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Belgian minister wants anti-gay Primate replaced

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  1. Wake up you religious apologists, the Catholic religion is anti-democratic, anti free speech and expression. There is no place for this, dark-age, thinking in the 21st century. Freud was wrong about lots of things and homosexuality was one of them. Subsequent scientists have proved it.

    1. Jock S. Trap 13 Jan 2012, 11:52am

      “the Catholic religion is anti-democratic, anti free speech and expression”
      -
      Indeed except of course for themselves.

  2. Everything the RC church comes out with is complete and utterly vile. Their hatred for human diversity knows no bounds. They don’t in any way deserve special acknowledgement by any government.

    The RC church and the Vatican at its head is the world’s largest hate group and should be recognised as such by governments.

    Well said Laurette – just a shame that any country has to tolerate this massive hate group.

  3. Well, the archbishop is not going to be very successful in winning any new Catholics with obnoxious comments like that. Every time a religious leader makes homophobic comments like those it is another nail in the coffin of the church because that sort of homophobia increasingly disgusts normal people. Just look at the pro-gay on line comments after Daily Mail articles on same sex marriage. If we’ve now won over the hearts of Daily Mail readers we are well beyond tipping point. The minister is quite right; in a country like Belgium where the Catholic church serves a purpose in the hatch-match-dispatch department it needs to be run accordingly for that nation, which means weeding out overt homophobes. (Weed out ALL the homophobes and there will only be a couple left!)

  4. The Roman Catholic Church has the Vatican…recognised as a sovereign state with observer status at the United Nations.

    It is about time some nation took the Vatican to the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity.

  5. Keith Farrell 13 Jan 2012, 10:35am

    wow, where does the church find these idiots. I was brought up catholic, but I have difficulty in accepting a church that does so much to foster hate and hurt while at the same time protecting its priests who have been guilty of mis- use of their positions of trust. yes.
    I think it is getting time that people who agree with us, take legal action to force the church to obey the anti-discrimination laws

    1. Enlightened church leaders is the legacy of the Polish pope, what’s his name.

      1. …er…UN-enlightened… sorry..

  6. Dr Robin Guthrie 13 Jan 2012, 10:43am

    ““Homosexuals have encountered a blockage in their normal psychological development, rendering them abnormal.””

    I see.

    And belief in an all seeing deity, whilst being a member of a child raping organisation that hoards riches whilst the poor go hungry is normal.

    1. Didn’t Hitler use that line way back when he was just forming the SS?

      Why can priests say thos ekind of things and not be charged and yet if a member of th epublic started to say things like that, they’d be arrested?

  7. “Homosexuals have encountered a blockage in their normal psychological development, rendering them abnormal. I know that in a few years, I will risk prison by saying this, but it could offer me vacations.”

    He appears to be relishing the idea of vacationing in a prison.
    Riiiiight… Lots of sex-starved brutish thug types, communal showers, “whoops I just dropped my soap”, authority figures in uniforms. Not that I’m casting aspersions or anything…

  8. Kudos for Belgium’s Deputy Premier Laurette Onkelinx.

    1. auntie babs 13 Jan 2012, 12:14pm

      Well done that woman. I kinow who is going to get my vote for Stonewall hero of the Year this year.

  9. Maybe he wants time in prison. Lots of anal action there.

  10. These Catholic as well as other “religious” anti-gay crackpots just keep topping-up the abuse.

    I so agree that the Roman Catholic Church “…is the epitome of authoritarianism. It makes every effort to impose its policies concerning issues like abortion, contraception and homosexuality on everyone.”

  11. I agree with her sentiments but whom religious cults choose for their leaders is none of her business in a liberal democracy. The appropriate strategy is openly to disagree with or ignore the old bigot.

    1. mmmm… I never thought of that.

      But I do admire her spunk.

    2. mmm, don’t countries often decide that they don’t want a particular ambassador from another country?
      as far as I can tell, this “primate” (such an insult to the great apes) serves as a sort of mouthpiece, or “ambassador” for the Vatican (which others have rightly remarked is a “sovereign state”).
      While the archbishop doesn’t have diplomatic immunity, maybe he should be treated as one?
      As in, tossed out.

  12. All countries that disagree with the stance should withdraw their ambassador to the Vatican, like Ireland.

    Why does a religious organisation need to have ambassadors? The Vatican ought to come under Italian jurisdiction these days anyway.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Jan 2012, 12:43pm

      I totally agree with that. No religious denomination should have any special privileges or exemptions in the areas of civil matters. The Vatican is a sovereign state with the Pope as it’s head. As such, he should be subject to civil laws without exception if he chooses to meddle in the civil politics of other countries. What a pity Christopher Hitchens (RIP) and Richard Dawkins weren’t successful in their attempt to have this vile man arrested in the UK for crimes against humanity.

    2. The Vatican happens to be a sovereign country. It is not part of Italy. It may be smack dab in the middle of Rome, but it is a separate autonomous nation.

  13. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 13 Jan 2012, 12:21pm

    Hilarious! And quite right that Onkelinx would have him replaced. I think a glove puppet would be a lovely addition to the church! I mean, we already know (ad naseum) the hyperbole these catholes, like Leonard, puke out endless – it’s just the repetitious, unenlightened bigotry they’ve been betraying their faithful with from before the middle ages. ‘God is love’, ‘god is great’, ‘people are sinners’, the good boys and girls get the gift of god when they die, and the bad ones fry. A glove puppet could do that! Little wonder that the catholes and their beliefs of the supernatural is on the wane. Believing for the sake of belief is such an impractical use of intelligence. I think we should raid the vatican and sell off their gold to REALLY help the poor!

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 13 Jan 2012, 2:04pm

      And of course the “bad ones” are those that do not follow their insane teachings to the letter.

      “Divvy up your loot for the collection”

      “Give us your possessions”

      “Spurt out more Catholics”

      “Do as we tell you”

      What a racket, amazing that people never saw through this cr@p centuries ago.

      A bit like North Korea’s control over its citizens only using Hell as the threat.

  14. So, now we understand the logic of the anti-equality crowd. “Majority rule” is wonderful when used to deny equality, but really bad when used to grant it.

    I love this guy. The Church needs more people like him. It’ll shrink to irrelevance much faster.

    And for the record, regardless of where public opinion in Belgium lies, equal rights should never be decided upon the whim of an electorate.

  15. The Primates new book ” Acting as a Christian in Life and the World, When in Fact you are a Hate-filled Homophobic and Misogynistic, Paedophile protecting A$$hole”

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 13 Jan 2012, 12:49pm

      Quite. Last time I read the new testament several years ago, Jesus Christ NEVER mentioned let alone condemned gay people. If these prelates were truly christian, they should do as their leader teaches them by selling everything they have and giving the proceeds to the poor if they want to be a follower. None of them have the courage or the common decency to do just that. Meanwhile, they live in luxury, pontificating from their homes, often palatial with servants, something that would have been repulsive to Jesus Christ, not that I’m a believer mind you. I feel the need to read the bible to arm myself against the so called “christians” who support discrimination against us, not the ones who don’t of course. I’m sure if Jesus Christ appeared on earth, assuming that he could if he really exists, I don’t think he’d recognise or identify with anything this denomination claims to be doing in his name.

  16. Archbishop Léonard has been recorded as saying his views on homosexuality are “the same as Freud: it is an imperfectly developed stage of human sexuality which contradicts its inner logic.
    Well fuk you very much Archbishop for your loving and caring Christian thoughts….now fuk off back to hell where you came from.

  17. Sander de Groot from Amsterdam, Netherlands 13 Jan 2012, 1:01pm

    Wait a minute… The “highest” representant of the catholic people in Belgium says these un-be-lie-va-ble things and gets REWARDED by the pope? Isn’t this some kind of blasphemism or so? And is this guy above the law or something? Shame on you mr Leonard, that’s what I think.

    I’d at least get fined (and hopefully big time, for that matter) if I would speak out like that.

    Me: just simple Sander – gay (and somehow also catholic, on paper) and living in Amsterdam.

  18. Congratulations and thanks to Mme Onkelinx for her strong condemnation of the vitriollic and ignorant comments of Leonard.

    I don’t have any problem with her calling for a replacement (although I accept it is a matter for the RC church and its members who they appoint) – she is merely saying (in that respect) that Belgium deserve better …

    If Leonard is aware that he “may be imprisoned” for his comments, then he clearly recognises that he is commiting a hate crime – the Belgian authorities should call his bluff and arrest him …

  19. On 5 January this year, [Archbishop Léonard] was … tasked with promoting Catholicism in areas of the West where faith is waning.

    He’s doing a great job, isn’t he?

  20. Mumbo Jumbo 13 Jan 2012, 1:35pm

    “…….after he questioned the government’s right to decide issues of marriage and sexuality.”

    If we let the RC Church decide on matters of sexuality then child rape would be made legal.

  21. de Villiers 13 Jan 2012, 1:48pm

    This priest has forgotten that the state and the government must act by the principle of the secularity. The Church has no concern in interfering with the politics of the country.

  22. Perhaps we make a mistake in supposing these church leaders are stupid when in fact they are devious. Archbishop Léonards task “promoting Catholicism in areas of the West where faith is waning” is perhaps aimed at Evangelical groups, which are recruiting new members in many coutries, U.S., Africa, etc., with their, if possible, even more homophobic statements than the traditional RC.

  23. PumpkinPie 13 Jan 2012, 1:55pm

    I was expecting more jokes about homophobic chimpanzees. Not sure whether I’m pleasantly surprised or slightly disappointed.

  24. I do have to say: you’ve got to wonder what the motivation of the Vatican was to appoint this despicable person (that seems to be the definition of a ‘twat’) to the task of promoting Catholicism where it is waning – are they trying to sink the Catholic church as an institution? You know, scuttle and completely wreck the whole thing?
    Promoted into what, oblivion? This guy seems the perfect antidote to put you off Catholicism forever! And then some.
    Well, good luck to them then. People voting with their feet to return to the Catholic Church? Not gonna happen.

  25. Diesel Balaam 13 Jan 2012, 3:27pm

    As George Broadhead of the Pink Triangle Trust charity rightly says, religion should not enjoy a privileged position in a democracy. Roman catholics are entitled to their views, but when they force bigotry down the throats of everyone else, whilst turning a blind eye to kiddie-fiddling priests, we have to stand up to these toxic individuals and fight back.

    1. de Villiers 14 Jan 2012, 1:30pm

      The issue of pedophilia is irrelevant. Were there to have been none, it would still be inappropriate for the Church to involve itself in the politics and to try to breach the laicite (secularity). The Church is for personal and not public political reflection.

  26. It is good to see somebody is strong enough the to stand up to the evil and oppressive Catholic Church.

  27. GingerlyColors 13 Jan 2012, 5:10pm

    Ideally there should be complete separation of church (or mosque) and state in every country. Religion and politics should be kept separate and laws should protect people from religious as well as general hate speech whether they are gay or belong to another faith. It is the polititians who should be running the country and the church should just concentrate on digging a big hole for itself.

  28. Laurette Onkelinx is an idiot. What does she want to provoke? A backlash against the gay community? Stupid woman! She can go to Hell.

    1. Onkelinx is a woman who respects humanity unlike the leadership of the RC church

    2. How is she an idiot? Those who already hate us will not need any excuse to attack us. I also happen to think that Joe Public will not be engulfed in sweeping tides of homophobia as a result of her expressing her views.

      She is in fact a well respected politician and hey, who are we to berate those who will happily speak out for us?

  29. “Primate of Belgium André-Joseph Léonard said he did not approve of government using the ‘majority rule’ principle to decide issues of great social importance like the definition of marriage and the “difference between men and women”,”

    Yes, because we all know just how the Catholic church would like a monopoly on power, social and relgious hegemony and the demise of those annoying politicans who represent their public.

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