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Jewish paper’s ‘gay cure’ column provokes anger

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  1. Garry Cassell 3 Feb 2012, 5:34pm

    More rubish and stupidity from hateful people..get a bloody life..do something aside from hatred…never know you might like it and begin to live like normal people…

  2. I’m glad that this debate is occurring within the Jewish community and that those who believe that being gay is in need of a cure are having their ideas confronted from within their own ranks. It does however sadden me that this conversation is even happening in the year 5772. You’d think that after all those millennia the message may well have sunk in.

    1. It’s just sad that people here like yourself didn’t actually read the article where Wachmann writes, “The choice of whether someone wants to be cured of any condition should be the patient’s.”

      1. @Greg

        So if a patient reads somewhere that the cure for epilepsy is to drink a bottle of concentrated sulphuric acid, would you recommend it?

        Thats the correlary of the caustic and damaging level (psychologically) of reparative therapy …

        A clinician should seek to do no harm … a moral clinician or counsellor could never condone or support reparative therapy whether or not it is the patients “choice” …

        Patient choice requires that choice to be made on an informed basis … knowing the risks and dangers … How many times do reparaitive therapists detail the risk of suicide, self harm and psychological damage as a result reparative “therapy” – none I suspect …

        1. How many people do you know that have been cured with sulfuric acid? And yet I personally know people that have attended reparative therapy, and are now happily married.

          It might not be appropriate for many gays, but there is little evidence to suggest that it is anywhere as dangerous as your claims about it suggest.

          The author is not recommending it, she is advocating that it at least be considered an option for people that CHOOSE it.

          1. Ben Foster 5 Feb 2012, 9:35am

            ~Funny how we hear from people who ‘personally know’ ex-gays but never from the ex-gays themselves. This is one big lie that is sucking in vulnerable and suggestable people.

          2. Is that George Rekers happily married?
            As a gay cure pioneer slash campaigner slash psychiatrist I couldn’t possibly imagine he would, [just picking a random example off the top of my head] be photographed at Miami International airport with a rent boy hired off a subscription only male escort website to help him “lift his luggage” on a fortnight’s holiday to Europe.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Rekers
            http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8665812.stm

            I mean that would pretty much destroy any credibility his gay cures ever had, wouldn’t it?

          3. @Greg

            It was not a literal example, but I do know patients who have drunk poisons believing it would be a cure for their condition.

            I also know people who have engaged in reparative therapy and been seriously psychologically damaged and scarred.

            A quote from the British Medical Association “Sexuality is such a fundamental part of who a person is, that attempts to change it just result in significant confusion, depression and even suicide. You can’t just wish away same-sex attraction no matter how inconvenient it might be. Therapy is this area has been shown to be dangerous and damaging to the individual and we do not condone or support it.”

            I would not endorse a choice to heal anyone from something clincians see as dangerous. A clincian should seek to do no harm.

            In any event homosexuality is not an illness.

          4. “but there is little evidence to suggest that it is anywhere as dangerous as your claims about it suggest.”

            Really?

            Then you do not know what you’re talking about about.

            Why would any medical practitioner try to “fix” what is not a flaw, and instead focus more on improving the individual’s self worth and self acceptance despite the nonsense being peddled by backward cretins in society like you Greg.

      2. ““The choice of whether someone wants to be cured of any condition should be the patient’s.””

        So, if they want to be cured of having two hands, or the fact they can walk, is that okay to cut off their legs and arms?

        Your argument is critically and logically flawed.

        1. To use a recent example, Michael Jackson thought an overdose of horse tranquelisers would sort out his insomnia.
          The jury decided his doctor broke the hypocratic oath by administering them on demand, even though Jackson himself requested them.

          1. Agreed Flapjack.

            What’s really going on here is Greg thinks being gay is an illness that needs cured, he’s not interested in the scientific relativity, and hence his stance is bordering on ludicrous. He’s doing the classic fallacy argument of making his bigotry sound in some semblance of being a “choice” he’s offering the “poor gays”.

        2. Where is the acceptance by Dr Conrad Murray or the charlatan “therapists” who practice reparative “therapy” or others that could be listed – of the general starting principle of clinical care – do no harm ….?

      3. That is, if there is a cure….Whats the cure for being Jewish, Black or Autistic?

  3. I am Jewish and i am shocked about this. I would like to point out though, that most Jews i know (and i know many) do not have a problem with gays. Even alot of the Orthodox Jews are okay with gay people. You will always get idiots in every religion who says dangerous and quite frankly silly things. I am glad this piece has been condemned.

  4. Glad to see members of the Jewish community denouncing this. All religions preach homophobia though. If any religion had total control over policy, we’d all be exterminated.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 3 Feb 2012, 6:20pm

      Not all. The United Church of Christ, Universalist Unitarians and the Quakers don’t, nor does liberal/reform and reconstructionist Judaism. Using the love the sinner and hating the sin nonsense, a habit of the Roman Catholic, Anglican and Evangelical denominations serves only to make them appear as if they’re not homophobic. The fact that they insist on our celibacy is nothing more than homophobic, unnatural and wanting to ban us from same-sex civil marriage, evidence of the fact.

      1. Yes, we all know there are many denominations of the same original delusion of religion. I just don’t see how anybody who believes in an imaginary being & scriptures, written by control freaks thousands of years ago, should decide whether we get married or not. It isn’t just about churches, it’s about the use of the term ‘marriage’ anywhere for gay couples, in registry offices too, & the protests are mainly from religions.

        Yes, there are modern variations of religion & some are more open minded. But remember the very same religions used to burn gay people at the stake. That was the point I was trying to make. That if they still had the control they had then, we wouldn’t even exist, unless we hid away & pretended not to be gay. And let’s face it, gay people used to hide in nunneries & monasteries; ‘I can’t be gay so I might as well be celibate & hide in the church’ etc.

        The church has no say in my life, NONE. Gay marriage shouldn’t even be open to discussion. Equal rights for all.

  5. Wachmann might have had a point *if* homosexuality was an illness – it is NOT …

    If its not an illness or injury – then there is nothing to cure …

    The only thing that appears to need curing in this debate is Wachmanns bigotry and hatred

  6. Rabbi Mark Solomon covers all the bases, and he makes perfect sense to me.

    Still, I was surprised to see him admit that homophobia was introduced by the Jewish tradition.

    Homophobia – that’s what needs to be cured a.s.a.p.

  7. Yes Doreen, because abortion and euthanasia are almost exactly the same argument as whether people should try and suppress their sexual longings.

    No logic whatsoever, just pure nonsense.

  8. Ikenna David. 3 Feb 2012, 7:33pm

    Mark solomon was right on that one.. Homophobia has its root from jews tradition.. Of which barrister Moses and Gen.Paul are the obvious proponents, writing uselesslly and pointing to God as the one who authorised them .. Crazy old bigots are just having an opinion afterall..

    1. Can you stop bashing my religion please! There are some religions older than Judiasm who started homophobia.Alot of Hindus arent exactly gay friendly! Please learn about religion before you comment on things!

      1. It’s slightly weird too, considering that fundamentalist ‘Christians’ are intent on converting Jews to their own twisted take on Christianity too eg the misnamed “Jews for Jesus” cult…

      2. Paddyswurds 3 Feb 2012, 9:05pm

        @Robbie….
        ….”Can you stop bashing my religion please!” …….
        Emmm, just what exactly have you done to stop your and religion in general from bashing Gay people, who by the way are supposedly made in your gods likeness by that same god him/her/itself according to your “holy” book of fables compiled from oral tradition of fearful ignorant desert tribal elders in the deserts thousands of years ago. just exactly what does that fantasy to do with modern humans in the twenty first century. Absolutely nothing that’s what.

        1. Paddyswurds 4 Feb 2012, 5:44pm

          @Robbie….
          ….”Can you stop bashing my religion please!” …….
          Emmm, Just what exactly have you done to stop your, and religion in general, from bashing Gay people, who by the way are supposedly made in your gods likeness by that same god him/her/itself according to your “holy” book of fables, compiled from oral tradition of fearful ignorant, tribal elders in the deserts of Palestine thousands of years ago. Just exactly what does that fantasy have to do with modern humans in the twenty first century.
          Absolutely nothing is what……..
          (The original above was so full of typos I just had to fix it)

      3. Robbie –

        It was Rabbi Solomon who said;

        “It is Jewish tradition that was infected, millennia ago, with the sickness of homophobia.”

        Unless I’m mistaken, homophobia was introduced by the priesthood when the Hebrews returned to Judah from the Captivity and sought to rid their cult of Babylonian goddess worship that involved ritual same-sex anal penetration.

        It’s not a question of bashing your religion as it is today; it’s an important event in gay history.

      4. “Please learn about religion before you comment on things!”

        How incredibly ironic that YOU should say this just ONE SENTENCE after making and incredibly ignorant statement about a religion you know nothing about! Hinduism, like Buddhism, has NO anti-gay scriptures or original teachings. NONE! Modern Hindus have become homophobic because of centuries of homophobic influences from their Christian (British) and Muslim occupiers. And where did the Christians and the Muslims get their homophobic scriptures and teachings? That’s right, from their Hebrew/Torah fore-bearers.

  9. Marco Luxe 3 Feb 2012, 8:30pm

    Oh what planet does this woman live? She states: western society screams that if you have any homosexual tendencies whatsoever you should “come out”, be proud of your lifestyle, parade it in the streets and indulge every whim. In contrast, on my planet, this is exactly the opposite of reality. Western society screams that if you have any HETEROSEXUAL tendencies whatsoever, you should parade your lifestyle…in the press, TV, advertising, literature, schools, clubs and churches. Everywhere you look and listen, heterosexuality is omnipresent. That is exactly why gay boys and girls are wishing themselves out of existence with drugs, alcohol and destructive behaviors including suicide.

    Doreen, may Gd bless you with many grandchildren, some of whom are gay.

    1. yea…we are constantly bombarded by the heterosexual myth… :(

  10. Paddyswurds 3 Feb 2012, 9:47pm

    Its not an awful long time since a certain personage unnamed suggested that Jewishness could and should be cured, even eradicated. It is sad that no we have a Jewish writer advocating the eradication of homosexuality. Ironically the same person who advocated eradicating Jews from the planet, also proposed the eradication of Homosexuals. I wonder if Doreen Wachmann considered that when writing her shameful column……..

  11. Religious people are very, very stupid and cruel.

  12. Doreen Wachmann, the Jewish Jan Moir?

    1. Who?

      1. Paddyswurds 4 Feb 2012, 5:48pm

        Jan Moir is the ignorant bint from the Daily Wail who wrote the shameful piece about the late Stephen Gately from Boyzone.

    2. There’s m ore of a Melanie Phillips-ness about her …

    3. Shes an aging bored insignificant Jewish woman in a dwindling community that cannot find anyone more intelligent to write a column in their local paper… Few Jewish people outside of Manchester of Glasgow have EVER heard of her and certainly even fewer Non Jews……

  13. Claims that Judaism is primordially homophobic are questionable. Neither Judaism nor Christianity showed much interest in the matter before the High Middle Ages as far as I’m aware, and it is telling that the Pagan Romans, who were both antisemitic and homofriendly, ridiculed the Jews for all sorts of things but not their sexual attitudes.

    1. That is debatable though.

      At the risk of sounding pedantic, and according to current gay studies, the ascetic influence of Stoicism and neo-Platonism on early Church doctrine has been understated even by prominent gay scholars such as John Boswell.

      While it is documented that the majority of Christians up to the High Middle Ages did ignore the homophobic teachings of Paul, Chrysostom, Jerome, Augustine, Philo, etc., the orthodox minority held fast, as they still do, to the belief that procreation is the only natural purpose of human sexuality.

      Traces of orthodoxy are found throughout the Dark Ages and beyond, but since there was neither a centralized authority in the Church nor a powerful means of enforcing homophobic doctrines, same-sex relationships were common at all levels of society as you say.

      Arguably then, there was never a time in the history of the Catholic Church when homophobia, a mental illness spawned in Scriptures – as Rabbi Solomon asserts – was non-existent.

  14. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 11:43am

    The demons of evil are the most ruthless an most dangerous in the religious orders calling themselves gods and the aclu must ban the word in every country an the ;us , there is no hu;man gods, just in;humane beasts, with ego problems, greed to wickedness, against others, all of the mega ministries, on tv, almost all are linked to this wicked god person occult group the same ministries if you look them up have had massave investigations an task force actions against them for abusing their congregations mentally or physically or sexually, th;ey are tied into the republicans hate political groups, and to the terrorist african countries and into the terrorist abuses of the jewish an muslim countries, all the same wicked abusive orders of A malice terrrorist God, of h;uman disfunction , all of these groups or hate groups an abusers of women , children , an the lgbt an other astrocities, The united states human rights organizations governor gregorie, an her honor ability, move forward

  15. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 12:17pm

    This nation had better wake up , all of these false prophets, and hate klans, are about one thing and one thing only , and that is to destroy , to try and possess power to destroy , to constrive pollutins, and toxic evils in our society that destroy, pay attentions, the names god and jesus, and of false prophet names that men and women are using as secret code forms that are launching major ;under the table assaults and atrsocities, against children and women, and others, the one man using the name of god is TD jakes on tv, the other woman, using the name God is Juanita bynum from tv. The other man using the name God is some man form the jewish nations, and another from Iran The other man in the white klan is from the white house and one is President Bush, the other is some of the republican old men with white or blonde hair, The white man from tampa florida, Randy White, of without walls, uses the name of Jesus as a code, an Bishop of west angeles church of God, colored man Blake

  16. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 12:25pm

    These wicked people are behind all of this evil mess that has been going on, they are the head of the massive abuses that has been going on in our society, the hate abusive clinics was started by; President Bush, who recr;uited other biggoted republicans and hate religions all mainly connected to the church of God, They are behind the ab;usive hate clinics harrassing the gay community, and the aclu must get on top of it , Paula white, is a representative of the chu;rch of God and her affiliations with Td Jakes, and Eddie LOng and The republican Party who goes to their REligious occult in Tampa florida, She told me herself her own family was from mississippi and they where all klu klux klans, and so was the Republican party that she worked for, and Mcain and Newt Gingrich was the head of the hate group in the klan in the Republican party along with President Bush who lead all of the hate attacks on gay people an families, Eddie long is also one of the african men who ;usses the name god

  17. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 12:32pm

    This is why you see the pedephile Bishop eddie long, in the enquirer that caused a massive stir, hugging and bush giving him a kiss on the cheek , one african colored man using the name god and a pedephile and a hater of gay hippocrisy, liar, and ab;user, and a white racist with a horrific reuputation as a Republican President , having an affair with the youn , much to young Condelessa Rice, Check it all out it is all 100% true, you dont allow rapest and mureders and pedehiles in religions or anywhere terrorist, from any country , sit on panels in politiscs and make choices for famiies, and citizens, they are already commiting crime against humanity the people, every thing they will delegate an try to implement will be more abuse , and problems for the people of hate crimes, murders, rapes, burdens, they are the oppressors, the nations overhaul must be to good honorable people , with good backgrounds of human rights, not violators of it, you are trying to save a nation to civilizing

  18. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 12:39pm

    This nation must be lead by the Aclu and national task forces gay and lesbian an those on the hertero side who is honorable and human rights people sick of the ab;uses, you must not ever allow the religions of hate and malice, to take part in political processes, they are the groups stirring up all of the trouble and atrocities and problems , wars and abuses and they are the one committing all of these high crimes, as you see every day to every week priest and bishop are being arrested for sex crimes, and mu;rder, some have murdered their wives, and their stories aired, one lady who was a mistriess made public tv many times just to talk about how these wicked pasters plot evils all the time in their occults, osme other wise priest and clergy left the satanic orders of other hate religions, and told their stories of horrific abuses, and plots on genders or people they personally did not like and would put the whole congregation up to malice to do them or their famliy

  19. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 12:45pm

    This wicked evil demon who called himself God , was the one who ordered the murder an persecution of my mother, and is the same one behind the murders and rapes of women and children, this person gives orders out to men and women b;ut mostly men to beat their wives and rape their children, and to assault and kill women and children, this is all true, this demon would come over a loud speaker in our church and yell that they where god and was punishing everyone that did not do as they said and wanted every one under thier spell of brainwashing telling us to hate every other religions and churches that no one but those apart of the chu;rch of gods where good, an that all in other religions where the people we must target , not associate with, and everyone was to reverence only his name only and do the things evil thing he handed down for theim to do, this demon god kept so much violence and confusion going on in our church it was a masive mess, families where abusing other famiiles

  20. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 12:51pm

    The wicked person who called himself God, would tell the men to try and mess over the women, to try and run their lives, he told them in the churches to get into the business of the families personal affairs and try an run those too and tell them what to do, this wicked evil demon, came into the church and had the chu;rch taking up about ten different offerring of money from the poor people telling them that god told them to do it and maybe a miracle woud come into their lives, lying to the people and having them send these offerings of money to tennesssee headquarters and los angels bishop blake where him tennesee and Td jakes devided the money between their own private pockets and mansions, it burdened our church so that my parents got out latter on, and when they did this person who called themselves God, set out and abusive attack on them and our family, while also trying to get my family to link me to this monster, in a sex sick connection, I found out later that this nightmare,

  21. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 1:06pm

    So what happened was this wicked person they called God, found out i was a Gay woman minister, and his or her hatred I am pretty sure this one is a man, i talking about, went into a malice hate anger , because he knew i would not want him, by being gay, so he took every waking minute of his time out of anger and obssession for me, to lie to the people and make up lies that was not true to try and tarnish my name, in the church and the truth later came out, about the lies and it back fired on the people , but, and marriages where damaged because the real bad people where uncovered and their evil messes the where in with these women they where secretty messing with outside the chu;rch while married and lying about their ministries, I was later told by gay priest that this wicked god person was jealous of my being gay and set out to harm me , because this twisted person wanted me to to mess with him , for himself, and im sure the demon was are is married , and the woman is a fool hers

  22. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 1:14pm

    THe spanish priest also told me along with a group of white, and spanish pastors where in the no about who this person is , that they where watching this person god, because he had a wicked obsession with me every since I was a child at home, a predator who had been stalking me and trying to harm me, they said the man was with him who calls himself jesus, and that the bad white man from tampa florida without walls, they connect to men all over the nation , one of the people told me if i did not no what really takes place in that place i had better leave an never go back there, because they knew i was a real minister, and that was not what was happening there, , this wicked god and jesus person has been stalking me every since and jealous of my gay community, and california, they are the one who set up the block along with the reblican party ties they have, to try and keep them from getting married there because of my friendship and close friends some who are gay from there

    1. Carrie! Why don’t you just STFU? Thank you.

      1. Paddyswurds 4 Feb 2012, 5:54pm

        @John…
        …….Why? Is she not as entitled to post her opinions as you are. At least she is supportive of Gay people. Where are your supportive comments John? If you don’t like her style then move on and don’t read her posts. Better still stay away and impose your bad temper on someone else!!!

        1. Ben Foster 5 Feb 2012, 4:20pm

          but, paddy, have you READ what she has posted? It’s doing nobody any favours rambling on like this. Her obsession with depraved hetero men reads like somebody in need of REAL psychiatric help, not the sort we keep hearing about here.

          1. Paddyswurds 5 Feb 2012, 6:44pm

            but,ben, it is doing no one any harm. just scroll on by it and ignore it if it bothers you so. As someone said further down she may be ill and it the sort of stream of conscience stuff that comes with high bi polar episodes.. It certainly won’t help to abuse or condemn her. It isn’t anti gay so that’s a bonus. It’s up to PN to censure her if they wish, not you, I or any one else.

          2. Ben Foster 5 Feb 2012, 8:01pm

            Replying to you, Paddy, it’s not anti-gay, but it is so virulently anti-everyone else that it is worrying. Worrying for her, absolutely. That sort of hatred can’t be good for her, and it’s a pity we can’t do anything to help. I do wonder what fuels that hatred of hetero men. because it probably also fuelled her illness.

  23. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 1:21pm

    The nations does not no why all this evil mess has come into play , but it all goes back to this wicked occult group linked to the hate religions and churches of god occults, Trinity is their logo, the The Trinity is the Name of The person calling himself God, the other Jesus, which is Randy white code name, to the occult, and the holy spirit, wich is Paula White, the ex wife of Randy white, of tampa florida Without Walls, that is her code name the holy spirit, together these three people are linked to masses of abuses of other people, and racism attacks tied into the political arena where they know the se people personally, I think that in the religioous realm I think the God person is Td Jakes or Eddie LOng, and int the policitcal arena, I think Bush heads the racist republicans along with Mcain, and Newt , These people keep trying to get in the way of the human rights movements of equality because they have other evil conspiracies like human trafficking children an women to men

  24. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 1:31pm

    Well, the other good human rights people who have good hearts and good intentions, for the nations equality and concerns against abuses, have had their freindship violated an constantly harrrased because of these same jealous abusive people the klan , the hate religions, and gangsters, the rest of the world have loved ones they would like to have and see in peace as friend in safe decent relationships and dont want the bigots bothering their families, The national task force of human rights and the lgbt gay and lesbian task force, must stop thier malice to all our countries, and families, Pampers are not rape, deceit, harrasment, just like hate is not christian, is malice, and spite –good people does good and right by others and delegates goodwill, No one is to go off with strangers they dont know and they are to watch who they allow around their families especailly men of hetero, bad intentions an ill will is what our nation is dealing with, bigots or the head leader of it. STOP THEM

  25. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 1:58pm

    ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MARRIED AND THINKING ABOUT MARRIAGE, LISTEN UP, IF YOU ARE IN A HETEROSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP OR A GAY RELATIONSHIP ,IF YOU HAVE A CHILD OR CHILDREN, BEFORE YOU GO INTO A MARRIAGE OF ANYKIND, EVEN RELATIONSHIPS, YOU HAD BETTER ESTABLISH BOUNDARIES WHERE YOUR CHILDREN YOU HAD BEFORE GETTING WITH THEM ARE CONCERNED, IF GOING TO GET DIVORCED OR SEPERATE, THE OTHER PERSON HAD BETTER BE MADE TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO BY CHILD OR CHILDREN THAT I BROUGHT INTO THIS WORLD OR ADOPTED MY SELF, WHO HAVE LIVED WITH ME AND NOONE BUT ME AS PARENT, YOU DO NOT ALLOW A STRANGER THAT YOU HAVE HOPES OF MAKING A RELATIONSHIP AND LIFE WITH TO CROSS THOSE BOUNDARIES, MOST OF THE TIME AT THE BEST YOU MAY GET A FEW GOOD YEARS OUT OF THE MARRIAGE, OR RELATIONSHIPS SO DONT LIE TO YOURSELFS AND LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD, MOST PEOPLE ESPECIALLY NOW ADAYS ARE GETTING INVOLVED WITH ALL SORT OF DRUGS AND FAST PACED SEX ADDICTIONS AND SEX CLUBS AND NOT HEALTHY TOGETHER

  26. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 2:04pm

    tHIS IS WHY MOST OF YOUR HETERSEXUAL; RELATIONSHIPS ALMOST NEVER WORK, THEY ARE DEVORCED OR LIVING LIES, BUT YOU MUST MAKE SURE BEFORE YOU MARRY THAT PERSON, THAT NO YOU CANNOT ADOPT MY CHILD , WE ARE A FAMILIY AS LONG AS WE ARE TOGETHER , BUT IF WE DEVORCE, MY CHILD AND CHILDREN GOES BACK WITH ME LIKE MY CLOTHES GO BACK TO MY PLACE AN YOUR CLOTHES YOU HAVE GO BACK WITH YOU , YOU DID NOT HAVE MY CHILD , MY CHILD WAS RAISED WITH AND BY ME , IT DOES IT BEST FOR PEOPLE TO DEVORCE CORGENIALLY, THEREFORE YOU WANT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE OTHER VISITING THE CHILD, IF FOND OF THEM, BU;T COMMON SENSE TELLS ME I HAVE NO RIGHTS TO THE WOMANS CHILD SHE HAD BEFORE IF MARRIED HER, I WOULD NOT EVEN TRY TO GO THEIR WHO DEMON CRAZY WOULD I BE, THAT HER CHILD AND WAS MY CO HEART AND LOVED ONE WHILE I LIVED WITH HER MOTHER, AS A PARTNER OR MATE, AND CAN STILL LOVE HER FROM AFFAIR, TAKE PICTURES AND CALL HER IF I STAY ON GOOD TERMS WITH HER MOTHER, AND WHY SHOULDNT I, IF I AM A STABLE PERSON,

  27. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 2:13pm

    iF YOUR YOUR MARRIAGES DOES DO NOT WORK GET ON ABOUT YOUR BUSISNESS AND LET YOUR HEARTS HEAL AN FIND ANOTHER NICE PERSON THAT CAN BRING HAPPINESS INTO YOUR LIFE, DONT ACT FOOL AN START STALKING , AND FLIPPIING OUT AN SENDING HATE MESSAGES AND CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR THE OTHERS NEW FRIENDS OR PARTNER ARE FAMILY, BECAUSES THEN YOU LOOSE ALL RESPECT FOR YOUR SELF, AN THE PERSON HAS A RIGHT NOT TO ALLOW YOU AROUND THEM OR THEIR CHILD OR CHILDREN YOUR DANGEROUS, WICKED, UNSTABLE TO TO HAVE A FRIENDSHIP WITH BECAUSE YOU CANNOT GOVERN YOURSELF AS A LOVABLE KIND PERSON, WHO KNOW THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD BESIDES ONE, AN THEY CAN MOVE ON, IN GOOD TASTE, SO OTHERS WILL NO THAT YOU ARE NOT A SPITE FUL MONSTERS, LEARN TO WISH EACH OTHER WELL , EVEN THO YOU DID NOT WORK OUT, ONE OF MY FREINDS SAID HER EX WOULD STILL COME OVER IF SHE NEEDED THEM AN HELP HERE THEY COULD , JUST A PLEASANT PERSON, THATS A REAL FREIND , EVEN THO NOT THE HUSBAND OR PARTNER THEY NEEDED , FOUNDATIONS MUST DECENCY

  28. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 2:48pm

    PEOPLE ESPECIALLY HETERSEXUALS, HAD BETTER STOP TRYING TO TAKE PATTERN AFTER SOMEONE ELSE , AN SIMPLY BE A GOOD YOUR OWNSELF, BEING WISE, NO ONE WANTS A FATAL ATTRACTION, DO YOU SEE ALL OF THESE HETERSEXUAL MEN ABUSING AND MISUING THIER WIVES AN KIDS MURDER RAPE, SEX CRIMES, YOU BETTER START RESEARCHING WHO PEOPLE ARE BEFORE YOU START DATING, LET ALONE BEFORE MARRIAGE, YOU WILL FIND SOME MEN TO ALREADY HAVE BEEN WIFE BEATER , CHILD MOLESTERS, TO HAVE SCREWED AROUND AND RAN AROUND IN THE ENTIRE LAST MARRIAGE HE HAD, YOU ARE A FOOL TO PICK UP AND MARRY SOMEONE ESLES TRASH AND ABUSER, YOU WILL BE ABUSED ALSO, AND MAYBE KILLED, YOU SEE THE PERSON IS A JEALOUS FREAK OR S SEX FREAK WHY GO ANY FURTHER, YOU ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM ON YOUR HAND WITH A MANIACH THAT IS ALL READY OUT OF CONTROL, YOUR ASKING FOR TROUBLE, DO YOU INVESTIGATIONS AND TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING BEFORE TIME, ASK PEOPLE WHO KNOW THEM ABOUT THEM, FIND OLD GIRLFRIEND AND WIVES HUSBANDS PARTNERS FIND OUT, HETERSESXUAL ARE DANGERUS

  29. I just tried to read Carries comments, I have a head ache!

    I’m struggling to either find any sense in it or link any of it to the PN article …

    1. Ben Foster 5 Feb 2012, 9:43am

      join the club. does anyone know why she does it?

      1. Gayseraph 5 Feb 2012, 9:53am

        Insanity possibly? At any rate its clear that she never comments on an article after her multi-post rants.

        1. I have a bi-polar friend who writes similar stuff all over facebook on his bi-polar upswings… entire reams of unedited, stream of conciousness outpourings devoid of grammar, punctuation or reason.
          Usually he regrets it later when he comes down.

          1. FranklyBewildered 5 Feb 2012, 10:51am

            so she may well be mentally ill. I suppose we should sympathise. But it really is quite annoying when she pours it all out like that in the middle of a discussion thread.

          2. “so she may well be mentally ill”

            I’d say that’s a given.

            She should buy a journal and save the rest of us the misery of having to wade through that nonsense.

  30. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 3:00pm

    OPERATION SMILE SOUNDS GOOD CHARITY, BUT YOU DONT MAKE SOMEONE SMILE BY MAKING THEM FROWN, YOU DONT BRING SOMEONE HAPPINESS WHEN YOU ARE CAUSING THEM MISERY, YOU DONT TELL A CHILD HAPPY BIRTHDAY, AND ALL THE PRESENTS ARE NOTHING THE CHILD LIKES, DANGEROUS TOYS, THAT HURT THE CHILD, THAT HE DONT LIKE, YOU DONT GIVE A SMILE OR GET A SMILE FROM HIM LIKE THAT , HE LEARNS TO DISTRUST YOU, AND YOUR ACTIONS AND MOTIVES . I LOVE ,YOU , MUST BE AN ACTION WORKD, LOOSING TRACTION, UPLIFTING, ENCOURAGING, EDIFYING, A SOFT SOLACE AND EMBRACE, A GUARANTEED BALM IN THE RIGHT PLACE, A SWEET SMELL FLAVOR, OF GOODNESS, IT POURS DEEP DOWN IN , TIME AND TIME AGAIN , IT PERCULATES, IT DONT DEAL IN JEALOUSY,MALICE AND HATE,ITS GOOD TO THE LAST DROP , LIKE SWEET LOLIPOP.WANTING JUST ANOTHER LICK, ITS NOT IN THE VIOLENCE OF A MANS DICK, ITS IN A SOFT TOUCH THAT MEANS MUCH, IT JUST SWEEPS YOU UP!!!

  31. carrie baker 4 Feb 2012, 3:08pm

    BUT LISTEN , FREINDS, ONCE BEFORE I TAKE TEN AND WE DO THIS LATER AGAIN, DONT SIGN ANYONE NAME TO YOUR CHILD NAMES IN A MARRIAGE IF YOU HAVE ALREADY HAD THE CHILD OR CHILDREN BEFORE YOU MARRY, AND IF YOU HAVE SEMENATIONS, YOU DISCUSS BEFORE YOU MARRY AND HAVE THE CHILD ABOUT THE POTENTIAL BREAK UP DOWN THE ROAD, GET REAL, BETTER ESTABLISH WHAT IS AGREEABLE BETWEEN THE TWO, EXCEPT IN SEX ASSAULT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BATERTER STAYS AWAY FROM YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN, IF THE PERSON LOVES YOU AND IS DECENT, THEY WILL KNOW THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO TRY AND COME IN BETWEEN YOU AND A CHILD OR CHILDREN THAT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY THEIRS AND THAT CAME WITH YOU. BUT YOU BETTER MAKE IT CLEAR, LOVE US WHILE YOUR WITH US, AND SPEND PRESHUSH TIME, AS LONG AS YOU DO YOU WILL BE WITH US SO DONT WORRY ABOUT IT, BUT IF YOU SCREW UP, AND MESS UP, MINE I BROUGHT IN IS MINE GOING OUT, YOU WHERE THE STRANGER TO ALL OF US!!!!

    1. WTF are you talking about?

      1. She’s nuts, I doubt she knows.

        The real tragedy is someone gave the crazy muppet internet access….

  32. Loving the censorship here at PN.

    1. Ben Foster 5 Feb 2012, 9:45am

      what censorship? we get to vote down stupid comments, but even carrie’s nonsense gets an airing. only occasionally does real filth and abuse get removed.

    2. “Loving the censorship here at PN.”

      By censorship, I assume the removal of offensive comments of hate that you tend to agree with? What a surprise.

      For an ex-gay, you spend a lot of time on a gay site, don’t you? You and George Rekers mush have loads to talk about….

  33. John-Paul 4 Feb 2012, 3:50pm

    Religion is losing, It has been fighting wars and battles for years and it is on the losing side.
    Who or whom were the worlds religions persecuting 50 yrs ago?, 100 years ago? the 16th, 15th 14th centuries….Religion NEEDS an “evil on earth” to maintain its followers…so they can say…”look here, look at these people, they are evil and they will suffer, do you want to suffer? no? then follow us and do as we say from the bits that we choose in this old book(s)”
    Throughout history these minorities have risen up and said NO, enough is enough, we are NOT what you say..and views have changed (or at least religion has been MADE to change its opinion by those who follow it when their concience overtakes their blind faith) more recently in the way that black people were viewed, or the role of women in the church.
    We “homesexuals” (they only say it this way cos it has “sex” in it tee hee) are the “new evil”. We are the ones they need to point at to make their followers follow.

    1. John-Paul 4 Feb 2012, 3:55pm

      but one day our persecution will be in the history books alongside the repression of women, racism, and even repression of religion.
      we MUST continue to fight till then.

  34. This is not the first offensive article from Doreen Wachmann, I recall reading an article in 2009 thinking that she was a bigot and with people like her spewing such intolerance

    When so called representatives of the community are filled with such ignorant bile, I’m not surprised the Glasgow synagogues are shutting down at record pace and the Jewish birth rate there has plummetted. How do they possibly expect fresh blood to settle in their community?But then I got out of there and so should any self respecting,reasoning member of the Glasgow Kehilla, Orthodox or not.

    As for Doreen,Im sure theres a special place reserved for her in the Meah Shearim. If shes that obsessed with religious fundamentalism why doesn’t she just shave off all her hair and go join the others ,where she can enjoy female only bus rides, sections in the synagogue the supermarket and elsewhere

    She seems to have forgotten that the Nazis singled out Jews for the same treatment as Gay and lesbian folk…

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