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  1. I wonder if there are any media organisations/broadcasters anywhere in the Top 100

  2. Peter James 11 Jan 2012, 12:05pm

    Its great to a NHS in the top 10 for the very first time ever!!!

    Its also good that the Trust is a mental health service too. Where have all the other public sector organisations gone?

    Well done NHS

    1. Could it be related to the fact that since the public sector cuts, the public sector organisations which previously sponsored Stonewall have stopped doing so, and hence they have been removed from the list?

      It could be the case.

      The fact that Stonewall shrouds its decision making process in such secrecy, its point blank refusal to say how it sets its agenda, and the continuing chairmanship of Ben Summerskill – someone who was caught at the LibDem paety conference in 2010 campaigning against marriage equality – means that this list doesn’t really have any credibility.

      1. Yawn

        1. How is your working life at Stonewall, Confused?

          (For those niot in the know, the person known as ‘Confused’ was revealed last year to be a Stonewall employee who writes pro-Stonewall comments without identifying his employer.

          Can you answer me these questions, Confused.

          1. How does Stonewall set its agenda?
          2. Who is Stonewall answerable to?
          3. Why is Ben Summerskill still the chairman of Stonewall considering his homophobic campaign against marriage equality at the 2010 Lib Dem conference.

          ****and drumroll *****

          4. How many of the Top 100 Employers on this dodgy list are corporate sponsors of Stonewall?

  3. Wish some of those organisations were as keen on paying tax as they are on gay friendliness.

    1. Indeed.

      Which begs the question. What is the point of this list?

      Employment discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal in Britain (unlike in the US). Therefore theoretically everyone is protected by the law.

      And even if a company on that list is gay friendly (which by law it is required to be) then it does not alter the fact that you may be working for the company that is number 1 on the list, but if your line manager is homophobic then you’re not going to get promoted and your working life will be hell.

      A list like this serves a purpose in a country like the US (where discrimination against LGBT employees is legal in many states).

  4. Year after year we hear about this index.

    And year after year it is never reported on how many of these top 100 employers are sponsors of Stonewall.

    Year after year it is never announced as to what the criteria to be included on this list is.

    The despicable campaign by Ben Summerskill AGAINST marriage equality at the 2010 LibDem Party conference has never been explained.

    Summerskill has not apologised, yet remains at the head of Stonewall.

    And Stonewall still refuses to confirm how they set their agenda.

    With Stonewall’s reputation so badly compromised (through its own actions) then I don’t think Stonewall is a credible group to determine who the best employer in Britain is.

    Out of curiosity – how many of these Top 100 employers have contributed money to homophobic poiticians or campaigns. In the US, the retailer Target scored a perfect score as an employer on the HRC index. Despite donating large sums of cash to a homophobic extremist.

    Is it true of Stonewall’s list too?

    1. gino meriano 11 Jan 2012, 1:29pm

      all depends on how much they pay and how far up the list they get, its all about the money and less about the community.

      in 2010 there were 4 reported cases of discrimination from top companies that featured in their top 10 and none made it to the press and all brushed under the carpet.

      even had one guy sign off ill due to stress and later lost his job

      good old stonewalls list

      1. Dan Filson 11 Jan 2012, 3:30pm

        “all depends on how much they pay and how far up the list they get, its all about the money and less about the community” Just not true and an insult to those at Stonewall checking the policies and procedures of the firms applying for recognition. Those sniping at Stonewall should examine their own credentials for advancing LGB equality before taking pot shots (ad nauseam).

        1. It is NOT sniping at Stonewall to ask the following quesitons and to expect answers:

          1. How does Stonewall set its agenda?
          2. Who is Stonewall answerable to?
          3. Why is Ben Summerskill still the chairman of Stonewall considering his homophobic campaign against marriage equality at the 2010 Lib Dem conference.
          4. How many of the Top 100 Employers on this list are corporate sponsors of Stonewall?

    2. I work for an org that competes for this list and my network group help make the submission. Every year the criteria for this list is published on the website for all and sundry to read.

      1. Paul Brownsey 11 Jan 2012, 7:40pm

        “Criteria” is plural, so needs to be followed by “are”.

  5. Employment discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal in Britain.

    Marriage equality is also illegal in Britain.

    It’s both tragic and pathetic that Stonewall has done NOTHING to address the marriage inequality in Britain, yet still manages to find time to compile a random list of top employers (even though employment discrimination is already illegal).

    Why is Stonewall STILL refusing to support LGBT equality before the law?

      1. So Stonewall has made efforts to allow CP’s to be held in religious buildings?

        Fine.

        But same sex couples still cannot get married.

        What has Stonewall done to support marriage equalitty since 2005?

        Nothing is the answer to that.

        Have I missed the press release by Stonewall condemning the repeated delays on the consultation on marriage equality?

        Have I missed the press release telling the government that 2015 is an unacceptably late date for marriage equality and that it needs to be introduced by summer 2012 (which gives them PLENTY of time).

        And while Ben Summerskill (who was actively campaigning AGAINST marriage equality in 2010) remains the chairperson of Stonewall, how can Stonewall be trusted on any matter (especially seeing as Stonewall point blank refuses to say to whom it is answerable, or how its agenda is set).

  6. You wont see many NHS organisations in their top 100, our trust pulled out of the process on account we couldnt afford the high rates you have to pay stonewall to be part of their ‘diversity champions’ programme! What ever interaction you havr with Stonewall it costs and it costs big time! Surely you can see that from the top 10 of this and previous years? Its used as nothing more and for companies to ‘pay their way’ to get good PR over equality and divertsity issues!

    1. Entry to the Index is free if you look at the Stonewall website.

      1. Considering the massive damage done to Stonewall’s reputation for its refusal to sack Ben Summerskill for his homophobic campaign against marriage equality at the 2010 Lib Dem Party conference, you must admit that it wouid be foolish to take YOUR word for it Confused.(especially seeing as Stonewall pays your wages).

        Questions Stonewall NEED to answer before they can be trusted on ANY matter:

        1. How does Stonewall set its agenda?
        2. Who is Stonewall answerable to?
        3. Why is Ben Summerskill still the chairman of Stonewall considering his homophobic campaign against marriage equality at the 2010 Lib Dem conference.
        4. How many of the Top 100 Employers on this list are corporate sponsors of Stonewall?

        1. Yes confused entry to the top 100 is free but why do those who kake the short list 100 pay stonewall so much in corporate sponsorship and are all paid up members of the equality champions programme? What critiera are they assessed on???

          Stonewall is a clear and transparent as mud and you do not represent me!!!

  7. The trouble with marriage equality for many of us is the first word, not the second. Many believe that marriage is a religious idea and has no place in our laws – any more than say baptism or bar mitzvah. So whilst we favour ‘civil partnership equality’ and would like to see the introduction of civil partnerships for heterosexual couples, it seems to me that supporting ‘marriage equality’ could be a counterproductive step towards that goal.

    1. “Many believe that marriage is a religious idea”

      And many people believe that marriage is a civil contract.

      A gay person who opposes marriage equality is a complete idiot.

      Only an idiot could oppose rights to which he does not enjoy.

      If straight people want to campaign for CP equaliity then good for them. i will support their efforts.

      However that is not the fight of the LGBT community.

      While we are denied equal access to the contract of civil marriage solely because we are gay, then under the law we are 2nd class citizens.

      And Stonewall’s cretinous behaviour on this issue of marriage equality has massively compromised their integrity.

    2. Paul Brownsey 11 Jan 2012, 7:43pm

      “Many believe that marriage is a religious idea…”

      Well, what they believe is false, isn’t it? Religious organizations have been quite successful in putting it about that they own marriage and that even marriage in a registry office is ‘really’ religious marriage under a franchice licence, as it were, but that is all false.

  8. Goldman Sachs ffs
    the most immoral company on earth

    1. I guess the wrote a cheque to Stonewall.

  9. John Antrobus 11 Jan 2012, 5:05pm

    Barclays up from 10 to 3? They may be good to their LBGT employees, but what about their customers? Go to their website and start the online application for their current account. You’ll find a mandatory question about your marital status which allows answers from a pick-list. You’ll see that Civil Partnership is absent from the list.

    Let me see, how long have they had to update their systems? Only five years?

    Seems deliberate to me.

    1. They must have written Stonewall a cheque to be included.

  10. In answer to my own question, I see that ITV is actually on the list. The BBC isn’t there, but that’s no surprise.

    http://www.stonewall.org.uk/at_work/stonewall_top_100_employers/default.asp

    1. Paul Brownsey 11 Jan 2012, 7:39pm

      How unilluminating to be told that Ernest & Young offer “professional services”.

      Prostitutes, photographers, accountants, masseurs, wiindow-cleaners, gardeners, house-declutterers, personal coaches, driving instructors and electricians all offer professional services, i.e. they do something for you for which you pay them.

      What do Ernest & Young actually *do*?

      1. They write a cheque to Stonewall, to be included on Stonewall’s silly list.

  11. Kent County Council are in the top 20 but refused a stall at Canterbury Gay Pride! I do not rate the list

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