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Gay marriage equality in Scotland ‘by the end of 2013’

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  1. Awesome! bring it on. English & Welsh LGBT couples will be eloping over the border to Gretna Green…
    Scottish Pagan celebrants also want to conduct same-sex marriages.

    1. Father Ted 1 Feb 2012, 5:26pm

      Once Scotland allows it, there will be an even stronger ECHR case for the rest of the UK having it.

      1. Apart from N.Ireland of course – we will probably have to wait until our mob are dragged through every court in Europe before we get equality – and they are quite adept at being sly to ensure even if it seems they are complying they will drop some legal bomb to stymie it further. It took 10 extra years and the European court to decriminalise homosexuality here (even then Margaret Thatcher was forced by the European Court to sign it in by executive order over our politicians heads) and they haven’t moderated much since.

      2. GingerlyColors 2 Feb 2012, 6:46am

        What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

  2. Well done Scotland, but why wait so long to enshrine it in law? And so much for the Church of Scotland, as it says in the report people ofmany faiths support equality. Will the church now listen to the people? I doubt it

    1. Concerned resident E3 2 Feb 2012, 12:53pm

      The church of Scotland has at least left the door open to debate within the church and previously tacitly supported civil partnerships, which is more than can be said for the Catholics or church of england. As for thE length of time for legislation. The consultation has just finished. This will have to be considered before a bill can be brought forward. That bill will need to be debated and scrutinised before being passed into legislation. Then there will have to be a period as there was with civil partnerships for guidelines to be issued and registering officers retrained before it can finally be implemented.

  3. Again – there is no cogent secular argument to oppose marriage equality. Denying it forces people (including those who would welcome LGBT people in to their church) in to compliance with someone else’s faith. My life should not be subject to a stranger’s belief in fairy tales.

    1. Ross wright 4 Feb 2012, 3:51pm

      In Scotland 58% of marriages are secular…..The Humanist Sciety Scotland believes fundamentally in equality. It conducts more legal weddings than the Catholic church and is campaigning strong to allow same sex secular couples the right to marry (which will be either in a registry office or by one of our celebrants)… supernatural influence necessary!
      We do , however, support the right of any belief system or religious people to have the right to marry people….or indeed not to marry if that’s where their dogma leads

  4. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Feb 2012, 4:55pm

    Will be interesting to see how this pans out in England.

    1. Father Ted 1 Feb 2012, 5:23pm

      Thee are almost no Conservatives in Scotland. England has a few left.

  5. My respects to Tim Hopkins and his organisation for exemplary planning and lobbying.

  6. Father Ted 1 Feb 2012, 5:20pm

    Time for us all to don our thermal underwear and move north of the border!

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 1 Feb 2012, 5:47pm

    Why is it England doesn’t have just such a pledge? StonewallUK hasn’t exactly been pro-active. It should have been out there instead of waiting for the consultation to begin. What is it doing exactly, waiting for an invitation?

    1. Father Ted 1 Feb 2012, 9:57pm

      Why don’t you join them and make them more pro-active? Or are you also waiting for an invitation?

    2. They make it perfectly clear that marriage is not their number one priority. I think we need another organisation committed to this, modelled on the Scottish one.

    3. Concerned resident E3 2 Feb 2012, 12:54pm

      Stonewall is a total disaster under Ben. Bring back Angela!

  8. good. why is it taking so long?

  9. Big Jessie O’Brien won’t like it!

  10. Meanwhile CaMoron is busy diverting money from cancer patients into the pockets of bankers and his supporters.

  11. Marriage by its very nature is between a man and a woman and it is the essential foundation of family life.

    Homosexuals are not the ‘same’ as heterosexuals, therefore they should not ave the same rights as them.

    1. the thing i always ask people like you is always simple.

      how exactly does 2 people getting married (straight or gay) affect you?

      1. Because keeping gay marriage illegal is the only thing that stops him running off with the milkman… Of course, delusional wingnuts like Kyle fail to notice that LGBT can and do have families of their own.

        1. At that we are as human as they are and vice versa…

    2. Black people are not the same as white people – should they have different rights?

      Jews are not the same as Muslims or atheists … should any of them have different rights?

      Women are not the same as men should they have different rights?

      Blind people are not the same as people without visual impairments – should they have different rights?

      Red heads are not the same as blondes … should they have different rights?

      If the answer to any of those questions is yes – please, do explain why …

      If the answer is no, then please explain why homosexuals should have different rights because they are different if its not the case in the other scenarios ….

    3. “Homosexuals are not the ‘same’ as heterosexuals”

      We’re better. Obviously more educated for starters, if your delightful cut’n’paste comments are any benchmark.

      1. GingerlyColors 2 Feb 2012, 6:49am

        They say that God made intelligent people gay so they won’t be burdened with children.

      2. @Will

        Indeed (about cut and paste – and substance of Kyles comments (they dont have enough substance to be called an argument!))

        I might just cut and paste my piece to his identical post elsewhere … lol

        1. Well, Stu, wherever you go, the crazies seem to follow :)

          1. It keeps life entertaining …

            They don’t need to bother though …

  12. Scotland is paving the way for true equality! So I wonder how it will be for us down south of the border? I hope it will soon get through in the rest of the UK … It could take a long time. I think a move to Scotland is on the cards…!

  13. This was a fantastic event and the biggest of its kind help in the Scottish Parliament, well done to all who organised it! The cross-party support ensures that the legislation will pass through Parliament without hardly any opposition. Well done Scotland for setting the standard in the UK.

  14. Fantastic move….I am scottish an my parents brought me to Australia!
    Typical…..You WAIT for everything here , just sooooooo slow.

  15. I wonder how trans folk will actually be treated in Scotland?

    I have not thought this through yet but the following comes to mind.

    Post equal marriage in Scotland, if a married trans person applies for a GRC, as the GRA currently stands, the application must be refused. The UK Parliament will thus be required to amend the GRA to coincide with marriage equalisation in Scotland. Without this, the trans marriage problem will not be resolved in Scotland?

    On what will the amendment be based – if you are Scots, where you were married, where you live etc?

    On the assumption that the GRA will be amended for Scots applicants, I as a married trans person living in England (of Scots descent), will I be able to reside in Scotland and make an application for a gender recognition certificate and remain married?

    How is all of this going to work?

    If there are issues here, it may well be that the Scots will be coerced into delaying equal marriage to coincide with the rest of the UK.

    1. @Paula

      I might be wrong, but I suspect it will be an issue that some of those trying to progress (and indeed those trying to inhibit) equal marriage in Scotland have either not considered or not considered fully …

      I would hope that if the proposals for equal marriage are to be taken forward (and I strongly hope that they are), then *if* there are unresolved technicalities then the law would progress and measures be sought to resolve technicalities which are an issue for trans people.

      If the issues are more significant than mere technicalities then there may need to be some re-drafting …

      It must be noted that most new legislation does require some reworking when issues that have not been fully considered or thought through are identified after enactment … One would hope that good legislators would consider trans issues as being relevant in equal marriage proposals, however! (It remains to be seen, when the consultation results and subsequent proposed legislation is drafted!) .

      1. Consultation results??? Are you serious??? What are the LGBTT folks in government doing, apart from pocketing the money of cancer patients???

        1. Some people are either stupid or malicious to subscribe to totally unnecessary consultation narratives … you should challenge governments directly on why they’re not including trans folks … Don’t they know they exist??? You bet …

        2. @Beberts – oh fount of wisdom

          So tell us what is the SNP position on trans people in the forthcoming developments on equal marriage …

          Please feel free to enlighten us with your demonstrative and enthralling pearls of widsdom

          (Tongue firmly in cheek!)

          1. People have been throwing enlightenment around for eons darling. Understanding and absorbing it is a different matter.

          2. Soundbites again, Beberts …

            Refusing to answer questions …

            Tell us how any of your comments relate to the Scottish position and what the SNP position is on trans people in equal marriage – thats what this thread is about …

            Can you manage that?

  16. This is amazing. :D
    The UK is finally making progress. Go Scotland! Should be here in Wales in no time.
    The thing I wonder is, what will happen if say, a gay couple marry in Scotland and then move to Wales or England? Will their marriage still be valid and accepted if it technically doesn’t exist in the law?
    Can someone shed some light on this, if anyone knows? :) Thanks.

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