Wow, people on here are keeping very quiet about this storey. Obviously most people do not care about the death threat. You all just as evil if you support that.
He’s probably lying.
These things pop up every time someone voices they’re bigoted views they then just say “I was threatened, look at the nasty gays”.
Shouting/typing “BOO!!!” does NOT constitute a death threat!!!!!
Death threats are wrong.
Stigmatising people on the grounds of their orientation is also wrong.
“I do not see the need for legislation to recognise gay marriage. I will vote against it. But it does not at all follow that I am anti-gay and homophobic. He is a bare faced liar, he is a rabid homophobe and so are the people who back him, as for the ‘death threat’ I for one, don’t think he is speaking the truth about that, far too convenient.
Why exactly is he a ‘homophobe?’ Mr Burrowes has said that he doesn’t believe marriage should be available to 2 men (a relationship model which cannot procreate.) He is not expressing intolerance towards homosexual attraction, nor homosexual activity. In fact, I’d imagine he equally disagrees with making marriage available to 3 men in a relationship, yet this doesn’t make him a polyphobe.
He is a homophobe because he is a christian fundamentalist with all that goes with the unreasoning of the religionist. He is incapable of being truthful. He is a homophobe and so is the organisation that pulls his strings for him CARE.
Then he should look a little bit further back in the history of his own religion Christianity, where is used to be perfectly accepted that two men could marry.
An icon from St. Catherine’s Monastery on Mt. Sinai shows the two Christian martyrs St Sergius and St Bacchus with the pronubus (the best man’) depicted as Christ between them.
Putting aside all the references to them being ‘sweet companions’ and ‘joined in life’, the old est text of their martyrology, written in New Testament Greek describes them as “erastai,” or “lovers”.
Pushing on a few years to the 10th and 11th centuries history provides us with details of the “Office of Same-Sex Union” in the 10th and 11th centuries, and the “Order for Uniting Two Men” in the 11th and 12th centuries.
Frankly Jonny I’m always surprised why modern Christians seem to be so oblivious of the history of their own faith. Heavens, its almost as if they don’t want to know.
2 men? How about a straight couple who can’t have children? argument invalid.
I’ll repeat the point seeing as you don’t seem to be able to grasp it – marriage should be available only to the relationship model out of which procreation can take place.
So, there have been instances of a man and a woman procreating together, yet no instances of two men procreating together anymore than there have been instances of three men procreating together.
Your ‘argument’ invalid.
If marriage has the sole purpose of procreation then it should be between a man and as many women with whom he can procreate.
If you look into the Bible, that “model” of marriage was accepted by “God”.
Limiting marriage to only one man and one woman is limiting the “purpose” of it.
He’s homophobic because he doesn’t believe that homosexuals deserve the same rights of life as heterosexuals, therefore he is phobic and showing intolerance about homosexuals. Jeez, the brains of some people. Does he also think heterosexuals who cannot have children should be denied marriage rights because they can’t procreate? No, thought not, so doesn’t really make sense what you are saying, does it?
Hold on here, James. Where is he saying that he doesn’t believe “homosexuals deserve the same rights of life as heterosexuals?”
In fact he is supporting the status quo – which says that any one man (whatever his ‘sexuality’) may join in marital union with any one woman (whatever her ‘sexuality.)
The reason is (as I’ve explained countless times before,) that the combination of one man + one woman is the only known way of procreating. Therefore, this is the relationship model out of which marriage be available to.
I’ll repeat once more – the typical combination of a man and a woman is able to procreate. This is not the case with any other relationship model – be it one of 2 men, or one of 3 women and 4 men.
Is this Sarah Palin speaking? I remember she used the same idiotic argument before. She said to a gay man: you have the right to marry, as far as you are marrying someone of the opposite sex !!??!!??
Where does it say that marriage is about procreation?
Surely, marriage is about love?
Are you saying gay men and lesbians are incapable of love?
If so, you are totally wrong!
So are we to assume that a woman wo is barren or past the change shouldn’t be allowed to marry either as they certainly would no be able to “procreate” either. If yes then you are a bigot and typical homophobic xtian who picks and chooses from his Abrahamic book of fiction.
Alan Duncan! I’m looking at you!
The idiot who did this (unless it is “false flag”) is being totally counter-productive if backing marriage equality.
It should be investigated. It should also be born in mind that, as these people always seem to claim this in America and use it to demonise gay people and play victim, there’s a high probability it’s an extremist on their own side. Let’s not forget their extremists send “White powder” (as in anthrax) to abortion clinics, and murder doctors.
Gay people are the victims of violent thugs and murderers, not Christians.
So no Christians in the modern world have ever been persecuted?
When was the last time in a first world country some one was killed simply for being a Christian? I cant think of any since ancient Rome. I don’t count Christians killing eachother over doctrinal differences, of which of course there have been many.
On the other hand someone regularly gets murdered or bullied to suicide simply for for being, or appearing to be, gay.
They persecuted and killed millions through history and still do so good if the shoe is now on the other foot
Jesus would be appalled. Christianity is a disease
Yeah well, what goes around, come around…
In the Western World, no. It’s debatable whether you can count the centre of Nigeria or rural Pakistan as being in any way “modern”.
Certainly not enough of them….
Scott, gay people can be the victims of people, but we are also victims of ourselves. The domestic violence rate for gays and lesbians is extremely high and in many reports higher than in heterosexual couples. I myself have been a victim of this three times with the women I date, never the men I have dated. It is wrong and dangerous to start generalising about our being always right and victims and they (ie. straight Christians) as always being wrong and victimisers. Throughout the history Christians have been persecuted–during Roman rule, during the Protestant Reformation Christians persecuted Christians, in the 17th century Christians were persecuted in China, Tippu Sultan persecuted Christians in and around the Mysore Kingdom and I could go on. I am not a Christian for the record.
I think it is crucial to remain balanced in evaluating the realities behind homophobia. Personally, I have experienced more homophobia from other lesbians than I have from heterosexuals.
I remember a lesbian couple, one of which was a friend of my mother’s who had terrible rows which often turned violent. You are right, gay relationships are not immune from the same problems that hetrosexual relationships sometimes come up against. Relate, formally Marriage Guidance, may help as could the gay councelling service, Broken Rainbow.
He looks a bit gay to me.
Why is it always the Tories who are caught full with their pants down around their ankles.
The conservatives are the most closeted of all. It’s easy to tell who they are when they rant and rail against gays to the point of obsession. Just look at what they’re doing in America. I do agree with you, my gaydar gets very agitated whenever I encounter this face. That old fart Carey is probably one of them too, definitely Rowan Williams as soon as he opens his mouth. They can hide behind their wives all they want, doesn’t mean anything. Hypocrites and bigots.
Ok Burrowes, have you reported it to the police? Someone posting such threats can easily be traced through Facebook, Twitter, email IP addresses. It is quite possible this threat was manufactured to garner support for the petition to ban marriage equality and make our opponents look like the victims,typcial bloody religious bigotry at its worst. Why do these idiots think their religious views can trample on the civil rights of others? They’re in the minority. They have their rights, nobody is forcing them to have a civil marriage or marry a gay person. I’d like him to provide the factual evidence to support his claim that same-sex marriage in 10 countries has changed his marriage or anybody else’s? Typical bloody Tory bigot.
If he has received a threat then clearly its wrong, and if he believes in upholding law and order then he should report it … bet he hasn’t …
He says he received the Death Threat (only one?) BEFORE he joined the campaign! Is this alleged Threat even connected with that campaign? After all, MPs tend to piss off a lot of their constituents (the ones that didn’t vote for them to be an MP, for starters), so it could about anything.
Just a thought…..
If he’s getting death threats, then by all means call the cops. The rest of his statement is bunk – he is a homophobe and no one has ever proven a legitimate secular reason to deny marriage equality (and those who harken to antiquity usually do so without understanding what marriage WAS, what it is now and why evolution is a bloody good thing).
Is there anyone commenting on this page who is familiar with Tax law. As far as I know I, as a single gay man pay the same tax as a single straight man. Surely this is not right. As i don’t have the same rights as the straight man i should pay Less tax.
Has anyone ever contested this and is it not time we started this line of protest until such time as we have FULL equality with the breeders.
There was a juror in the USA, who asked the judge if he could leave.
When the Judge asked why he felt he had the right to leave his jury service, he stated that as a full tax paying gay man, he was not a full citizen due to his lack of certain rights.
The judge agreed and let him leave.
I set up the facebook group to counter David’s argument that changing the legal definition of marriage wasn’t something that needed to be done because he said :
“It’s not an issue people are hammering us on the doorstep to do something about”
when he was interviewed in the Independent on 17th January.
David is of course entitled to his own view on this issue, but I felt that this aspect of his argument was weak – and that in my opinion there were many people who felt strongly about ensuring equality of choice in this matter – and that these people may not have made their views known to him or their own MP before – hence setting up the group. I also wrote him a letter on the issue.
The news that he has received a death threat is terrible and I very much hope the person who made the threat is tracked down and brought to justice.
I agree, For those interested, send Mr. Burrowes an email. I just sent mine. Be respectful but let him know that this issue matters greatly to gay people, that this is a purely civil issue and nobody is forcing anyone to recognise, accept or perform same-sex marriages because of their religious beliefs. We can all co-exist with full equality, irrespective of one’s opposition. It shouldn’t be an issue for people of faith since it is not mandating any denomination to comply with the law once it is passed.
Ooops, I forgot to include the link to Burrowes:
I see the intern issue is raised there, a rightwing antigay religious organisation is providing interns to various MPs. Such interns are really being trained up to become politicians, potentially a sort of theocratic fifth column in our parliament.
No religious organisation should be allowed to provide interns. Keep it limited to the political parties.
Hi Scott. I have set up a petition about it. CARE (who provided the intern) sponsored the ‘gay cure’ event in 2009. So far David Lammy has come out to say he will no longer have a CARE intern. Still waiting for all the other MPs to reply. I have been in contact with as many local newspapers as I can to put pressure on them to make a public statement, as David Lammy has done. The more people who can sign the petition the better !
I suspect that a large pinch of salt is required with this. In the late ’70s Anita Bryant claimed to have received loads of death threats. She sang terrible songs at her rallies and Gore Vidal said that the only people likely to kill her were music lovers!!
In the US, a politician called Sally Kern complained of death threats, law enforcement found nothing to substantiate any of her claims (she had written a book…connection?) And the NOM hate group has also complained about aggression by LGBT people, but ended up having to testify that it amounted to little more than people “glaring” at them (oh, the horror). That aside, even if there was a death threat, it is manifestly dishonest to try and infer that all LGBT people approve of that. But then he’s a tory, so what can we expect?
I wonder if CARE came up with the idea of the death threats. Their US linked organisation has connections to Sally Kern
Interesting some people on here denying equal marriage campaigners could NEVER stoop to such levels and that it must be someone from his own side.
Get real – there are fanatics on all sides. Condemn the act and move on, or the cause will be discredited.
Or ‘EVER’, even.
Thank you Alex, I think that is exactly what I was trying to do a few posts up – but let me make crystal clear – making a death threat is unacceptable in my view.
It’s the less likely of the possibilities, but everyone agrees it should be investigated. Let’s see what the alleged threat said exactly, and if it’s genuine, trace the source.
It does however seem to be standard practice to make such a claim, or send some such damaging email if they exist, from America to Singapore, to attract sympathy and demonise the evil gays. It is so methodical and standard, it seems most likely to be a tactic.
The Coalition for Equal marriage site is all well and good but isn’t it distracting from the Equal Love campaign?
Anyway, i have signed it, and posted it on facebook and twitter. I guess both the Equal Love and the Coalition for Equal Marriage petitions will show the strength of support for marriage equality, anyway.
I just wish the Equal love website would display how many signatures there for their petition.
I also very much doubt that the death threat was anything to do with his opposition to marriage equality.
And whatever way you look at it, opposition to LGBT equality is a form of homophobia. It may be a mild form, but it is still homophobia.
If you trace back and find who are making “death threats” (and with technology you can find them, if you want to) you will find who is making these “death threat” and the Christians are doing all they can to make gays look bad. Christians are spending a lot of money on propaganda to destroy gays as we all know. For example the Catholics, Mormons and Evangelicals Christians spend millions of dollars to stop gay marriage. If they do that you will find that they are also spending that money on black propaganda to make LGBT people look bad in the media so as to turn public opinion away from their fight to get equal marriage rights around the world. Expose the people who are really making these threats and put the spot light on the Christians who are saying bad things in their propaganda to try and stop LGBT people from having equal and civil rights as well as Human Rights in the world.
They don’t want to destroy us, they just want us back in the closet and hidden in the shadows, thinking that our natural sexual thoughts and tendencies are wrong and therefore in need of salvation. Create the guilt the offer the solution. It’s the oldest business on the planet.
In America, hate groups such as the National Organisation for Marriage do actually spread false information, in fact lies about LGBT people that help promote bullying. Burrowes is entitled to his beliefs and opinions but sadly, people like him don’t understand that when he’s making public pronouncements about his beliefs against same-sex marriage, he’s sending a signal to those so inclined in society to commit violent acts against LGBT people including bullying. Marginalizing us in this manner by supporting discrimination, opposing our right to a civil marriage contract only compounds the problem. He IS part of the problem. One can disagree with marriage equality but one can also leave one’s beliefs at home where they belong and support equality since it doesn’t affect him directly or anybody else for that matter. His resistance is irrational and based on fear where there isn’t any.
Yes and the American extreme evangelical groups are funding some of the anti equal marriage campaigns, so it would not be surprising if some of their “tactics” were used in campaigning i.e. underhand, unscrupulous and immoral.
We should not automatically disbelieve a death threat. I think this would be horribly hypocritical of anyone to assume such a posture. We should be concerned. If it is a fraudulent claim, then we can assess that at that future time. Until then, I do not find it in good taste or in the spirit of equal rights to make light of a death threat. This person has politics with which I personally disagree, but he has every right to life as any of us here. I think we should be focussing on his political rhetoric, addressing that and show support of any human who is facing a threat all at the same time. It is possible to be supportive and yet disagree with this person.
True, but if the threat has genuinely been received then it should be reported to the police to investigate and they should consider all possibilities including that the threat was or was not genuine.
They have six or seven children. His wife has something to do with some religious think tank – when she’s not shagging him that is.
You can’t blame her, he is a bit of all right so long as he keeps his mouth shut.
with those teeth i would hope so! ow….
Well the good news is that there is a counter website that we can all sign to support equal marriage, please pass the web address around, let’s not let the bigots win!
I find it bitterly ironic that this man receives ONE death threat, whether real or imagined, and he feels it warrants a press release and some front-page attention. Gays, on the other hand, live with death threats on a constant basis. Whether an actual in our face threat on the street or in the school yard, or on posters or leaflets freely distributed, or from the pulpit, or from our own families, or from radical politicians — these and more occur on a daily basis and it doesn’t even warrant a wrinkle in the media.
Live with it, we do. Welcome to our world. Not too rosy is it?
If, it is in fact real, call in the authorities; if not, he should be prosecuted for spreading false rumours.
Totally agree. I want to see the evidence. It’s not difficult to track down an email sender, Facebook or Twitter account holder either in this day and age of high techology. One threat is minimal either way. You’re right, we face violence every day of our lives, he doesn’t.
Lord Carey started it, when he said “Christians should be prepared to die for their faith in the war against secularism.”
If I had said that, the Police would come calling for committing a hate crime, so how can he get away with it?
If so, it sounds like Carey meant fight to the death. In other words kill? Pretty extreme anyway.
Yeah, poor old oppressed Carey and co. How can the institutions of state ever be allowed to be agnostic when it comes to religious affiliation?
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He is a hateful homophobe and does not support civil/human rights of lgbt communities.
Thats right David, mobs of LGBT are always marauding the streets brutalising and threatening folk aren’t they?
There seems to be a pattern emerging here, anti marriage individuals and groups claiming to feel threatened and intimidated.
Sounds a bit orchestrated to an old cynic like me, not say desperate.
I presume the MP for Enfield Southgate has handed over this alleged death threat to the authorities for proper investigation and that he isn’t trying to poison the well by careful insinuation. The catholes know they aren’t winning the hearts and minds of the electorate with alarmist bile such as this. We should all pray for the MP for Enfield Southgate that he listens to his constituents and not vote for the Christian Conversative Fellowship that he is a member of. Amen.
Why is it ,that those who appose ,whether it’s Gay rights or gay Marriage etc….always seem to have a Gay look to them .
I bet these are the same people that have practised Homosexuality in a point in their lives .
So far back in the closet, that they are in Narnia having good times with Mr Tumbness.
Those that are in the closet ,I’ll soon lock that Door ,so they’ll have to stay in there .
There’s some great stuff in there. I can’t help wondering if Jan Moir writes his scripts. The trigger phrases like “political correctness” and “play[ing] politics [with the institution of marriage]“. The unsubstantiated claim of “death threats”. A view of the world that lacks any shred of empathy – of course Burrowes “doesn’t see the need” for marriage equality – he has married the person he wanted to marry. Followed by the ridiculous claim that being although he’s against equal rights for gay people “it doesn’t follow” that he is “anti-gay or homophobic” – actually, it kind of does.
David Burrowes should not receive death threats.
But thanks to David Burrowes opposition to civil equality for gay people (which includes marriage) it remains a fact that David Burrowes should be expelled from the Tories, for being a bigot.
There is no valid reason why gay couples should be denied access to the contract of civil marriage.
David Burrowes belongs in the BNP.
I wish David Cameron were sufficiently committed to equality to take some sort of punitive action against out and out homophobes in his party like this.
David Cameron probably agrees with much of the homophobic extremism of his party (look at his own shameful and disgracefully homophobic voting record).
He’;s smart enough to know that the extremist homophobia that was characteristic of his party until about 5 years ago repels voters,.
He needs to grow a pair and sack this Burrowes creature instantly.
Burrowed belongs in the BNP.
Unpleasant though it must be, ‘death threats’ are an inevitable feature of the internet age where some idiot can anonomously type in some threat. People in the public eye from sportsmen to polticians, from pop stars to political activists receive them. Lets not get too excited about this unless someone can prove it is a real threat.
Internet message are not that anonymous. Sources for them can at least be traced to an IP address for a start. The internet is a lot less anonymous than we would like to believe if the police really need to find someone who is using it criminally.
….unless they used a proxy and they don’t record IP address’ for obvious reasons….
One wonders what happened during his life to make so utterly hate filled…oh wait, christians indoctrinated him. What a surprise that is…not.
I don’t get some of the people on here. He is tory after all. What do you seriously expect? Conservatives traditionally oppose gay marriage; its just the lib dems that are pushing for it. However, I do think he is entitled to an opinion just as we all are: freedom of speech and all. Pleased that same-sex marriage is being introduced though as its the right thing in this day and age.
ok the counter marriage equality petition is a bit of fun and we shouldn’t put too much credence on petitions but shouldn’t PN and other gay orgs be promoting it a bit.
You have to read this article to actually find out there is a petition.
There is also an eptition with over 4000 signatures which could be promoted as well
As for the equal love petition , it is a seperate petition calling for straight CPs as well which isn’t quite the same and Yewtree it does show the number of signatures, it;s in th 2500 range.
While I disagree with David Burrowes’s views, making death-threats against him will cost us the moral high-ground in this debate. Unlike many other ‘minority’ groups, we never had to resort to terrorism, murder, rape or extortion in order to get us where we are now.
True – although we only have David Burrowes word about the death threats.
He is a homophobic religious extremist. He could be lying. Lying comes second nature to these BNP types you know.
Death threat? Dox or GTFO.
He’ll get caught with his pants down sooner or later.
Just be patient and bide your time.
Thanks to David Burrowes attempts to impose his own extremism on all of society, he is effectively inviting the press to snoop about his own private life.
Happy digging reporters.
I suspect people like Burrows are not predominately homophobic. They don’t have irrational fear. I suspect he is more of feeble character – the type that is intolerant to any person that is different or doesn’t match his view on how others or should be. It’s about his need to have power and control over others that he dislikes. Usually you find these types of characters would not have supported equality between genders, races and cultures. I can have some sympathy for people who are genuinely homophobic in than that irrational fear is more often than not born out of ignorance or misinterpretation of some prior life experience. Often faced with accurate information they become less fearful. In contrast people like Burrowes have character problems. His attitude tells us more about his personality and it is not a particularly nice one at that.
He is being manipulated by extremists like CARE though.
He is completely lacking in any courage or integrity.
He reaffirms the notion that the Tories is the party for nasty bigotry.
Burrowes should count himself lucky he only gets threats. GLBT people around the world face the threat of violence every day just for being gay. Many are the victims of violence to the point of death. In some countries they are put to death by their own governments.
If an MP was being outwardly racist and as a result, received a death threat would we really be all that surprised or outraged?
My uncle’s best friend is an MP and, though quite a low profile one, he gets loads of mail, email etc every day. From time to time those letters and emails contain threats, someone’s read something that he’s said in a local or national paper etc and have taken great issue with it. Not all of them are death threats but yeah every now and then they are. The threats get passed along to the police if they feel it’s necessary and life goes on. As far as I know he’s never made a public issue out of it since largely they are just cranks although since the stabbing of Stephen Timms they are taken more seriously.
So whilst I’m not condoning the actions of the person who made the threat (assuming such a threat was actually made), I am questioning why Mr Burrowes felt the need to make this so public. Could it have anything to do with his agenda? Demonising gay people? Showing the world how horrible we are just because he has a different opinion?
death threat or –
death wish ?
I was shocked to read about the link to CARE – a christian charity which is on record as being anti-gay.
I was even more shocked to find out they co-sponsored a gay-cure event in 2009.
I was amazed to find out that 18 MPs have declared material support from CARE since the gay cure event, which CARE co-sponsored.
I am shocked to see CARE fundraising to develop primary school sex and relationship education material on The Big Give website.
I hope you will sign my petition to call on these MPs to publicly distance themselves from a charity that has co-sponsored a gay cure event.
Here is the list of MPs who have had a CARE intern since the conference:
The truth about the coalition for marriage:
Wow, just reading the comments, it is full of vitriol, slander, insult and rabid hatred that is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia is in a dog.
The Greek word “homo” as opposed to the Latin means not just the same but of the same kind, as in that which creates homogeneity – completeness, wholeness- mankind made of two complementary halves: a man and woman. A phobia means an inordinate and irrational fear or hatred. So listen this homophobe hardly describes David Hollobone. Learn your Greek.