It would be nice if we all had a choice in our sexual orientation. It would also be nice if we could all ride flying homeopathic unicorns to work as well. People struggling with their sexuality do not need to be cured of it, nor can they be. Help should be available, but not in the form of fairytales.
I agree. It is disappointing when people try to fit the world into their theories rather than trimming their theories to fit the reality of the world.
So its OK to have long and unpleasant therapy curing Ann Widdecombe of her religious mania?
We have no scientific evidence the electro convulsive therapy will work…but…its OK!
Damn! You just put making miserable closet Lesbian Catholics happy out and proud Lesbian MCCers, pluralists, agnostics, atheists et cetera, in better terms than I was going to…
I can’t remember the mans name, but John Barrowman spoke to this gentleman in his documentary ‘The Making Of Me’ where he looked into what made you gay. This poor man, who was in his 60s, spoke about being made to feel he was wrong and how he volunteered to have this so called ‘gay cure’. About having shock therapy to his testicles. In the end he walked away, he didn’t want it anymore. Later that week he paid a visit to a gay club and at the bar was the Doctor who was treating him! This poor man was almost in tears as he spoke of his ordeal, as was John.
Shall we start taking straight men and women and cure them if their bigotry with shock therapy?
That story is just … I don’t have the words to describe how it makes me feel. So much sorrow in the world caused by other people. That doctor is less than nothing.
my dad had ect when he had a nervous breakdown…….didnt really help him and caused all his teeth to fall out……
It does actually work for some disorders! They don’t know *how* it works, but it does. Certainly NOT for homosexuality, though.
Nor for transsexuality. There doesn’t seem any evidence it “works”; the patients might have just got better without it in the same period. Or it might make them determined to hide their problems to escape the torture, and its ill-effects on memories. People tend to be attached to their memories.
i remember watching a documentary once about a church group suppossedly curing gayness/demons out.. they wrap the person up in something and aside from difficulty of breathing the person was beaten,, i also remember a case being printed in one of the detective magazines i get ,,people have died going to these quacks,,this is very disturbing news indead
Unfortunately people have so far only started to ban licensed doctors and therapists doing this stuff. Therapists often don’t have to be licensed, and religious ministers definitely aren’t yet restricted in the pressures and even assaults they can perform if the victim consents at the time. Many US sects, and worldwide ones too (including in the UK), consider it their duty to repair, cure, or whatever members of sexual minorities. Considering it to be connected with demons, spirits, or witchcraft is very common. People can die as a result of such accusations.
When Jeanette Winterson included a Pentecostal exorcism intended to drive out the lesbian demon in her teenage lead character in ‘Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit’, set in 1970s Lancashire, she wasn’t inventing it. And that was made into a major TV drama, including that terrifying assault, in 1990. This stuff is not secret.
What would make someone hold an opinion despite all the evidence to the contrary? Reparative therapy is Quack medicine. It has been proven not to work and causes untold harm.
It is possible for bisexuals to abstain from same sex relations. It is possible for homosexuals to become celibate. Why should should they though? Being gay or bi is not a choice, it is innate. Yet again we see religious justification for discriminatory and irrational views.
It’s not so long ago than left handed children were beaten and forced to use their right. That caused all manner of psychological harm too.
I hardly think Ann Widdecombe is an authority on anything related to sexuality …
As for fairness and impartiality, not sure theya re words I would use to describe her …
Exactly. This is a woman who claims to be sexually inert, and yet who wants to impose her sexual ‘moral code’ on others.
What she can’t seem to get into her head is that aversion therapy has been PROVEN NOT TO WORK!
I so hope that she didn’t get beyond Samaritan training camp – the thought of her dealing with vulnerable people on the phone puts shivers down my spine.
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I am so tired of this evil, old, hateful, barmy bigot and her impeded and retarded views.
She says ” “When I was training as a Samaritan in the Eighties the first principle was never to dismiss another’s priorities.”
That is provided it was not harmful to the individual, she clearly didn’t do well as a samaritan.
i have check with the samatians – they have no evidence that this old Tory bitch ever trained with their organisation – and certainly wouldn’t be encouraged to make such hateful comments about any group – vunerable or otherwise.
So the old bat can add Liar to her list of despicable achievements!
Probably listed as a Mr A Widdecombe. An easy mistake in her case.
There’s no evidence to say that these therapies work, but vulnerable people are tempted to try them, and when they don’t work, they feel even worse.
So in the long run, attempting to “cure” these people probably puts them closer to sever depression and possibly suicide.
Any doctor or therapist should be struck off for even attempting this as it can cause direct harm to the patient.
If she was any kind of decent ‘Samaritan’ (I was one too for some years) she would know one does not offer ‘moral guidance’ of any kind, one is there to listen and let the caller talk out his/her own problems with what one hopes are useful, but not proscriptive, comments if it seems appropriate. If a caller expressed ‘guilt’ about his/her sexual orientation (and I recall a few such incidents from both sexes) it was certainly not my place to issue certainties of the kind she seems quite often to indulge in and it is certainly not the role of a volunteer to try and influence a caller to follow the beliefs of the volunteer. I doubt very much if Chad Varah (the founder) would have cared for her ideas on this.
I am just glad that she is no longer a politician and can no longer have any conceivable influence on UK legislation. Why is it so many converts to Catholicism become much more extreme than many brought up in that faith (I was not, but know many including some family members who were
In my very personal experience gay people are often unhappy do to their lack of acceptance or friends and family lack of acceptance of their sexuality. Thereby should help them come to terms with these difficulties and not enforce them.
Your personal experience as what? A village idiot?
Resorting to insults neither wins you the argument, nor is it an attractive or desirable character trait …
Couldn’t agree more Jon!
I think she’ll find that probably only about %10 of the British population are Christian. And the reason that they are targeted more is because there are more.
Also, what about a cure for being straight?
A cure for being straight, you say? sounds intriguing… but does it involve aversion therapy? ‘cos that’s not my bag.
Very good point you raise there Alister. Would Anne support therapies that proposed to help change the sexuality of a heterosexual unhappy in their sexuality?
Both Carey and Widdecomb need the noose.
Perhaps a very large dildo might be more helpful. She could even borrow Carey’s.
If people like her would back off and stop saying being gay is wrong maybe some gays wouldn’t be unhappy. It’s people like her that makes their lives hell!
I think that it in a nutshell!!
Ann Widdecombe is a virgin.
I’d recommend Ann Widdecombe buy a sex toy (or some root vegetables if she’s too ashamed or cheap to buy a vibrator) to try to explore her own inner slut, before she starts lecturing others about sexuality.
AGH! dont give me that image in my mind please! i just ate
And now that is all I can think about…dAVID I usually enjoy your comments, BUT WHY?!?!?!?!?
I enjoy some of your comments dAVID … but somehow I have just come over all nauseous …
You are entirely right about her having no grounds to lecture on sexuality, however …
“Her own inner slut.” LOL!
I think it’s too late. She looks like the sister Hinge and Bracket left in the attic.
Hinge and Bracket????
I am sure her local Tesco has done a roaring trade in carrots and cucumbers over the years.
By acting as a shill for the ex-gay movement, Ms Widdecombe has lowered herself to their intellectual level.
People also visit psychologists because they are underweight but would like to lose more weight, or because they feel self-hatred and would like to injure themselves.
Would Ms Widdecombe like therapists to help anorexics lose more weight, or self-harmers to cut themselves? After all, it’s what the patient wants.
If we had no experimental data, there might be a debate (as there used to be) about whether same-sex attraction was healthy or unhealthy. Fortunately, we are lucky enough to have plenty of data telling us that same-sex attraction is healthy, but that it does psychological harm to tell someone otherwise.
Any psychologist going against that evidence is doing harm as concrete as one helping an anorexic to suppress the urge to eat.
Most gays are wholesomely happy in life. Unhappiness in the LGBT community is usually caused by narrow minded bigots who bully us. Being gay is NOT A CHOICE. Having a religion to follow is!
Religion is not so a choice any more than we choose the taste of food that appeals to us, the political philosophy with which we agree or the music that moves us – these are involuntary where “choice” is illusory. Those who have no religion are of a mind where they are not persuaded – it is not a positive choice not to believe rather than a state of mind. Similarly with those who do believe – I have not “chosen” to do so, it is that I am driven to do so.
Even if religion and sexuality, however, were a choice, the fact of “choice” should not make it any less real or equal, particularly in a liberal democracy. Although I, for myself, did not choose my sexuality, the choices that I make regarding it are exercises in personal freedom and expression. The exercise of free personal choice is as important in a democracy as the recognition of unchosen (and therefore non-moral) outcomes.
Religion is absolutely a choice.
And when it is coupled with belief that a badly written work of fiction is the book of the ‘god’ thing – then that is an act of wilful stupidity.
Religion has nothing of value to offer the world. Neither does atheism. But at least there is less murder and war with atheism.
Certainly religion and faith are choices … and there are three general options (with various flavours of religion/faith you could choose to subscribe to (or not)) ….
Either you accept it, you don’t accept it, or you’re not convinced either way and keep your options open … Personally, I generally fit into the latter category (although veer more to not accepting than accepting) …
Not convinced there is less murder and war with atheism (although clearly there is a lot with religion!) there is debate as to whether Hitler was atheist or not …Pol Pot was an atheist … Mussolini was an atheist ….
I’m not convinced the Cherokee deportations were religiously motivated, nor the Herero and Namaqua massacares …
The massacres of the Dzungar by the Qing empire appears not to be religiously motivated …
The Katyn massacre in Poland had no roots in religion, being about political ideology only …
The 1937 massacre of Haitans in the Dominican Rep was not religious
Of course religion is choice. People choose to be religious or not to be religious or to change religions, based on their changing states of mind, all the time.
By seeking to equate religious *choice* and sexual *fact* you play into the hands of the hard-line religious opponents of LGBT rights: for example the RCC which propagates the truly evil idea that all gay people are called to chastity.
Religion **IS** a choice! There are no two ways about it. You hear people ‘becoming Christian’. That is a choice!!!!
I choose to eat ‘animal flesh’ too… because I want to eat meat. Even that offends some people.
I choose to wear Doc Martens boots, big stompers that they be, and people moan and wail about that.
Why can’t we all just get along with one another instead of worrying about what the person stood next to you on the train is doing/reading/wearing/watching/listening to? Honestly, the world would be a much better place if you stopped moaning.
A little bit of gayness in the world harms no-one.
A bit of gayness in the world is a fabulous thing and brings sparkle and technicolour!
I think Widdy should be glittered!
Ann Widdicomb used to be a member of the cult of England. but defected to the catholic cult when the cult of England allowed women priests.
She’s written a romance novel called ‘The Clematis Tree’ about a virgin who never gets laid (and thinks it’s a good thing.)
She writes for the Daily Express. I’m surprised the Express hasn’t yet hired a medium to reveal Princess Diana’s thoughts on same sex marriage.
Although maybe it has. It’s the Express after all.
Sounds like a biography. ‘Barking Up The Wrong Tree’ would have been a more appropriate title.
What a load of tosh and proves that this is more to do with religion and ignorance than anything else.
For years, I thought the feelings that I had, and even after coming out I never wanted to be gay. This is because I wanted to be ‘normal’ and I thought I never would be if I was gay.
Years have passed, I have accepted my sexuality and more importantly I am happy to be gay.
The ‘gay cure’ is just confirming that being gay is wrong and you too can be normal. We shouldn’t be offering services like that, we should be offering counselling to these people to accept who they are and be happy.
Anne is either a sadist in which case she is into torturing others or a masochist and are trying her own medicine herself.
She is a sadist in so far as when she was prisons minister she ordered that pregnant prisoners should be chained to their beds when giving birth. I think it revealed her deep hatred of sexually active women.
Does Richard Desmond still own the Express? He made his fortune from wank mags.
Ann Widdicombe is earning her living from the profits of pornography.
Which is fine of course. But seeing as she’s so uptight you’d think that earning money in such a manner would horrify her.
Of course not though. Like any bigot she’ll hook herself out to wherever a paycheque comes from.
It is amazing that someone like Ann Widdecombe can back the ability of therapists to offer a gay cure treatment
Being Gay is not a dis-ease. It requires no cure. Many politicians and so called church leaders are currently speaking out against homosexuality in one form or another. Young gay men in Iran have been hanged in recent years (the graphic video is on YouTube and should be watched by anyone who calls for ‘different’ rights for gay people), couples in Africa have been imprisoned for expressing their love for each other, and schoolchildren in America have been hanged, shot, tortured until they commit suicide, and even tied to a fence, whipped with a pistol and left to die. In the UK homophobia still exists and, especially young, people a bullied to the point of suicide.
I hope that all these so called ‘leaders’ will reconsider their position on this subject, before more people in the UK and around the world die, due to their promoting the views of ignorance and intolerance
Widdy and her diddies are catholic extremists. She won’t change her mind.
Widdecombe is a sanctimonious hypocrite who refuses to buy a television licence because of the “immoral” programmes on it, but is herself never off our screens. She ruined a whole series of Strictly with her straitlaced, sex-hating, schoolmarmish appearances.
If Widdecombe wants to help people, maybe she should ‘call out’ the church she so adores on its child abuse cover up.
Furthermore, she should question what motivated thousands of priests to molest children in the first place.
Strict, forced celibacy seems to direct those enduring it to think too much about, erm… sex.
There lies half the problem with these priests. There lies the problem with Widdecombe!
She needs help herself but perhaps she is beyond it. She craves attention and if the only way to get it is to espouse extremist catholicism that’ll do for her.
She would of course deny outright that a percentage of the paedophilia statistics were committed by straight clergy. There were many females sexually molested and the cult itself has an almost 2 millennia old unspoken tradition of misogyny. Maybe she hates women especially those enjoying a healthy sex life. She ought to get herself to a nunnery and have done with it and wallow in self-oppression. Misery loves company after all. One sick woman indeed.
Priests? ‘Dirty beasts’ you mean.
Mind you, she has said, Catholic priests should be allowed to marry if they want. The difficulty is, they would not be allowed to marry eleven year old altar boys.
Surely it would be more important to ask WHY people might not want to be gay ….. and the answer is people like this annoying old witch who would happily force her religious views on everyone!!!!
It is one thing to offer someone help if they seriously want to try and ‘turn’ straight, another for the help to be administered by someone with an anti gay agenda or plain old religious values. Gay therapy is unethical because even before the ‘illness’ is predetermind before diagnosis, and the ‘cure’ is blanket ideology on how to be straight. Perhaps there is a case for some to go straight depending on gender identity having been wrongly linked to a sexual identity, however such therapy isnt going to considered that. Its simply administered religion and sterotypical gender roles.
If anyone is attempt this crap they have to be totally neutral and 100% guided by the patient.
It’s a tried and tested fundamentalist con-trick isn’t it?
First tell everyone that gays are an abomination against god and should be treated as second class.
Then when a few of the more impressionable or depressive types start feeling crap about themselves as a result of being browbeaten into submission over years by zealot family members and neighbours, present them with a big juicy snake-oil cure with a hefty price tag.
Create a bogus need, cater for it with placebos.
What a silly woman.
I actually like her in a strange kind of way, but when she comes out with crap like this my respect for her vapourises.
I am sure there are many gay men out there that don’t like who or what they are, much like there are black people, disabled people, sick people or mentally ill people. It’s unfortunate but you really have to face up to what you have and make the best of you circumastances, not complain and try and change it, because some things simply can’t be fixed.
Do you reckon Widdy has faced up to her own reality? That she is a lonely, bitter, 64 year old virgin, who has never known love, and who seeks comfort in the only way she knows how – through her belief in her imaginary ‘god (I personally think she gets aroused by the sight of Jesus on the cross – he has a nice body and Widdy probably thinks he should be punished for his sexiness.
Don’t you think she looks like a closeted Lesbian? She has never married nor had any children.
If she is, it probably explains why she is so ant-gay?
She’s small, fat, and she wears comfortable shoes!
I rest my case.
Widdecombe is a vivid personification of the dangers of the closet.
Hell to the no.
The straights can keep Widdy and her dried beef curtains (Ann wouldn’t be offended by these comments seeing as she earns her wage from the profits of porn – her boss is Richard Desmond).
The lesbians wouldn’t accept such a sourfaced, shrivelled old prune into their midst.
Nope, I think Widdy is simply asexual … and the world probably celebrates that she is …
I wonder if this silly old cow would be prepared to help a straight person seek help to become gay because they were “unhappy”? The day a straight person can be converted to gay, then maybe, her absurd statement would hold water. Thank goodness she’s in the minority opinion.
Just because someone happens to be baptised “christian”, doesn’t necessarily make them one. Where did she get the 70+% figure from. Her arse or what? She obviously isn’t among that number since real christians don’t judge others or cast the first stone.let alone support discrimination against gay people as she does with impunity. She converted to a cult with arguably the longest tradition of paedophilia, pederasty and misogyny.
Your statement, ” would be prepared to help a straight person seek help to become gay because they were “unhappy”?
I’ve never heard of such a request or any psychological agencies that have dealt with such a request. Can you please give me revelation that such has happened.
Probably because LGBT people don’t feel the need to persecute straight people just because they’re different from us, nor discriminate against them and attempt to limit their rights.
Straight people don’t feel the need to ‘change’ (not that it’s possible anyway) because they haven’t grown up made to feel worthless and alone. If I could switch the world round and reverse the positions of gay and straight people maybe you’d get it – but really surely a little empathy would make you understand?
Unfortunately psychiatry has a really bad reputation when it comes to sexual orientation. Even today in the UK one of the core texts for medical trainees in psychiatry (Sims’ Symptoms in the Mind – look it up on Amazon!) describes the gay community as sad, lonely sadomasochists that struggle to maintain stable relationships.
There are some texts that show that Reb, it is true …
However all respected professional bodies and regulatory regimes for psychiatry and psychology agree that homosexuality is not an illness …
There is progress …
People like Ann Widdecombe object if kids are taught that homosexuality is a naturally occuring part of life. But if ignorant, scared and lonely kids become unhappy homosexual adults, then it’s OK to give them psychiatric treatment! Unbelievable.
Let’s give electric shock treatment to all those delusional folk who believe in god. That’s the clearest sign of insanity. And lots of them are evidently very unhappy — otherwise why are they so ready to persecute those who are different?
These people really should have been members of the National Socialist and German Workers Party.
So why isn’t there a “cure” *coughcough* for straight people who don’t want to be straight and want to be gay??
Ann Widdicombe has taken the straight cure. It worked out superwe;; for her.
Sadly she didn’t turn gay, but seeing as she’s a 64 year old virgin her sexdrive was clearly extinguished.
She is no longer straight. She’s now simply a frozen, hollow shell of a human being.
I suppose I ought not to say this, but I wish the old hag would drop dead
Well her sexlife has always been dead. She’s the Daily Express’s favourite 64 year old virgin.
And a catholic virgin to boot.
She may be a man for all we know.
Hahaha, laughing my arse off here Dai. That’s so funny!
Can you imagine a just coming out gay ringing the Samaritans – just on the verge of ending it all- and getting HER on the end of the line!! poor sod would probably end up topping himself. Exactly the WRONG person to have on the Samaritans Help Line.
Yes, her voice alone is enough to make one want to find the nearest viaduct.
She is the greatest living arguement for Mercy Killing
She does have compeition for the greatest living argument … but she’s certainly up there …
She’s barking is this old dear! Nuttier than a fruitcake and squirrel sh@t put together!
Stupid woman has become blind to reality because of her Catholic beliefs. Her views are just plain dangerous and hurtful.
If Richard Dawkins ran clinics I would refer Ann Widdecombe.
I suspect there are many more closeted married/ partnered gays and Bi’s who need help in coming to terms with their sexuality.
Unhappy people in denial, who can’t quite put a finger on why they are so unhappy and maladapted. These are people who may be in need of thereapy. Instead they tend to self medicate with drink and drugs.
What a cold sad waste of a life and all based in a false premise. Why are we expending so much valuable time on this deluded creature, who is only to be pitied rather than scorned.
Gay scientists have isolated the gene they believe makes people Christian:
God! Ann Widdecombe may be trying desperately hard to reframe herself as the fluffy TV Celeb in shows like Come Dance With Me but she still is the same horrible old reactionary idiot of old isnt she…
Perhaps she will also support allowing the victims of racial discrimination, hate and intolerance to go into therapy to change their race so that they’ll be happier and more accepted.
Gay people who hate being gay don’t hate being gay inherently; they hate being due to homophobia and the abuse, isolation and shame that results from it.
Changing gay people to straight people to avoid homophobia is no different that changing black people to white people to fix the problem of racism
She reminds me of the Honey Monster, fallen on hard times.
Flattery will get you everywhere.
Maybe dAVIID wants to take her cherry?
At the very least her cherry is a very dry maraschino by now, lol
Her cherry now ressembles a raisin.
I think I’m going to be sick, lol.
Just an absolutely disgusting article from an ignorant bigoted woman who is just out of touch with reality. When I was younger and having trouble with coming out and in a state of depression I had plenty of opportunities for counselling available to me. The main thing is that my counsellor instead helped talk me through my problems and helped me come to terms with my sexuality not try and give me some bogus false hope of being ‘normal’ and send me down a futile path which would just end up hurting me more. But she doesn’t care about the damage it does, how views like these continue to perpetuate prejudice and create even more misery amongst the invulnerable. She should be ashamed.
People you need to see all of this and see the truth of what they are tying to do.
She’s celibate and vocally homophobic…
That leads me to think an obvious conclusion about her true desires. (If she was truly asexual she likely wouldn’t care about people being gay).
Asexuality isn’t the same as celibacy. Celibacy is done out of choice. Asexuality is a sexual orientation whereby the individual does not experience sexual attraction to any gender. It’s no more a choice than any other orientation. So she may be celibate, but she probably isn’t asexual.
Thanks for pointing that out, Kale. I wish people were more aware of that important distinction.
I think she may be asexual …
I remember watching an interview with her where she denied ever having any sexual attraction …
Now, she may just be a prude … but it wouldnt surprise me if she was asexual …
Now some asexuals regard it as an orientation …, others use it to be sanctimonious about others sexual proclativities …
I like the lady – shame she didn’t win Strictly :-(
As graceful as a hippo.
She did a good show on (gay) Cardinal Newman.
“I like the lady – shame she didn’t win Strictly”
Well of course you do John, you both have a severely diminished grasp on the basics of science – stupidity is like misery, in that it likes company.
shame she holds such poisonous views
shame you do
Instead of flapping her gums with the same intellectual knowledge of a wine gum, she should wise up and do some research.
If you watch this; http://equalitymatters.org/emtv/201110200019
you’ll see that someone who used to head the ex-gay group Love In Action, says that he’s never met a man during the conversion therapy, that his organisation has carried out, who has changed his orientation.
He’s spent two decades involved in reparative therapy provision, and it’s a bombshell that he’s now come out and said it just doesn’t work.
Views like this are a huge problem, by saying “hey there’s a cure” they are basically saying that being gay is wrong because you only cure something that is wrong and these views encourage people who already have a problem with gay people, this view will set people’s acceptance back a long way if it still viewed as wrong. It also send a bad message to people who are unsure, a huge example would be gay teens who have problems with their identity and by thinking this is something to be cured will make them think that that have something wrong with them – this shouldn’t be the case at all.
I am all for people being who they want to be but people who say they don’t want to be gay but can’t change to me just seems to have acceptance issues and that should be the help that becomes more avalible, to promote acceptance.
Everyone should stop thinking that it is something that can be cured – you can’t change your sexuality most just suppress those feelings then they reemerge later in life.
This is typical of the religious they want people to be unhappy & lie, because in their world the next world will be far better. It’s the religious who need a cure for their deluded beliefs & schizophrenia, after all they do hear voices! If a man can get sectioned for being obsessive in the belief of aliens why can’t Christians! They’re a bunch of ignorant & arrogant idiots!
Ok lets go down this road….all therapsits need to be on a public government register. All the training has to be regulated and controlled and independently monitored. In order to practice this kind of therapy you have to have a certain level and standard of qualifications and training, which must be verifiable to prevent fraud, in order to get on the the register of reparative therapy practitioners. You cannot practice this kind of ‘therapy’ unless you are on the register, and if you practice it without being on the register, you face a £5000 fine and a lifetime ban on being a counsellor. The register will be open to the public, and the therapy must be avaialable on the NHS…..It’s just not going to happen is it.
We already have independent, peer reviewed evidence from numerous independent studies that people are psychologically harmed by such “therapies”, why should we inflict that harm on more?
The crucial point of any clinicians approach to patients should be “do no harm” …
This hasn’t come across quite the way I meant it. I am being sarcastic. I am wholeheartedly against the practice of this dangerous quackery. My comment is about the lack of any formal training or qualifications these so called therapists have and the lack of monitoring and regulation and that if they were to get what they want it would be a bit of an own goal for them because then they would be accountable.
Sarcasm isnt always obvious in text unfortunately …
Makes much more sense now!
Oh and the success and failure rates must be independently monitored, and the figures made available to the public, and not legally able to be withheld.
I love Ann, she is straight talking and takes no nonsense, I wish she was PM.
I would happily go to one of these people if I were a homosexual, the world without homosexuals would be a far, far better place.
Well if you’re not gay, then why the hell of your speaking from a position of ignorance, and why are you trolling on a gay news site ?
Kyle, I suspect that this very reply to you is giving you what you want, but hey, I’m feeling generous. So, now that you’ve got my attention and are no doubt experiencing that vacarious thrill which you obviously get from provocation, and just like to ask you what your motivation is. Try and look deep. That’s it. Not much there I suspect. But hey, you can always spend your hours trawling the internet looking to pick a fight. So I ask you again, look inside yourself. There is help out there. Maybe you just want to be loved.
Its a shame you feel that way, perhaps you need some support yourself. I shouldn’t think it is very pleasant feeling so much hatred towards yourself and other people. I’m not sure why I’m even bothering replying, but you seem like a troubled man and I guess I feel sorry for you. Hope you have an epiphany sometime in the near future.
In what sense?
Actually I don’t think she’s done anything wrong from what I have read – simply said that if people want to get help because they are unhappy being gay they should be able to do so – which I totally agree with
If you read the articles this isnt about religious groups – but about people seeking cunselling on their terms – so I think you have all gone poff on a real big personanal soap box for some reason there.
I agree that they should be given help, but other than that she couldn’t have been more wrong! These people should be given some kind of support to help them come to terms with their sexuality and they should be aware that there is nothing psychiatrists can do to change it and that any attempt to do so would be futile and potentially harmful. Offering them a cure implies that there is something wrong with them, which just fuels their unjust self hatred.
The charlatans she is supporting have caused significant psychological harm to many people … not sure how you can support that …
I suggest you read this article and reconsider your comment, Mike
Patrick Strudwick should be ashamed of himself for entrapment, he went to her, he wasn’t invited, he instigated the wanting to go to her.
He is a disgrace. I support Lesley Pilkington on this one, what he did was wrong. I am glad she can carry on, she has done nothing wrong, this man has serious issues with complaining and reporting people. If he doesn’t like it, do go, don’t read things, etc. It is important that religious rights are allowed.
Patrick Strudwick should be strongly and warmly congratulated …
Investigative journalism sometimes has to use subvertive measures to find the truth about the devious … like Lesley Pilkington …
If she had done nothing wrong, or was not engaging in damaging “therapy” then she would have had nothing to fear from a covert recording of her sessions …
Strange when the truth of what she is really up to is revealed, those who are bigoted and ignorant refer to it as “entrapment”, whilst responsible people and esteemed investigators and clinicians deem it responsible journalism revealing the truth …
I’m guessing you haven’t read ‘ Anything But Straight: Exposing The Scandals & Lies Behind The Ex- gay Myth’ or any other material about exactly how these quacks operate.
We need to press press the government to ban conversion therapy. The only reason why gay people would be unhappy is because of a) the usual stuff of live, job, relationships, b) people like Ann Widdecombe and others who are homophobes and damage peoples self-esteem with their hateful harmful vile comments.
If they can do it in Ecuador, why can we?
I don’t know what is more ridiculous, misleading people and giving them false hope by offering a ‘cure’ that doesn’t work or suggesting that homosexuality is something that needs to be cured! It sounds like Ann has very old fashioned views about homosexuality. I would suggest she updated her knowledge on the subject. Perhaps it would be more prudent to take on a more humanistic approach and help these people come to terms with their sexuality, and help them accept themselves unconditionally rather than offer them ‘treatment’ which doesn’t work and could be detrimental to their mental health. Likewise, I think she and others like her should be encouraged to love others unconditionally and accept others for who they are. People (politicians in particular) should listen to modern psychologists, they know what they’re talking about! I wonder why Ann Widdecombe would say such a ridiculous thing. I hope people will one day realise that sexuality isn’t something that can be forcibly changed.
Ann Widdecombe should be ashamed of herself. Does she realise how much damage her views can cause? Although i have to admitt. Noone really takes that idiot of a woman seriously! She was one of the most right wing members of parliament during her time as an MP. The Government should ban these so called treatments.
She is a nasty piece of work and a truly revolting woman. The ones who say they have nothing against minorities – or say that minorities “have no problems in society any more” – but then proceed to complain about every single case of minorities asserting their civil rights are the worst. I’ve never liked her anyway. Ignoring the advice of medical professionals who actually know what they are talking about just to stand by her bigoted views? I’m not surprised. I don’t take her seriously and I don’t suppose anyone except the far right will either.
Did people see what “kyle” said near the end of the existing comments?
” the world without homosexuals would be a far, far better place.”
Absolutely disgusting, vile behaviour. I’d like Pinknews to investigate what IP address those were made from. Pass them to me if you want and I’ll put a complaint in to the police to trace him/her. I’m happy to do that.
I think PN should deal with such hatred in such a manner, they seem reluctant to do so at the moment disappointingly …
If the name of a different minority is inserted, one quickly sees how fast they would act.
I agree… it’s an awful thing to say..and it is totally false.
The police are actively investigating the posting of these messages now subject to orders for them to identify users based on their IP address, we need these postings to stay up till working hours at the moment.
thumbs up, Ben
Thank you Ben
Good news. Thank you for letting us know.
Lets hope some of these people can be traced and held to account for their bigotry and hatred!!!
I suppose we all think we’re right, but this woman is being arrogant about it, and she will continue to believe she is right without hard evidence.
If she doesn’t care about truth or reality, why bother with her?
Well if that is the case, Anne, then let unhappy straights turn gay!
I know it’s only TV but one of the few shows to tackle this ex-gay quackery is Degrassi The Next Generation, “Beat It Part II”, Season 9, Episode 8. Key points:
1. The sessions are expensive and must be paid for, a challenge for confused gay teens who can’t ask their parents for the money to pay.
2. The “therapist” doesn’t appear to believe in what he’s trying to sell – long periods of personal counselling. I can’t think of a worse job, knowing it’s destined for failure.
3. What’s the end result? Probably more self-loathing, leading to suicide.
UK TV has largely ignored it, but there are programmes online where such US shows as Rachel Maddow (on MSNBC cable) and Anderson Cooper have exposed it, and the ex-gay “movement”, who are also prominent in promoting hate in Uganda, pretty well. A lesbian and a gay man using their media credentials to help us all.
AC360 ‘The Sissy Boy Experiment’: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0922202D15EFE01A
AC360 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUwRWDjcLs8
Australian Documentary on US (1996) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bSWyeWv1Fo
And then there’s the satire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqv-y5Ys3fg
Tic-toc, tic-toc … not long to wait until we are rid of this barmy old dinosaur
Help unhappy gays become happy gays would be a much more logical and positive goal to aim for.
She is a lesbian
The only reason gay people might be unhappy with their sexuality is because they have been listening to people like Biddecombe telling them something is wrong with them
I have no problem with this, as long as therapy is made available for straight people who want to be gay.
You state, ” no problem with this, as long as therapy is made available for straight people who want to be gay”
Please let me know that anyone has requested a therapist that any
straight person wanted to be gay.
There’s no indication that such a sexual reversal desire exists in the heterosexual behavior. If so, please clarify it so I can better understand human sexual behavior.
Hi Hank – think of it as love not sex then you might understand. It still saddens me that you allow falsehoods to shape your life. Jesus was NOTHING like the right-wing fundamentalist Christians whom you listen to and read. They’ve twisted his words and used them as very human weapons to hate and hurt, and if you can’t see that then it makes me very sad. There are LGBT people all around and they’re no better or worse than any other person. Learn to love not fear.
OMG, some people are little bit short of a sense of irony, I think.
Hank is a Christian. I’m not sure what kind of Christian he’d describe himself as but Bible literalist maybe?
“Let unhappy gays try to turn straight”
That statement seems incomplete, it should probably read, “Let unhappy gays try to turn into unhappy straights”
To any thinking person it is clearly the unhappiness that needs to be addressed by any kind of therapy rather than the sexual identity/preference of the unhappy person.
This is stupid. If someone goes to a therapist and says he’s afraid of the dark because there are monsters, you address the fear and its cause (the belief in fictional monsters); not the dark. You can’t change dark. Darkness is a fact of life. So you learn that monsters don’t exist, and there’s nothing to fear from the dark. In fact, the dark is pretty awesome because all the best parties happen at night. You just have to let go of the fairy tales you grew up with. No therapist would try to change the darkness, or they’d be declared unfit to practise. And insane.
I LOVE your logic! :D
So let an unhappy gay person become an even less happy straight one? No thank you. Personally I would have like to have been straight myself, got married and had children and made my parents into grandchildren but this is not the case. I am gay and nothing is going to change it. I am happy the way I am and I will not be forced to change in order to satisfy a declining minority of people.
Mind you, one look at Anne Widdicombe will turn a straight man gay!
Is it just me, or does that hairstyle make her look like Tracey in the Viz comic strip The Fat Sl*gs?
Miss Widdecombe should realise, that homosexuals in religious environments are at first made unhappy by the immense pressure of religion to denie and to change. All other homosexuals are GAY !!!
Or you could fight the prejudice and discrimination that makes gay people unhappy?
“If a gay person wants to change their sexuality, then professional help should be available to them”.
You cant argue with that. If a gay person wants to ‘turn straight’, then they need help, not to ‘turn straight’, but to become more accepting of who they are.
And this link is exactly what Ann Widdecombe doesn’t understand. A young life of being bullied and it’s understandable why some gay people may feel it’s better to be heterosexual. Ann Widdecombe chooses to ignore the cause.
Go away you silly, irritating, ignorant old woman.
This is as stupid as stupid gets…why don’t you try that “so called” cure and make yourself into a human..or at least something close to it..
I wonder if she would also encourage ‘unhappy blacks’ in the American South or Apartheid South Africa ‘try to turn white’, as Michael Jackson did?…
It’s a lie. No one can “choose” to change their internal wiring.
We kid ourselves we live in an Equal society. I live in the Canterbury area and I assure you we do not. The amount of homophobia in the sporting world proves this as well. If we lived in a truly equal society then there would be lot less unhappy gays. This woman is very anti gays, but she is happy to work with them in panto. What a hypocrite she is!
“if a gay person wants to change their sexuality, professional help should be available to them, despite a lack of scientific evidence for it working.”
Yeah, lets waste tons of money on a few brain washed gay people to make a load of idiotic christians feel better about their own inadequacies.
This woman is a fool.
Stupid woman. It does worry me that such people were/are running the country.
I always thought this woman was batty, no pun or offence intended, now I am convinced of it.
She is the one that needs therapy.
Re: Helen Wilson’s post. No, no evidence about ECT, Helen but wouldn’t it be satisfying to use it on AW. No anaethetic of course.
Silly woman. Let’s hope she has as bigger change of heart as her hair did.
Anne Widdecombe has to be one of the most obnoxious politicians ever – I suspect that she’s Hitler’s love child.
What makes gay people unhappy is not being gay itself, but the attitudes of society, church and family to homosexuality. Why don’t they understand this? Instead of to ”cure”, ”change” or punish gay people, they should try changing their own attitude towards us. Gay people find this issue to be especailly disturbing and frightening because , until not very long ago, gay people were subjected to all kinds of therapies, punishments, discrimination and ”cures” which were damaging, humiliating, even life-threatening. Until the 1960′s in Holland gay men were castrated. In many countreis today gay people are ”treated”, punished, discrimrinated against, even killed, by people who pretend to want to help or save us, though they in fact only wish to get rid of people whom they consider inferior and a blight in their eyes. And we all know that this can happen to us here all over again. En fin, this silly woman should inform herself before making harmful, hurtful pronouncements.
Well done Robert! That is exactly what it is. It’s not us that has the problem!
The bible says homosexual acts are sinful and deviant. You say not> Who to believe. Some ill informed fudge packing deviant or the sacred text of the creator?
Will people not get it into their heads that homosexuality can be no more cured than heterosexuality!? All they will do is bury it and learn to ignore what their body and mind desires. THAT is not a cure! And people like Widdecombe need to keep their nose out of something they know nothing about.
I don’t know how it feels to be straight, so I would never try to advise someone on how to deal with it. Oh wait, nobody expects straight people don’t HAVE to learn to deal with it! How nice for them….
*Mickie wobbles a little as she steps down from the VERY tall soapbox*
BLESS YOU ANN….YOUR PROBABLY A LESBIAN…..BUT YOU ARE ALSO A CONVERT….TO CATHOLIC….WHAT CAN YOU SAY….
Hey don’t give us to us!!! lol We don’t want the silly cow!!! lol She’s a sexuality ALL of her own! Nobody in the LGBT world will claim this woman!!!
Sorry I meant don’t give HER to us!! lol Slight typo!
I can’t believe that in this day and age, people still come out with this bollocks. You are born the way you are and you cannot change your sexual orientation, when will people just accept that?
Millions have managd to control their paedophilia despite being born with it. Immoral leaning can be controlled.
Got a new suit for the impending prosecution Keith.?
I hope PN send a photographer to the court …
Ignore the Keith troll under its plethora of names. It feeds on any attention good or bad. Note its attempts at provocation here.
It usually is best to ignore him
But I am so pleased to hear the good news from the publisher at PN that the police are seriously investigating … Hopefully my statement has been added to the other evidence …
Bring it on!
Is she still on the go?!
People should realize that they the people that they are talking about are probably not happy because the way the world treats gays and not because they are gay. Unhappy gay people need therapy to help them adjust. I had issues because of my catholic family and there are many other religions that probably are teaching some people to hate themselves because of the way that god made them and they need help to realize that god made them that way for a reason. Now they have to discover that reason.
I fear she protests too much. No doubt she’ll be outed at some point. In the meanwhile she remains a bigotted unhappy ‘straight’ person. Perhaps she should go and get some therapy.
“I cannot understand the modern day emphasis and fascination and obsession with people’s private lives…It is not an issue and what we are doing now is encouraging your profession to go into everybody’s private lives.” says Widdecombe, who used to work for the Samaritans…who’s main focus is other peoples private lives!
So obviously has no idea what she’s talking bout which is why we ignore her like we’d ignore the drunk rambling man in the corner of the bar!
Will unhappy straight people be offered therapy to turn gay I wonder? Will they be given the experience of true equality in a relationship, no unwanted pregnancy and less pressure to conform to gender roles?
If there was an informed choice I reakon more people would want to be gay than straight. Be careful what you wish for Ann!
Being gay is not a choice, just as being straight is not a choice. The chemical balances in our brain determines sexual orientation before we are born. In our home our 4 wonderful well balanced, educated children were raised by two Moms and they thrived socially. We have 3 grandchildren and going to be great grandma’s in Sept. Our marriage and our relationship is solid.
I see Robert Winston has nothing to worry about!
Is my attraction to horses and pigs pre-birth also?
Congratulations, Kathy and Pat.. :D
Indeed, Jonpol – lovely comment. Thank you, Kathy and Pat.
I dont know what plannet Ann Widdecombe comes from, i know a lot of gay people and every one of them has told me that they were born the way they are and that there is no changing, what is she reverting back to the 1920s with electric shock treatment, perhaps she should try it on her self maybe it will make her go away silly woman.
Again, the mono-theists are forcing, encouraging, and accepting gay people, but only when they are presented as being ill, and thus capable of altering, fixing, or “curing” them.
This is sad, however, in the US, an estimated 30 million right-wing Christian evangelicals share the same view. It’s not that they can accept gay people for who they are, it’s that they will extend compassion only IF they alter their lifestyles.
Anyone in the medical field who is actively “helping” gay people should first explain that they won’t be able to change, and should help them to accept themselves. That, however, is not the aim of many religious groups.
Therapists, MDs, etc, who are part of this campaign SHOULD lose their licenses because it is quackery. The science on this is clear.
Imagine having sexual fantasies about Ann Widdecombe?
I’d rather not …
*goes to find an anti-emetic*
Ctrl+Alt+Delete and then disinfect this dreadful bigot.
What a sad closet lesbian this thing is!
A quote from the British Medical Association “Sexuality is such a fundamental part of who a person is, that attempts to change it just result in significant confusion, depression and even suicide. You can’t just wish away same-sex attraction no matter how inconvenient it might be. Therapy is this area has been shown to be dangerous and damaging to the individual and we do not condone or support it.”
A recent quote from the UK Council for Psychotherapy:
“The United Kingdom Council for Psychotherapy, … believes that offering “conversion” therapy designed to alter the sexual orientation of gay men is unethical.
Such therapy has been shown to be clinically unsound and, on occasion, very damaging. The UKCP considers that a “free speech” defence of such therapy is entirely specious.”
A further quote from the Royal College of Psychiatrists “Official sanction of homosexuality both as illness and (for men) a crime led to discrimination, inhumane treatments and shame, guilt and fear for gay men and lesbians. In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its diagnostic glossary of mental disorders. The International Classification of Diseases of the World Health Organisation followed suit in 1992. … This unfortunate history demonstrates how marginalisation of a group of people who have a particular personality feature (in this case homosexuality) can lead to harmful medical practice and a basis for discrimination in society. …”
It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by genetic factors (Mustanski et al, 2005) and/or the early uterine environment (Blanchard et al. 2006). Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice, though sexual behaviour clearly is. … The British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy has recently completed a systematic review of the world’s literature on LGB people’s experiences with psychotherapy (King et al., 2007). This evidence shows that although LGB people are open to seeking help with mental health problems they may be misunderstood by therapists who regard their homosexuality as the root cause of any presenting problem such as depression or anxiety. Unfortunately, therapists who behave in this way cause considerable distress.
A particularly good quote that one, Stu – says it all. Thank you for posting all these.
A small minority of therapists will even go so far as to attempt to change their client’s sexual orientation (Bartlett et al, 2001). This can be deeply damaging. Although there is now a number of therapists and organisation in the USA and in the UK that claim that therapy can help homosexuals to become heterosexual, there is no evidence that such change is possible. The best evidence for efficacy of any treatment comes from randomised clinical trials and no such trial has been carried out in this field. There are however at least two studies that have followed up LGB people who have undergone therapy with the aim of becoming heterosexual. Neither attempted to assess the patients before receiving therapy and both relied on the subjective accounts of people, who were asked to volunteer by the therapy organisations themselves (Spitzer, 2003) or who were recruited via the Internet (Shidlow and Schroeder, 2002).
The first study claimed that change was possible for a small minority (13%) of LGB people, most of who could be regarded as bisexual at the outset of therapy (Spitzer, 2003). The second showed little effect as well as considerable harm (Shidlow and Schroeder, 2002). Meanwhile, we know from historical evidence that treatments to change sexual orientation that were common in the 1960s and 1970s were very damaging to those patients who underwent them and affected no change in their sexual orientation (King, M. and Bartlett, A., 1999). In conclusion the evidence would suggest that there is no scientific or rational reason for treating LGB people any differently to their heterosexual counterparts. Socially inclusive, non-judgemental attitudes to LGB people who attend places of worship or who are religious leaders themselves will have positive consequences for LGB people as well as for the wider society in which they live.”
Perhaps heterosexual people with unsatisfactory personal or sex lives should therefore be offered aversion therapy on the NHS to turn them gay. Seems fair. Perhaps old Widdy should give it a try.
Ann Widdecombe is a prime example of a bigot; someone who eschews fact in favour of personal belief and prejudice.
Her ignorance is only surpassed by her arrogance that she is right whilst science is of no importance.
“Let unhappy gays try to turn straight.”
Well, obviously, it hasn’t worked for her.
Is there a similar therapy for heterosexuals who don’t want to be straight?? What a load of b****cks!!
Form way back, I have never known such an obvious butch dyke in denial as this dreadful bigot. Why can I say so? Cos i have 5 butch dyke friends who hate her. She really needs to despeartely get a life because she’ll have so many regrets when she gets older- a life wasted in hding and hatred.
Yes, she MUST be so obvious to them, but in her case, a dyke-o-saurus!
Dear Ann back up please put your head back up your butt and go away
The one question these people never address is the real reason why a person would seek to change his/her sexual orientation. That from day one, we are told that being LGBT is sick, wrong, immoral, evil. Never that telling somebody that he/she is sick, wrong, immoral, evil is itself sick, wrong, immoral, evil.
I’ll say it for all of us: What. A. Bitch.
She is so full of faeces! i mean if somebody is unhappy with their orentation then help them ! don’t spew out bull about how they can change !
Would Ann Widdecome be as vocal in supporting “straights who do not want to be straight”? I doubt it.
Judging by the number of hitherto straights who do come out as bi or gay, I think there are indeed a good deal more unhappy straights who’d like to “turn gay”. If Widdecome wasn’t simply homophobic, she’d support those people, too.
After all, to take her at face value, isn’t she just trying to promote maximum human happiness. So, why wouldn’t she support the rescue of gay people trapped in the straight lifestyles that are making them unhappy?
Just because she found it easy to change her hair colour from black to blond she thinks she can apply the same principles to a persons sexuality! She is seriously a sandwich short of a picnic!
I thank God that she is no longer in Parliament.
What a sad, sad misinformed woman this is. She did not mind undergoing the knife to have a total facelift, and her own marriage broke down, so I would not listen to any advice she gives.
If the top psychiatrists have spoken about the negativity of trying to re-program a gay man to become straight. then I would not hesitate in believing them. We have enough straight irresponsible hateful people in this world, why would we want more?
Gay and very proud of it. If I had the choice of being born straight, I would choose being gay again. There is a lot to me besides being gay, thats not what makes me who I am, that is just a part of me.
To all of these quacks and religious people trying to turn gay people straight…we don’t live in the dark ages anymore, and stop purporting to be able to change people, that is so highly arrogant and medieval.
she hasn’t been married has she?
Ann Widdecombe has always been a law unto herself but some things are immutable despite her best efforts. The unhappiness of homosexuals is attributable mainly to the ignorant hostility of people such as Ann Widdecombe. Where acceptance and the resulting stability prevail, homosexuals are as happy with their lot as, for instance, three times-divorced men keeping up with their families. The rest is poisonous hot air – and Ann Widdecombe knows this only too well.
Let unhappy gay afflicted by any kind of religion try to turn agnostic at least. There’ll be less of the old feelings of guilt for being what you are.
If someone is unhappy with their sexuality, changing it will not bring them happiness. it will only bring a different kind of unhappiness. Maybe the government and public figures should work towards making a truly inclusive society not one in which polar views can be expressed to gain points!
When people like Ann Widdecombe realise that the only thing that distinguishes gay people from straight people is who they go to bed with (and that is non of her business) people will stop seeing a raisen d’etre for gay cures as there is nothing to cure.
How can we criticise this woman, this paragon of virtue and chastity? Obviously gay cure therapy worked for Ann, even if she’s never been able to bring herself to find a man attractive, she’s stayed celibate and free of those evil, evil homosexual thoughts! (And since I’m unsure of whether my comment’s sarcasm will be adequately expressed via a purely textual medium…)
I am amazed that she managed not to see and appreciate all those happy gays she was dancing (sic) with on the telly.
Maybe she did, but realised as a two-faced-old-cow working for a right wing scribble sheet, that a different view would keep the money rolling in
We laughed at and with her as a ‘grumpy old woman’ but we can only feel sorry for this ‘mentally challenged old woman’.
So will they help straight people who are unhappy with being straight and want to be gay too? Or if I feel I should of been born a dolphin will they fund me to have surgery in my legs to turn them into a flipper?