Another smoke screen to avoid talking about child abuse by the catholic church.
Theocrats are dangerous to humanity and human rights, gay marriage is a great thing for a happy 21st century society.
They are losing the battle against secularism and rationality so they have selected a minority group as what they see as a relatively easy target.
That said, this tactic is going to backfire as with every homophobic utterance they are appearing more desperate, isolated and bigoted.
http://nobeliefs.com/SIZAN.htm (reverse the letter order of the capitalized word.
and make sure the reversed SIZAN letters are lower case or the website wont be found.
BTW what threatens humanity is a pope who UNexcommunciated bishop Williamson, a holocaust denier
One must wonder if they will join the Islamic terrorists as they decide their only way to keep power and the money flow is to have “anything but HOLY INquisition II.
torture and burnings at the stake in Inquisition I
What will they do for an encore.?
Its a shame our politicians dont have gonads. one company of British or American Marines would make short term work of the swiss guards, while saving the vaticans archives for decades of researchjing their horrors.
Why are will still listening to this ignorent old senile git, just put him in a bloody home already.
Fortunately, many of us are not listening to him …
unfortunately some still are …
Some of those who do not listen are within the church, and some of those who do listen are from outside the church
Indeed, which is why it is impartant to hear what these creeps have to say and have the ability to challenge them.
Don’t give him the excuse of being senile. He’s nothing but a sex starved bigot. He arrogantly believes his morals are superior to others’.
Which is a bit rich as he’s a former member of the Hitler Youth
It’s possible to criticise the Pope’s obvious failings without bringing up a forced stint in the Hitler Youth isn’t it?
Why assume he is sex starved – many other priests don’t seem to be. If you take away senile and sex starved you are still left with a bigot.
Because this man leads a religion, therefore it is important that we hear his bile and know what we’re up against but at the same time knowing they are probably doing themselves more harm by isolating themselves from the decent in society.
I’m now imagining a gay couple, thirty foot tall, just married, bouquet-bedecked and hand in hand, blasting away at buildings with laser eyes while roaring incoherently. The army tanks race away from this scene of horror and destruction, helpless in the face of all this overt gayness.
The Pope, in his signature red high heeled shoes, braces himself in the middle of the street, rip-off proton pack armed, and lets fly with a plasma stream of Concentrated Holy Spirit while screaming incantations to YHWH.
The stream hits the monster gay couple. It itches. They turn around, and with a dismissive snort that shatters skyscraper windows nearby, one of them raises a beclawed foot and – stamp.
The foot raises to show just an empty pair of heels, steaming gently. Monster Gay Couple rejoin hands and skip off to sow more destruction and havoc, thundering down the street, while deserted Cardinals weep gently at the sidelines, possibly quivering behind burnt-out tanks.
No? That’s /not/ what he me
make a catchy theme tune for that and it might make a fun japanese monster movie :D i feel sorry for yet another scale model of Osaka already lol
“Attack Of The 60ft Gay Married Couples!”
“Gay adopted son of Godzilla”?!?
I am still waiting for the house to fall on him so we can take back our Ruby Slippers.
Hello Judy Garland ! :D
from the church of the endless hidden molestation of children world wide.
We are fighting the wrong war on terrorism. A company of marines could dispatch the whole swiss guards in a day,
And their archives would be a treasure trove of horrors.
If there was a god awake, the vatican which sits in Rome – a city on the top of an earth fault – the vatican would have long been swallowed up into the lake of fire.
A fitting conclusion for the church that gave us a thousand years of the dark ages and the hatred of Jews that laid the foundationss for the holocaust, which of course included the gay people also.
*meant? Oh. Then I’m confused.
Well, currently we have Mr Spock, Mr Sulu and Sylar from Heroes batting for our team, who could probably annihilate any resistance to gay world domination if they pooled their resources ;)
WHEN SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WAS A CHRISTIAN RITE1
A Kiev art museum contains a curious icon from St. Catherine’s Monastery on Mt. Sinai in Israel. It shows two robed Christian saints. Between them is a traditional Roman ‘pronubus’ (a best man), overseeing a wedding. The pronubus is Christ. The married couple are both men.
Is the icon suggesting that a gay “wedding” is being sanctified by Christ himself? The idea seems shocking. But the full answer comes from other early Christian sources about the two men featured in the icon, St. Sergius and St. Bacchus,2 two Roman soldiers who were Christian martyrs. These two officers in the Roman army incurred the anger of Emperor Maximian when they were exposed as ‘secret Christians’ by refusing to enter a pagan temple. Both were sent to Syria circa 303 CE where Bacchus is thought to have died while being flogged. Sergius survived torture but was later beheaded. Legend says that Bacchus appeared to the dying Sergius as an angel, telling him to be brave because they would soon be reunited in heaven.
While the pairing of saints, particularly in the early Christian church, was not unusual, the association of these two men was regarded as particularly intimate. Severus, the Patriarch of Antioch (512 – 518 CE) explained that, “we should not separate in speech they [Sergius and Bacchus] who were joined in life”. This is not a case of simple “adelphopoiia.” In the definitive 10th century account of their lives, St. Sergius is openly celebrated as the “sweet companion and lover” of St. Bacchus. Sergius and Bacchus’s close relationship has led many modern scholars to believe they were lovers. But the most compelling evidence for this view is that the oldest text of their martyrology, written in New Testament Greek describes them as “erastai,” or “lovers”. In other words, they were a male homosexual couple. Their orientation and relationship was not only acknowledged, but it was fully accepted and celebrated by the early Christian church, which was far more tolerant than it is today.
Contrary to myth, Christianity’s concept of marriage has not been set in stone since the days of Christ, but has constantly evolved as a concept and ritual.
Prof. John Boswell3, the late Chairman of Yale University’s history department, discovered that in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical documents, there were also ceremonies called the “Office of Same-Sex Union” (10th and 11th century), and the “Order for Uniting Two Men” (11th and 12th century).
These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.
Such same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th and early 13th centuries, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded.
Same-sex unions in pre-modern Europe list in great detail some same gender ceremonies found in ancient church liturgical documents. One Greek 13th century rite, “Order for Solemn Same-Sex Union”, invoked St. Serge and St. Bacchus, and called on God to “vouchsafe unto these, Thy servants [N and N], the grace to love one another and to abide without hate and not be the cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God, and all Thy saints”. The ceremony concludes: “And they shall kiss the Holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be concluded”.
Another 14th century Serbian Slavonic “Office of the Same Sex Union”, uniting two men or two women, had the couple lay their right hands on the Gospel while having a crucifix placed in their left hands. After kissing the Gospel, the couple were then required to kiss each other, after which the priest, having raised up the Eucharist, would give them both communion.
Records of Christian same sex unions have been discovered in such diverse archives as those in the Vatican, in St. Petersburg, in Paris, in Istanbul and in the Sinai, covering a thousand-years from the 8th to the 18th century.
The Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes such ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books, “Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae Liturgiae” (Paris, 1667).
While homosexuality was technically illegal from late Roman times, homophobic writings didn’t appear in Western Europe until the late 14th century. Even then, church-consecrated same sex unions continued to take place.
At St. John Lateran in Rome (traditionally the Pope’s parish church) in 1578, as many as thirteen same-gender couples were joined during a high Mass and with the cooperation of the Vatican clergy, “taking communion together, using the same nuptial Scripture, after which they slept and ate together” according to a contemporary report. Another woman to woman union is recorded in Dalmatia in the 18th century.
Prof. Boswell’s academic study is so well researched and documented that it poses fundamental questions for both modern church leaders and heterosexual Christians about their own modern attitudes towards homosexuality.
For the Church to ignore the evidence in its own archives would be cowardly and deceptive. The evidence convincingly shows that what the modern church claims has always been its unchanging attitude towards homosexuality is, in fact, nothing of the sort.
It proves that for the last two millennia, in parish churches and cathedrals throughout Christendom, from Ireland to Istanbul and even in the heart of Rome itself, homosexual relationships were accepted as valid expressions of a [Christian] god-given love and commitment to another person, a love that could be celebrated, honored and blessed, through the Eucharist in the name of, and in the presence of, Jesus Christ.
“… in the evening the youth came to him [Jesus], wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan.” —The Secret Gospel of Mark, The Other Bible, Willis Barnstone, Editor, Harper & Row, San Francisco, 1984, pp. 339-342.
1. ColfaxRecord.com; Retrieved 6 Jul 2009, 1830 PST [ http://www.colfaxrecord.com/detail/91429.html ]
2. Saints Sergius & Bacchus, Roman martyrs. Their Catholic feast day is October 7th. Catholic Encyclopedia [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13728a.htm ]
3. John Eastburn Boswell (American Council of Learned Societies); Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe, Random House, June 1994
Impressed both at the historical accuracy which demonstrates the hypocracy of the RC church in this matter, and impressed by how you managed to post such a lengthy cut and paste (I have never been able to do that!) lol
Very impressed also
Thank you Keith, well informed response.
This is fascinating – thank you!
The icon in question was on show in an exhibition at the Royal Academy in London the year before last, happy to say I saw it!
Excellent excerpt, and kudos to John Boswell.
However, I do question the following statement:
“While homosexuality was technically illegal from late Roman times, homophobic writings didn’t appear in Western Europe until the late 14th century.”
Homophobic writings certainly did appear very early in the christian church of Western Europe.
In the early church, when the ascetic precepts of the Stoics and the Neo-Platonists were incorporated into Christian dogma, they became moral absolutes and pre-conditions for a salvation that the church felt was its mission to bring to all men, whether they were persuaded or not.
As the church grew in size and influence in the third and fourth centuries, an obsessive and neurotic hostility to sex and homosexuality became a central feature of the moral teaching of its most influential leaders, notably saint Augustine.
This is not to say that Boswell’s research is flawed, only that opposite currents of thought did exist in christianity, then as now.
What happened in the fourteenth century was that conservative theologians, using the concept of Natural Law, dominated Christianity.
Paul Veyne, A History of Private Lives, Volume 1 (Cambridge, Mass.: Belknap Press of Harvard University, 1987), page 49
I read recently same sex marriage in ancient Rome was very common before Christianity. Look what has happened since.
But reading this great article reminds us how lucky we are that we can live in a world that let’s us be gay.
As history tells us is that we have been OUT & BACK many times throughout history. Does not mean that it won’t happen again.
Words on paper are meaningless, unless they are acted on and not a token gesture to appease certain people in society.
As this fight will continue as long as the human race exists on this planet.
A third world war could turn everything that we have achieved back to the bad old days.
Always grateful for allowing my life style & sexuality to be noticed and accepted.
Same-sex bonding did occur in the Roman Republic, as it did in Greece and elsewhere.
Whether or not same-sex marriages occurred is another matter.
Thank you for all your responses.
Another good question, In the UK (also in other countries) there are very strong anti-discrimination laws, which as I read them, do not allow you to discriminate on sexual, race or religion yet this very government (and churches) does that to us by not giving us the same rights and freedoms as the straight people. we don’t have equal right in marriage. I wonder when the gay community will take legal action to force the government and churches to give us equal rights.
You raise a very valid point, I suspect on the specific issue of equal marriage a legal challenge against the UK (or Scottish) government would currently fail as the respective governments can demonstrate that they are seeking to change the law. They may not be doing it as fast as we like – but they are seeking to address the issue. The success of legal action would be dependant (in my opinion) on how fair and equitable the new legislation is when it is in effect.
Be interested to hear if others had a different legal pespective on likely success or otherwise of action against the government on this issue …
Coming from a group of supposedly celibate men, this is rich ! When will this Church stop attempting to change society and allow it to evolve? Hiding behind their cloth and trying (badly) to cover up the abuses of the members of their clergy and escaping full prosecution and retribution that would not be afforded if they were mainstream members of our society is the dirtiest of dirty.
Maybe the Catholic church should note this study: Lesbian households produce a child abuse rate of 0%
And the abuse rate in the catholic church is 1-10% or more I guess.
Who is a threat to families?
the church has changed but it is still run by a bunch of old drama queens
Curses, they uncovered my hetro-marriage-destroying gay-marriage deathstar-cum-wedding chapel.
The one with the laserbeams that turn straight men gay.
I’m going to have to initiate ‘operation closetsmash’ slightly earlier than expected.
BTW… Luke, I am your gay adopted father!
*chokes on coffee* :D
It all sounds like noisy hard work.
I know… I could have just used the traditional 3 pints of lager method to turn straight men gay, but what can I tell you? I’m a bit of a hobbyist and I like taking on a big project.
Some projects are worth taking on, and well some …. ;-)
looks like someones going around on here thumbing down all the posts critical of the pope, I wonder if its the pope?
So where are all these straight couples who’ll supposedly suddenly not want to marry just because LGBT people can?? I imagine that same sex marriage doesn’t even enter their minds when they make their decision, nor when they decide to have children.
The whole statement is beyond stupid.
Has the Pope even looked at the academic studies from Scandinavia which demonstrate that equal marriage actually improves societies perception of marriage and causes an increase in both heterosexual marriage and commitment
He probably labelled it ‘gay propaganda’ and refused to look at it. I don’t get the impression he lets truth and facts get in the way of his bombastic pronouncements.
Nah, it’s the voices inside his head as always, he’s infallible don’t you know.
As a catholic I just can’t understand that the vatican can’t just get over it and worry about real problems we have like war and hate. Shouldn’t we treasure every form of love there is and be grateful if people want to express that love by getting married?
So why don’t you find a more gay friendly church to be a member of?
Better still, abandon the superstitious nonsense that is religion and think for yourself.
The truth revealed – by Angela K.
That’s hardly a fair comment to make. Caro is catholic because that is what she believes in. You might not hold the same views, but you should at least show some respect for those that do. After all, if you’re going to attack the Church it’s just going to make them kick their heals even harder.
Take the moral high ground and show that we’re good people, then they might just change their views a bit quicker than otherwise.
I disagree. People who hang on to man-made misogynistic, hate filled belief systems and are Gay themselves should be asking themselves some pertinent questions. I respect most people but have no respect for any religion.
I am quite sure that all the pertinent questions would be defined by you without any real understanding of what gay Catholics derive from a sense of the Divinity.
“The truth revealed – by Angela K.”
Compared to an obsequious apologist like you de Villiers, as you beg for catholic acceptance and look for “truth” in a child book about talking snakes and bipolar “gods”.
Indeed. Lets all listen to your mindless guidance from within a church of homophobes.
More hate from Rob and his bigot apologisers.
Oh, great response there. My hate? Yeah, good point.
Still didn’t address the cringing ass licking you do on this site for the catholic church, did you? You are a disgrace to rational people and to gay people by supporting this bunch of corrupt child abusers and bigots.
By supporting them so shamelessly, YOU support their bigotry, and YOU become the bigot.
In light of your hysteria, referring to your “hate” probably does under-describe your position.
You are also guilty of that about which you complain. All of us are gay individuals. We do not have the same view because we are all gay. It is the same with Catholics and Catholicism. It is deluded to imagine that all French, Italian and Spanish citizens are bigots on account of their being Catholic or enjoying the elements of their religion and identity.
Your reference to “acceptance” is a bit Anglo/American confessional. I am Catholic. It is as much of a fact as my being French. And I also know many Catholic priests in France who are liberal, good people – far more than otherwise.
I have already stated many times my support for the secularity of the state. It is a pillar of the Fifth Republic. What you seem to want, however, is not merely a secular state but to eradicate all religion from people’s personal lives and thoughts. Like Germany, Russia and China.
It seems to be their approach to attacking secularism. Attacking gays is probably seen as attacking the soft under belly of increasing secularism.
Why should anyone reading this report be in the least surprised?
The hostility of the RC Church to homosexuality has been expressed ad nauseam for decades and it derives from its offcial policy clearly stated in its Catechism:
“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”
Well George, no wonder the Catholics are all screwed up. Voltaire often said that absurdity leads to atrocity. Their definition of homosexuality is absurd, not to mention inaccurate.
Homosexuality does not refer to “relations” between men or women. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation regardless of whether the man or woman has relations of any kind.
“Sacred Scripture presents “homosexual acts” as grave depravity?” A HUGE leap of interpretative license that even RC biblical scholars would agree. Homosexuality as WE know it was not a concept in Jewish tradition or writing. They could only reference male temple prostitution, xenophobic gang rape, pedastry and pagan sex rites at best,
“They are contrary to natural law?” Excuse me? Homosexuality exists in nature . How can it be contrary to the natural means by which it came about?
“They close the sexual act to the gift of life”- WHAT? Gay men and children can and DO reproduce. And the “gift of life” includes living a fulfilled life which gays and lesbians do better when they love themselves and are allowed to love each other.
“They do not proceed from genuine affective and sexual complementarity”- Bullcrap! Sex, romance, love does not originate from which pole can go in which hole. Otherwise we’d just mate indiscriminately like the animals do. It comes from which soul complements which soul.
“Gay men and children can and DO reproduce. ”
umm… did you possibly mean Gay men and women,,,,
The possible typo aside I agree absolutely with you
Why any sane person can accept instruction and moral guidance from an institution which has been bought & sold (Benedict IX in 1045); whose chequered history includes the Borgias (the original Mafia) and the Medicis (the first real bankers) is quite beyond me.
This institution is doing what it has always done. Foisting its own opinion on the rest of us hiding behind the “Chair of Peter” for legitimacy.
Ignoring this tainted, ancient and quite frankly dangerous institution would be in all of our best interests.
More empty religious assertions and NO PROOF!
Gay families and gay marriage is not some kind of new social experiment. Psychiatric, pediatric and medical bodies in the US have been studying gay households for over twenty years now. Very soon it will be ten years since Canada legalized gay marriage. The Scandanavian countries have DECADES of evidence.
It harms nobody save the pride of religious prudes.
Until recent times I was always under the impression that senior members of the clergy were intelligent, responsible and humane.
Fortunately, I have been enlightened to the lack of humanity and irresponsibility of many members of your clergy including yourself.
I have found a guide for idiots that explains those human rights which are known as gay rights.
Given your idiotic commentary on this matter (and irresponsibility), I respectfully request you pay attention to this guide and try to learn from it:
“Until recent times I was always under the impression that senior members of the clergy were intelligent, responsible and humane.” Really?
My basis for this assumption was that they generally require divinity (or other) degrees, were supposedly deemed as responsible members of society (eg community leaders, acceptance as reliable – passport signoatory etc) and involvement in human rights and international aid …
Nonetheless, we all make mistakes … and whilst some religious leaders may fit the intelligent, responsible and humane criteria – I am now enlightened to the fact that many do not …
what really threatens humanity is the ridiculous growth of human population to unsustainable levels aided and abetted by the insane contraception policies of the Catholic church.
We have laws in Europe against Hate Speach, why do they not apply to this evil man and his evvil organisation. I think that the police should investigate his comments and stop him spreading this hatred.
That would be because the Pope lives in the Vatican City, it’s own country. Therefore he is not under the jurisdiction of any other country and so we cannot do anything to stop him without his own approval. Kind of self defeating really
Not only is the Vatican not in the EU it is not part of the Council of Europe either because it is regarded as a therocracy.
Actually, the biggest threat to the future of humanity would be abstinence.
As a gay man, I am now celibate.
Had I been born a Lesbian, I’d be halibut.
There is only one threat here: and that is to their position of privilege and authority in many places around the world, where they have unprecedented access to world leaders at the top of the establishment. In reality, people don’t listen to them anymore. They simply don’t have the credibility or weight like the used to, and it’s fading all the time. This is just another rant from a pathetic old man who surely can’t be far from death. Good riddance I say.
I think Stephen Colbert sums up the pope’s logic quite nicely…
So the leader of the world’s biggest crime syndicate and paedophile shelter blames us for the downfall of civilisation – such arrogance and hatred. He should be investigating his storm-troopers behaviour.
The Glaad and Aclu and other lgbt orgs, must get the pope and the cardinal from chicago for defamation, they both must step down , on their terrorist lies, We as a nation no everyday that the popes vatican and the diocese are the number one sex pedephilia, camps in our nation they are still in trouble and being sued by the little boys who some are now men, who they rapped as little boys in their vaticans, the nations dont need to hear from pedehiles who rape and mollest boys and wear crosses and robes claiming to be of deity when they are just bad twisted , ,malicious , spiteful dirty old men, who lilke little boys for sex themselves, the crimes being committed in our nations is by hetersexual sick creeps of men who rape children , even their own , ans sex traffick them and rape women, even theire own, and murder them, all of the evils go back to hetero sexual men ans some women, not the gay community, and Glaad is going to have to take action against all these false occult religion
Carrie, could you put a warning in your posts “THIS IS A POST BY CARRIE BAKER”. It’s annoying that I have to spot the spelling, grammar and punctuation before checking the author and deciding I should skip the post.
I wouldn’t bother. She’s evidently on crack cocaine when she writes.
Homosexuals will never have Equal Marriage, homosexuals are not equal to Heterosexuals, they cannot preform the same tasks as a heterosexual couple, so they are not equal and therefore will not have equal marriage ( Government may talk about, but there is more words then actions and that my friends is propaganda to humour)
We don’t need 100% breeding rate for overpopulation. 90% is more than enough.
Are you saying that minorities do not matter and that as such can not expect human rights?
Please answer yes or no …
We will never be equal.
We are better.
We do not overpopulate the planet.
We do not start wars.
We empathize with others who are discriminated against.
Thank you for reminding me just how much better we are.
Men cannot have babies like women can therefore they will be denied rights because they can’t perform that task; my girlfriend is black and can’t use the same foundation/make up as I can therefore she is not equal to me; that guy in the wheelchair can’t play football therefore he is not equal because he can’t perform the same tasks as other men etc etc etc etc – yep, idiotic, illogical crap.
But I bet you STILL won’t see how stupid your argument is because you blinded by prejudice and your own insecurities. Sad.
“Homosexuals will never have Equal Marriage”
Yeah, bet you said that about Spain and the Netherlands too.
Look where we are with those countries…. LOL!
Denial is the best friends of ignorance, jams (the fool formally known as Matthew)
Are your thoughts as coherent as your grammar?
Such a brave person James is – makes inflammatory comments and then runs away …
Has not even got the tenacity or strength of conviction to answer a simple yes or no to a question posed to him …
Surely any two people living together in a committed union must pose less of a threat to the future of humanity that a papal edict that discouraged or even prohibited the use of condoms and therefore facilitated the spread of HIV in the developing world?! Think about that Mr Pope!
UH!!! LETS, SEE, LETS DO A POWER POINT!! LETS PUT THE GAY COMMUNITY ON ONE SIDE OF THE BULLETIN BOARD AND THE HETERSEXUALS ON THE OTHERSIDE OF T HE BULLETING BOARD, HERE WE GO FOR THE ASSHOLES THAT HAVE A SIZE 2 BRAIN, WHO IS DOING ALL OF THE MURDERING IN OUR NATIONS, OH LETS SEE 99.9%ALL HETEROS, OH, WHO IS RAPPING AND MOLESTING CHIDREN AND WOMEN ALL OVER THE WORLD AND SEX TRAFFICKING CHILDREN AN SECRETLY BY CHILDLREN FOR RAPE, OH LETS SEE 100% HETEROS, OH, LETS SEE, WHO IS THE WIFE BEATER,S , OH LETS SEE , ALL HETERO MEN, OH LETS SEE, WHO IS THE EVIL BIGOTS OF HATE ,OH ITS THE SAME SICK PROBLEM ASSHOLES, HETERSEXUALS, WHY ISNT OUR WORLD IN PEACE, OH, ITS ALL THE HETERSEXUALS EVILS 100%, THAT FACT WE CAN PULL YOU DATA ON IT EVERYDAY, GET A CLUE, STOP THE LIES AND DEFAMATIONS YOU HETERO ASSHOLES, WE SEE YOU CREEPS, YOUR LIAR, GAYS ARE THE HUMANE SOCIETY, AND SAFEST PEOPLE AROUND AND THE FREINDLIES, YOU LYING DANGEROUS HETERSEXUALS, YOUR WICKED, AND ABUSERS, OF YOURSELVES AND ALL
Ah excellent, the ALL CAPS works too! Thank you for the clear “do not read” note. Could you use ALL CAPS for all your future posts please?
oh hello, Carrie. Nice to have your views as ever.
Sadly, a consistent remark from Pope Benoit. Nothing is likely to change from the Vatican without a liberal pope and and an ascent of more liberal and critical theology.
All we really need is a younger Pope, that would solve a lot of issues people have with RC Christianity, but unfortunately you must have served as a cardinal for a certain number of years before being considered for the Papal seat, so it looks like it may be quite a while until we get someone with the right frame of mind in the Papal Office. But when we do, things will change.
I hope so – for the benefit of many. The conservatives seem to have a grip on everything presently.
As far as I’m aware the only requirement you need to become Pope is that you must be male and Catholic. You don’t even need to clergy. In reality though, it always will be an old Cardinal who’s already been at the centre of the Vatican for years like the current Pope.
Or a more secular (and so non deferential) approach by governments and people. I don’t care what the ejit believes – I do care that he has influence in spheres of my life from trying to meddle in my countries equal rights progress to his implied support for homophobia and discrimination.
@ de Villiers… agreed.
But as you know, when Angelo Roncalli (Pope John XXIII) died, and Ratzinger pontificated that Liberation Theology was heretical, the church swerved to the extreme right so that both the Curia, Magisterium and the college of Cardinals is now more orthodox as ever.
Sadly so. I hope not forever.
The pope might be correct, the family “is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society”, but does that mean he needs to seek out and destroy every other living, thriving cell? A foundation is critical to the stability of any building but that doesn’t mean we build the entire structure as we do the foundation, unless, of course, we are building a prison.
yeah Pope most of your staff like to poke young boys. Like you don’t know. Gay marriage is not the problem. Pope Irrelevant XVI. NEXT
This from the grand master of the worlds biggest pedophile racket in the world!!! How dare you play GOD & judge people who LOVE one another!!! Clean up you own back yard buddy, before you start talking junk!
Paving the way for the next abomination … legalized pedophilia.
I thought the Vatican had already cornered the market in that…
“Paving the way for the next abomination … legalized pedophilia.”
Given they’re experts in this area, not to mention covering it up.
This from a bigot who has never been married, can never be married, and is surrounded by hundreds of same-sex partners all day long by his choice… and the leader of the most pedophiliac organization the world has ever known. The man is not even a Christian… why does anyone listen to him?
Christian means ‘Christ-Like’… when Jesus was on the earth, the only people he ever got angry with were the religious authorities of the time… he would certainly be angry with the pope!
[Non-gay marriage] is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society.
So tell me, Pope, why exactly – if it so very fundamental – does the Catholic clergy turn its back on marriage to women?
If Humanity is threatened by a small percentage (LGBTQ people wishing to marry) of a small percentage of people (all LGBTQ people) marrying each other then Humanity deserves to perish because it is weak and feeble…..just saying….it is more likely to perish from priests raping untold millions of children for a thousand years, and murdering millions who do not follow that faith, than it is by a few hundred thousand loving couples getting married….what a douche bag….and this is from the person who protected all of the child predators….where is the moral authority in that, might I ask? There is NONE…..
“Pope Falls As Bungee Cord Snaps At Vatican” Shock!
Ohh you evil gay people – always ruining it for the rest of us. When will you learn it is WRONG to love??? Hate! That’s what will save the world. More hate. Come on now! Get to it. Hate hate hate hate grrrr. Practice makes perfect though: look at the catholics!
So the prophets of the old testament could have concubines galore. Great example for children. Lot’s daughters had sex with their father. They must have learned about the concubines in Sunday School… I think the Pope needs to look seriously at the goofy costume he wears along with his 400 red Prada shoes and confront his inner homosexual self before making such a low statement. Catholic Priests have done more damage to the family and humanity than any other organized group I can think of in recent history. He should focus on his own failures and keep his mouth shut. And just how exactly does this man represent God? I don’t get it.
I’m glad he’s got his priorities right. Should be at the top of any self respecting person’s list of threats to humanity – two men / women kissing in a fancy building and then going away and carrying on with their lives.
THIS IS SO UNFAIR!
Same sex couples can provide a family in suitable settings! HOW DARE HE say it’ll ruin humanity.
I WANT MARRIAGE EQUALITY and I hope the republicans don’t win the elections because they plan to repeal all same sex marriage in the states that currently have it!
VOTE FOR DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR EQUALITY!
How dare he says its gonna ruin future humanity. A FAMILY CAN STILL BE MADE THROUGH A SAME SEX COUPLE.
How dare he. HOW DARE HEE RUIN OUR HOPE.
I pray that a republican doesn’t get elected this year.
I WANT MARRIAGE EQUALITY!! ITS TRULY FAIR!
Like Holy Wars then and now called War on Terror is not a threat to humanity, not to mention countless children raped by Catholic priest who have not only threatened their lives but in many cases destroy them and their families. Don’t forget the Inquisitions and Witch Hunts that still go one today with the persecution of LGBT people who also happen to be Humanity. No the Catholic church is not a threat to humanity but it is actively destroying humanity now and for 2,000 years. They are the ones who need to be stopped before they destroy the world.
I’m not sure that Jesus was interested in people’s family arrangements. He told people to leave their families and follow him.
Isn’t it just hate speech drafted by one of his underlings? Did our ambassador choose to sit through it? Did the American one? If so, why did they not walk out in the face of blatant hate speech? Why do we even have ambassadors to what is merely a religious organisation?
Growing up, a Catholic friend of mine used to say each Saturday… I am going to relieve my conscience (confession) as we aged it changed to meet you i the pub after I relieve my conscience.
Over time we talked about his conscience, in reality it wasn’t so much about his life as much as it was the guilt that his church and family imposed on him.
As he said my church teaches me prejudice to people of different faith, sin if I live without matrimony. Birth control or responsible parenting (the pill) is not permitted same sex relationships are taboo. Erotic thoughts or lust is immoral.
He always said if I don’t feel guilty about some thing or say penances my church considers me an abomination, “unless” I am putting money in the collection every thing I am told is how to feel guilty!
It seems like each new generation has to get a newer version of the guilt complex without it they can’t true Catholic.
So is Benedict the preacher of faith or guilt?
I’ve started a petition at change.org entitled “Withdraw U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See”, calling on the President and Secretary of State Clinton to make good on their declaration made one month ago in front of the UN in support of LGBT rights, by withdrawing the U.S. Ambassador to the Holy See.
If you agree, please sign and share. An email is automatically sent to the State Department’s press department each time a signature is added.
Families and relationships are built on trust. The Catholic church makes a big thing of asking people to regard ‘the church’ as their family. Would that be the same church and leaders who concealed and aided paedofile priests to systematically abuse children and move priests to other parishes or send them for ‘reflection’ before letting them return and take up their paedofile activities again and again with the blessing of the pope and his cohorts who knew what was going on? The church has to learn that whilst they may be entitled to their view – they are no longer a driving force in society and do not have an automatic right to rule or say what people do or don’t do. I can make my own decisions and don’t require a wayward cult to tell me how to live my life.
Yes, Peter Tatchell sums it up eloquently. I’d add that marriage equality threatens the power of the RC church – that’s the real threat, ain’t it, pope?
Marriage is a failing, discredited and irrelevant institution. So WHY in hell do you want to go there.
There must be another way to recognise same sex relationships equal to hetros, other than going down the marriage path.
Short-sighted, the gay community has become.
Just when you thought Cardinal O’Brien had said it all:
“The Spanish Catholic Church is also concerned about homosexuality. During his Boxing Day sermon, the Bishop of Córdoba, Demetrio Fernández, said there was a conspiracy by the United Nations. ‘The Minister for Family of the Papal Government, Cardinal Antonelli, told me a few days ago in Zaragoza that UNESCO has a program for the next 20 years to make half the world population homosexual. To do this they have distinct programs, and will continue to implant the ideology that is already present in our schools.’ ”
——- El Pias
And the downside is what?
So many men, so little time!
More poisonous blather depending on ignorance of the history of Christian belief. As someone has said above, there is a lot of evidence of the Early and Medieval Church’s indifference and even approval of L&G relationships; and in fact until the arrival of Protestantism the Church generally followed the Pauline notion that marriage was something of a distraction (at best) from the business of worshipping God and waiting for the next world. We are still waiting for the latter, of course, but such inconveniences never hinder irrational bilge, or the latter’s ability to change its focus – in this case to the sacredness of ‘marriage and family’.
It’s very popular with Christian closet queens I hear but most people in UK use subscriber trunk dialling when making long distance calls today instead of requiring an operator to put your call through.
Is there anyway of shutting him up? He is getting more and more boring.
I normally avoid religious threads but this is rich comming from the king of the peados. Religion and the people who follow if should be shunned. There is no place for religion in a modern society. Keep that behind closed doors
Archbishop Says It Is OK To Rape women who have had an abortion.
“MADRID – Javier Martinez, the archbishop of Grenada, Spain is in hot water after saying during his Christmas speech that it is OK to rape women who had an abortion.
According to the Bishop, Hitler’s and Stalin’s acts against humanity are not as bad as a woman who had an abortion and that makes it perfectly alright for any man to abuse such a woman’s body without limitations because she committed sin as if she had the right to do that.”
Please, as the evidence mounts, nobody try to tell me the Catholic leadership are not all depraved lunatics.
Is there anybody out there who can explain to me rationally why gay marriage “threatens the future of humanity”? This assertion is absolutely ludicrous. How can an outward expression of love, respect and commitment between two people threaten the entire human race? Old ‘Dicty should be in home for senile old clerics, not the Pope. If he wasn’t so funny he’d be bloody dangerous!
From “The DailyMash”
POPE Benedict has explained the hard science behind his theory that gay marriage will cause the destruction of humanity.
Speaking at the Vatican, the geriatric witch-king described how his latest bugbear is not just the usual mumbo jumbo.
The Pope said: “Homosexual marriage ceremonies generate unsustainable amounts of a cloying pink gas known as Homon.
“All gays radiate a certain amount of Homon, it’s what gives them a pinkish sheen. However in small amounts the gas dissipates into the atmosphere, causing only a minor amount of corruption.
“When the grotesque tableau of sexual debauchery that is a batty man wedding occurs, the gathered gays are exuding a highly concentrated amount of Homon.”
Thanks for your reply, it really brightened my day. Do Argos sell Homon gas masks, do you know? Better stock up….
the destruction of humanity.
Speaking at the Vatican, the geriatric witch-king described how his latest bugbear is not just the usual mumbo jumbo.
“When the grotesque tableau of sexual debauchery that is a batty man wedding occurs, the gathered gays are exuding a highly concentrated amount of Homon.
“The Homon reacts with the poppers-flavoured disco smoke, pink feather curtains and extravagant cake to form a big solid pink cloud that smells of water-based lubricant. While the gays are dancing with abandon to energetic European dance music, the Homon cloud floats off into the sky like a Chinese lantern and sticks to the sun.
“Eventually Homon will block out the sun and
everything on Earth will die, including your family, your pets and your favourite television personality.”
Heterosexual plumber and father-of-two Tom Logan said: “Gays are to the Pope what garlic bread is to Peter Kay.”
Isn’t Ratzinger dead yet?
Here’s to his speedy (yet painful) demise in 2012 – he’s a genocidal b”sta”rd.
And stuff the religious apologists appeasements.
Religionists in general – and Catholics in particular – used to criticise gay people for supposedly being promiscuous and unable to settle into long-term, stable relationships. Now that we can do so legally, they want to stop that too. When will the silly gay Catholics who bleat on about “how the RC church has changed” realise that the Roman Catholic church is nothing short of toxic for gay people and they won’t rest until we are totally disenfranchised, or preferably eliminated altogether. Poison!
Everyone else: Pope ‘threatens the future of humanity’
Such bile, yet again from such a vile group of extremists.
How exactly does it affect humanity. Clearly it’s better to lie, over populate the planet and allow people to die in wars or starve as a result… yes far better than any kind of stability in society leading to a progressive, decent society… no that would never do would it.
They just don’t have a clue do they about anything but in particular about being human. Ironic, considering what they preach… and don’t they go on.
Given the desperate attempts of Christianity to say the numbers of LGBT people are statistically too few to be reliant or listened to, just how can such a small number be a threat?
It depends wholly on the voices in his head, one day it’s this the other it’s that but even so the Pope is always infallible…(according to Catholic doctrine)
Don’t judge everyone by what some straight people do in marriage. There are plenty, Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Straight that only have relatsionships without feeling the need to sleep around. Just as there are plenty Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Straight who don’t and what as many people as they can get.
Maybe you should actually research the people in STI clinics for yourself… you might find you shocked at the result… unless your one of the ‘frequent callers’ of course!
…says the guy who doesnt have sex!!!!!
Notice he doesn’t condemn heterosexuals “living in sin” and having children without a marriage and many of them, including politicians of notoriety committing serial adultery, divorcing and marrying several times over? If you’re straight, you get a free pass when it comes to the Catholic cult pronouncements. It also never condemns widows and widowers with children who’ve never remarried, single parent families. What next, compel them to marry before the Vatican recognises them as a legitimate family? What this monster is saying is tantamount to hatred and incitement to discriminate against us, one of the things that Jesus Christ definitely wouldn’t have supported. Judge not lest ye shall be judged doesn’t apply to the Catholic cult obviously.
We should demand the factual evidence for his outrageous, disgusting statement, this from a paedophile protector who was head of the Congrregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before he became Pope and claimed after his election that he knew NOTHING about it. It’s been a “tradition” in the roman cult for almost two millenia, it’s not a recent phenomenon and it’s still going on in spite of the scandal and will continue long after we’re gone. NOTHING will have changed.
religion is the most dangerous for humanaity
The recent homophobic statement of the pope needs to be seen in the context of the dwindling number of gays joining catholic seminaries and interpreted as a self defense mechanism that aims at hiding hierarchs own sexuality issues and maintaining their status quo. The pope’s words: “policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself” need to be read as follow: Policies which allow gays and lesbians to get married threaten a celibate hierarchical cast and future of the Roman Catholic Church itself.
Gay men who can legally and safely get married will no longer be forced to consider hiding behind clerical collar. Amen.
This also occurred to me. Also many of them have based their lives on the decision to be celibate because they are taught that they cannot have a fulfilling same sex relationship. If they see that gay people can be perfectly happy in same sex relationships, get married and be respected, then they may feel they have wasted their lives. So they have a vested interest in oppressing other gay people to validate their own errors of judgement. Just a thought.
Interesting point you raise.
After the scandal was exposed in America, the Pope issued an order for all seminaries to conduct in-depth psychological examinations of candidates for the priesthood to ”weed out” suspected or perceived gay men from applying, but made no mention of the heterosexual priests who were also involved in the molestation scandal and there were many who molested girls. It’s always played down or ignored to give the impression that being gay = paedophilia.
Yes, exactly, they are only worried about the knock on effect the option of gay marriage will have on prospective seminarians.
Amazing that married anglican priests who’ve converted to their cult can still remain married and continue to live together and have sexual relations. Throws that entire celibacy nonsense out of the window where it belongs. Maybe if more anglicans and other clergy do the same, it will make it harder for the Vatican to hold out.
In the light of recent events nearly causing global collapse, I thought he might better focus on the sin of usury, but then he does have one of the richest banks in the world to run.
It continues to amaze me that a man of such limited intelligence was given the leadership of one of the world’s largest religions.
And to think this malevolent grotesque was allowed the privilege of addressing both houses of parliament.
He is, after all, Pope Palpatine and will put an end to the Senate once and for all….
If only he were a fictional character.
Amusingly, he is still referred to as the Great Whore of Babylon on some of the remote island parishes of Scotland.
God bless him.
Their is no god.
We have the moral high ground, take it people.
Ever heard of irony?
We have the moral high ground i suggest we take it.
Gay people threaten the family unit – WTF do you call me, my wife & our son?! A FAMILY UNIT! Honestly, the pope is such a drama queen!
Stupidity and bigotry threaten the future of humanity far more than gay marriage equality ever will.
and just what is forbidding the use of condoms in hiv ravaged Africa doing for the human race.
Actually, the pope said no such thing. Check this:
I’m no defender, but if we’re going to rant and rave about something, let’s make sure it’s based in reality first.
How ironic that the leader of the world’s biggest peadophile ring is talking about ”appropriate settings for children”, given that the Catholic Church is the most inappropriate setting for a child.