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Council pushed on future of London gay pub’s amateur strip night

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  1. Is there any evidence as to other establishments in Tower Hamlets that may be under threat and what their nature of “entertainment” is?

    1. essexgirlbecky 27 Feb 2012, 7:09pm

      Stu – short answer yes. The original consultation documents listed 11 venues which, based on the nature of their offer, would be defined as ‘sex establishments’, these include lap-dancing venues and strip clubs. The draft policy is predicated on a need to tackle crime and disorder, poverty, inequality and the exploitation of women. Rainbow Hamlets put together a strong submission explaining why those issues did not apply in the case of the White Swan. That’s on the RH website as well – http://rainbowhamlets.wordpress.com/key-documents/ and scroll down till you find it.

      1. Poo on the penis...,.euuugh! 27 Feb 2012, 7:27pm

        Would hate to see your long answer!
        BTW Stu, how is the investigation going into my alleged hatred. I have things to do you know so please ask plod, CPS, CIA, and Scotland Yard to put a rush no it would ya stewie?
        Also, why have you not produced (as promised) the post which I allegedly said HIV is a gay disease? Two months ago you said you would produce it in 24 hrs. The failure on both issus exposes yu as the gross liar and fantasist that all here know you to be, not to mention a sufferer of multiple personality disorder and homosexual disorder.

        1. Sister Mary Clarence 27 Feb 2012, 9:05pm

          This has got nothing whatsoever to do with the news story in question, so WTF are you doing posting this cr@p.

          If you don’t like someone else on here, for whatever reason, I actually don’t care and I suspect most other people don’t so can you take it somewhere else please.

      2. Hi Becky

        Thanks for that. I will have a look at the RH submission.
        Certainly the White Swan amateur strip event is unlikely to have any implications for exploitation of women(!). I suspect the crime and dosorder implications of the venue are low. I also can not see how an amateur comedy strip event impacts on pverty or inquality in any manner.
        Good luck with your campaign. You have possibly one of the most sensitive areas to support and represent in the UK for LGBT People.

        Keith – I am not going to engage in a running commentary on a police investigation with you. I have made a complaint. The police have liaised with me and pN. When you need to hear you will but it is a complex investigation. Your bullying and offensive comments are noted and ridiculed by many. I will not engage with you further regardless of the content.

        1. Poo on the penis...,.euuugh! 27 Feb 2012, 8:43pm

          I am baffled by the apparent complexity of the investigation. One would think it a fairly straightforward prosecution. ridicule I will continue to remind you of hat which you would prefer to disappear. That is your lies about the riminal complaint and your failure to produce the post about my alleged statement that HIV is a homosexual disease. Respond or ignore, it matters not as you are a liar until you produce on both these counts.
          Also, good luck with the multiple personality disorder therapy!

          1. David Myers 28 Feb 2012, 8:31am

            Please don’t feed this troll/toad.

        2. Poo on the penis...,.euuugh! 27 Feb 2012, 9:18pm

          Being told to bugger off and get a life is not liasing!

          1. Oh, look who’s back with the Stu obsession?

            Can I help you sir?
            One ticket to crazyville, thank you.
            Do you have booze on this train?
            Oh, loads.

  2. Is this clampdown part of an effort to please the Mahoundians in the area? I’d rather we close down all the religious establishments… that way less children will be drafted into prostitution by the pious.

  3. An extremist-backed mayor, supported by conservative religious elements both in and outside council, whose supporters harass and heckle an openly gay Jewish councillor from the public gallery and one of whose councillors talked on her Facebook page about how her cousin had “gone batty” (from batty man = gay in nasty Jamaican patois) – damn right they’re going to close this if they can.

    1. Scott Lovely 27 Feb 2012, 2:29pm

      Really? I thought it was just an ordinary labour council. Are you suggesting there’s a Taliban in town?

      1. Lutfur Rahman is not Labour. Most of his supporters, as I understand it, are ex-RESPECT members (a hideous conglomeration of Trotskyites and Islamists headed by that glowingly orange apologist for Iran’s gay-hanging theocracy, George Galloway) and he has the backing of the extremist Islamist group, Islamic Forum of Europe. Andrew Gilligan has done a lot of investigative work about Rahman’s dodgy links and the blog Trial by Jeory details the shenanigans going on in TH council. It’s one of the most corrupt boroughs in London.

      2. Sister Mary Clarence 27 Feb 2012, 3:48pm

        I’d read up on it a bit matey – the short answer to your question is ‘no’

    2. @Clive

      The defence the council has used is that they are trying to treat all “sex establishments” the same in Tower Hamlets.

      Now, we need to respond in one of three ways, either demonstrate that they are not treating other establishments which have amateur strip nights (non-gay) the same, prove there is a special case for this establishment or demonstrate (with evidence) that there is an anti-gay agenda at work (or a combination of all of these if appropriate).

      That was why I asked at the beginning if there was any evidence of which other establishments may be under threat and what the nature of their entertainment was.

      1. Scott Lovely 27 Feb 2012, 3:17pm

        In British culture there is a difference between male stripping (comic or not) and female stripping ( is there such a thing as a comic version?). And in bar top dancing. There is a background of female exploitation, but the male version doesn’t have this reputation, so there is a rationale to treating them differently.

        1. Scott Lovely 27 Feb 2012, 3:20pm

          I.e. Not treating the male version as prohibitively ad the femal version. But you suspect the reverse is in fact happening.

  4. Nigel J Dougan 27 Feb 2012, 3:16pm

    Despite running hours behind schedule I read this article with plans compose a diatribe upon my out of date knowledge of both the pub and Tower Hamlets.

    Mercifully I have been delighted to read the comments made by Clive and Stu as they are spot on the mark.

    As a former Vice Chair of the Independent Advisory Group for Kent Police, I cannot condone the posting made by Scott. A little extreme. I do believe the Pink News and our better newspapers have adequately covered the problems fundamentalists pose within this wonderfully diverse community.

    There are powerful groups that have found a voice that will split this Borough by the propagation of ‘Hate’.

    It is vital that licencing issues regarding harmless antics conducted in the pub are not seen as the thin end of the wedge. Getting your gear off for your mates isn’t exploitive & can hardly be deemed pornographic. Women having to strip to entertain lecherous drinkers in pubs within the area is something worthy of examination.

    1. Scott Lovely 27 Feb 2012, 3:31pm

      Hel-lo, can you read? I simply expressed surprise as I hadn’t heard the things Clive was suggesting about Tower Hamlets before, though I haven’t been following events there at all. HE seems to be suggesting the talibanisation of the borough, (a term I use without reference to any particular religion, rather an extreme moral stance), which would be surprising.

  5. I dont see a problem with a strip night at a gay bar. There is really nothing sexual. Its more like a comedy night.

    I went to one once. It was a ‘ policeman ‘ and whipped cream. There was really nothing sexual about that just awkward, cringing and messy.

    1. Scott Lovely 27 Feb 2012, 3:53pm

      What about the bar top dancers in the Village pub in soho? If they still do it, that is. Some of them are really hot. But I still see it as different to women doing the same thing in a straight pub, as it seems less exploitative.

      1. how less exploitative? male and female strippers both do it for money and if white swan pub pay people to strip there (be it in cash or free drinks) than it can be seen as a sex establishment (on that particular night of stripping)

        1. Scott Lovely 28 Feb 2012, 11:42am

          Men are more likely to do it by choice rather than desperation or being forced to, than women, I would expect.

  6. Chrisitne Beckett 27 Feb 2012, 4:02pm

    I think that Rainbow Hamlets are beginning to discover the real nature of the people running the council.

    Too late, sadly. The law is in place and it is going to be used to enfore the views of religious zealots.

    Can’t blame this one on the EDL.

    chrissie

    1. Those who haven’t realised where the battle lines have been drawn have not been paying attention. The media has been mostly silent about the islamic fascist party in Britain, even though it’s been operating for 25 years, and gets 10,000 fascists going to its conferences. The muslim world in 1990 rejected the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

      Idiots like those in Rainbow Hamlets think that the new fascists will be like the old ones. But they are different — they are protected by an ideology disguised as religion.

      The UAF has just appointed a new leader. He’s a muslim from Tower Hamlets, and true to form, he wants to subjugate democracy to sharia law. He wants the caliphate restored (just like the islamic fascist party). The fascists have come back and are in bed with the so-called anti-fascists.

      http://hurryupharry.org/2012/02/28/azad-ali-awlaki-fan-opponent-of-democracy-now-vice-chair-of-unite-against-fascism/

      Don’t expect the UAF or the left to stand up for gay rights.

  7. Will the council target and close religious venues if they are found to be assisting hate crimes.

    1. Thanks Becky.

      It will be interesting to see what response you get!

  8. Sister Mary Clarence 27 Feb 2012, 6:32pm

    Scott, the problems with Tower Hamlets and some of the extremists that have taken hold have been documented for years.

    In 2004 the held a segregated mayoral ceremony resulting in complaints from a number of female councillors who objected to women being segregated, and as one (Bangladeshi) pointed
    it was a civic ceremony, not a mosque.

    Some of the biggest critics of what is actually happening there are from the Muslim community, particularly women, who fled the persecution of other Muslim countries to come here only yo find they are increasingly living under the same attitudes they faced in those countries.

    1. Scott Lovely 28 Feb 2012, 11:44am

      Thanks for the background.

  9. Graeme Robertson 28 Feb 2012, 10:50am

    Having been a regular I wouldn’t call it a ‘comedy” strip night except perhaps for the obliged finale, “The White Swan wave”.

    I think audiences generally come in hope of fit young guys (often overseas tourists) showing off.

    Though I do remember a regular competitor in my day was an 60+ guy in black ingerie. That was comedy, although perhaps not intended as such,

    This sort of byelaw was also brought in in Glasgow, so that male strippers in gay bars were not allowed ‘to protect women’.

  10. The muslim councillor who brought in this law is up for an award (here she is with hijab): http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/tower_hamlets_councillor_rania_khan_up_for_award_after_fighting_against_sex_and_lap_dancing_clubs_1_1212984

    It is also alleged by The Telegraph that she is proud of her collection of lethal attack knives (includes photos of her knife collection), and that she is homophobic, and a supporter of Zakir Naik, a muslim banned from entering Britain and Canada (he promotes the execution of gay people).

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100125368/lutfur-rahman-cabinet-member-i-luv-my-weapons/

    There’s plenty of evidence there to show what kind of person we are dealing with.

    1. Sister Mary Clarence 28 Feb 2012, 12:26pm

      Saw the knife things as well – got to love them haven’t you.

      Tower Hamlets epitomises how religion and cultural belief can be corrupted by those seeking power and control. It would appear that a number of people on the council would like to bring into play many of the features you would expect in a Muslim culture, and yet there are many things they are themselves doing that would never be permitted or tolerated under those same Muslim cultures.

      Have their cake and eat it springs to mind.

      The vote rigged saga is a good example of this. Its difficult to research what the penalty would be for this is a Muslim state, as many of them don’t have comparable democratic structures, but I’m guessing its probably something a lot more nasty than is given here.

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