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Data changes raise concerns for trans and intersex university students

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  1. “The proposed system would replace the current ‘gender’ field with one marked ‘sex’”

    Ridiculous! Why don’t they get rid of the gender box altogether? Why do they need to know? I should have the right to leave the gender/sex box BLANK if I so wish. This, however, is a step in the entirely wrong direction.

    1. Father Ted 26 Jan 2012, 5:54pm

      Perhaps it is to ensure that one gender isn’t being disadvantaged, e.g. women being undersubscribed. But the gender of the person at birth should be none of their business, just what they are now.

  2. Not sure I like where this is going. The test is will it allow more freedom or less freedom and if it is less then people need to fight for their rights and stop it, no matter what.

  3. Ridiculous. The system is fine as it is. More cissexist busybodies thinking they know what’s best for trans people, without even consulting trans people themselves. I would never put down my “birth” sex on ANY form, because it is completely redundant to me. I am male, and that is that. No one I don’t want to tell needs to know about my history. And the erasing of non-binary and intersex people shows how out of touch with the actual trans community these people are.

  4. essexgirlbecky 26 Jan 2012, 6:47pm

    I understand the need, for the purposes of equality monitoring , to find some way of capturing data pertaining to transgender people. However the collected information is can only be of value if it is consistent with the definitions of the protected characteristics set out in the Equality Act 2010. “Legal sex” is not one of the protected characteristics. For the purposes of establishing sex discrimination, one is either a man or a woman. Similarly, “is your gender identity the same as you were assigned at birth?” is not the same as “are you a person who has undergone, is undergoing or intending to undergo gender reassignment?”. This form is therefore not fit for purpose. However at the same time, this incident has also drawn attention to the guidance published by the Equality and Human Rights Commission as exemplar of best practice and which appears at first sight even more penetrable. It is to be hoped that the EHRC will review it as a matter of priority.

    1. What should be recorded is not someones legal sex or sex at birth but simply the gender in which the person currently lives (regardless of whether or not they have received a gender recognition certificate as the process of getting one is currently flawed by the discriminatory requirements to provide medical reports and to end any existing marriage or civil partnership).

      If they want to monitor how many students are transgender people or how many are proposing to undergo, undergoing or have undergone gender reassignment, then that should be a separate, optional and anonymous question not linked to the student’s academic record.

      It seems that the Equality Challenge Unit advising the Higher Education Statistics Agency is rather trans equality challenged.

      1. Right on

  5. It’s completely irrelevant whether or not it gets shouted from the rooftops or held in a cellar in Tasmania. I don’t want to be reminded of the contents of my knickers every time I speak to someone at university; it’s humiliating and it’s distressing. Besides, no-one else has ever checked; there is no reason for HESA to do so either. Such data would be completely useless. To be honest, it may have swayed me off the university pathway altogether.

  6. it is illegal. those of us with updated birth certificates and the ‘gender recognition certificate’ are protected by law from any reference to our birth gender.
    the closing statements, about data being ‘safe’ are a joke. no data is ‘safe’ these days.
    there are so many issues with this, it is hard to know where to being. i hope whatever ancient fossil thought it up simply dies.

  7. carrie baker 26 Jan 2012, 9:08pm

    Any discriminatins and bigotry in this university, you take to the aclu , the aclu must file lawsuit , all lgbt attorneys must get involved with the abuses of the lgbt children and families including the lgbt naitional task force for national security, Do not tolerate the abuses and stigmas to children in the schools , administrations must be reprimanded , sued and arrested for assaults and endangering the students, thru hate attacks and mistreatments, all school must have a gay alliance group, and mentors, established for saftey measures, all schools must be watched for abuses of children in everyway, because of the horrific violations on campuses everywhere , sex crimes to racism by fac;ulty and students, they must have on campus police security women that is not apart of the schools buddy system as well, keeping down abuses, and discriminations

    1. essexgirlbecky 26 Jan 2012, 11:25pm

      While I admire the sentiment, this is the UK and although it might sometimes seem otherwise, we have not yet joined the Republic. Having said that, I’m all for the American Civil Liberties Union taking up the matter on behalf of our transgender students. They could hardly do worse than the wholly inept, spineless and inappropriately named Equality and Human Rights Commission.

  8. Angela Erde 26 Jan 2012, 9:21pm

    Jennie, many thanks for writing this article and for pointing out yet another instance of intersex erasure.

  9. Angela Erde 26 Jan 2012, 9:23pm

    Jennie, thank you for writing this article and thank you for pointing out yet another example of that all-too-common disorder, intersex erasure.

  10. carrie baker 27 Jan 2012, 12:36am

    The Right ring wing must be reprimanded for trying to encourage a student in school to print defamations out against gay famlies and to try and make gay children feel bad, the rights ring must be reprimanded for instigating flamatory information of defamations, that has set off violence and abuses in the childrens schools an these wicked defamations has caused some gay children to comit suicides, the aclu and lgbt attorneys, everywhere and Glaad and human rights jugdes against hate crimes must act against the republican bigotry, in instigating , aiding and abedding hate crimes to be carried out by children, to other children, instead of stopping problems of abuses they are causing abuses of children, What the truth is that needs to be told to the boy in minnesota, who the republicans are breeding to be a klans boy, is that would he rather everybody live with pedephile , wife beating and murdering and rapest hetersexual fathers, who sex traffick and by children for sex every single day,

  11. carrie baker 27 Jan 2012, 12:42am

    Thats what needs to told to bigoted you adults who have been breed bigoty, and handed down their twisted evil rotten souls, Somebody needs to take these little bad ass bigoted kids and show them what their demon possessed hetersexual fathers and grandfathers did in history, the rapes the murders an the oh so inhumane acts against people that a dog in the street would shiver in sickness, they need to show them this is the monsters from your hetersexual famlies, the wicked men who have all of our domestic violence center filled with women rapped and abu;sed, beaten to death, then take their little asses and show the the grave markers of kids like themselves and ask the do you know who killed and raped and murdered all of these little children just like you and their mommies, well sonny, its the evil daddys an husbands from the heterssexual community, that do this to all of the little chidlren and women they can find, just your types of hetersexual fathers, not the gay communitie famiile

  12. carrie baker 27 Jan 2012, 12:48am

    Tell the young bigots the real truth about their real hetesexual fathers and grandfathers history and present day evils, and stop the defamations of these liars, their trash, you dont condone republicans helping a boy lie in a minosota news paper about good gay families, who live peacefully everyday with their kids and famiies, safely, ,but you tell them the truth about the monsters of their own hetero famieise the men and some of the women who help sell them to be rapped by their own fathers and other and to other little school friends fathers, tell them them truth,Yes the Republican bigots must be reprimanded for try to aid and abedde defamations inflamatory, defamations that has caused lies and suicides of young gay children that dont know what going on, to them the hate the malice, and why the devils in the hetersexual families keep bothering them and their families, tell them the truth , they the hetersexual bigots are monsters, and devils of evil and ill will malice souls. wicked

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