The attitude towards Rape in this country is backwards anyway. It’s only really recently the Women have been able to be able to talk about it, the fact Men feel they have to hide something like this is utterly shameful in todays soceity…
But then, what can we expect from a country that has archaic rape law anyway. It was only in 1991 that a man was found guilty of raping his wife (previously he couldn’t be found guilty of that crime)… And today, I mean come on… A woman could knock a man out, pump him full of god knows what, force herself upon him against his wishes, become pregnant and not only will she not be found guilty of rape (as rape requires penetration) she’d probably win the right to child support… disgusting.
You were doing OK up until your rant about women knocking men out just to get pregnant and claim child support. What a ridiculous claim!
I think he went wrong when he complained that men can’t rape their wife. This presumes that men should have free access to sex from their wife whenever they want even if she doesn’t want it.
No, it’s quite clear from reading the comment that he’s just disgusted that men raping their wives wasn’t illegal until 1991.
Also, it is important to remember that women can rape men. Which again is something that goes against the idea that men are always in control, and even more so because people might assume that (a) the man wanted it because men always want sex, and (b) the man must be weak because he was unable to stop himself being raped by a ‘weaker’ woman.
Actually there have been several cases in English Law where Women have been let off a rape charge because a woman can’t rape a man unless he is penetrated…
One particular case had 4 women drug a guy, drag him out a bar into an ally way, then forced themselves upon him whilst he tried to resist. Rape? Yes! Convicted? No…Why? Women can’t rape men, it was seen as a sexual assault and that’s all they got… horrific, archaic rape laws…
You are probably refering to ‘Piranhas’ which refers to young women who deliberatly get themselves pregnant by wealthy, middle-aged men when then sting them for up to £4000 per month child support so they don’t have to work for a living. This is thanks to the Child Support Agency which extracts money from absent fathers on an ‘ability-to-pay’ basis which effectively leaves them with barely enough money to eat, drink, sleep, p**s and s**t.
I never knew an unconscious male could attain an erection to facilitate penetration? is there any factual evidence to support that?
As far as i know there was case in denmark , a few years ago , of such a case.
What did he use? A splint?
I’ve been trough that but luckily with my man. Me completely coma and if there wouldn’t be for a home made video how he rides me, me lying on my back I would never believe it. So technically it can happen.
Any chance you can post this video online? *drool*
What are we talking about here? whether a man can get an erection while unconscious or whether he could be raped while unconscious?
In terms of erections whilst unconscious – how bout the ‘evidence’ that most men get erections in their sleep….
A woman cannot “force herself on a man” for the simple reason that the man would be required to have an erection, and this would indicate sexual arousal and in the eyes of the law that he demonstrated consent in the act.
Don’t be so bloody stupid.
Thats actually not true – nor legally true
Its one of the many myths that have been historically propagated which this ad is trying to overturn by the sound of it…
Of COURSE a man might be able to get an erection and be raped in that sense. Thats assuming that men have total conscious control over when and how they get erections – we all know thats not true…
Who do real men get raped by? Real men.
Real men eh? As op posed to limp wristed poofs who are not real men and deserve it. Well this must be the most anti gay article I have read on this sure and now I question it’s credibility
How is it anti gay?
No-where does it say anyone deserves it
The whole tone is wrong. If you got raped and told no one this ad implies you’re weak. Therefore compounding the sense of shame and weakness it’s amateur rubbish
I get what you’re saying.
I was raped and it took me a lot of confidence to be able to tell anyone about it.
I do think that there is a converse to the message that its reassuring to some people and may encourage others to come forward.
Additionally, the campaign (and the article willingly goes along with this) insinuates that the fear of being perceived as gay if you report being sexually assaulted is legitimate (which, unfortunately, it can be). But instead of questioning that notion, i.e. challenging homophobia, the campaign, to some extent, simply excuses it. I mean, what if you are gay and sexually assaulted? This campaign might actually alienate you even further.
Youre confusing the headline of this article with the ACTUAL headline of the Ad itself.
I grant you that Pink News should have used the whole Ad headline rather than that abbreviation but you really do have to READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE BEFORE JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS, YOUNG SKYWALKER….
‘The review recognised that men do not come forward for fear of being ridiculed or not believed and out of fear they may be seen as gay.’
So yet another social problem would be solved or mitigated if homophobia were erradicated. What a surprise.
Who exactly are the perpetrators of these so called rapes of males? Why aren’t they being identified in terms of their orientation and type of males they are? I think the majority of straight males wouldn’t agree that men can be raped unless they’re gay of course. Immediately I saw this, I thought this was directed at gay men. It may not be homophobic but the first thing I thought of was gay men..
I can imagine the chorus of “backs to the wall, lads” more now .
what you mean ‘type of males’ or that they should be addressing their ‘orientation’….!?
This is COMPLETE AND UTTER NONSENSE
Orientation is not a major issue for rapists. Rape is about power not sex.
Probably should have been worded a little differently, sounds sorta like its promoting rape. real men get raped (If you want to be a real man, get raped)
Well “Real men could get buggered” doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.
Yes I agree, clm
Rather poorly worded, but the idea is a good one.
I once heard of a man raping another man in a homophobic attack. If the rapist was genuinely straight then he wouldn’t have been able to ‘get it up’. Maybe it shows that many homophobic incidents are carried out by self-loathing gays who couldn’t come to terms with their sexuality.
” If the rapist was genuinely straight then he wouldn’t have been able to ‘get it up”
What a load of nonsense. I agree that there would be some cases in which homophobic attacks are motivated by the attacker’s closeted homosexuality, but that is not to say that all male rapists must be homosexual. Rape is about violence not sex, sexual attraction has nothing to do with it.
Rape is not the same as having sex with someone.
Don’t be such a prat. A gay man can rape a woman, but that doesn’t make him straight.
Sexuality is a psychological imprint, and as most of us know, cannot be changed, however, there are many cases of men having sex with men (such as prisons, on ships etc.) where men will have sex with other men because there is no alternative. Once this situation changes they go back to going with women. It doesn’t make them gay, or even bisexual, it simply means they are hard up.
I can’t believe that a bunch of gay men could be so woefully uninformed on the subject of their own experience of erections!
I am surprised at this comment from you. You are usually well informed and thoughtful.
Orientation is not an issue in most rapes. Its about the thrill of having power over someone and using sex to do that. The fact the victim is the same gender or oppositie gender sometimes is irrelevant – its about controlling. So a gay man can rape a woman. A straight man can rape a man. It doesnt change their orientation though.
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Lets keep in mind rape needn’t be just for sexual pleasure , it’s an act of violence and sometimes rage to dominate .
That being said I think this campaign has a decent message trying to console men with too much ego .
I just wish it they would have made a caption with something along the lines of “Men get raped, Wake up ” Or something rather than “Real” men which gives the feeling of men who aren’t into being all rugged and overtly macho just asking for it. But I guess this message just is an eye opener to the general public who don’t think this far into it .
By the same proviso could somebody demonstrate what a “non-real man” is and how you would define such a person? I think by using a description like like one is seriously painting oneself into a very nasty corner.
I agree. I personally consider a real man to be anyone who identifies as male and not something which should be determined by anything more extrinsic than that! Taking that on board, it seems rather pointless to use the word real in the first place. Though I do think a lot of rape misconceptions come from old fashioned gender dominance ideology. Though I don’t agree with the word ‘real’ in that context, I think maybe the advertisers are simply using it ironically in order to capture the attention of the target audience in hope of bringing about a change in their attitudes.
This isn’t a warning.There is a weird belief amongst straight men that they cannot be raped, because “real men don’t get raped” – i.e. they should be able to fight it off and because they aren’t effeminate or gay they wouldn’t be targets in the first place. And so when someone actually does get raped – because rape is about power and dominance and not sex, meaning literally anyone is a target – all those assumptions they had before hold them back from reporting it because they think everyone else holds those assumptions and will see them as weak and pathetic or gay (gasp!). They see themselves as weak, defeated, emasculated, ashamed, and they believe that that’s how the world will see them too. The poster is designed to show people that those assumptions are not true, it can and does happen and it doesn’t make you less of a man. As such, the thing is about the victims of rape and I’d say it’s a good thing.
I may be wrong but some of these comments seem to reflect society’s misconceptions and stereotypes surrounding the issue of rape. Again I may be wrong but old fashioned gender dominance ideology may be to blame for this.
Anyone can get raped. Sexually assaulting someone does not have to involve penetration. Rape in any form should be taken SERIOUSLY!
Regarding the article: I’m not entirely sure what a real man is. Although I agree with the advertiser’s motives, I think their choice of words is questionable. Then again those words do kind of address people with that old fashioned male dominance attitude.
Sorry, but rape is defined as non-consenting penetration:
Under section 1(1) SOA 2003 a defendant, A, is guilty of rape if:
A intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of B (the complainant) with his penis;
B does not consent to the penetration; and,
A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
Well then, I disagree with section 1(1) SOA 2003.
Nonetheless a man still has an anus, mouth and plenty of other body parts. My comment still stands! Sexual assault whether that is rape or otherwise is a serious matter whoever the victim.
The law is correct in terms of defining rape as a penetrative action.
There are other sexual assaults, some of them serious, which can occur without penetration by penis.
At first glance when I saw this I thought this was actually promoting rape before I re-read it. Then I came to the next conclusion that it compounds the stereotype against homosexual men. It doesn’t explicity say anything homophobic, that it relies of existing stereotypes by joining the words real and men that it implies they are greater victims than less real men and/or gay men aren’t real men because otherwise why would real men not say anything in fear of being gay.
I don’t just thing it’s word badly, I truly thing it should be pulled. I find it quite offensive and I don’t care that the shock tactic may at least get some people talking. I think it will in the end make it about straight men being raped and gay men being raped as less equal as a way of targeting its straight audience.
Can Pink News please change the heading of this article. Its woefully misleading and twists the actual headline of the ad itself.
Please amend. Thanks