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  1. Is it the policy of the Scottish Conservatives or Scottish Labour Party to support marriage equality? That sadly isn’t the case of their UK-wide counterparts.

    1. James Incer 1 Feb 2012, 12:08pm

      Both the national and Scottish Conservatives support marriage equality, and I believe the case is the same for Labour.

    2. @Dave

      All four Scottish opposition parties have policies of supporting marriage equality and that is reinforced by all four opposition leaders supporting the Scottish Equal Marriage Pledge …

      As for the policiies of the Westminster based Conservative and Labour party …

      When David Cameron and Ed Milliband are clear in their public statements that equal marriage is something they seek, support and encourage then it is disingenuous to suggest that it is not party policy …
      Did the Conservative party seek to renounce their leaders policy on equal marriage at their Manchester conference? No. Have many Labour members publically sought to distance themselves from Milliband or Harman on the basis of their support of equal marriage? No …

      1. Dave Page 1 Feb 2012, 5:25pm

        If it’s party policy just because Ed Miliband says it is, then why did LGBT Labour try (and fail) to get a policy motion on marriage equality through the emergency ballot at their September 2010 conference?

        I’m prepared to believe that the leader of the Conservatives can dictate policy to the party, but I haven’t seen anything that actually confirms that.

        1. So you would accept one political leader making their policy but not another … isn’t that judging two people in similar positions by double standards?

          1. Dave Page 2 Feb 2012, 4:34pm

            No, different parties have different rules about how their party policy is agreed. In Labour’s case, the fact that LGBT Labour tried to submit a policy motion suggests that one is needed for it to be party policy. I’m not aware what the policy-making process in the Conservatives is.

            You asserted that Cameron and Miliband stating their personal support for equal marriage made it the policy of their respective parties; I merely commented that it doesn’t seem to be true in the case of Labour, and might be in the case of the Tories.

          2. Dave Page, this might clear up the Tories policy on gay marriage:

            We are allowing those religious premises that wish to do so to register civil partnerships and we will consult next year on how to introduce same-sex civil marriage.

            In other words, same sex marriage IS party policy.

  2. I would move there if the weather weren’t so bad.

    1. you forgot about those blood sucking midgies! >.< lol

  3. It’s actually pretty impressive.

    The ruling Scottish Nationals, the Scottish Conservatives, Scottish Labour, Scottish Liberal Democrats and Scottish Greens support gay marriage. It’s across the spectrum.

  4. It’s excellent that all of the leaders have signed up in support of this. Hopefully now the rest of their parties will follow suit without too much protest

  5. Bill (Scotland) 1 Feb 2012, 11:45am

    Very encouraging indeed – and it means I may have a choice of whether to get married here or in Spain, rather than just the latter.

    1. Both locations tempting in very different ways …

  6. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Feb 2012, 11:55am

    Well done, Scotland! Puts England to shame. Where exactly are the Labour and Conservative Parties in all this? NOWHERE. Maybe this will light a fire under their lazy arses. Scotland enacting marriage equality ahead of England won’t put them in a very good position. About time Labour and Tory parties adopted marriage equality as official party policy.

    1. James Incer 1 Feb 2012, 12:10pm

      Dear Robert,

      Actually the Conservatives have done quite a lot to forward the cause of marriage equality. Religious civil partnerships are coming into effect this year, and David Cameron has set a target of the end of this parliament (2015) to have gay civil marriage as well.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Feb 2012, 1:09pm

        James, yes, I’m aware, more importantly though the Conservative Party needs to endorse it as official policy which will force Labour to follow suit. We’ve not seen that yet. It needs to happen to make introducing legislation and passing it that much easier in Parliament before heading to the House of Lords. I think a conservative party officialy endorsing it will garner enough support in the House to legalise it before the end of the current Parliament, irrespective of opposition from the 26 Anglican clerics in the House.

      2. Religious civil partnerships mean NOTHING to those of us who wish to be treated equally under the eyes of the law.

        Especially seeing as it is only very minor cults who have very low membership who will offer them. And especially seeing as the major cults – catholicism, cult of England; islam etc have absolutely zero intention of allowing marriage equality.

        ONLY equal access to civil marriage is sufficient.

  7. Unitarians also attended this reception to express support for same-sex marriage (including a member of the national executive committee).

  8. There is no further need for a consulation about marriage equality (it is grossly offensive and undemocratic to require a consultation on equality for all citizens.).

    Now that all parties support equality then I see no reason why there should not be marriage equality in Scotland before the summer parliamentary recess.

    No further delays are acceptable.

    Marriage equality needs to happen by the summer time.

    No ‘ifs’, ‘ands’ or ‘buts’ about it.

    The SNP needs to announce the date for the parliamentary vote on marriage equality immediately.

    1. Would the person who voted down my comment, please explain why the SNP should NOT set the date for a parliamentary vote on marriage equality.

      Because if the will existed then we’d have marriage equality by June.

      I suspect that this ridiculous ‘consultation’ on equality (offensive as that sounds) is merely a stalling tactic to delay equality.

      1. Although it wasn’t myself that voted your comment down I would like to say that I don’t see an issue with the SNP having a consultation period. If nothing else it allows those who’s views oppose equality to blow their hot air in public, allows these opinions to be tackled publicly to show them up for the nonsense they are and then once we are granted equality(which I’m certain we will be) then nobody can cry victim as their points have been heard, addressed and refuted publicly leaving no room for any backtracking.

        The delaying of the consultation at Westminster is an entirely different subject to my mind which I can’t defend, perhaps Mr Cameron is simply waiting for us to bring it in then use that as a vehicle to progress it in the rest of the UK, who knows.

        1. I’m afraid that legally, there must be a consultation.

          All bills to be passed by the Scottish Parliament must follow due process. That includes the publication of a draft bill, a consultation stage, and three Parliamentary stages.

          These checks and balances are important in a democracy.

          It is the same for ALL bills. Contentious or not.

          1. There is NO legal requirement for a consultation to be held for a bill in the Scottish Parliament.

  9. Stuart Neyton 1 Feb 2012, 1:18pm

    It’s wonderful to see unity on this issue. I just wish they’d hurry up and get on with it.

    Just a bit of pedantry, Patrick Harvie is not “leader of the Scottish Green Party”, he’s co-convenor.

    1. The ‘consultation’ is merely a stalling tactic (as it is in England and Wales) as the parties are too afraid of alienating the religious extremists (whose views are in sync with far right parties like the BNP).

      I wish these politicians had enough of a spine to face the religious cults and state ‘Please stop interfering with our democracy’.

      1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Feb 2012, 1:46pm

        I doubt if that will ever happen because it would play right into their hands. They’ll turn around and play the victim card. I think Cameron is smarter than that. He has some personal issues with his Anglican faith anyway, What I think will happen will be the emphasis on religious denominations not being forced to officiate or recognise same-sex marriages, the same language used for religious CPs. Since the C of E’s legal team found that there was nothing in the new law affecting religious denominations’ unwillingness to accommodate gay couples, it will have an even harder time raising the issue again. The only argument will be the religious notion of marriage by the C of E which seems to think that it owns civil marriage, but it’s merely a red herring to make noise in case they lose more of their congregants, already at an all time low, the people who provide them with financial assistance to keep them just about buoyant.

      2. Isn’t the fact that they have all signed up to marriage equality already going against the “religious extremists”?

        I want to have equal marriage as much as the next person but I’d rather things took a bit more time and done right rather than having it forced through immediately which causes problems.

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Feb 2012, 2:30pm

          I suspect Scotland will pass it before the end of 2015, sooner than England which will probably make it inevitable in England and Wales.

  10. Looking forward to a civil marriage in Scotland then!

  11. God Bless them for doing something right.

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