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Amsterdam’s ‘gay cure’ rabbi ‘fears for his life’

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  1. After attacking the gay community with his vile views, he now tries to make himself a victim. Come on. We’re not falling for that balony.

    1. I have no reason to believe that those signing petition have changed and are happier now. Good for them if so. But God made me gay and I do not want to act against His will. Sue me rabbi.

  2. Helen Wilson 27 Jan 2012, 5:00pm

    Has a LGBT person ever murdered a religionist because of what they believe?

    1. I guess it might have happened … but can’t recall a case …

      Whereas, I can think of quite a few in the reverse …

    2. ……well there were rumours about Hitlers sexuality!!!
      lol

      1. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 28 Jan 2012, 4:40pm

        Yes, there are rumours but they are just rumours. Hitler was NOT homosexual. Rohm was the gay one – whom Hitler had murdered. Hitler was also a christian, and believed in christian morality.

  3. Sounds like a weak attempt at deflection …

    He mentions that returning to the Netherlands could place his life in danger – intriguingly he seems reluctant to explain why he perceives his life is in danger.

    Of course, he was suspended after he signed a statement which rejects homosexuality as a lifestyle and describes it as an illness which can be cured.

    Although he claims in an interview with the Jerusalem Post that the torah declaration does not explicity (interesting word choice) describe homosexuality as a disease. (Perhaps he sees it as more implicit, although it seems startingly obvious to many that this is exactly what the declaration says).

    Interesting article on the Torah declaration:
    http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/01/gay-orthodox-and-fed-up-with-frum-homophobia-and-the-torah-declaration.html

  4. Religion makes reasonable people do and say ridiculous things.

    1. In fairness, so does football.

  5. So he feels he’s been unjustly stigmatised and made to feel like a pariah?
    Funny, I thought karma was a tenet of Hindu and Buddhist religion. Who knew?

    1. Paddyswurds 27 Jan 2012, 11:40pm

      @Flapjack…
      …..Buddhism is NOT a religion but a way of life…..

      1. yes and its basic teachings are extremely homophobic

        1. No they’re not. Quite the reverse.

        2. My point was more about karma as a concept than about Buddhism as such, so I think we’re straying off topic here.
          For what it’s worth I’m not buddhist either.

        3. You know NOTHING about Buddhism. Buddhism is NOT homophobic and Buddhism has no prohibitions against homosexuality and no anti-gay culture.

          Why do people make such ignorant proclamations when they have absolutely NO idea what they’re talking about?

      2. bobbleobble 28 Jan 2012, 12:18am

        Buddhism IS a religion. It’s as much of a proselytising religion as any of the others, you do good things (ie what the Buddhist monks tell you to do) and you stop repeating the cycle and go to Nirvana, you do bad things (ie what the monks tell you not to do) and you keep coming back and suffering.

        I don’t know why people persist with this nonsense idea that Buddhisms is anything other than it is. Sure it’s repackaged itself to appeal to the West but just check out how it’s practiced in the East before you decide it’s not a religion.

        1. Religion usually demand a worshiping of a God.
          Buddhism is more of a philosophy and way of life.

        2. If by religion you mean a belief in “God” or an all powerful creator and judge, then Buddhism is most certainly not a religion since it has none of that. If you by religion you mean a life philosophy for finding happiness and satisfaction, then yes, Buddhism is a religion.

          I lived in Sri Lanka for 10 years and I can tell you that YOU are the one who knows nothing about Buddhism. If anything, westerners have tried to CHRISTIANIZE Buddhism, adding Christian style shame, guilt, judgementalism and fear to a spirituality that has none of those things.

      3. Buddhism is a tradition that focuses on personal spiritual development. Buddhists strive for a deep insight into the true nature of life and do not worship gods or deities.

  6. why do i find this hard to believe….

  7. Good hah!

  8. He felt for his safety? Well, welcome to our lives…..

  9. DJ Sheepiesheep 27 Jan 2012, 6:30pm

    That’s vile and in very poor taste. But then I suppose there are idiots in every community.

    1. Yes there are – you have made my point for me DH

      1. de Villiers 27 Jan 2012, 7:43pm

        A joke about the slaughter of innocent Jews amounting to ethnic cleansing on grounds of race is disgusting.

    2. What has happened in the past was disgusting and I, nor most sensible people would say any different.
      However now is now and we are in a different time. In my life and in that of many gay people we have, on a day to day basis, some kind of prejudice and yes, for many of us, fear.

  10. This man continues to slander our community, firstly through attaching his name to this bizarre coterie of deluded souls who wish to damage others by somehow syndicating their own damaged mental health, and now, when he feels as if this maybe challenged (fancy that in a modern society?), talks of fearing for his life. This seems to me like a bit of a drama queen, unable to manage the consequences of his own actions and who would rather continue to throw it back at us by painting us as as intolerant, dangerous, psychopaths. Now that I’ve typed that it could be a description of the man himself. If he had the genuine courage of his convictions then he should not be afraid to face the world objectively, rather than continue to fictionalise the gay community.

  11. Amsterdam’s ‘gay cure’ rabbi ‘fears for his life’

    Oh! Poor thing, I guess that will be his straight life. Why won’t the gays leave the homophobes alone!!!

    1. Lol – they must feel positively haunted poor things – all that rational argument they have to keep deflecting…

  12. Helen Wilson 27 Jan 2012, 7:39pm

    If rabbi Aryeh Ralbag is that scared of being murdered in New York, maybe he should move to Amsterdam, the murder rate is nearly 80% lower.

  13. Amos Lassen 27 Jan 2012, 8:36pm

    fears for his life? He is really crazy. How did someone like this ever get to become a rabbi? Are we sure this man is even human? What a total embarrassment to the entire world.

    1. Amos, you should read about the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel who feel free to spit in non-Orthodox Jewish women walking in the streets just because of the way they dress. Disgusting.

  14. The Dutch Jewish community has been the same since the 17th century when they excommunicated the great philosopher Baruch Spinoza, so this is not really surprising from them.

  15. Myles MacLean 27 Jan 2012, 10:24pm

    Intelligence has never been a necessity for a religious leader.Chutzpah,yes,but never intelligence!

  16. Is that the same branch of fundamentalist Judaism that murdered 3 youngsters at a gay youth centre in Israel a few years ago? Some one should tell him that gay people don’t murder their persecutors, we get murdered by religious nutters.

    1. The fact that such a blatantly religiophobic allegation — which has no supporting evidence — received so many up votes, shows that many commenters here are possessed with so much hatred they have lost touch with reality.

  17. Don’t forget he’s an AMERICAN Rabbi. Anti-gay American religionists are known for attacking gays and then when held accountable making ENTIRELY unfounded claims that they are victims of threats. They do it all the time but each and every time when they are challenged to file a police report and provide evidence of their claims they have NONE!

  18. carrie baker 28 Jan 2012, 2:00am

    This ignorant false prophet you as him how many times did he fear for the childrens lives that committed suicide because of the hate messages of him and other rabbis and false prophets, the children dead because of the evil defamations the twisted religious occults of satan evils, their monsters, their hippocrites and pedephiles, ted haggard and eddie long and a million, other, false prophets an priest that rapped young children with the arrestes of many priests at one time and the us archbishop in the united states, dont you sit and crack a sweat, and you have not cried for the families who loved their children and now they are dead when they had their whole young lives ahead of them wanting to live it happily and safely around safe people who loved them , instead running into monsters looking for trouble and causing trouble, the hate mongers stalking gay people and trying to violate their rights, the whole false prophet religious occults are a naional security threat,

  19. carrie baker 28 Jan 2012, 2:07am

    And not only that , what ABOUT THE IGNORANT TENNESEE LAWMAKER WHO SHOULD BE REPRIMANDED BY GLAAD AND OTHERS FOR HIS DEFAMATION AND LIE AND FALSE REPORT, THE ASSHOLE, IF HETEROSEXUAL MEN DID NOT HAVE AIDS, YOU ASSHOLE HOW DID MICHEAL JOHNSON GET IT , HE HAS A WIFE COOKIE, AND SOME KIDS, THE HIGH PROFESSIONS NFL STAR THAT WAS RECENTLY IN THE NEWS FOR TRYING TO PURPOSELY INFECT HIS WIFE WITH HIV AIDS, AND HE WAS IN TROUBLE WITH THE POLICE AND SHE DIVORCED HIM PUBLICLY, AN TOLD EVERYTHING ON THE NEWS, MICHEAL JOHNSON TOLD THE PEOPLE HONESTLY THE TRUTH, THAT THERE ARE MILLIONS OF ATLHELETS WITH SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DESEASES AND HIV AIDS, JUST LIKE HIM, HE SAID DID YOU THINK THAT HE WAS THE ONLY HETERSEXUAL MAN ON THE TEAMS THAT HUNG OUT AND PARTIED AT ORGIES AND MESSED AROUND, I DONT THINK SO, THE OTHER MEN WHERE AT THE SAME PARTIES DOING THE SAME THINGS, AND STILL DO, VERY FEW HETERSEXUAL MEN WHERE CONDUMS, AND ALOT OF HETERSEXUAL MEN LIKE TO TRY AND HAVE SEX WITH THEIR WIVES IN THE ANUS

  20. carrie baker 28 Jan 2012, 2:23am

    tHERE WAS A SURVEY TAKEN EARLY LAST YEAR ON HERESEXUAL MEN, AND IT CAME BACK THAT OVER64% OF THEM EVERYWHERE ARE CARRIERS OF SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DESEASES, AND ALOT OF HIV, THIS MAN HAD BETTER BE HAULED INTO A TALK SHOW AND CALL A GYNOCOLOGIST WHO CHECKS WOMENS HEALTH WHO ARE MARRIED, WHERE THE HELL DO HE THINK THESE HETERO SEXUALS WHO ARE FILLING THE DOCTORS OFFICE WITH HIV TREATMENT ARE GOING GETTING IT FOR, WHY HAVE THEY RUN OUT OF SO MANY DOSES OF HIV, WHY IS ALMOST ALL OF THE AFRICAN NATIONS HIV POSITIVE AN THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN TOO, THE GODDAM HETERSEXUAL MEN, THE GAY MEN DONT HAVE SEX WITH THOSE WOMEN, THE GAY MEN DONT HAVE SEX WITH THE WOMEN IN THE UNITED STATES, THE CATCH THEIR DESEASES FROM TH NASTY HETERSEXUAL MEN, WHO DONT LIKE TO WHERE CONDUMS, THERE ARE MORE GAY MEN WEARING CONDUMS THAN HETERSEXUAL, THATS A FACT THEY ARE A MORE CLEANER, MAN THAN THE HETERSEXUAL PERVERT, WHO LIKE TO RAPE KIDS, AND WOMEN, AND MURDER THEM EVERYDAY, GAY MEN DONT DO THAT EITHER,

  21. If he feels any real fear it is because of all the bad things he has done to LGBT people over the years and it is his own guilty conscience troubling him for all the bad things he has done to harm gays. He should try confession to expose his crimes against LGBT people and he might feel better and not have to live with a guilty conscience in fear.

    1. Dominick J. 30 Jan 2012, 7:20am

      No I say let him wallow in his misery of self persecution!!
      It’s fitting.. :O)

  22. GingerlyColors 28 Jan 2012, 6:54am

    Run rabbi – run rabbi – Run! Run! Run!
    Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!
    Goes my boyfriend’s gun.
    Run rabbi – run rabbi – Run! Run! Run!
    Don’t stop us gays having our fun! Fun! Fun!

    1. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 28 Jan 2012, 4:50pm

      Greg your message will sink without trace behind the ‘Show poorly-rated comment’ hyperlink – they don’t do violent words here.

      1. GingerlyColors 29 Jan 2012, 6:15am

        I apologise for any offence caused here. I would like to point out that I do find Jews in general to be a tolerant people but at the same time I do not differentiate between religious fundamentalists, be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish or any other kind.

    2. GingerlyColors 29 Jan 2012, 11:58am

      Before anybody replies to this ‘Dr. David Starkey moment’ of mine, I must point out that I have been bit of a dickhead for posting this version of the ‘Run Rabbit’ song here and I do again apologise for causing any offence. I wish I could delete it but Pink News does not seem to have any facility to enable users to take down postings that they regret putting up in the first place.

  23. From what I’ve read in the Dutch papers, the rabbi hasn’t been very specific about these ‘threats’ and I can’t imagine a gay death-squad going after his kind of bigot, without thinking of a couple of very gay hair-stylists giving him a make-over. Now, that would be fun!

    1. This is correct. Despite repeated questioning by the interviewer, all he will say is that he has been warned by people whom he trusts not to come to The Netherlands because his life and that of his wife could be in danger. He admits that it isn’t the police who have warned him, and in answer to the repeated questioning about which group might be threatening him, he just says “I prefer not to go into that, but perhaps you can guess.”

      Frankly no, I can’t guess who could be threatening him with his life. I can, however, guess which group he still wants to villify despite his earlier apology.

    2. stevesound 29 Jan 2012, 5:55pm

      He could start by shaving off that awful beard! Next, let’s do a wardrobe makeover; Black is soooo 1860; All the popular Rabbis will be wearing Mauve this spring…. Okay, seriously, it’s time to write off extremist religious people like this of all stripes as D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L! Children stop believing in Santa Claus around age 9 but if you can’t let go of belief in magical beings as a adult then you get to call yourself a Rabbi, Priest or Mullah…

  24. David Wainwright 28 Jan 2012, 10:36am

    He needs to “GET A LIFE ” in order to be in fear of losing it.

  25. Schools should teach religion with the same critical perspective that they teach all other subjects, maybe within the context of a compulsory philosophy course. It should point out all the incongruities in the Bible, as well as the arguments people make for getting around them.

    Teaching religion as if it is true, without analysis, is not education, it is brainwashing.

    1. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 28 Jan 2012, 4:57pm

      Religion isn’t a philosophy. It’s not even a history or literature and certainly it shouldn’t be compulsory. They should ask kids aged 16 if they want an introduction to a religion from both a theist and a non-theist. It should be optional, not obligatory. But then pigs fly.

      1. I do agree though that some critical analysis of religion is a useful tool in understanding where people are coming from in terms of their ideology … not in terms of accepting it …

        From a sociological viewpoint – critical analysis of others reasoning (or sometimes lack of reasoning) is a good thing …

      2. @Mr Ripley …

        I certainly wouldnt make it optional but a structured series of lectures and discussions on a varied themes of what some people believe and how they are perceived by others (a range of religions, agnostic and atheist views would be useful) … it could also be allied (if for example at post 16) to a brief introduction to political ideology on a factual basis of these are varying ideological views and their current and historic applications ….

        It might produce more balanced and informed citizens willing to contirbute to society and engage with others of similar and different world views …. (it might not, of course …) ….

  26. There are many more verses in the Torah that advocate slavery than those that condemn homosexuality. So why isn’t this rabbi campaigning for a return to slavery?

    1. Because his insular, church-bound bigotry doesn’t see race relations as an easy target. Life is so much more complicated outside the echo chamber!

    1. Apparently gay marriage will be discussed on “The Big Questions” tomorrow morning on BBC One

  27. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 28 Jan 2012, 5:27pm

    What is this man going on about?! He feels that he would be safer to stay away from the Netherlands, but is based in New York and has been for many years (at a glance 1983)… Is he saying that he signed the “gay cure” declaration in opposition to gay marriage?!

    Is he saying this because he’s trying to become a US citizen or something?!

    Doesn’t he realise we all could sign a declaration calling for religions to be disavowed? I bet it would get more than 25 signatures.

    Atheists of the world unite!

  28. Dr Robin Guthrie 29 Jan 2012, 3:50am

    Sorry Mr. Aryeh Ralbag. I refuse to offer you the distinction of Rabbi as you clearly have corrupted your religion.

    If you attack something and it turns round and defends itself, YOU are not the victim.

    Sh!t happens.

    Deal with it you coward and stop hiding behind your perceived religion as you have corrupted it.

  29. Good now he knows what it feels like on a day to day basis.

  30. stevesound 29 Jan 2012, 5:49pm

    “As contemporary traditional Jews we have an obligation to uphold Torah values whilst living as responsible citizens.”
    Replace ‘jews’ and ‘Torah’ with ‘christians/bible’ or ‘muslims/koran’ and you’ve got the same example of delusional myth-believers trying to impose their insanity on everyone else. Religious zealots love to profess these ‘truths’ and then hide their hate speech behind freedom of religion. It was the correct move to remove his ‘visitor status’ and send him back to the US where bigotry and delusion are sadly the norm these days.

  31. At this moment it is at 192 signatures. Have a look if one of them is next you.
    http://www.torahdec.org/Signatures.aspx

  32. Is this scumbag American or Dutch.

    I think that if he is American then it should be organised to have his residency and work permits for the Netherland permanently revoked.

    The Netherlands should not be welcoming foreign religious extremists into their country.

    1. Rashid Karapiet 6 Feb 2012, 11:29am

      —They have more than enough of their own—

  33. darkmoonman 30 Jan 2012, 2:07pm

    Can we say “drama queen”?

  34. Hey, maybe now he knows how gays feel!!

  35. evolutionisfact 6 Feb 2012, 3:38am

    Hmmm….It would appear that the majority of those signers come from YUP you guessed it: New York!! the VERY same New York that just legalized our marriage rights! Wonder if the poor jews are feeling a little left out in the cold? What with the VAST majority of SANE, RATIONAL individuals choosing to ignore these jew loons!!

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