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Ken Livingstone: Tories were ‘riddled with gays’

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  1. And what about the murderously homophobic islamic cleric who is such good chums with Livingstone.

    Ken mentions hypocrisy.

    His gay friendly credentials must factor in his support for murderous homophobic extremists.

    1. Yusuf Al Qaradawi – look him up kids.

      1. Well highlighted dAVID. Until Ken comes totally clean on his friendship with this evil piece of scum,then why should the LGBT community vote him back in as Major?

    2. Spanner1960 8 Feb 2012, 10:11pm

      Livingstone is a little weasel; it’s about time he got the hell out of politics and went back to breeding newts.

    3. GingerlyColors 9 Feb 2012, 8:37am

      And he supported the IRA.

  2. Well I’m sorry Saint Ken, but please choose your words more carefully. The word “riddled” smacks of comparison of homosexuality to disease like “riddled with cancer…” and such like. Also, tell us something we didn’t know!!

    1. True.

      However his comments didn’t have homophobic intent so I wouldn’t care too much about his unfortunate choice of word.

      1. I didn’t say he is homophobic, just intimated he’s a prick!

        1. I thought that was a given.

    2. Indulging in homosexuality is another unfortunate turn of phrase, doesn’t he think before he speaks?

      1. Apparently not! His past ‘gay friendliness’ just seems… suspicious now!

        1. Staircase2 9 Feb 2012, 3:07am

          Bollocks does it…you just vote conservative and are using this as an opportunity to bash him pre election…
          Go on – admit it – you’re Boris arent you…lol

          1. I’m very much against the Tories, and I think Ken Livingstones language is not the most flattering towards us.

      2. Staircase2 10 Feb 2012, 2:24am

        Now thats a bit rich coming from you Pavlos…

  3. Stuart Neyton 8 Feb 2012, 6:23pm

    Ken couldn’t be less homophobic, and claims he is are just disingenuous.

    1. No he’s not homophobic.

      But he has a very strange way of dealing with homophobic extremists who want to kill us.

      1. ken simply cares about minorites, for him muslins and gays are on par, im sure he managed to p*ss of some muslims with his support for gay rights, now what boris did for us

        1. Which gay leader who has called for death to muslims has Ken teamed up with before then?

          Anyone?

    2. Staircase2 9 Feb 2012, 3:08am

      I found it interesting that you had three negative votes before I added a positive one.

      What kind of people are voting in that way when everything the man has ever done has been towards full equality of ALL people. He’s spent his whole life doing that…

      Things that make yer go hmmmm

  4. Ikenna David. 8 Feb 2012, 6:23pm

    Holy ken.. I to think his words should be selected more carefully..

  5. Ken was the first UK politician to stand up for lesbian and gay people and has championed LGBT rights his whole career – sparking the introduction of civil partnerships with the London partnerships register, threatening legal action against Bromley Council for their opposition to civil partnerships, tackling Westminster Council when they banned rainbow flags in Soho, developing and leading a free Pride event in central London, showing solidarity with LGBT movements across Eastern Europe when Pride marches were banned or attacked and preventative work to tackle homophobic bullying in schools and tackling anti-LGBT hate crime on the streets.

    This so-called story is taken out of context and politically driven. All Ken was saying was that despite there being lots of lesbian and gay people in the Tory party it wasn’t until the Labour Party was elected, introduced LGBT rights legislation (including overturning the hideous Section 28) and had out MPs that the Conservatives followed suit.

    1. So why the use of such poorly understood language? He’s an intelligent man and his choice of words belies his supposed intention.

      1. Because he has a Islamic gay vote to appeal to now. gays are history to him, many gay people are not automatically inclined to vote Labour any more.

        Boris 2012.

        1. An Islamic vote, not an Islamic gay vote…. in my view is contradictory.

        2. The bullyingdon gang and their resident buffoon can indulge in some ephemeral spin, but they can never distance themselves from their nasty credentials.

        3. Staircase2 10 Feb 2012, 2:26am

          What a load of complete politically led bollocks Luke…

      2. I don’t think he is actually. I think that Livingstone’s a man with fairly decent principles, but I don’t think that he’s especially bright. This case is one of the reasons why I think so.

    2. This indeed is a non-story.

      However Ken Livingstone’s links to Yusuf Al Qaradawi remains an unresolved issue.

      Why has Ken Livingstone refused to distance himself from a religious extremist who wants to kill us?

  6. I am massively offended by the way this has been written up. Ken is making the point that gay people were everywhere in the Tory party whilst they were a massively homophobic party. Ken has been the most pro gay politician in history. Pink News is clearly trying to big up Boris Johnson – a man who has compared gay relationships to bestiality.

    1. Ugandan paradise 9 Feb 2012, 10:07am

      Both are legal so what is your point? Why should you condemn those consenting animals and humans?
      Animals can consent as any dog will tell you. Which group is the highest risk of HIV and death? Homosexuals or Zoophiliacs?
      Personlly I think both practices ar disgusting but oon what basis do YOU condemn bestiality?

      1. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

        I REPEAT

        DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

  7. Awww… who’d think the homophobes in power would try to deflect their nastiness and accuse those who always defended and delivered gay rights. If they’re spinning this, something really fishy must be cooking behind the doors and on the corridors of the coalition… just look at the amount of Tory MPs supporting the homophobic bishops declarations … Alan Duncan is really quiet about that….

    1. cant stand alan duncan and his gay tory token mentality

      1. Alan Duncan is indeed a repelleny gay quisling.

        However Ken’s links with Yusuf al Qaradawi means that gay folk should be very wary about supporting Ken.

        1. Although Ken has given an explanation for the links, the Yusuf saga still hangs on. Still, his gay friendly credentials make him appear almost faultless compared to the homophobes trying to smear the Labour party.

          1. He did not however denounce the views of Yusuf Al Qaradawi – a religious extremist who supports murder for gays.

            He defends his links to Qaradawi.

            Yes Ken was ahead of his time when it comes to gay rights.

            However that was 20 years ago.

            Does he denounce Yusuf Al Qaradawi and pledge to never again have links with murderous homophobic religious extremists?

          2. He hasn’t denounced him as much as I’d like and I believe he would benefit from a clarification on this particular issue.

        2. Martin McKenna 8 Feb 2012, 10:53pm

          David you do yourself no favours by ranting on about Yusuf al Qaradawi. Bottom line, Ken is not Homophobic and has done a hell of a lot more for Gay rights than Boris or any Tory has done. Give us a break. Put on a new record..

          1. No.

            Why has Ken Livingstone repeatedly defended his links to a murderous homophobic extremist, and refuse to distance himself from him?

            His explanation was pathetic (‘Some people like him, so who cares about the gays?’

            Ken Livingstone would LOVE if we’d all forget about his links to a homophobic extremist.

            No can do, Ken. Your record from 20 years ago does not negate your horrible betrayal of the gay community through your links with Qaradawi.

            And if he slimes his way onto this website prior to the election boasting about his gay rights record from 20 years ago, then he needs to be questioned in detail about his links to al Qaradawi.

    2. Berberts, if Boris had said such comments you’d be screaming the forums down. One word for you, hypocrite.

      1. because in boris case such comment would rightly warrant condemnation, boris record on gay rights is less then appalling

        1. On gay rights Boris is scum.

          On gay rights Ken Livingstone used to be good but pissed it all away by linking himself to men who want us dead.

          There will be other candidates than those 2 reptiles.

  8. Matt Smith 8 Feb 2012, 7:06pm

    Ken obviously decided there are more votes to be gained from homophobic religious extremists to those of the LGBT community. Riddled is a very offensive word in this context and he has been in politics long enough to have planned its use carefully in advance this close to an election.

    1. Patrick Mc Crossan 8 Feb 2012, 7:42pm

      Ken is an absolute hypocrite. Labour supporters on here are in denial.
      He befriends people like Yusuf Al Qaradawi a religious extremist who wants to kill us?
      Why has Ken Livingstone if he is genuine in his LGBT credentials refused to distance himself from such a religious extremist?
      He supports Homophobic Tower Hamlets and is simply two faced.

      Over the years we have been angry at people who used the word riddled a very offensive word in this context and he has been in politics long enough to have planned its use carefully in advance this close to an election
      This so-called story is far from being taken out of context and politically driven as the words were chosen by Ken Livingstone.

      Only a die hard labour supporter with no ability to see exactly what Ken said and in denial could continue to support Ken Livingstone.

      1. Martin McKenna 8 Feb 2012, 11:00pm

        Your Tory loving response is ‘riddled’ with nonsense!!

      2. I would never vote Tory. Those bigots disgust me.

        I can’t vote for Ken Livingstone, because I am gay. And a mayor who defends his connection to a nutter who calls for my death is not a mayor I can vote for.

  9. barriejohn 8 Feb 2012, 7:37pm

    Appalling choice of words!

    1. It could be that Ken made this pronouncement to highlight the sort of language commonly used by Tory politicians. It’s nothing new and has been numerous times denounced before. That sort of language is common currency in Toryland.

  10. My fanny was riddled with crabs a couple of months ago after I caught them from a girlfriend.

    You cannot be riddled by something pleasant.

    1. Spanner1960 8 Feb 2012, 10:13pm

      “My boyfriend died of crabs.”
      “You can’t die of crabs.”
      “You can if you fcking give them to me…”

    2. Staircase2 10 Feb 2012, 2:31am

      Hypocrisy isn’t pleasant…that’s the whole point
      (nor is political point scoring by trying to paint a LGBT Rights pioneer like Ken Livingston as some kind of homophobe…)

  11. Patrick Mc Crossan 8 Feb 2012, 7:52pm

    Ken is an absolute hypocrite. Labour supporters on here are in denial.
    He befriends people like Yusuf Al Qaradawi a religious extremist who wants to kill us?
    Why has Ken Livingstone if he is genuine in his LGBT credentials refused to distance himself from such a religious extremist?
    He supports Homophobic Tower Hamlets and is simply two faced.

    Over the years we have been angry at people who used the word riddled a very offensive word in this context and he has been in politics long enough to have planned its use carefully in advance this close to an election
    This so-called story is far from being taken out of context and politically driven as the words were chosen by Ken Livingstone.

    Only a die hard labour supporter with no ability to see exactly what Ken said and in denial could continue to support Ken Livingstone.

    I’m ashamed of Ken Livingstone’s remarks and so near to an election no doubt will come his false apology.

    1. Martin McKenna 8 Feb 2012, 11:02pm

      Not you again????

  12. it would appear the the only “minorities” that Livingstone supports are the ones that will get him the most votes. The onle minority he is really interested in is himself. He’s like George Galloway of the “respect” party in that way

  13. ken has been at the forefront of fighting for lesbian and gay rights long before it became “mainstream” to do so and was attacked by the tories for many years for doing so.

    the tory party has actively opposed increasing lgbt rights and introduced such disgusting legislation as section 28. since the election of the con-dem gvt where have been any initiatives or legislation to push fwd our equality?

    boris johnson and the tories are no friends of our community and if we want to see further progress we should all be voting for ken to be mayor.

    1. J. McQueen 8 Feb 2012, 9:07pm

      Actually all the legislation that was passed such as the Civil Partnership Act, Gender Recognition Act et. al were only brought on to the British Statute book as a result of several court cases at the European Court of Human Rights, there was no pro-active incentives by the Labour party while in power.

      As for the Coalition Government we have already seen the start of a pro-active approach to the LGBT community, in firstly announcing the plan to introduce religious civil partnerships, the plan to bring in marriage equality with same sex marriage and the introduction of the Transgender Action Plan. So a lot more in 2 years in Government as opposed to 13 years of Labour and only bringing in laws because they were made to.

      1. Martin McKenna 8 Feb 2012, 11:05pm

        Selective memory mate. The Tories did NOTHING positive for Gays when they were in power for 18 years. Labour introduced loads of Gay friendly legislation. Don’t be a prick and try to claim that Labour were forced to do it? Following your logic, the Tories would have been forced. They were not, and did nothing because the Tories are the HOMOPHOBIC PARTY.

        1. Kevin McNamara (@WoollyMindedLib) 8 Feb 2012, 11:15pm

          that comment make zero sense. i don’t even know where to start… the labour party weren’t proactively pro-lgbt despite any claims to the contrary. the civil partnership legislation was very lukewarmly pursued and only because of loud rallying cries from the equality lobby and the liberal democrats – the same voices that are forcing equality forward now.

          1. While New Labour worked tirelessly to implement every legislation promised during election years (and they really did), the Tories were working exactly in the opposite direction, trying to block and undo everything, officially treating us as less than … and they’re still doing it, just not officially, but behind closed doors … and publicly on occasion to appease to their nasty voters…

    2. and what happens when Kens other frineds come along to string us all up ?, I agree with other posters about Kens words being chosen carfeully, and he is playing up to that other group whose votes he needs to become mayor, the paternal ruled voting block of the moslem community.

  14. Ken Livingstone, very quick to label any political opponent homophobic but refuses to condemn the homophobic views from his Islamic extremist supporters, especially those form tower hamlets. This is hypocrisy. Go away ken, you’re nothing but an idiot.

  15. Red Ken…..He will support anyone and anything that he thinks will win him votes! I doubt the man has a sincere bone in his body. Never have trusted him and never will

  16. Please don’t condemn him now because of his clumsy use of words. He has pioneered gay rights legislation in this country. I am uncomfortable with his relationship with Muslim bigots but this may be necessary pragmatism. We all really know that Ken isn’t homophobic.

    1. ‘Necessary pragmatism’???

      Please explain how associating with a bigot who calls for the murder of gay people can be ‘pragmatic’.

      1. are you really saying that ken is sharing yusuf ideas? if not why you would go on about it like a broken record?

        1. No of course he doesn’t share Qaradawi’s views.

          But when he sensed he could make a political gain for his own career, by linking himself to Qaradawi he gladly throw us under the bus.

          He’s an opportunist.

          He STILL defends his links to Qaradawi.

  17. Helen Wilson 8 Feb 2012, 10:06pm

    Blue or red the options for voting for a London mayor who can engage a few brain cells before speaking is very very dim!

  18. I’m often called a leftie.

    But I can’t vote for someone who has links to murderous, homophobic religious extremists.

    And while Ken was ahead of his time, on gay politics, the times have moved on.

    I want to see him denounce Yusuf Al Qaradawi and pledge to never again, knowingly have links with murderous, homophobic extremists.

    That’s reasonable I think.

  19. He was a presenter for an Iranian TV channel. Must have heard a lot of gay hate working there and maybe picked up that kind of language (“riddled with”) from his colleagues.

  20. “Riddled”? Like “riddled with woodworm or dry rot”? The term “riddled” comes with negative baggage. Your words betray you, Ken.

    1. ken’s long standing support for gay rights says otherwise

      1. Is this going to be Ken’s defence for his continued defence of and links to Yusuf Al Qaradawi:

        “Hey everyone, I was nice to you when no-one else was. Let’s forget the fact that times have moved on and my views from 20 years ago are now pretty mainstream. And let’s pretend that I don’t defend my links to a nutter who wants you murdered’

  21. Tories “indulged” in homosexuality? More than curious choice of words.

  22. Medhi Hasan, the political editor of New Statesman, is a firebrand Islamist (don’t take my word for it –Youtube him). I’m sure he’s very comfortable with terms such as ‘riddled with homosexuals’. Ken’s in good company.

    1. Rashid Karapiet 9 Feb 2012, 4:23pm

      You are condemned out of your own mouth: you clearly haven’t read a word by Mehdi Hasan (you haven’t even got his name right) and since when has Youtube – a cyberspace haven for anonymous ranters, I gather) become an arbiter of political views?

  23. Staircase2 9 Feb 2012, 3:10am

    I love Ken

    And just to clear it up ‘riddled with’ in this context clearly means ‘full of it from top to bottom’ (pun intended….lol)

    And the Tory’s are most certainly ‘full of it..’ (as are many of the contributors on this page venting ‘vile’ spleen….(we all know how much they generally do love using that Daily Mail word eh…?)

    1. Staircase2 10 Feb 2012, 2:24am

      lol Funny how 9 people have voted me down – presumably because I love Ken as opposed to because what I’m saying actually doesn’t make any sense…

      It might be truer to say that Pink News Comment boards are riddled with reactionary old right-wing bigots…(Conservative Party Gay hypocrites perhaps? lol….)

      1. I’m no Tory and I voted you down.

  24. What year are we talking about Ken?

    I think you need to get up to speed! Haven’t we moved on a bit ..

  25. ken does not need our vote. there are more Muslims than gays in London

    1. Exactly.

      And his willingness to throw us under the bus for his personal political gain means that his refrain ‘I was nice to you 20 years ago when no-one else was’ can now be utterly ignored.

      The times have changed.

      Ken’s views on gay issues are now mainstream – however his links to and continued defence of extremists who was us killed can never be mainstream. And they cannot be ignored.

  26. Perhaps none of us are really gay but just
    naughty boys and girls, like Ken and his school chums were.

  27. Vauxhall-Boy 9 Feb 2012, 9:28am

    Kens words were clumsy and wrong

    His record on gay rights speaks volumes

    I remember watching him in a comedy night at the RVT (surreal but very good) and finding him engaging, funny and charming …

    Qaradawi is a red herring in this and a separate issue

    1. “His record on gay rights speaks volumes”

      Time to change the record.

      His views from 20 years ago are now mainstream.

      Are you seriously asking that he be judged by his actions of 20 years ago instead of by his recent actions. And his recent actions have been a horrific betrayal ot the LGBT community.

      1. Vauxhall-Boy 9 Feb 2012, 6:47pm

        I wasn’t a London boy 20 years ago, so I can only rely on the history books about then. I can comment on what I hear him say in the RVT on stage 3 years ago, what he has said on LBC and what he has written. Ken is not a homophobe. An idiot for using the words he has, but not a homophobe.

  28. ‘Widespread’ may have been a better description, but Ken Livingstone comes from an age when fighting for gay rights was not for the faint hearted.

    Even today I think his robust terminology is still appropriate for the hypocritical Church of England and the vile Catholic priesthood in particular.

    1. “Ken Livingstone comes from an age when fighting for gay rights was not for the faint hearted.”

      Yet again you are asking that Livingstone be judged on his actions from 20 years ago, and not from his more recent appalling actions.

      Why has he not distanced himself from Yusuf Al Qaradawi?

      Why has he not denounced Yusuf Al Qaradawi’s murderous homophobia and pledged to never again knowingly associate himself with murderous religious extremists?

  29. TheLizzie12 9 Feb 2012, 10:01am

    Ken’s “record on gay rights”…excuse me? He NEVER worked in isolation. He had LGBT advisors. WE should get the credit, NOT him. He was responsible for facilitating. That doesn’t make him a gay icon! Personally I have never trusted him. In fact, I’d rather have that clown Boris as Mayor of London than slippery Ken.

    1. Neither Ken Livingstone nor Boris Johnson are good candidates.

      There will be other options other than those 2 muppets.

  30. Ugandan paradise. 9 Feb 2012, 10:11am

    Both are legal so what is your point? Why should you condemn those consenting animals and humans?
    Animals can consent as any dog will tell you. Which group is the highest risk of HIV and death? Homosexuals or Zoophiliacs?
    Personlly I think both practices ar disgusting but oon what basis do YOU condemn bestiality??

    1. Just p!ss off you piece of filth.

    2. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

      I REPEAT –

      DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

  31. damnedfilth 9 Feb 2012, 11:16am

    Mel R, what a lovely story! It was the highlight of my breakfast.

    Doesn’t anyone get the feeling Ken has moved on from the gays to the Muslims in order to get the blocks of votes he used to get from the gay lobby?

    I believe he saw what pandering to the Muslim “community leaders” did for george Galloway and has jumped onto the bandwagon, and tweaked some of his outbursts accordingly.

    Far easier to get 25 votes per household in a postal ballot from a Muslim house than trying to win round hard working, high tax paying gays. Outlandish?

  32. Peter Tatchell 9 Feb 2012, 1:36pm

    Ken Livingstone is not homophobic. His use of the word ‘riddled’ has to be judged in context. It was clearly not used with any homophobic intent. All parties have lots of gay & bisexual MPs, as Ken noted. He is right to state that there were many gay MPs in the Tory party, from the backbenches to the cabinet. After Labour’s victory in 1997 many gay Labour MPs came out, while gay Tories remained in the closet & continued to vote against gay equality. That’s true and Ken was right to say it.

    1. TheLizzie12 9 Feb 2012, 1:58pm

      I agree that Ken is not homophobic, but he is a high profile politician with an agenda. In order to win the LGBT vote, the black vote, etc, he has used advisors from those communities. This has benefitted those communities, in some ways, in other ways it hasn’t. I have never really trusted Ken, in fact no more than I distrust all those with a political agenda. Ken has facilitated many good initiatives in the LGBT community since the 1980s…but not without advice and support from those of us in the LGBT community. I do not want to vote for him in the next Mayor election because I want to vote for a Labour candidate who is new, fresh and exciting…but don’t worry, I shan’t waste my vote on silly Boris either.

    2. Lost straight guy 9 Feb 2012, 6:11pm

      You raise a more concerning point with your mention that it was AFTER the 1997 victory that many gay Labour MP’s came out. If they are the minority friendly party why not come out before the election?

      As for KL he is simply a politician, he only cares about minority rights in order to get votes and like most of the others from all parties actually cares very little for those he claims he is fighting for. But that in itself is the problem, by fighting for one specific minority the rest of the electorate loses out. If a fight is to be started for rights it should be for the benefit of everyone, if he fights for civil partnerships for gay couples why isn’t he putting pressure on his Muslim supporters to stop forced marriages and honour beatings? Could someone supply me with a quote of him saying if a Muslim woman wants a civil partnership with a Catholic woman then she should be free to do so without the threat of retribution? He won’t, as the block vote is too big to throw away.

  33. Peter Tatchell 9 Feb 2012, 3:25pm

    Ken is correct to suggest that in the 1980s and 90s the Conservative Party was avowedly anti-gay, while having many gay MPs. Lots of Tories opposed gay equality, despite their own homosexuality. They were hypocrites & homophobes. Ken is right to point this out.
    In recent years, the Conservative leadership has embraced gay equality, which is commendable. However, only two weeks ago it was reported that 100 Tory MPs intend to block David Cameron’s plan to end the ban on same-sex marriage. They still oppose gay equality.

  34. Ken Livingstone has always been controversial, but he is right about the Conservative party being riddled with closet cases, evil queens who did everything to prevent gay rights while having quick-in-and-out-jobs at the same time. Even now I wonder how many undercover sissies and Viagra junkies are among the 100 Tory MPs planning to block same-sex marriage.

    1. Name all the 100 Tory MPs planning on voting against gay marriage..

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