.
It would have been a 40,000 pound fine and an 8 match suspension (and in the case of John Terry a criminal investigation also).
The FA does not regard homophobia as a problem as these non-punishments for bigotry are concerned.
The FA is not fit for purpose when dealing with homophobia.
The next time a football player in invollved in a homophobic incident (and knowing how bigotted the FA is, I predict this will happen within a couple of weeks) they need to be reported to the police.
If the FA point blank refuses to deal with homophobia then we need to send them a very unsubtle reminder (the police) that they are meant to be taking homophobia as seriouslu as racism.
What goes around comes around. Won’t be long before his equally enlightened ‘fans’ are making monkey gestures next time he’s on the pitch.
I hope not.
That really wouldn’t help.
(Although of course seeing as neither Nile Ranger or Manny Smith has actually apologised for being a homophobic bigot, then of course they automatically lose the right to whine about discrimination against themselves – that’s the rule isn’t it – you only deserve the same respect as that which you give to others).
As a black solicitor working in Birmingham, someone who has turned down representing two homophobes this year alone, I can say hand on heart that I feel nothing when bigots are discriminated against – whatever their colour is. If they’re hammered hard enough, maybe one day they’ll realise what others are going through. So whilst football fans being morons wouldn’t really help from a legal or moral perspective, on a cosmic level it is fitting to me. There are too many people of colour who are homophobes. And if you happen to be gay and living in Sparkbrook, wish for yourself that you don’t bump into them.
Well said.
in terms of disparity in fines for abusive comments or conducts it seems that the FA treats homophobia as something merely inappropriate while racism is treated as totally unacceptable and off limits
The FA is failing dismally to address homophobia.
Their new campaign to address homophobia is already failing miserably and simply proves the assertion that it was a meaningless PR exervise to begin with.
John Terry is under police investigation for racist comments he allegedly made.
We cannot rely on the FA to address homophobia as they are clearly unwilling to do so.
We need to start getting the police involved the next time these bigots engage in their hatespeech.
incitement to hatred is a crime.
Why does every bigot use Twitter to make their moronic statements? Then again why does every idiot use Twitter and who would be bothered reading that cr@p.
People never learn that lesson do they?
It’s because on Twitter you’re limited upto 140 characters in a post. Anything more than that on another medium would blow their brains!
Another brainless homophobic footballer. Not enough of a punishment. Bigotry should have the same penalty whether it is because of ethnicity or sexuality. When are the FA going to get their house in order and realise they are both as bad as one another. Seems you can get away with a small fine for homophobia, but then you get match bans and hefty fines for racism.
I’d agree the fines need to be upped and the majority of the fine used as a donation to a gay charity.
These ‘stars’ should realise that despite their social status, they are not immune from the law.
In reading the comments here today there is a strong consensus that the FA are finally demonstrating intolerance for these homophobic/racial situations. Clearly it is an admission when comments made on social media outlets bring the game and organizations into disrepute.
Fortunately I can say seeing the contributing commentators at present, I am relieved not to see certain names of people who commented humorously on the 27th February, Facebook to fix system which tried to suggest ads for ‘faggots’ I was surprised how many people voted up comments made on that page.
Had those comments appeared on a social network I wonder what the reaction would have been in a forum like this and the demands for action called for? It was the ultimate example of a double standard for “some” LGBT expressing acceptability depending on who makes the remarks.
Subsequently it is a relief not seeing any of those people calling for harsher penalties!
“GLBT”
Right the first time: LGBT…lol
LG… GL… LG… GL… I am still gonna get my a$$ barbequed lol
NO, that’s BBQ. ;)
I have to say that I disagree with these fines on basic grounds of free speech.
I am gay. I am very happy to be gay. And I dislike people making nasty comments.
But my right to be offended does not transcend the rights of other people to free speech.
I am horrified by the comments here.
Someday, public opinion may swing against gay people, and what defence will we have then, if we have helped eviscerate rights of free speech?