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  1. Why is a man who abandoned his own brother in his hour of need being interviewed when his own homophodia contributed to his borthers death????

    1. because time and tragedy can change people’s beliefs

    2. auntie babs 30 Jan 2012, 5:02pm

      yes I was thinking that, didn’t John publicily announce that he disowned his brother when he originally came out? Apologies if I’m wrong, but I’m sure that I read a newspaper article on it at the time..

    3. I get the impression that his daughter wasn’t entirely aware of her father’s opinion of the matter until she made this documentary.

    4. Watching it now, and her dad seems like a prick.

  2. Another sad story about how the Christians have influenced people to make them hate and destroy a footballer and how everyone else is hiding in the closet in fear of the Christians pointing their evil boney fingers at you and calling you gay. Time to free the gays people time to free the gays.

    1. Don’t think ‘Christians’ were mentioned in this story. Perhaps you could make fewer sweeping statements.

    2. What a bigotted twerp! Guys like you trivialise more important issues by your stupid comments.

    3. Are you on crack?

  3. John McGovern, former Nottingham Forrest Team Captain’s comments were widely reported. When asked about his club’s manager Brian Clough calling Fashanu a ‘poof’, he says: “I don’t even call that discrimination. It’s another word for what we’re talking about, being a homosexual.”

    What the hell is that idiot talking about? Yes calling someone a poof is discrimination it’s also bullying. I’m sorry but Clough may have been a good manager but as far as I’m concerned he was a twat for what he did.

  4. Britain’s gay footballers is a subject that needs addressing. If there are 5000 professional footballers in Britain then, presumably, there are at least 150 professional footballers in Britain who are gay.
    And homophobic sentiments such as those attributed to Brian Clough need to be defined for what they are . . . the utterances of a moron.

  5. It was well presented and well put together I thought with a wide range of relevant views sought. Sensitive issue, sensitively dealt with. Enjoyed Joey Barton’s interview, sometimes support comes from unexpected quarters.

  6. Blatant homophobia from John McGovern. I believe he currently works for BBC sport. He shouldn’t be with his obvious homophobic views.

    1. I twittered the BBC last night over this. His attitude was horrible. Apparently he doesn’t know what the term “poof” means either?

      I would urge people to complain to BBC sport about this man’s conduct in the interview, at one point I thought he was going to attack her for asking some pretty basic questions.

  7. The idea your family would publicly disown you because your gay is disgusting to me. Sadly even today its something many of us still face.

  8. Helen Wilson 31 Jan 2012, 1:01am

    Yet again we see Max Clifford peddling his lies to keep gay footballers in the closet. Maybe if the FA sought to ban players from using Clifford football would start moving forward and gay players would come out.

    As for John Fashanu it seems he is still in denial about the consequences of his rejection of Justin.

    1. Helen- It’s in Max Clifford’s interest to KEEp them in – and then he can charge for his services in manufacturing “straight” stories about them to plant in the newspapers- who are only too happy to print salacious fictional stories to boost their circulations. It’s all part of the money- spinning wheel going round- everybody’s happy!!????

  9. It was a good documentary and well presented. However, the way John Fashanu lied to his daughter was terrible. You could also see when she asked him looking back now would he change anything, he never actually answered the question. We can only assume that he would not. He was more worried about the Fashanu name than he was about his own brothers well being.

    1. Judging by the programme I can’t see much progress being made anytime soon . She concentrated on mainstream players …I thought she might have sought the views of those in teams comprised of gay players of which there are a number around .

  10. Let also remember that John Fashnau came oyt in the sun of all papers. And he didn’t seem to get much support from the gay community

    1. I should add I feel sorry for the guy but the way he handled his comming out way terrible.

      Ads on sunday night TV saying a footballer will come out when I saw it i though you bloody idiot. Hardly any black gay guys out there and you make a mockery of your self in the sun

      This article gives a more indepth insight into the who saga.

  11. It doesn’t really matter regarding the circumstances of whom he came out too. What matters is that he did – he did something incredibly brave at a time when being gay was regarded as disgusting full stop. We forget that attitudes have changed so dramatically over the past 30 years.

    John McGovern was disgusting. I feel that he didn’t take the issue seriously at all, I don’t even think he liked being interviewed by a woman. He was openly defensive and hostile in places and the BBC should really re-think his contract.

    John Fashanu is a cretin. Evasive, false and unable to even open up to his daugther (they appeared estranged anyhow).

    Turning your back on your brother over jealousy tells us all we need to know about him.

    1. Justin may have been alive today if he was given some proper support. There was no reason for him to come out like that to the whole country. It was not brave it was foolish and cost him his life

      1. Perhaps it was foolish. Perhaps it wasn’t the right time.

        I disagree that it cost him his life though. He was already on a downward sprial (in part because of his sexuality – Peter Thatchell described some of his conversations with him).

        I believe it was because he just didn’t receive the physical support he needed. There were no organisations to support him, nor were there positive role models like we have today.

        1. I think it cost his life.

          no matter how bad things were before he had some privacy. From the moment he spoke to the papers he was on show and his choices were bad.

          He seemed to be adrift with no one to guide him. Gareth Thomas has good PR and support from friends and fans. Justin got disowned by his family and seemed to have no one backing him up in the media. He seemed lost

  12. This drivel packed all the hard-hitting clout of a sleepy Teletubby after a nice cup of warm cocoa.

    All I could think, after having to cringe through most of it, was; what an alarming opportunity missed to expose a glaring deficiency in the game I love and society in general.

    We are introduced to a Mini-Cooper driving Sloaney, Amal Fashanu, who has her belief system routinely reversed each time she’s lead by the people she’s talking to, at any particular time, like a baby sheep trotting blissfully unaware toward a man with a blood-stained white apron.

    I mean for goodness sake- Amal Fashanu, what a calamitous cock-up.

    Amal is the niece of Justin Fashanu, to date, the only openly gay footballer in England who tragically hanged himself in 1998 after years of personal torment and castigation from his friends, colleagues and family. This, is where her credibility to be on the programme starts and ends. A five minute interview with her for the show would have been arduous enough, but

  13. Absolutely fantastic documentary, sensitively and touchingly handled by Amal!

    It occurs to me that the problem isn’t so much “gay” footballer’s refusal to come out as such:- rather the gay community’s exectations of them to.

    Many gay people define themselves by their sexuality, but surely a footballer attracted to other men defines himself, first and foremost, by his sport?

    Why is it necessary to come out when he risks being verbally abused by thousands of spectators every Saturday afternoon?

    I’ll bet most of us on here would prefer a quiet life any day over a decisioon that would turn your life upside down unless you were at the end of your career and self-assured and confident to the degree that Gareth Davies was when he made his decision.

    And I’m sure many such footballers today don’t even identify as “gay” per se, as society increasingly discards limiting sexual labels that conveniently seek to pigeon-hole and stereotype what is, after all, only one aspect of who they are.

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