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  1. Here is the man who perfectly understand the concept of human rights.

    1. Spanner1960 30 Dec 2011, 7:42pm

      Here is the man who perfectly understands the concept of brown-nosing and how to get a free lunch.

      1. David Waite 31 Dec 2011, 1:09am

        Here’s the thing, Spanner: Speaker Bercow actually has a record of supporting GLBT rights from the back bench, before it was ‘sexy’ to do so. Moreover, his rather loud coat of arms in graphic support of those same rights will likely lose him at least as many Conservative votes as it gains him. What’s YOUR record, Spanner?
        If Peter Tatchell made one of his appearances here and wrote what you ‘graced’ this thread with, I’d probably meekly stay silent. I’d assume that such an activist has earned the right to be rude, lewd and puerile in the comments about another activist, and might well know something about Speaker Bercow about which I was totally unaware.
        Alas, Spanner, your record on these threads makes it impossible for me to extend to you such a mantle of trust. For every occasion you are spot on about the darker side of all our natures, you rack up two or three total misses. You usually sound like a bratty child justifying its own failed potty training. (continued)

        1. David Waite 31 Dec 2011, 1:16am

          Do you have actual evidence for us, Spanner? Can you point to the as yet unfossilized future coprolith up Bercow’s nose? Or are you simply projecting from the stench emanating from your own undergarments? Has the Speaker solicited lunch money from you? Can we be sure you aren’t a spurned stalker? Solon, enlighten us.

          1. Spanner1960 31 Dec 2011, 8:42am

            Bercow is what would have been termed years ago as a ‘cad’ or a ‘bounder’. He is a man of little moral fibre and has used his influence to simply burrow his way into upper class society.

            The fact we are in one of the worst recessions since the war, the parliamentary expenses scandal has only just subsided after years of people screaming about public sector waste, and this idiot blows £37,000 on a portrait and coat of arms. And that is merely the tip of the iceberg.

            It is quite obvious where his politics lie, and he is by far not the unbiased representative he is employed to be, as his constant admonishments and interventions against Tory party speakers proves.

            I think Simon Heffer says it far more eloquently than I:

            I really wish people on here would stop putting pro LGBT people on pedestals. Sure, its nice to have someone supporting us, but there are many more things of far greater importance that one should recognise first.

      2. Helen Wilson 31 Dec 2011, 1:45am

        Errrr Spanner he is the one who has been inviting members of the LGBT community for free lunches at the house of commons this year, paid for from his budget.

        1. Spanner1960 31 Dec 2011, 12:35pm

          Well if I was on £145,000 a year plus expenses, I’d probably invite a few people round as well.

          1. Doesn’t matter what his motives are ! I’m sure they are various like most people’s ! The important thing for me like most other gays is he gets the job done !

          2. Spanner1960 1 Jan 2012, 1:42pm

            @rodent “It doesn’t matter what his motives are.”
            That just about sums you people up. You lot would vote for the love child of Adolf Hitler and Attilla the Hun if they supported gay rights.

          3. @Spanner1960

            With respect, the parentage of a politician should not affect ones decision of whether or not to vote for them …

            (I understand it was intended as a humerous aside – didn’t really work though!)

            Bercow certainlly is a true ambassador for human rights and this gives him kudos in my view.

            Given that he doesn’t seek to annexxe Austria, establish concentration camps or dominate Europe as a autocratic ruler … I think supporting his aims for human rights is a positive and strong stance to take …

          4. Spanner1960 1 Jan 2012, 6:44pm

            @Stu: “With respect, the parentage of a politician should not affect ones decision of whether or not to vote for them …”

            This is true. I wanted to be a police officer, but they turned me down when they found out my parents were married… *bdum!* *tish!*

            One could also mention his wife:
            “Such shreds of dignity as are left to the Mother of Parliaments have been vanishing apace since Long Tall Sally, borne along by her diminutive husband John Bercow, the House of Commons Speaker, arrived on the scene.

            Sally began the year by posing starkers, but for a bedsheet, in the window of the couple’s grace-and-favour Westminster apartment; went on to appear on Celebrity Big Brother, where she discussed her “spicy” sex life; and finished by telling a political magazine that her favourite labour-saving device was a vibrator. Described by one Parliamentary chronicler as “a loose-knickered trollop”

          5. @Spanner1960

            Pleased to know your talent is photography and not comedy! lol

            Not sure where Sally Bercows performances, good or bad, are relevant in her husband seeking to improve human rights …

          6. Spanner1960 2 Jan 2012, 5:37pm

            @Stu: Not my words, hence the quote marks.

            What I am trying to say is just because somebody happens to tick one of your boxes doesn’t mean you should support them if virtually every other box is crossed. I judge people, (and parties, organisations and companies), across a wide band of ideals, not just one or two.

          7. @Spanner1960

            So do I …

            and even those I profoundly disagree with, I can agree with their stances on some issues in isolation … or disagree with someone who I predominantly agree with on a sole issue …

  2. Great words and practical and honest support from Bercow.

    Bercow clearly gets human rights

  3. Admirable.

    Many, many gays in the world do not have a voice.

    I agree that once I become aware of a gay rights violation, especially in countries where homosexuality is actually criminalized, I have the responsibility to speak out.

    For example, it takes only a few minutes to locate a news site in any country and to leave a comment reminding its readers that gay rights are human rights.

    Thank you, John Bercow and Kaleidoscope.

  4. I don’t salute Tories very often but ten out of ten to Bercow for this.

  5. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 30 Dec 2011, 3:18pm

    Well done, Mr Bercow. Thank you for your hard work and support.

    I hope it makes a difference to your party that at least you see sexual discrimination for the crime it is. Hopefully you won’t entirely focus on Africa, but much, much closer to home…

  6. It’s a shame there aren’t a few more like John Bercow.
    And yes, I agree Mr R’sA there’s plenty to be addressed here at home.

  7. Robert in S. Kensington 30 Dec 2011, 3:43pm

    Well done, Mr. Speaker. I only hope he will be just as vocal and supportive of marriage equality once the consultation begins, assuming there won’t be yet another delay.

  8. God Bless this man who exposes the evil some barbaric Christians and Muslims do to gays in the world. LGBT people need to be protected and made aware that they need to fight back to win their freedom while they still can at this time in history. To all my gay brothers and sisters I say fight (peacefully) for your fight to be free as a LGBT person in the world and help free your brothers and sisters who are being oppressed by evil and barbaric people in the world. God the creator of LGBT people is with us and on our side now.

  9. Great project – but what a pity that Peter Tatchell is apparently barred from attending linked events in the Houses of Parliament. Does anyone know why that is? (see link to launch of Kaleidoscope).

    1. Helen Wilson 1 Jan 2012, 11:31am

      Its probably his history of hijacking event to do his publicity stuns…..He is his own worse enemy in that regard.

  10. Well said Mr Bercow, what many choose to overlook is that equality in this case isn’t so much a gay/straight issue as a fundamental human rights issue.

    History will vindicate him and others who have spoken out in the name of equality.

    1. It’s not a gay/straight thing at all, rather it is organised anti-gay religions waging war upon LGBT’s.

      1. Yes of course it is, but it is presented by the anti gay religious as gays seeking “special concessions”. People who comment in the Daily Mail and on other forums don’t always add, “BTW I am an evangelical loon”.

  11. GingerlyColors 31 Dec 2011, 12:32am

    John Bercow, a Conservative has shown himself to be a supporter of gay rights. Michael Martin (Gorbals Mick) on the other hand was opposed to gay equality even though he is from the Labour Party which is supposed to be more gay friendly than the Conservatives!

  12. you’d think this is gay utopia. we still have many problems in London some places are no go areas and forget showing affection in public. OK were not being kill by the state but there is a lot of hostility

    1. To use a line you used yesterday, James!

      “Its never enough is it ..”

      1. Sort out your own yard first is what I mean we can’t tell other countries how to live when we still have these problems. Scandinavian countries yes us no. we should be taking lessons

        1. B@llocks …

          Are you saying that because we have a problem with gun crime, that we can’t give recommendations to another country as to how to handle gun crime?

          Are you saying that because there is a lack of equality in the division of genders in UK baordrooms that we can not contribute to international organisations that seek to address this?

          Of course we can

          Of course we have a journey to go on LGBT issues – but we are considerably further on than many other nations – and continuing to push further … we can of course comment (particularly when our rights situation is better eg being gay is not a crime here – of course we can comment on the inhumane nature of criminalising it in coutnries such as Jamaica)

          1. Happy new year Stu. while I understand your passion swearing is not really you. I live in London and in supermarket on Thursday the first cashier closed her till the second one called security for a laugh and she was hostile and rude. This is standard London rubbish and it happens every day. I want the casual anti gay behavior to be challenged loads of gay people leave London.

            And yes we are in no position to, lecture anyone when we also send old and disabled people to die and let vosafone and top shop off their fair tax. We are not living in a gay bubble

          2. @James!

            Happy New Year.

            You obviously don’t know me that well – I used to put more cash in the swear tin than most at work (don’t have one now though). I do try and moderate my language on PN though.

            I’m not entirely sure what you are trying to say about the closure of a till in a supermarket … not clear how that relates to any of your argument ..

            What I would say is that if we have to wait until the UK is a panacea of how LGBT issues should be dealt with and how society should behave – then we will never get to the point of urging other nations to decriminalise homosexuality, and that would be letting down those people who live in Cameroon, Ghana, Saudi Arabia, Jamaica etc etc

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 31 Dec 2011, 3:05pm

      I don’t know one western country where there isn’t hostility to gay people in public. In most of them, religious bigtory is at the root of it, centuries of it. In spite of it, the UK is still a better country than many others and I would argue better than America when you look at the progress we’ve made in such a very short time. We don’t always get everything we want immediately, but we will get there and we will win the marriage equality debate too. Time is on our side and so is much of the public. We may have our small number of religious nutters, but let’s be thankful they don’t control the political system as they do in many other countries, including America. Though I’m not a Tory, I don’t know of any other conservative government in the world whose leader supports marriage equality. It would have been unthinkable a decade ago.

      1. W should rake lessons from Scandinavian countries before add go telling the world what to do

        1. So when LGBT groups in other nations ask us to assist them, we should say “Sorry too busy sorting our own LGBT issues yet – we know you can be sent to prison – but developing our own rights is much more important than supporting you …”

          Rubbish … we can seek to improve our own situation AND encourage others – the two are not (nor should they be) mutually exclusive

          1. No

            I know one ex service user who is dead cause of the cuts. The UK had no moral authority

          2. First of all, campaigning is not just government action – in case you had not noticed this is not a state controlled nation. Many camapigining is by individuals, third sector organisations, some private companies etc (as well as some state led campaigning).

            It is for those individuals, organisations and companies to determine where they feel their efforts and funds would be best used.

            As for government efforts – making a speech and changing a policy hardly costs money – and it is making a difference. Nor does supporting a third sector organisations work by publically standing up and endorsing it eg as the govt support Kaleidoscope.

            Its immoral to suggest that campaigning abroad to improve human rights should not occur till everything is fantastic in the UK. The two issues are not mutually exclusive and influencing overseas issues can be beneficial to the UK economically, morally and otherwise.

        2. GingerlyColors 2 Jan 2012, 4:42pm

          Maybe the Norwegians can teach us a thing or two. They don’t need the European Union, they have done very well economically and they have gay marriages. Just because some nutjob recently ran round shooting people doesn’t mean that Norway isn’t a great place to live. If I could speak Norwegian I probably up sticks and move there!

  13. Nameo Obum 1 Jan 2012, 3:36am

    By all means, gay people can campaign but they should go anywhere near Africa or ordinary people will take the law into their own hands. It is very dangerous. Africans may never live down the insults given to them recently especially, by David Cameron.

    1. Ignore the troll

      1. I know but out would be great if the Africans who hate homos didn’t come here

      2. Spanner1960 1 Jan 2012, 2:05pm

        He’s not a troll, he speaks the truth. Unfortunately Africa still lives up to its reputation of being a continent of primitive savages, so he is right to warn civilised Westerners to steer well clear of it.

        1. … and we resort to bigoted racist language, disappointingly …

          1. Spanner1960 1 Jan 2012, 6:46pm

            Neither bigoted nor racist. The news show the facts that if they aren’t attacking gays, white farmers or political opponents, they are hacking each other to bits with machetes.

          2. and of course all UK people are shooting or stabbing each other incdluding their families, if we believe the news as being generally reflective of how all people in a particular country behave …

            (A simple google news check for firearms incidents and stabbings in the UK in the past 7 days showed 9 shootings and 24 stabbings including at least 16 fatalities – this may not be a comprehensive total …)

            So, unless this means that all British people go around shooting and stabbing each other (quite savage acts, I would contend) then I think jumping to the concusion you reach about Africans being savages is wrong and racist.

          3. Spanner1960 2 Jan 2012, 5:40pm

            @Stu: Yeah right. And over 50 men, women and children were mercilessly slaughtered on Christmas day in Nigeria alone. It’s becoming almost an everyday occurrence. Get a bit of perspective mate.

            Also, I never mentioned the race, I mentioned the country. As it happens, most of the violence is religious and/or tribal, but then I suppose you will now label me “Islamophobic” by the same token.

          4. @Spanner1960

            It was the phrase “savages” that I consider to be racist …

            And on New Years day there were people murdered in Co Durham (4), Sheffield, Nuneaton (2), Norfolk (2), London, Lancashire, Sussex and probably more I am unaware of … is that not “primative” savagery …?

            Also you did not mention a country – it was a continent …

  14. Thank you Mr Speaker for speaking out.

  15. Thank you John Bercow for your support and dedication. Let us now see it in realtime action. Full Gay Rights, Gay Marriage etc.

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