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Tesco “fully committed” to gay staff, and “practical benefits rather than events”

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  1. Great that they plan to continue to support LGBT staff

    I remain very disappointed and let down by Tesco that they gave in to the blackmail by the Christian Institute

    1. Galadriel1010 23 Dec 2011, 5:53pm

      I don’t know if they have, or if this is just another round in the discussion that’s been going around the subject since they annouced that they were going to sponsor Pride. It is a change from what they usually sponsor, so I can understand if they were planning to make it a one off thing for World Pride and then move onto more practical things (which, coincidentally, don’t have the same marketing value). It makes sense for them to respond to the CI and the Daily Mail at this point and also try to make their plans clear.

      Maybe I need my prescription less rose-tinted, but the timing seems reasonable(ish) and the marketing ploy seems obvious, cynical and pretty textbook.

      1. Well said Galadriel. This has been my reading from the start. Unfortunately we haven’t been to smart here – we’ve managed to give the CI a crowing headline where none was to be had. The real headline “Despite pressure from fundie nutters Tesco maintains it’s support for the LGBT community AND continues it’s support for the one off Pride-during-the-Olympics event”.

        1. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:20am

          Exactly Wingby!!

    2. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:19am

      Have they though Stu? or are you rising to the CI propaganda white elephant?

  2. 2 champers sips to being a diva 23 Dec 2011, 5:50pm

    Let’s boycott Tesco just to prove how few people wish them to bend to the threats of a minority,

    1. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:20am

      because?

  3. I’m not sure about dismissing Pride as an “event”. Yes there is a parade and music acts etc. But every time I’ve been to a Pride there has been places to go for health guidance, legal rights, local and national services. The media focuses on the costumes and the glitz but it is a place to touch base and establish community unity. I’m sure that Pride is different things to different people, dismissing it as a party and a p1ss up is short-sighted. My first Pride way back when I was much younger was an eye-opener to me, and probably the first time I felt like everything was going to be OK. Seeing LGBT folks as far as I could see was a profound experience – I was not alone. I think that hetero people don’t understand that. Most folks in minorities usually at least have family to relate to. LGBT folks tend not to have that support mechanism that heterosexuals take it for granted.

  4. Perhaps Tesco could tell us which portion of their charitable budget is being spent on “projects” that support equality…

    1. Whichever ones will ultimately increase their profits.

      Tesco is a monster corporation, It would support slavery if it increased profit.

  5. Robert in S. Kensington 23 Dec 2011, 6:34pm

    I think Tesco is playing both sides.I’d like to see how the CI responds to this latest piece of news from Tesco.

  6. Mumbo Jumbo 23 Dec 2011, 6:56pm

    “We are totally committed to tolerance and inclusion inside and outside our business.”

    So why give in so easily to a group as hateful and prejudiced as the Christian Institute?

    1. Tesco is a corporation whose sole motive is profit.

      They will do ANYTHING to protect their bottom line.

      I don’t think an organisation like Tesco is an appropriate sponsor for Pride.

      Unless Pride supports exploitation of staff, destruction of small towns, and forcing small traders out of business by their ruthless business practises.

      Tesco doie what Tesco does to make money.

      If Tesco thought that sacking their gay employees would help their profits they’d find a way to discreetly sack them all.

      I’d trust the word of Tesco less than I’d trust the word of the Christian Institute. Crazed bigots though they are at least the CI are quite clear and honest about their bigoitry.

      Tesco hires expensive PR firms to appear nice. It is anything but.

      1. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 24 Dec 2011, 5:31pm

        You would trust the Christian Institute over Tesco?! Tesco is responsible to its shareholders (and you can be a shareholder, btw), but who are the CI responsible to?! God… ie. nobody. It’s quite some reaction to bad news! Perhaps being more vocal to your local council and, in particular, the planning department would be a better route for your anger at bad town planning and/or businesses that couldn’t find an answer to big business, than siding with your sworn enemy.

        1. Well yes I’d trust the CI more than Tesco.

          At least the CI are open about their bigotry.. They are hateful and stupid, but they do not adjust their message to suit their audience like the Tesco scum do,

          Tesco is ONLY about profit, not matter what the cost or the collateral damage to anyone who stands in their way

  7. Tesco can’t win. Their position seems to me to e perfectly reasonable and let’s face it much better than most other. If companies. Far from bending to the bigotry of the CI which was calling for it to abandon its funding of Pride it is sticking to its guns. As for 2013 – I’m not even sure Pride is organising that yet

    1. I accept that everything Tesco have stated is true.

      I accept they support their LGBT staff.

      I accept they are continuing to support London Pride 2012

      I accept that the story appears to have come about as a result of a press enquiry by PN

      I do not accept that Tesco could not have foreseen that there would be this reaction to their comment given recent commentary in various media outlets linking Tesco and the CI

      That leaves me with two options a) Tesco have sucuumbed to pressure from the CI and deliberately made the comment to court the CI and their supporters or b) Tesco were incompetent in how they handled the media enquiry from PN.

      Either of the options are feasible. Neither demonstrate valuing the LGBT communities or holding equality as a strong principle governing the organisation.

      1. Tesco supports their gay staff by paying them the same wage as their straight staff ie the minimum wage.

        The idea that a corporation cares about ANYTHING other than profit is absurd.

        1. Two issues there …

          a) there is the issue of corporate responsibility and the impact that has on customers ,… yes ultimately meaning more profit but achieved by acting morally and caring …

          b) there is also the fact that a corporation is made up of people – who do care …

          1. Corporate responsibility exists only when a corporation’s bottom line is not threatened.

            Corporations are not people. That’s a line used by Republican presidential candidates when they are trying to defend grotesque corporations who have treated their employees in the same manner that Tesco treats its staff and suppliers.

            Tesco has been the most appalling company for Britain. It truly has left a toxic trail of ruined towns and bankrupt small business in its path.

            Nobody should shop at Tesco’s.

          2. @dAVID

            Don’t get me wrong – there is a lot of the Tesco approach to business that I think is vile …

            However, I think the blanket line “The idea that a corporation cares about ANYTHING other than profit is absurd.” is simplistic and stereotypes a particular political view (arguably prejudiced) rather than treating each corporation as an inidividual entity and judging it on its merits.

          3. Rubbish Stu. A corporation exists solely to make profit.

            That is taught in Commerce 101

          4. @dAVID

            Thats a polarised view of the purposes of corporations … and it certainly does not consider (at all) the issue of not-for-profit organisations (which I accept Tesco is not) …

            Nor does it consider:
            Rights and equitable treatment of shareholders
            Interests of other stakeholders
            Roles and responsibilities of the board
            Integrity and ethical behaviour
            Disclosure and transparency
            Legal and Social accountability

            all of these are included in any A level business studies course and certainly in the first year of any business (or business related) degree worth its salt …

      2. Option b) Stu. I’m my experience, option b) is always the most probable. Incompetence rules.

        1. It seems that way Wingby …

    2. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:22am

      Exactly Donna!!

  8. carrie baker 23 Dec 2011, 11:51pm

    The aclu is going to have to take serious action against a tennesseee school, who has been violating gay children and is said to have been secretly telling the students not to stand up for themselves, as gay children , Hell no , any parent that nos your child is gay and in that school had better get with the aclu in Tennesse and get that school sued and faculty and administration, fired, no school that teaches chidren other than their own, cannot tell other children, what they can or cannot say about wether they are gay or not, if they dont want to talk about their personal life that school had better not be in their private persoanl life, including gay faculty, if they want to be out and open about being gay , that sschool had better not be found terrorizing and stigmatizing these children in schools thats psychological abuse and stigmaztion an abuse of their self esteem, and that is a high reprimand for child abuse by the educations system that is their to build self -esteems

    1. Piss off Baker, you dreary bore.
      Are you illiterate, or do you simply refuse to comment on the story being discussed

    2. Hi Carrie. You seem to be very agitated and determined to undermine all churches. You are right that there are some bad people who will seek to abuse people and power, they are in some churches just as they are in many organisations. However please don’t blame God for these bad people, he loves us all! If you go to your local C of E, Baptist, or methodist church I would expect that you won’t find the ‘bad’ men, you should find a group of people who may not like your stance on sexuality but will love you for who you are. Christians hate sin and love people, as God taught them. Some don’t get it right all of the time. Christians are the first to admit that they are sinners, so no better than anyone else, what they do have is a relationship with God their father. -this doesn’t make them better than anyone else but realtionship with God is why we were all made.

  9. carrie baker 24 Dec 2011, 12:06am

    Tesco has a right to run its own business in a human rights form, its not the churches businsess nor the governments, they cannot tell tesco who to help in charities who to give its funding to or not to give its funding to unless it is a hate fill klan or relilgions who is not helping in charities , aninstead apart of the greed an abuses that many hetersexual churches have been found in, i was told by some high profile people and it later came out on national tv, that the churches of hetersesxual especialy the bigots an hate groups where responsibley for hidden slavery and sex crimes and murder, an it has all been coming out true, from the top diocese to the local churches, ran by sydicates of greed abusing the poor, officials who came forward also stated that it was verified , that the religions in hetersesxual mainly the men, had conspiracies out, to oppress the nations families an wanted to ttry and keep any company or agency from helping poor people an lgbt , an other charity

  10. carrie baker 24 Dec 2011, 12:14am

    The wickedness an conspiracies, has been going on in the top mega churches to dioceses and even local realms imbeded there by them been followeres of these wicked accults and the local churches trying to be like them when led by greedy men several bad pastors where interveiewed by 20/ 20 and told their story about how the biggor hetero churches told them scam and abuse after abuse to run on their congregations in order to deceive the people and rip off the poor people and build bigger churches and collect the funds for themselves and divide it amond the men, for lavish living , all while lying to the people about miracles in order to brainwash them, the pastors also told the news , that the churches would stand before the people and hold up false checks they had personally written to lie and say that it was a miracle handed to them , an they should follow their teachings an what they say to recevie the same miracles, the checks where not real the pastor said an every thing was a hoax

  11. Tesco doesn’t give a toss about its gay staff.
    Tesco doesn’t give a toss about ANY of its staff.
    Working in Tesco is a minimum wage job.
    Tesco’s only goal is to make money by any and every means possible.
    Tesco is one of the largest landowners in the country. And wherever Tesco goes, the small town on whose suburb Tesco sits in, is destroyed.

    There are more ethical supermsarket chains.

    Tesco really is the dregs when it comes to staff treatment and the appalling influence it has had on rural life.

    Do not shop at Tesco if you can avoid it.

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 24 Dec 2011, 3:00am

      I shop there.

      My hubby has a job there.

      Do you think boycotting a place does not hurt gay people.

      I agree with all of your statements, however we live in reality and not
      some principled wonderland.

      All corporate entities operate this way.

      Their only allegiance is to profit for shareholders and themselves.

      Grow up and welcome to capitalism, however if you wish I’m sure you can move to North Korea, or some Islamic country.

      1. And if people spent a bit of time making an effort to shop ethiically then Tesco would lose their ability to destroy rural Britain.

        Your attitude is lazy and defeatist.

    2. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 24 Dec 2011, 5:38pm

      Yawn, yes, be an ethical shopper, but sometimes it is too petrol-intensive, and Tesco is just a shop.

      Are you a disgruntled employee?!

      People like shopping at Tesco and nobody cares about their competition gets up to!

      It’s a sad fact of life (that people are lazy and prefer a one-stop-shop and that to facilitate this type of shopper the shop goes to them), but get over it, dAVID, and write to Tesco to tell them you are not happy that they are not sponsoring future Pride events. I know I would if I gave a sh!t.

      1. Tesco are scum. That’s all I am saying.

        If you have a choice to shop elsewhere then you should.

        Really.

  12. carrie baker 24 Dec 2011, 12:21am

    The pastors also told the news that the churches would all try and get the big businesses to suppport them and their own pocket book so that they the bad pastors would use the money to by them private jets and houses all over the nation, to screww around in out of pocket of the ministry and their wives back home, the man showed the news the gimicks , other churches had showed them to do inorder to mis lead the churches and to abuse the people , the people from holly wood church of scientology some who quit the church gave statement to the news that they where affiliated with other false prophets religions who kept trying to syphol millions of dollars from the tv actors and actresses for their own person use, and not to help the poor in any of their churches nor in real charities, This evil wicked person who plays god is the head of the greed for power and abuse of and in the churches and of poor people and lgbt community, and womens rights, him and the Randy White of tampa florida

    1. Wow – your posts are dull and unreadable

  13. carrie baker 24 Dec 2011, 12:31am

    Randy white of tampa florida, is one of the head of the kkk klan for real, and he is a false prophet who was the bad pastor of without walls , church in tampa florida, who was divorced by his wife whose biologiocal familiy is kkk klan from mississippi, they use code names jesus and god, they are an occult group linked to wicked politicians and hate groups of bigotry all personal freinds of gearge bush, whose son attended their church , with other fellow hate republicans including old man cain or macain all racist, who had said many times they hated minorites , lgbt, and poor people, the lady paula white who was the pastor also of the church of without walls false ministry told on all of them, but these people all attended their when i was there, Randy white, the bad co pastor, and George and jed bushes personally friends boasted about how the would swindle billions of dollars from the government by lying and saying it was to help poor people , but instead they would spend it on jets

  14. carrie baker 24 Dec 2011, 12:39am

    Some of the bad politicaians who where linked to this religion and other religions, where tied into the distrubution into the hand of greedy pastors lavished life styles, and nothing in charity and missionary work really been done for the people, the lady pastor told me the scammed people by taking pictures with poor children and families just for pr purposes, to look good on magazines, and to get more donations in for their personal use, they arrested a pastor and his two sons last year for taking twelve million dollars from the churches people and buying him and his sons 3 personal jet airplanes to go off partying in with the churches money, and had scammed the church and the poor people out of pretty much all they had, the wicked pastor admitted to his evils an scams, he also had 6 million dollars of the money in his pocket on him when they arrested him, last year, getting on a n airplane, and was suppose to be in church, Alot of the bad politicans who belong to hate groups no

  15. carrie baker 24 Dec 2011, 12:47am

    The bad pastors on tv, told on the other pastors, they said because the mega churches made them promises that where for their own personal benefit, and promised to send the cut of money and divide it with them every time the make alot of money off of the people in any of their churches , they where suoppose to divide it with them , makeing all the men in the bad religiiosn rich and they said the top mega churches, did not split all of the money fairly with them , they kkept most of it for themselves, ,this where all televised testimonises of bad pastors who admitted to cchurch scandels and its false and bad ministries of abuse lies and scams headed by the wicked god person and jesus person and trinity, conspiracy, of church wickedness that has been coming out and unvieled, as well as their sex crimes, their where founded churches with graves of young children, graves unmarked of kids adopted by the twisted hetero religions murders and rapes of children behind their churches, unveil

  16. carrie baker 24 Dec 2011, 12:56am

    The murders and sex abuse of those chidren was unveiled on national tv where the reporter took the camera behind the church and showed all the graves of adopted children by the churh who where rapped and murdered and buried behind the church hidden by the congregation and following another david karesh and jeff warrens, the pastor and wife of another simialr incidnent was arrested several years ago for the same thing, on tv, news, Many pedehiles and abusers of children and hate religions are tied to all of the hate republlican politians if you check their connections, th;ey caught Gearge Bush in personal ;photos, hanging out with Bishop Eddie long at his evil hate church of racims and pedephilia,, Bush was hugging Eddie long and they had given each other a close kiss and cameras caught most of it on film and they aired it in the new Enquirer the real photos, A lot of these hate republicans where linked to Ted haggard , sex pedehile mega pastors religion also, several churches publish

  17. carrie baker 24 Dec 2011, 1:05am

    The several churches who published public apoligies for the part their older members and bad pastor had played in hidden slavery and abuses, I have a copy of those reports including photos of these false prophets with republicans, They hang out and pass money back and forth between them if they each go along with bigotry and sex acts and abuse involving women and children, all of this has hit the news each week and month from the diocese of hate, found to be pedehiles and commiiting sex crimes against children, the duth church finding over 20,000 sexual abuses cildren and more, all the hetersexul churches in the us, including jerry farewell hate filled ministries, co pastor arrested for kdinapping women and hiding them in a trailer behind his big church, the murders by several near by and others abroad in us bad pastor murdering thier wives and trying to get the mistresses to take part in it, and they told in several cases one in fort worth, the other mega church bad ministers

  18. I have an idea! Why don’t Tesco support an “event” that has “practical benefits”? Maybe an event like Pride?

    1. Like a hetrosexual Pride, now that is a GOOD idea.

      1. They would if it increased profit.

  19. carrie baker 24 Dec 2011, 1:34am

    another mega bad minister, murdered and old wealthy millionare man in his church and thought no one would think it was him , he murdered the man because he had had the man sighn over his things and possession to him and the old man told him he was leaving his ministry, later, and the demon of evil pastor murdered the old man and tried to covver it up with an aid in the church and the police found out every thing including the pastor had put his name on all of the mans possessions, to be left to him. and , the man was gooing to leave and remove him, another false pastor, rapped his 8 year old daughter and some cchurch children and was trying to get them not to tell by telling them lies from the bible, to make it seem as god was telling him to do it and it was suppose to be, and they told the pastor wife, and she was going to report hims to the police and the bad pastor killed her and put her body in an ice box in his garage and told the congregation she left town to family

    1. You stupid harpie.

  20. carrie baker 24 Dec 2011, 1:45am

    THe religions are hetersexual greedy people who are liars and hate groups an try and keep others from doing good and charitable works for others, this one sick creep wrote that he was god and he did not belileve in any one helping anyone, an did not lilke charities , that sound like the evil religions of these false gods and latter day saints of jesus, jeff warrens, ask or better yet you trace an see just where the money goes in their religions , in the pockets of the bad pastor, check his assets, this is why TESCO, YOU DO NOT LISTEN TO CORRUPT RELIGIONS , YOU GIVE AND HELP LGBT IN ANY WAY YOU SEE FIT THRU MONETARY MEANS , GOOD SHELTERS DEEDS, DONATIONS OF ALL KINDS TO SUPPLIIES OF ALL KIND AND CHARITES OF GOODNESS ALL OVER, YOU TELL THOSE FALSE AN WICKED RELIGIONS OF GREED AND DECEPTION TO KISS YOUR ASS, THEY WILL BE ARRESTED IF THEY VIOLATE YOUR PRIVATE LIFE OF PERSONAL HUMANITY, THAT YOUR BANK, ACCOUNT, TO DO GOOD WITH, NOT TO GIVE TO THEIR FAKE AND FALSE AGENDAS,

  21. carrie baker 24 Dec 2011, 2:03am

    ITS LIKE THE REPUBLICAN HATE GROUPS STANDING IN THE ROAD TRYING TO BLOCK A DEMOCRATIC FROM CROSSING THE ROAD AND HAND A PERSON DYING A DRINK OF WATER, ALL BECAUSE THEY NO GOOD AND EVIL AND COULD CARELESS ABOUT THE ECOMY FOR REAL AND THE FAMLIES, YOU SEE THE REPUBLICANS CAR ARE MIGHT I SAY LIMO, IS FILLED TO THE HILT , WITH THE FINEST SPRING WATER ALL FOR HIMSELF AND A POCKET FULL OF MONEY TO TAKE TO HIS MILIONDALOR GOLF CLUB, WHERE HE WASTES THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST TO PLAY GOLF , BUT WILL RUN A MILE TO STOP A DEMOCRAT FROM HANDING FAUCET WATER TO A DYING THIRSTY PERSON, THIS IS TRUE, EVIL BIBLE CARRYING CREEPS ON THE WAY TO HELL LIKE PHAROUGH AND KING HEEROD, LOW DOWN–YOU TELL THEM TESCO KIS YOUR ASS, ARE YOU WILL GET YOUR OWN LAWYER AND ACLU AND TASK FORCE , THERE ARE GAY LAWYERS AND POLICE OFFICERS,

  22. Dr Robin Guthrie 24 Dec 2011, 3:01am

    Carrie baker has had a brain dump.

    1. Hasn’t she just… my finger hurts from scrolling..

      1. You need one of those USB mice with a scroll-wheel that lets you zoom right past walls of letters and characters.

        1. I do but I disabled it…. this fight between nosey and “couldn’t care” lol

    2. Nurse!

  23. I’m glad that Tesco suport their LGBT staff, but how do they support their LBBT customers, especially those who are, or have loved ones who are, in the closset, for whom Pride is much more than “an event”?

    And they MUST know how this announcement will be interpreted by the bigots. It is a very clear signal as to where their sympathies lie, as wll as a pathetic attempt to sit on the (o)fence.

    1. Well, Graham, they are supporting their customers with their one off support for World Pride (which they are doing exceptional in 2012 – like most corporate sponsors do). I’m afraid this story has been spun terribly. Their only announcement has been to clarify their policy to a PN reporter, who in turn has managed to turn it into an own goal.

      1. They should have realised the impact their comment would have had – pathetically inadequate PR team if they could not foresee this

        1. There is no reason why Tesco should embroil itself in our spat with the CI – they are playing a straight bat, which is what any grown up organisation should do.

          Get some perspective, Stu, we are not at the centre of Tesco’s world. Remember, bigots are people who want to impose their perspectives on others. We would want to become bigots ourselves, surely.

          1. I mean ‘not want to become’ of course. Ooops

          2. I am disappointed that Tesco have failed to understand and consider the impact of both the timing and nature of their comments.
            As someone who has given numerous comments to the media on child protection matters, I think long and hard about possible questions I might be asked and have planned answers (that I hoped would not lead to repercussions). Even holding statements were planned to appear helpful.
            The manner of this statement may just be incompetence but Tesco should address this. I appreciate their business is not focussed on the LGBT communities (nor should it be) but they should show respect and be seen to. Whether deliberate or through misjudgement this has been brought into question and they should attempt to remedy.

        2. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:25am

          Who says they didn’t. Fact remains nothing has changed, they’re still contributing to World London Pride 2012 as they said they would.

    2. de Villiers 24 Dec 2011, 8:07pm

      Surely they support their LGBT customers by having low prices?

      1. Unless their LGBT customers have been driven out of business by Tesco undercutting their prices with the sole intention of closing them down.

        Tesco is capitalism at its worst.

  24. David Skinner 24 Dec 2011, 10:44am

    A phobia is an irrational fear or hatred of something – something which presumably can be clinically diagnosed .
    Bigotry is an ignorant prejudice based upon societal conditioning.
    I have to say that the LGBTs are guilty of both for they suffer from the following in good measure:
    ALATHEIAPHOBIC BIGOTRY Hatred of Truth ulathaphobic
    THEOSOPHOBIC BIGOTRY Hatred of God
    HAGIOTESPHOBIC BIGOTRY : hatred of holiness hagiotasephobic
    PAEDOPHOBIC BIGOTRY Hatred of Children
    MOROPHOBIC BIGOTRY hatred of babies
    LOGOPHOBIC BIGOTRY hatred of reason
    The LGBTs are incapable of mounting a rational reasoned debate as to why being gay is good and healthy for society. Instead they resort to mantras, personal attack and sheer bigotry.
    No technology, no reasoned debates, no appeal to common sense, or health and safety can stop this cancer eating away at the heart of our nation.

    1. and that is supposedly an example of logic!?!

      Go and get some medication!

    2. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Dec 2011, 1:01pm

      So what are you doing here trolling a gay site then? Prurient interest or just a sad case of a self-loathing religious bigot? By the way, read your bible again. “Christians” what few genuine ones there are, are not supposed to be juding anybody or bearing false witness against anyone which they clearly do when they spread lies about who gay people are as a means to justify discrimination and the denial of rights. In a true democracy, rights are expanded, NOT contracted as they would be in your distorted view of the world. Religion has NO place dictating to a secular business what it can and cannot do and neither should it interfere in other areas of civil matters. How would you like it if gay people and others called for a ban on religion? The fact of the matter is, we don’t. There is an abundance of sheer bigotry within religious denominations when they don’t practice what they preach. Why don’t you direct your frustration and anger at heterosexuals the majority of whom do not attend religious services or believe, commit adultery, philander, solicit prostitutes, having sex with underage girls and divorce when they feel like a change of partner, the real threat to marriage I might add. They’re doing an excellent job of it. How can that be construed as good and healthy for society all of which have nothing to do with gay people gaining full equality? We’re constantly being denigrated, dehumanised, ridiculed, bullied, harassed verbally and physically and sometimes murdered by heterosexuals who you appear to be defending, Is it no wonder we give back what they give to us on a daily basis? You are a pathetic specimen of humanity. I suggest long-term therapy in resolving your anger and coming to terms with your sexual orientation in which you appear to be in denial, hence this illogical rant of yours.

    3. Deeside Will 24 Dec 2011, 2:36pm

      Since living languages are continually changing, the meanings of words change. That means that the meaning of the original Greek or Latin word does not determine for all time the meaning of the English word derived from it. The Greek word “phobia” means “fear”, but the Concise Oxford Dictionary defines the word in modern English as “(Morbid) fear OR AVERSION” (emphasis mine).

      There are basically two kinds of homophobics, i.e. those who have a morbid aversion to gays.
      (1) Those whose homophobia is simply a learned reaction. Perhaps they’ve been taught years ago by their parents, elder siblings, fellow schoolchildren, unprofessional teachers, clergy etc. that it’s the “proper” way to react. If the subject of homosexuality comes up, they will spout the usual homophobic nonsense, but unless the matter is brought to their attention, they probably won’t give it much thought from one year’s end to the other.
      (2) Those whose homophobia is obsessional. They flaunt it on every possible and impossible occasion. These are the ones who give grave cause for concern. Yes, sometimes they are secret homosexuals who are cowering in the closet, but that is not the only explanation. They may be hiding something which, unlike homosexuality, is REALLY discreditable. I have known of such cases.

    4. Helen Wilson 24 Dec 2011, 2:48pm

      So hours before the supposed most important day in the Christian calender, the greatest opportunity you have each year to spread supposed christian values of peace and love an goodwill to all mankind, you take the opportunity to troll a lgbt news site insulting people.

      If I did believe in the bible, maybe I’d believe these words of Jesus: Matthew 7:15 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

      3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

      Hmmmm Jesus seems to have a problem with people like you Skinner

      1. Helen Wilson 24 Dec 2011, 2:51pm

        15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

        True and False Disciples

        21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

        Looks like Jesus hates the David Skinners of this world as much as we do!

        1. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Dec 2011, 3:33pm

          You’ve put it exactly right! Hypocrites all.

      2. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Dec 2011, 3:32pm

        Helen, absolutely right about that. Very few of these so called “christians” barely practice what Jesus Christ preached. If I remember, didn’t hde say that anyone who wants to be a follower must sell all he has and give to the poor? None of them do it, among other things. Regarding the Matthew 7 verse, the majority of them ignore it for convenience sake. They are the most hypocritical of all. This is also another way of imposing their religious beliefs on everyone when many of us aren’t christian either and that includes atheists of course. Being baptised into the “christian” faith doesn’t necessarily make one a “christian”, maybe in name only and that’s it. Action speaks louder than words and from what I’ve seen from this Tesco debacle, I’ve not seen one shred of charity towards others coming from the CI, among others. ‘Tis the season to judge obviously. I don’t think Jesus Christ would much care for these nutters who aren’t supposed to shout their beliefs from the rooftops.

    5. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:26am

      Skinner, you really do talk a load of sh!t!

  25. I’d rather boycott Pride than Tesco.

  26. auntie babs 24 Dec 2011, 11:45am

    i’m sure i recall recent stories where LGBT people (customers) have been asked to leave Tesco stores – now unless said customers were sh@gging in the aisles – I would like to see Tescos confirm that they support LGBT customers too. (ie that we can go there with our partners and hold hands without being asked to leave)

  27. they are funding next years event, and working with out to see what they can do in the future. good for tesco for helping the LGBT community. if tesco did nothing for us, than there wouldn’t be any reason to boycott their stores. tesco are still helping us so thats all that matters. thank you Tesco.

    1. Yes, you are right Dan. At least tesco have got involved in this debate and made some favourable undertakings. Other large companies have just kept their heads down. Probably waiting to see what the winning side is going to be before committing in any way

    2. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:30am

      exactly!

  28. So what “practical benefits” are those? Simply adhering to employment law they’ve no choice but to abide by?

    Imagine if following complaint by other far right groups, Tesco announced that it was no longer supporting the Mobo awards or black history month or something similar. And that it send an email to the complainers saying that their support of these events “implies no moral, philosophical or political stance”

    Then imagine if they rushed out a response saying ‘No, we’re fully committed to support our staff members who are black’

    ….would there be a HUGE mainstream media hullaballoo about it by now? I think there almost certainly would be.

  29. UncleAdrian 24 Dec 2011, 1:49pm

    So a company supports an event one year and then decides not to again – and get vilified for it?

    This kind of knee jerk reaction is the BEST way to ensure that in future companies will not look at sponsoring events like Pride – as they will fear the hysterical reaction if they decide not to sponsor the next year!

    Big companies get 1,000s and 1,000s of requests for sponsorship every year – and get accused of being heartless when they say no to most of them!

    We should be thankful that they sponsored once – and perhaps disappointed that they aren’t in 2012.

    1. The timing of it is suspect, as are the alleged emails sent to complainers from the Christian Institute from Tesco.

      When they acknowledge complaints, point out (bizarrely IMO) that support of the event in the next 12 months that they’re already committed to, makes no political or moral statement, and then within days announce their ceasing of sponsoring the event for 2013, it does look a little suspect.

      More than a little suspect, I think. As you say it’s their right to sponsor whatever event they wish, but if anyone believes that the timing of the announcement wasn’t directly linked with complaints form the CI, I suggest are a bit naive.

      1. Aaron, the timing of what? The timing was determined by the PN reporter who rang up Tesco. Tesco told him what their position was: it didn’t announce any change in policy or direction’. There was no story here – but now there is, screaming from the CI’s website.

        Tesco have been caught in a manufactured scrap between us and the CI and we’re complaining that instead of siding with us, they’re staying neutral – the grown up position in this.

        Time to move on and lick our self-inflicted wounds.

        1. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:31am

          Indeed Wingby. Sadly we seem to have some jumping the gun and making something out of nothing.

  30. Since Tesco is reading these comments, I’d like to suggest the following course of action, which will quell this controversy and allow everyone to move on. I think that if you were to take these few reasonable steps within the next week, the matter will end on a very satisfactory note:

    – In short order, select a gay/lesbian charity or group that provides “practical benefits” and publicly announce Tesco’s support of it at the same financial level that was intended to be directed toward London Pride.

    – Make it absolutely clear that any shift of funds from London Pride to this other gay charitable cause is not the result of the demands of the Christian Institute

    – Re-affirm Tesco’s support for full equality for gay and lesbians. This needs to be unambiguous and not couched as narrow support for your gay employee group. The point is to make clear to the UK that Tesco supports the principle of equality.

    1. Why do you want them to cancel their funding of World Pride? The organisers of it would be well p1ssed off with you!

      1. It is not a matter of my wanting them to cancel their sponsorship of Pride. It is a matter of allowing them a choice in how to support gay equality. If they say that they prefer to support charities that provide practical benefits rather than events, then they should be permitted to tailor their support accordingly. I don’t think you could fault Tesco if it decided to donate to gay youth support groups or marriage equality groups as opposed to a Pride event. In fact, I think their money would be better spent. Let Tesco select a different gay charity and at the same time make clear that its philanthropy is not influenced by the Chrisitan Institute.

        1. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:45am

          One event they helping with and all this?

    2. Hi Dennis….. You seem to misunderstanding Tesco. They do not support charity because they believe in it, it is simply part of the strategy to boost market share. As an employer Tesco does try very hard to treat staff equally, and give people opportunities. Making an issue of your sexuality, which should have no bearing on your job, is often a way of singling yourself out as different, and is even in some cases confrontational. I.e. If you hold a differing opinion from me, or don’t like me, I count that as discrimination because it must be due to my sexuality!
      At this time Tesco are getting a bashing from the very people they were helping…. so why would they bother to support them again. Especially when the vast majority of the people who have an opinion would rather Tesco supported a cancer charity than one about people who make their sexual preferences the defining factor of their whole lives???

      1. Sexual preferences Mark?

        Are you a Tesco employee working in their PR department?

        Sexual orientation is not a sexual preference. Which if you were LGBT then you would know this already.

  31. Spanner1960 24 Dec 2011, 2:24pm

    I think the words “backpedalling like fck” spring to mind.

    Sorry people, but life’s like that, you are never going to keep everyone happy whatever you do, so choose your enemies, as well as your friends, wisely.

    1. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:49am

      backpaddling to what exactly?

  32. John Allan 24 Dec 2011, 3:10pm

    very proud of tesco this was a great decision

    1. You’re proud of a corporation?

      How desperate are you?

    2. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:27am

      Good for you.

  33. Helen Wilson 24 Dec 2011, 3:53pm

    Its clear TESCO do not support lgbt families as that’s the message they are sending in all this. I cant think of anything so low as to pick on le children of lgbt people, shame on TESCO and shame on the Christian Institute.

    That’s thousands of pounds worth of shopping and petrol I wont be buying from them next year. My little bit of money wont be helping TESCO make record profits next year.

    Every litte helps to beat ignorance in cowardly companies like TESCO.

    1. Helen, have you read this story? Tesco is funding the World Pride Family area to the tune of £30k. And despite a ‘boycott’ from the CI, they have reiterated their commitment to that event AND further committed to support the LGBT community through their staff organisation. They have backed down on absolutely nothing that they’ve committed to.

      Why should they commit to future spending just because a PN reporter asks them to?

      1. They shouldn’t commit to future donations b/c a PN reporter asked them to; they should commit to future donations b/c as of now they have reduced their donations in response to a demand by an antigay, discriminatory group. Tesco can make this right by ensuring that its TOTAL gay-related contributions are not reduced and that any changes in the beneficiaries are not the result of demands by the Christian Institute. Supporting their employee group is not a substitute as that does not entail any financial commitment nor would it restore the total future funding that existed prior to Tesco’s appeasement of the Christian Institute.

      2. Helen Wilson 30 Dec 2011, 4:58pm

        the point is TESCO are about to retreat from supporting events that support the LGBTQ people because of the complaints of religious bigots. TESCO has to treat its LGBTQ staff equal its the law.

        What TESCO are about to do is cowardly, they should remember its LGBQ customers will be looking for it to support LGBTQ causes in its charitable giving. Until that has been demonstrated I urge all LGBTQ people to boycott all TESCOS.

    2. Helen you really do surprise me with this. I’ve always enjoyed your posts for being critical and intelligent, but your responses on this issue do surprise me. TESCO is still committed to the LGBT community and hasn’t reacted in a poor way. I think their response is fair and proportionate. It seems the PN reporter is trying to stir up something where there is nothing.

      1. Tesco is a corporation.

        It is bound by law (not by any sense of justice) to treat its staff equally.

    3. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:28am

      So helping fund World London Pride 2012 sets that messages eh? They’re not supporting even though they are contributing? Weird.

  34. Tesco is no “giant” it is a wimp for backing down due to pressure from the Christian hate machine called Christian Institute who a few members should be put in an institution. This is again proof England the LGBT people are not as free as they make it to be. Time to face reality the Institutional Christians are the evil ones behind wrecking freedom for LGBT people around the world. They need to be exposed and stopped before they do more damage to the lives of LGBT people everywhere.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 24 Dec 2011, 5:20pm

      Those so called “christians” can try all they want, they won’t succeed. They even tried to block Civil Partnerships and look what happened. Once marriage equality is achieved, it will be a more than deserving slap or better yet a punch on their collective face that we’ve won by a majority of support. This will only incite more intolerance and dislike or even hatred of themselves as well as alienate them. We’re a far larger minority than they are. The majority of the British public aren’t even religious let alone worship. The more they open their mouths the more absurd and irrelevant they become.

  35. I worked for a company making mosaics for the middle east and a £90,000 shipment was rejected because someone made the mistake of using a Tesco’s bag to put the instructions in.

    Tesco’s is a religious company and that’s why they are supporting the Christian Institute more than the gay community.

    They are even closing on Christmas day!

    1. Spanner1960 25 Dec 2011, 12:05am

      Er… show me any decent sized company open Christmas day. And rightly so.
      I’m no Christian, but if I had my way every Sunday would be all shut so some poor sods could get a day off.

      1. Most of the employees are part-time so they get plenty of time off and McColl’s is open on Christmas day (1,250 stores).

        1. And are they part time (on minimum wage) by choice or because Tesco does not want to pay for the benefits that full time staff enjoy?

          1. Exactly most people don’t want to work sh!t part time jobs but they have no choice.

            Try juggling multiple part time jobs to make a decent wage for yourself and the companies you work for sack you for not being flexible enough.

    2. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:51am

      And why they’re still contribyting to World LondoN Pride 2012? makes no sense.

  36. bullfaeces.

  37. They say the support gay employees but never mention their T staff, nuff said

    1. your point is?

    2. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:29am

      er what now?

  38. David Skinner 26 Dec 2011, 12:31pm

    For the avoidance of doubt I am fully committed to the defeat of Stonewall and its queer Marxist ideology before they and it destroy many more victims suffering from same sex attractions.

    1. Robert in S. Kensington 26 Dec 2011, 4:41pm

      Obviously you haven’t been able to cure yourself as a “victim” of same-sex attraction hence your frequent visits to Pink News. You need to get into therapy, no tthe ex-gay variety because clearly, it hasn’t worked for you. All of that nonsense has been debunked by the psychiatric and psychological establishment. Not one study by any of the ex-gay ministries has been published in the legitimate scientific or medical literatureo as documented evidence. Marxist ideolgy my arse. You wouldn’t even know what Marxism is, moreover Marx was a homophobe. You sound like one of those crazy religious bigoted nutters from America. Your obsession with gay people and their sex lives is beyond revealing.

      You will NEVER defeat Stonewall, if anything, your kind will be defeated day by day. .

    2. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:52am

      lol… what a sad little man!

  39. I also note that Tesco has played the homophobic song Fairytale of New York in their television advertisements.

  40. It is great that The Co-operative continue to support lots of LGBT events. In 2011 they supported NINE UK Prides and in 2012 this will increase. Great work Co-op!!!!!!

    1. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 11:54am

      Yes indeed, excellent work!

  41. Jock S. Trap 3 Jan 2012, 8:21am

    It is reasonable considering they are still helping with next years pride.

    Good for Tesco not crumbling to the CI idiots.

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