Problem is, if the law passes (and all evidence say that it should) I believe that it is not going to cause immediate change. If I understand right (and I’ll concede at once if I have misinterpreted) they are leaving room for a referendum in November by not having the new rights kick in until Jan 2013. This is because it is harder to take away rights after they have been granted. So while a step in the right direct, it isn’t a certainty and we’ll have to wait and see if a referendum is proposed.
The referendum WILL be a reality. Make no mistake about that. The bigot haters, especially those in the religious cults will make sure of that. Mob rule is now the way to govern in some American states. Thankfully, we don’t have such a disgusting anti-human rights system in the U.K. So much for the land of the “free”.
Quite, Robert. You can bet the bigots won’t settle until they have their own way regardless of if a referendum agree to this move.
A cautious cheer for Maryland. Too bad about the stupid amendment they had to include to get it passed.
Meanwhile the Republican Governor of New Jersey, as expected, has vetoed similar legislation in that state.
The chubby twunt thinks that he might be up for a VP slot on the ticket. There was no way he could do anything but veto if he wanted to appeal to the christo-fascist dimwit running.
What a wonderful state of affairs. The personal ambitions of one man have (temporarily) killed off equal rights for his own state’s citizens? I seriously hope he is passed over for VP nomination (doesn’t matter anyway, the Republicans haven’t a hope in hell of winning) and then is thrown out by the voters of New Jersey next year. This man should be allowed nowhere near frontline politics.
Well, Christie is particularly vile, and has some massive ethics issues hanging over him. I am not at all surprised that he did this as the first person he serves is himself. Then the party. Then everyone else.
A classic, republican trait! It’s in their DNA, devolved brains.
Reminds me of George Wallace..
….and we know how fondly he is thought of these days — when people even think about him. The trash bin of history’s losers is going to get very crowded.
It’s already been vetoed as of yesterday. The bigot is eyeing the 2016 Presidential race in South Carolina. He’s going nowhere. He’s already alienated the younger generation and has no wide appeal among them after yesteday’s vile veto for bigotry. I hope someone somwhere finds some real dirt on this monstrosity of a subhuman.
A veto that is clearly a vote for bigotry, loud and clear. He’s had the nerve to appoint an ombudsman to investigate compliance with the Civil Union law. Apparently, a number of gay couples are being discriminated in the delivery of goods and services which is what brought the marriage equality bill to the legislature in the first place. Christie echoes what many in the Tory and Labour party believed, that second class citizenship is sufficient as long as rights are identical to marriage without the name. Clearly, they’ve not worked in New Jersey and elsewhere. Even discrimination against one couple in a civil unions is one too many.
Great! So if two woman want to get married now, no problem. But if they go to a McDonald’s, and one or both are transgender, they still have to be approved or forbidden by the manager to use the restroom.
Progress is being made thats for sure. It’s good to see. However if Governer Martin O’Mailey campaigned in 2010 for a second term with the promise to work toward enacting marriage equality surely the people of Maryland have already spoken. So why the referendum?
Anyway here’s hoping.
Because mob rule is permitted in some of the states, actually against the 14th amendment of the constitution wherein the rights of the minority must be guaranteed and protected. It’s a strange system they have over there, hardly democratic if rights can be taken away once passed by the representatives of the people who elected them.
Hardly democratic indeed, In fact it make a mockery of democracy.
”The new bill is reported to contain carefully-worded protections for religious bodies who do not want to conduct marriage ceremonies between gay couples.”
I wonder if there is a paragraph on not marrying black people either, and fat people, and divorced people… I mean surely there should be? If you have a genuine religious belief that protects your right to be homophobic, then why not racist?
…. Oh wait, no because it’s not acceptable to be racist, but it’s fine to be homophobic, sorry I completley forgot! ¬.¬
I really do feel like starting my own church and refusing to marry black people to bring attention to the stupidity of discriminaton of any kind!
“We need to call people to that goodness.” Good luck with that then, as America and goodness were divorced some years ago. This bill will sink, sink, sink (for fear of god smoting it). Not until more atheists are voted into the senate will America be anything like the democracy it claims to be to the rest of the world.
It seems to my mind that american politics are morally corrupt – without god they don’t know what they stand for. Oh wait, money… they worship money.
The potential for atheists being voted into office is pretty slim! Ron Reagan son of former President and at one time a political analyst talk-host “said” he would never run for political office because not only were his views liberal he was an atheist to boot… and America never elects atheists!
In the last week three States have passed gay marriage bills, Washington, New Jersey, and now Maryland.
This is good news and momentum is gaining pace! In reality it’s discouraging hopes are dashed each time, reading that the democratic process can now have a chance to derail it.
90-120 days or until 2013 before it becomes law, or the Governor can veto. In the worst case scenario there exist the potential to vote a State constitution ban on same sex marriage before it becomes law.
Eventually Marriage will be possible, but is it necessary to give hope and then dash it with Prop 8 scenario’s and court challenges for years after a bill passes.
When and if each bill finally passes and you can marry, the final insult is that the Federal government does recognize same sex marriages. how discouraging is that?
Not forgetting DOMA discrimination!
I appreciate living in Canada where the government tabled the motion, passed it and gay marriage was nationwide. It was a done deal.
When and if each bill finally passes and you can marry, the final insult is that the Federal government does “NOT” recognize same sex marriages. how discouraging is that?
Steve, it’s a lot easier to pass legislation such as same-sex marriage in countries where parliamentary systems are the form of government, in fact most of them in the western world use this system. Vetoing legislation is a rarity in all of them. The U.S. does not have a parliamentary system or central government. Therein lies the problem. In the UK, the monarch has the power to veto legislation by refusing to sign it into law, but the current monarch has never exercised that right for any piece of legislation but that has never happened. Marriage equality won’t be vetoed either. I think it’s going to take a lot longer in the U.S. before same-sex marriage is legal in all states, longer than say in the remaining EU countries. I think over the next five years, aside from the UK, we’ll see France, Germany, Luxembourg and Finland on board. Denmark I believe legalises it shortly.
Robert, very true that the US system with it’s Houses and Senates is a vast contrast to that of the Westminster system.
The US system will I suspect unfortunately result in hold out States long into the future.
With regard to the veto of ER 2, I am now trying to recollect my UK history teachings re the veto. Despite having the power, discretion I recall is not to exercise it. In periods of terse relations? between Wilson – Heath or Thatcher? Using the veto the Queen would be seen to compromise guidance of the monarch by the PM/Government. making the monarch no longer impartial/neutral in political policy, or compromise government proceedure potentially destabilize the party in power.
As such I only recall some history teachings speculating it was unlikely ER 2 would veto?
By contrast however, I understand there is concern that if Charles had this discretion it would perhaps have far reaching consequences and concern to the government.
(sorry deviated topic, curious)
Maryland is to be commended and a good good govenor in support with human rights and equality is always honorable, and a high mark for humanity for omaiely , unlike the disgrace and shame governor of jersey , The people must have honoble officials, who are not weak to clubs and clicks of bigotry and wrong doing to the nation and its citizens, they must be able to stand up against wrongs of the citizens human rights on their own and focus on the lives and well being of all familes, fairness , equality , GOODWILL MEASURMENTS , FOR THE PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES THEY MUST BE THE FOCUS, NOT WICKED PERSONAL AGENDAS OF ABUSES AND MISTREATMENT OF THEIR FAMILIES, RESPECT , LOVE AND KINDNESS COURTESY, MUST FOLLOW THIS FOUNDATION, IN ORDER TO HAVE A CIVILIZED STABLE WORLD , WHICH IS NOW MONSTERS OF TERRORISTSM , BECAUSE OF HATEMONGERING WICKED DEMONS EBEDDED IN OUR SOCIETY, WITH NO EMPATHY AND SYMPATHY FOR THE PLIGHTS AND ATROCITIES OF THIS NATIONS, CHILDREN HAS LOST THEIR LIVES IN SUICIE
WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO LOVE PEOPLE ALL PEOPLE EXCEPT THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO KILL AND MURDER AND RAPE YOUR FAMILIES, THESE ARE BAD EVIL PEOPLES THE SEXTRAFFICKER OF CHILDREN, THE RAPEST, THE PEDEPHLE, THE MONSTERS OF HATE KLANS, WHO ABUSE AND DO ALL OF THESE THINGS , MILLIONS OF CHILDREN AND WOMEN ARE RAPED AND MURDERED EVERY DAY BY NO ONE BUT HETERSEXUAL MEN AND SOME HETERSEXUAL WOMEN ACCOMPLISES , NO ONE ESLE DOES ALL OF THE EVIL THINGS EXCEPT HETERSEXUALS 99% THIS IS THE FOCUS, THE DEFAMATIONS OF THE GAY COMMUNITY, ARE DISTRACTIONS BY THE WICKED HETERSEXUALS TO TRY AND HIDE THEIR EVILS THEY ARE COMMITING EVERYDAY, THE MEN ARE KILLING AND MURDERING THEIR WIVES AND CHILDREN, RAPING THEM ARE SOME BODY ELSES WIFE AND CHILD EVERYDAY, THIS IS NO GAME, HETERSEXUAL VIOLENT DANGEROUS FAMIIES, AND LIVES, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE HETERO SEXUAL MAN, SO DEFAMATORS AND HATERS ACTING OUT HATE ATTACKS MUST BE REPRIMANDED AND ARRESTED AND FIRED FROM THE POSITIONS AND RELPLACED BY CIVILIZED PEOPLE
BILL MAHR, IS RIGHT ABOUT THE GOVERNOR CHRISTY BEING A DISGRACE TO THEIR STATE AND HE IS RIGHT THE GOVERNOR HAS GIVEN THEIR STATE A VERY BAD REPUTATION , HE HAS WORSENED THE TOWNS REPUTATION WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE LIKE THE HONORABLE GOVENOR GREGORIE, WHO MADE HISTORY AND HAS ACCOLADES ALL OVER AND PRAISES FOR HER STATE HUMANITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS STAND, THIS IS WHY THAT BILL MAHR, MUST PUT HIS SHOW AND TIME TOGETHER WITH GLAAD AND OHTERS AND GET THE VOTES AND OVERTURN THIS WICKED MANS SHAMEFUL EVILS, BIGOTRY, HE IS NOT GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE AND CITIZENS OF ALL COLORS AND GENDERS AND THEIR FAMILIES, HE IS UNHEALTHY FOR PEACE KEEPING MEASURES AND GOODWILL MEASURES TO THEIR FAMIIES, AND TO THE BUSINESS FOUNDATIONS, THIER, YOU GET HIM OUT, AND HAVE HIM RESIGN, AND YOU PUT IN PLACE A GOOD HONORABLE GOVENOR LIKE GREGORIE, A GOOD OFFICIAL MUST DO THE RIGHT THING ON BEHALF OF HUMAN RIGHTS , REGARDLESS OF WETHER THEIR AFFILIATES OR CLICKS OR CLUBS DONT LIKE IT, YOU ARE ELECTED TO RIGHT BY PEOPLE
oUR WICKED NATION is filled with atrosities because of bigotry from history mostly everyone who is of age knows what they did and do is all wrong, and evil, i have college kids stand up in class and denounce their bigoted white famiies, who they found out where klan, they wanted no part in the evils they have commited, thats why, some have changed today, my freind did the same thing, you dont have an escuse for allowing yourselft to be brainwashed after you get of age . you know its wrong to discriminate, and harrass and abuse others, you set yourself apart and joing peaceful organizations that are for peace an human rights, goodwill, if you continue to run with abusers and bigots you will continue to be an abuser and a bigot as well because you condone it, and you stink like the same evil they do. you could tell others and warn them about the organization to keep them and their famiies also from being hurt, a republican high profile tory denounced the religous hate group of republic
The republican man who was once a head bigot for the party and hate bad religous right, told the news that there just is not any justifacation for our bigotry nor our hate, no justifications in it, nothing right about it , and no escuse do wie have for it,, he said i denounce the hate religions now and willl become a human rights advocate an march on equality and fairness like all of us should, trying to undermine and harm others , because of others jealousy and malice and spite is all we did it for, we where conditioned by other bad racist and bigots to believe their lies and bull shilt, and to help them form their evil deeds towards others, the only bad people here are the maliced , spiteful hetersexual bigots, he said, we where the monsters abusing others and trying to lie to others about our evil deeds that are no justifiable, hate and bigotry cannot be justified, they are the crime GOVERNOR CHRISTY HAS COMMITED A HATE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY AN HUMAN RIGHTS AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT
gOVERNOR CHRISTY, IN JERSY HAD THE CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT IN HISTORY , RIGHTING WRONGS, MAKING A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR GOOD MEASURES FOR EQUALITY, AND FAIRNESS , HE CANNOT BLAME ANYONE BUT HIMSELF AND TRYING TO BROWN NOSE OTHER REPUBLICANS WHO REALLY DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT HIM , HIS IS JUST A PLOY , HE FAILED WITH AND FOR THE PEOPLE AND FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, HE MUST NOT BE REELECTED ANYWHERE, BILL MAHR, MUST GET WITH HIS HOME TOWN AND GET HIM OUT OF THAT GOVERNORS SEAT, AND PLACE A HUMAN RIGHTS OFFICAL IN THEIR THAT WILL BUILD THE REPUTATION OF THE TOWN BACK UP AND THE PEOPLE TRUST AS A GOODWILL AMBASSADOR, ACTION MUST BE TAKEN NOW, YOU STOP LETTING BAD OFFICIAL RUIN THE REPUTATION OF EACH STATE IN WRONG DOING OF THE PEOPLE, THEY A
eRIC hOLDER , AND HUMAN RIGHTS JUDGES MUST CONTINUE TO OVERHAUL BAD LAWS AND CORRUPT AND ABUSIVE LAWS NOT STATE, UNCOVERED ABUSIVE HUMAN RIGHTS AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF OTHERS, THE WICKED WHITE PEOPLE IN HISTORY HAD TO CHANGE SOME LAWS THAT ABUSED ALL COLORS OF WOMENS RIGHTS AND MINORITIES RIGHTS, THEY KNEW THEY WERE CORRUPT WHEN THEY WROTE THEM, THEY WHERE THE KKK KLAN, WHO KILLED AND RAPED MINORITES, DID YOU THINK THEY WHERE GOING TO RIGHT THE REAL FAIR LAWS THAT WOULD HAVE THEM ARRESTED FOR DOING SO , SO THEY CORRUPTED THE SYSTEM IN ORDER TO GET AWAY WITH EVIL, THEY KNEW WAS WRONG, UNTIL ABRAHAM LINCO;N AND OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS WHO HAD A CONSCIENCE STEPPED IN AND SAID WE ARE MONSTERS AND HAVE BEEN ABUSING WOMEN OF ALL COLORS AND THEIR RIGHTS AS WOMEN AND THIER VOICES, AS HUMAN BEINGS, WE HAVE DONE WRONG BY KILLING AN MURDERING WE AREMURDERS WITH NO JUSTIFICATION AND RAPPEST WITH NO JUSTIFICATIONS, OTHER THAT MALICE AN HATRED AND GREED AND OBSESSIONS FOR OTHER PEOPLE
yOU SEE THE RACIST WHERE THE BAD OLD FORNICATING BIBLE CARRYING BIGOTS LIKE THE REPUBLICANS TODAY, IN DIFFERENT COLORS, LYING TO EVERYBODY, DOING ALL THE WRONG, TRYING TO KEEP OTHERS FROM GETTING ALONG, THE LAWS WHERE WRONG BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHERE WRONG, THEY TRIED TO MAKE LAWS TO KEEP MIXED MARRIAGE FROM HAPPENING, TELLING PEOPLE WE WHITE PEOPLE WANT TO RAPE AND MOLEST ALL YOU COLORED PEOPLE , BUT WE WANT TO KILL YALL COLORED MEN IF YOU MARRY WHITE WOMEN THE RIGHT WAY, WE THIS WAS AN EVIL AND WRONGFUL LAW MADE BY BIGGOTED WHITE MEN, WHO WHERE HIPPOCRITES WHO RAPED AND KILLED AND YOUNG AND OLD COLORED WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND KILLED THEIR HUSBANDS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO POSSESS THE COLORED WOMEN FOR THEMSELVES, EVIL PEOPLE DOING AS EVIL DOES , EVIL, THEY KNEW THEY WHERE IF , STILL ARE, THEY KNEW THEY HAD KNOW RIGHT TO TRY AND KEEP ADULTS IN LOVE FROM BEING MARRIED, THE DISCRIMIATED FOR SKIN COLOR, AND TRIED TO HARM THEIR RELATIONSHIPS THE SAME AS THEY DO THE GAY COMMUNITY, THEY NO
YOU SEE YOU DONT PUT POWDER AND PAINT OVER EVIL, OVER RACISM AND BIGOTRY, YOU THROW THE COVERS OFF OF TO SAVE LIVES AND TO CORRECT WRONG DOINGS OF OTHERS, TO MAKE BETTER STRIDES FOR POSITIVE TOMORROWS, THE WHITE LIES , T;URNNED INTO BAMBOOZLED LIES, WHERE IS HONOR SOCIETY, ONLY IN THE HUMAN RIGHTS SOCIETY, THE ACLU, LEGAL MOMENTUMS, LAMDA LEGALS, GLAAD, PEOPLE WHO TRY AND SET THING RIGHT MAKING THEM , HAVE A CONSCEINCE OF THE EV
LISTEN, WE TIRED OF THE HIPPOCRITES, BOTHERING OTHERS WHO ARE PEACEFUL WHEN THE HETERSEXUAL HAVE EVILS A MILE LONG HAVE DONE EVERYBODY WRONG JUST LIKE IN HISTORY, THEY GOT SO MADE AT SOME OF THE GOOD PEOPLE FOR TELLING THEM YOU CANNOT CONTINUE TO TREAT THE WOMEN AND COLORS WRONG AND THE WICKED DEMONS, TRIED TO HARM OR KILL THEM, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO KEEP UP THEIR EVIL MESS ABUSING CIIIZENS AND DIDNT WANT THE WOMEN TO HAVE A VOICE, THE OFFICIALS, WHERE WRONG AND CORRUPT AND CRIMINALS , WRITING CRIMINAL CORRUPT LAWS, FOR THEIR MESS, AND EVILS, THERE ARE STILL WICKED LAWS THAT MUST BE CHANGED AND OVERTURNED THAT ARE STILL CORRUPT AND ABUSIVE TO OTHERS AND THEY KNOW IT, LISTEN UP, THE REAL MESSAIH, WAS APPROACH BY BBLE THUMPING FALSE PROPHETS AND HIPPOCRITES SAGAESEE, IN HIG SYNAGUES, TELL HIM NOW THE ONE WHO MADE THE ENTIRED HEAVENS AND EARTH NOT MANKIND, AND TOLD HIM THE MESSIAH, WE SAY US HUMANS THAT YOU SHOULD BE OUT BASHING THE PEOPLE , WHEN THE FALSE PROPHETS WERE THE ONES BAD
wHEN THE MESSIAH, FINISHED TALKING TO THE HIPPOCRITES PASTORS AND TELLING THEM ALL HE KNEW THAT THEY WHERE DOING THAT WAS NOT RIGHT, THEIR MOUTH DROPPED OPEN , INDEED, ITS YOU NOT THE PEOPLE THAT IS THE SHAME, THEN THE BAD PROPHETS TOLD THE MESIAH, WHAT ABOUT THESE RULES AND LAWS WE HAVE WRITTEN FOR THE PEOPLE , TO FOLLOW, SHOULD WE GET AFTER THEM FOR NOT DOING WHAT WE SAY,
THE MESIAH, LOOKED BACK AT THEM AND SAID I DONT CARE ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR MAN MADE LAWS, WHAT YOU HAD BETTER BE FOUND DOING IS PUTTING LOVE IN EVERYTIHING YOU DO AND TREATING PEOPLE RIGHT, ARE I AM GOING TO GET YOU AND YOUR LAWS , BECAUSE YOU ARE VILE A WRETCHED PEOPLE WHO ARE CALOUSED AND ROTTON, WITH NO CHARITY, AND HEART AND SOUL FOR OTHERS, NO EMPATHY, NO KINDNESS, AND YOU ARE NOT THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT HAS ANY BUSINESS MAKING LAWS OF ANYKIND BECAUSE THEY COME OUT WRONG AN BAD JUST LIKE YOU, EVIL, ABUSIVE, MISTREATING OTHERS, AND STILL TODAY THE SAME AND TO THEM THE SAME WORDS, THE BAD LAW MUST BE CHANGED
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