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  1. I think the Archbishop of Chicago would better spend his time pondering his own responsibility in the cover-up of his cult’s clergy industrial scale level of child-rape over generations.

    This Archbishop is a poisonous evil old moron. He is a typical religious person – bigotted, stupid, cruel and as he is a catholic bishop, it’s highly likely that he was involved in either the rape of children or the cover up of the rape of children.

    1. I hope your lawyer has evidence to back up those allegations.

      I have to agree with other posters that your posts are sometimes immature and counterproductive.

      1. What’s an Opus Dei fascist doing reading gay newspapers?
        The Catholic Church should be legislated against and controlled, HEAVILY. The Catholic Church is as evil a régime as that in Iran or North Korea. Those men/women in dresses who raped and tortured our children, should, upon being found guilty, have their genitalia surgically removed and the word “PAEDOPHILE” should be branded into their foreheads. By their actions shall ye know them…

        1. Then we’d all end up living as though we were in Iran or North Korea, and I for one would much rather not.

        2. Father Ted 23 Dec 2011, 3:07pm

          I think the Monica is intentionally ironic.

        3. Contrary to your hysterically paranoid rant, incidence of child abuse amongst Catholic clergy is less than average, especially compared with other professions: protestant minsters, Jewish rabbis, lawyers, doctors, teachers, etc. But accounts of child rape by men in those groups aren’t reported as it’s politically expedient for “liberals” to try and discredit the Catholic Church – which would rather be persecuted unto death than bow to their demands.

          Of those Catholic priests who have been found guilty of sexual assault / abuse, 80% admitted to being homosexual, whilst nearly 90% cases involved teenage boys. So the crimes were not paedophile related, but rather homosexual ones.

          1. If the children were under the age of consent – regardless of orientation – that was paedophile behaviour be definition.

            Could you provide me with evidence that demonstrates the incidence of paedophilia and child abuse amongst ministers of religion differentiated by religion and denomination?

            As a child protection advisor to several charities I have seen no evidence to support your propositions in the academic research I have read. Nor could I refute the incidence in any grouping – because the nature of child abuse is insidious and under reported – particularly where there is abuse of trust (which there is in religious organisations). I see no way that your supposed facts can be anything other than speculation, John.

            I think orientation is largely irrelevant when it comes to paedophile behaviour – its abuse of a child whether the offender is gay, heterosexual, bisexual or unwilling/able to identify.

            Its wrong and to claim the RC church has no problem with child abuse is laughable

      2. Opus Dei – given the scale and duration of the child rape and torture scandals it is beyond credibility that any senior official in the Catholic church a) was not aware of what was going on and the cover up; b) not involved in implementing the cover up. To claim that he was involved in the rape of children and the covering up doesn’t mean he had to rape the kids himself, just that he was part of the process that not only protected rapist priests, but enabled them to continue raping children and destroying lives. How likely is that? Very.

        1. Father Ted 23 Dec 2011, 3:12pm

          All that may be true, but my view is it’s irrelevant to the issues in the article. The archbishop is engaging in offensive and inappropriate name calling and smearing the gay community. Lets not descend to the same level. We have the moral high ground – let’s keep it.

          1. It’s entirely relevant to reference child-rape and the coverup within the catholic cult when scum like this bishop starts lecturing others on morality.

        2. Contrary to your hysterically paranoid rant, incidence of child abuse amongst Catholic clergy is less than average, especially compared with other professions: protestant minsters, Jewish rabbis, lawyers, doctors, teachers, etc. But accounts of child rape by men in those groups aren’t reported as it’s politically expedient for “liberals” to try and discredit the Catholic Church – which would rather be persecuted unto death than bow to their demands.

          Of those Catholic priests who have been found guilty of sexual assault / abuse, 80% admitted to being homosexual, whilst nearly 90% cases involved teenage boys. So the crimes were not paedophile related, but rather homosexual ones.

          dAVID did say: ” it’s highly likely that he was involved in either the rape of children or the cover up of the rape of children”. I hope PN can prove that and – once it has learnt the art of objectivity – will be able to encourage its readers to rise above hysterically neurotic libellous rantings.

          1. @John

            Again, provide the evidence to sustain your argument … otherwise it is mere speculation

      3. Nothing would make my day more than the nonce church of rome trying to take someone to court for slander. Here’s the fun part – they wouldn’t be able to hide evidence. All their secret little deals would be dragged in to the cleansing light of day, all the letters from Ratzinger would be public, all the families of victims who accepted money for their child’s innocence would be forced to explain why, all the threats, all the cruelty, all the lies, would become very public indeed and the truth would finally be known. Oh. And I think you will find that the burden of proof in civil court is much lower than a criminal procedure. Frankly – The RCC wouldn’t bloody dare. And yes, there have been abuse settlement pay outs in the Cardinals diocese. Check Reuters. Scr3w the bloody church and every sheep who ever put money in their coffers – to pay for property and stupid costumes and blood money for raped children.

        1. The Church never said it would take a libel action. Where do these lunatics come from?

          “the nonce church of rome” – Is this type of twisted and totally irrational hatred based in the fact that most people throughout the world think that homosexuality and paedophilia is linked? Is it a case of “methinks the lady doth protest too much”?

          All studies on clergy child abuse have shown that the whole problem was one of homosexuality within the priesthood, not paedophilia. In that sense, maybe you should be careful for what you wish for.

          If

          1. Opus Dei mentioned lawyers, I was laughing at him/her. And I consider the RCC the nonce church of rome because its reaction to child abuse was not horror and an aggressive internal investigation – it was threatening the families of victims, conspiring to keep the issue secret and playing a nasty game of “hide the rapist” when it should have been calling the bloody police. Like any NORMAL person would do. The church does not make child molesters (the notion that “abstinence makes the church grow fondlers” is a lie.) but what it DOES do historically is provide a safe haven and protection for those committing crimes. Any other organisation that had a blatant practice of conspiring to conceal crimes would be torn to pieces by the law of the land. And rightly so. I might have had more respect for them if the first thing the Pope had done was say – Anyone who has harmed a child, present yourself to the police or we will do it for you. He didn’t, he conspired instead.

          2. bobbleobble 24 Dec 2011, 9:20pm

            All studies? You mean like the one commissioned in the US by your very own bishops which found that there was no link between homosexuality and sexual attacks on children but rather that higher instances of male victims was a result of opportunity not sexual preference.

            It’s in your top ten about not bearing false witness isn’t it? Can you back up any more of your ‘facts’?

      4. Spanner1960 24 Dec 2011, 3:11pm

        Opus Dei:
        The paedophilic nature of the Catholic church is not conjecture, it is a known fact, even acknowledged by the Vatican itself. I really suggest you try and get your own house in order before throwing brickbats at other people’s.

        Tens of thousands of children have suffered sexual abuse in Dutch Catholic institutions, according to a report by an independent commission.
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16217077

        …and that is just one country.

    2. A lot of people think the molestation scandal is a recent phenomenon. It’s been going on for almost two millenia, not just the abuse of boys but of girls and adult women.

      1. “A lot of people think” – I rest my case, M’Lud.

        1. @John

          Your evidence to the contrary is where?

          1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:40am

            He has no evidence, his argument is only to suit, no facts no nothing, just plain ol assumptions. It actually amounts to cowardis.

      2. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:38am

        Exactly Robert!

    3. That’s just taking your views too far. Just like the bishop.

  2. Nothing like the KKK, more like a Martin Luther King rally. All we want is equal rights.

    1. Yep, there’s a bit of warped logic there… telling your congregation that gay people are an abomination against god and then playing the discriminated minority card when you get the flak for it.
      Do these Archbishops inhabit some kind of bizarro world?

      1. I love the fact they forget all the churches were yelling “sin” when they allowed interracial marriage.

        1. No the were not, you evil liar!

          What the hell are you talking about: “when they allowed interracial marriage”? Marriage between people of difference races has been a fact in the Catholic Church since its inception 2000 years ago.

          What various protestant groups taught in the Deep South or South Africa falls outside the jurisdiction of the Catholic Church and cannot therefore be considered validly Christian.

          1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:46am

            Oh how ones mind is made to suit ones self eh, John? Guess it goes with changing history to suits one interests to eh?

        2. @John

          It seems that you believe that only Roman Catholics are “Christian” … no other denominations are Christian?

          As for churches (I look at all denominations) opposing interracial marriage, consider these:

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/01/kentucky-church-bans-interracial-couples

          http://topboost.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/the-legalization-of-interracial-marriage/

          and (from the Boston Globe):

          “In Massachusetts they are complaining about the repeal of a 1913 law that was originally passed in order to protect the racist marriage laws in other states. Massachusetts didn’t ban interracial marriages, but they placated racist states by preventing out-of-state couples from marrying in Massachusetts and thus bypassing bans on interracial marriage at home.

          Once bans on interracial marriage were struck down, the law stopped being important — it still existed, but did anyone bother enforcing it? Now that gay marriage is legal in Massachusetts, though, the law became important …

          1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:48am

            Sadly when it comes to religion and some of it’s extremists, Facts mean very little so long as they can make their assumptions.

        3. … again because it could be used to prevent gay couples from traveling to Massachusetts in order to get married. Unwilling to placate anti-gay bigots in other states the way they once placated racists in other states, the legislature repealed the racist law — and anti-gay bigots are whining in way that racists probably would have whined had the law been repealed earlier.

          The bill has also drawn condemnation from opponents of same-sex marriage, including Cardinal Sean P. O’Malley of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston and the state’s three other Catholic bishops. O’Malley and the bishops want the 1913 law kept on the books for constitutional, religious, and cultural reasons. They said eliminating the law would infringe on the rights of other states to set their own marriage laws. “

        4. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:45am

          Indeed Andrew and when women got rights too. It never changes it’s bleak outlook but then these books were written by very discriminating men to charge their already over inflated egos.

      2. Do these Archbishops inhabit some kind of bizarro world?

        Yes,

        1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:51am

          Indeed!!

      3. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:43am

        Exactly Flapjack. It’s a typical hit and run ploy that these extremists use to create attention because they’ve been lacking some what in recent years.

    2. The KKK – especially in its second and most virulent manifestation – was primarily an anti-Catholic organisation that persecuted men and women trying to get the Mass and worship freely. Catholic churches were destroyed and KKK processions would stop people from getting to Mass. This is why Cardinal George made the comparison.

      The bizarre and frankly frightening hatred towards the Catholic Church as exhibited by pro-gay activists is very reminiscent of that once held by the KKK. They, too, would argue that priests were bogeymen and “nonces” trying to impose their laws on the US 0 although, actually, at the time the KKK normally referred to priests as “fags”. I guess that’s the main difference between the KKK and many in the gay rights movement.

      1. Spanner1960 24 Dec 2011, 3:15pm

        The KKK was, and still remains primarily a white supremacist organisation that operates on the principle of segregation, as does the Catholic church.

        At what point have any gay groups attempted to divide the populace?
        All we want is to be treated the same as everybody else.

        The church just talk moonshine and hyperbole whilst indoctrinating people and causing unrest, violence, hatred and abuse.

      2. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:53am

        Yet I don’t see people being murdered, maimed ot tortured by the LGBT for being religious unlike the centuries of abuse suffered by the LGBT community by the religious. Funny how unbalance arguments never really work isn’t it John?

    3. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:42am

      Indeed. Only to those who wish to discriminate does the KKK arguement suit yet the irony is they don’t see they are the real causes of the problems of this world.

  3. Perhaps the Archbishop of Chicago should read this:

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/how-gay-rights-is-nothing-like-legalizing-beastali

    Hilarious explanation of LGBT rights for idiots

  4. When people who love AND people who hate both demonstrate against you, you know you have to be doing something wrong.. Maybe he should take the hint.

    1. Actually, that should read: When people hate you for speaking the truth, you know you must be doing right.

      Or

      “When people who love AND people who hate [both subjective] both demonstrate against you, you know you have to be doing something [right]“

      1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:56am

        Telling the truth? seriously? you wouldn’t know where to start, I mean lets face it your whole life is based on a lie how could you possibly know about truth?

    2. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:54am

      Surely it’s only people that hate that demonstrate against love. They clearly don’t know it themselves or why else demonstrate against it?

  5. Mumbo Jumbo 23 Dec 2011, 10:43am

    A leading figure in the world’s largest paedophile ring speaks and Martin Luther King spins in his grave.

    1. Mumbo jumbo by name….

      1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:57am

        A typical non-response.

  6. Wow! I used to live in the Chicago area and thought Cardinal Francis George was one of the good eggs. I guess I was wrong. This remark is so offensive that I’ve lost all respect for the man.

    1. There is no such thing as a ‘good cardinal’

      The level of childrape in the catholic church and the hideous coverup should prove that.

      1. Please take your meds, love, you’re becoming embarrassing.

        1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:59am

          Not good at this are you?

      2. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:59am

        and yet if we get judged by one bad person who just happens to be Gay you tune changes. So whats different?

  7. I can no longer dredge up the energy to get angry about comments like this – for one thing they’re coming thick and fast (emphasis on the thick) these days, from all parts of the world Catholics lurk in, it seems. Let ‘em! The more of this nonsense they spew, the more it will disgust reasonable people.

    1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:00am

      Very true, Rehan and unlike us they won’t be around long, their time is usually very limited.

  8. It may just be the red wine hangover talking, but i really couldnt care less what this pointless old man has to say- comparing LGBT rights to the KKK denigrates both our community (which includes people of all races and creeds) and also the victims of the Clan. Isnt there some sort of rule about retiring bishops when they lose the plot? Please put yourself in a monastary or something where we dont have to listen to your decrepit ramblings.

    1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:02am

      I guess the worry remains with the people who listen rather that idiot talking. That I worry about. As for the content it’s nothing we haven’t heard before.

  9. This is the same cult that subjugated native tribes in Latin America through torture and in many cases execution. Then there was the persecution of Jews in Spain using the same methods if they didn’t convert. What hypocrites and how unchristian they are judging others, especially LGBT people, on of the many reasons why I renounced membership many years ago. This cult is morally bankrupt.

    1. GingerlyColors 23 Dec 2011, 1:51pm

      My country renounced membership of that cult almost 500 years ago under Henry VIII. If the Archbishop wants to see something that offends him, he should go to Boystown or get himself down to Manchester during the August Bank Holiday weekend. If that fails to offend him there’s always the 12th of July . . .

      1. Yes but the break with Rome was for rather petty reasons – so the King could ditch his faithful wife of a couple of decades, so he could marry a younger model…

        Nothing particularly noble about that.

        But otherwise I agree with you…

        Sorry to be a pedant.

    2. Indeed. For a more recent act of sickening sadism by the roman cult, look to the BBC documentary on how the Spanish catholic church trafficked babies – deciding who could and could not keep their newborn children, and who would be told that their baby had died so that they could give it to someone else. I swear, it made me literally ill.

    3. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:03am

      Indeed and sadly it shows them up for what they truely are. Sadly many of the good people who belief get dragged in too, regardless. It would be good to hear publically from those ones mind.

  10. Hmm – so a gay Pride march, which is inclusive and a celebration of sexuality, love and diversity is like an organisation that despises anyone who isn’t part of a elite through accident of birth (and that applies equally to the KKK and the Catholic Church)?

  11. Helen Wilson 23 Dec 2011, 1:16pm

    Well if the Archbishop and his church supported equal rights and encouraged politicians to do the same, we LGBT folk would not need to have to go out on the street and march.

    1. Have a sex party, you mean…

      1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:08am

        Seriously, how old are you?

    2. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:07am

      Exactly Helen, well put.

  12. GingerlyColors 23 Dec 2011, 1:47pm

    I suggest that the Pope and his cardinals and archbishops clean up their own mess within the church before comparing us lot to a poisonous hate organisation like the Ku Klux Klan. At least when we march we do not hide our faces behind rediculous hoods.

    1. Ratzinger apparently is dying.

      Soon he wil be in his heaven (reunited with all his Hitler Youth chums no doubt).

    2. Keith Shepherd 24 Dec 2011, 4:17pm

      But if we do wear hoods they are color coordinated. lol

      1. and not of mixed fibres lol

      2. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:09am

        lol… like it!!

    3. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:09am

      Very true. At least we feel we have nothing to hide.

  13. another sick religious freak

    1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:10am

      Yep, another one to the list!

  14. Father Ted 23 Dec 2011, 3:03pm

    Nothing would irritate these people more than if instead of getting angry, we found a way to love bomb them, and show up their aggressive war against us.

    The person who first loses their temper usually loses the argument.

    1. The best way tio shut these hierarchy idiots up is to simply ask them ‘Have you ever raped a child, or been involved in the cover up of child rape?’

      Because they usually have.

      1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:12am

        Your a very sad individual ain’t ya?!

    2. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:11am

      I think they already do this hatred stuff pretty well on their own. They fall pretty much every time!!

  15. He should be more concerned about the fact that he himself has morphed into an idiot.

    Cardinal Francis George Fears Gay Pride Parade ‘Could Morph Into Klu Klux Klan’ VIDEO:

    1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:17am

      Quite!

  16. How about we compare the Catholic church endless rape and abuse of children by pedophile priest to the Holocaust where millions of people had their lives destroyed.

    1. I hope this comment is ironic, or something?

      Is this how hysterical you’ve become in your anti-Catholic zeal?

      1. You seem very blinkered in your unquestioning allegiance

      2. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:18am

        Funny how things tend to be only one way with your lot isn’t it John!?

  17. Why is the Catholic Church fighting a secret war against the Church of Scientology?

    1. Over money I would imagine.

      These are expensive biusinesses to run.

    2. That’s one battle I’d like to see both sides loose.

    3. LOL – I knew I’d just have to hang about long enough before the mad paranoid conspiracy theories started to appear!

      When I might feel exhausted over Christmas and in need of cheering up, I will think on this comment and laugh my socks off!

      1. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 11:21am

        Well lets face it usually the “mad paranoid conspiracy theories” are dreamed up by you look, I mean just look at thsi sstory and it’s content… paranoid much?

  18. To call this Cardinal a drama queen doesn’t say the half of it.

    He’s more like a little child who when told the error of his ways stamps his little feet and screams and insists that he’s being cruelly mistreated.

    Essentially he seems to want carte blanche to insult and denigrate gay people and our lives and loves, and then claim he’s being “persecuted” when we have the temerity to answer back…

    Well sometimes, as with all naughty children you have to say “no”.

  19. Remember when gays would roam around in pick up trucks harassing catholics and beating them? oh wait.

  20. Chicago Archbishop Denounced, Urged to Step Down:

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/12/23/Chicago_Archbishop_Denounced_Urged_to_Step_Down/

    The national LGBT group Truth Wins Out is circulating an online petition calling for George’s resignation and describing his statement as “backward and bigoted.” The petition can be signed by people outside the U.S.:

    http://www.change.org/petitions/call-on-chicagos-archbishop-cardinal-francis-george-to-resign

  21. Forgive my English sensibilities but I’m not terribly au fait with this lot. As far as I can tell they are a group of desperate conservative reactionaries who dress up in ridiculous costumes, perform bizarre religious rituals with crosses, invented a whole stupid nomenclature for themselves, ban women from their ranks, promote backward patriarchal values at every turn and make it their highest priority to denigrate, demean and sometimes even attack or kill minorities as some kind of twisted moral crusade?

    And there was something in there about the Ku Klux Klan as well.

  22. Ned Flaherty 27 Dec 2011, 9:35pm

    Historically, the rhetorical phrases most used by LGBT people are terms such as: “compassion, love, fairness, citizenship, equality, rights,” and “justice.”

    But the cardinal, his Pope, their employees, and official church policy all preach that LGBT people are “intrinsically disordered” and “immoral” and “evil.”

    In calling an entire class of people irrecoverably flawed and lacking in morality and Satanically possessed, it is the cardinal who is spewing rhetoric, not LGBT people.

    This archbishop/cardinal wants to deny all citizens their human rights based on some supernatural assumptions belonging to a religious sect. He is a dangerous demagogue spewing religious rhetoric, trying to turn everyone else’s democracy into his own theocracy.

  23. Hate language from a Catholic prelate. Hold the front page.

  24. Jock S. Trap 1 Jan 2012, 10:30am

    Absolutely ridiculous, all because we demand the right to be treated just like any other human being. Yet again the church demonstrates it is the one that remains the one true evil. To disregard life so easily just because of how others are born.

    What a disgrace.

  25. Garry Cassell 20 May 2012, 9:55pm

    The Archbishop should remember that the next time he’s F@@@@ing the ass off some 12 year old boy behind the altar..

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