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  1. Welcome to the 21st century where your vile religion can’t control the private loving relationships of other people. If you don’t like it, go back to the dark ages and mind your own business.

    1. The dark ages were more enlightened. And honestly, sod Malaysia. Always touting for western tourism and advertising like mad on UK tv, it really annoys me how they want our ‘dirty potentially gay western money and tourism’ but not the real people behind it. I hope this kid gets to stay in Ireland and live in peace and freedom.

  2. Mr Mohd, I say that Islamic Law needs to change to Represent Reality Rather than Fictional Fantasy! (there’s the 3 R’s, you should’ve learned! but I guess you’ll continue with FF!)

  3. Sister Mary Clarence 21 Dec 2011, 12:23pm

    I trust we’ll soon be withdrawing overseas aid to them any day now

    1. I’m not sure we give them any at the moment, do we?

      1. No Malaysia is not on the list of countries that DfID supports

        1. Aid has been provided if you look at the data.

          1. In the past, the current data clearly does not list Malaysia as a recipient country

    2. That’ll be ‘aid’ like the Pergau River dam in the 1990s, will it? Which was in return for selling £1bn in arms to the Malaysian government. I wonder who’d be the bigger loser then – if withdrawing aid is the only way we can signal our disapproval, we’re not going to find ourselves in a very strong position at all.

      1. Hmm, well you basically vote with your wallet and stop visiting. Or not, depending on your view. Me, I generally hear the word ‘islamic’ and rule it out.

  4. Lyuba Allenivna Tereshchenko 21 Dec 2011, 12:25pm

    What kind of religion and country can be disgraced by the actions of one person? Is your faith and country that fecking weak? What a crock of shyte!

    Leave the man alone; he doesn’t want to be a part of your madness, Malaysia.

  5. Even if this student has committed an act of deception or fraud as has been alleged on another story about this case – it is not for an Islamic group to make the allegation to police (one would suspect). It would seem that the potential victims should make the case for the police to investigate (if appropriate) and I would suggest the possible victims would be the Malaysian education department, Petronas or arguably his family (depending how the matter has been handled). The Islamic organisation appear to be jumping on a case to make political and religious capital in an unreasonable and inconsiderate manner.

  6. Well, there’s an asylum application that would never be rejected, even if he didn’t now have automatic right to Irish residency.

    If anything has “disgraced the name of country, religion and race” it’s the rabid calls against Arrif Rosli from the leaders of their local delusion. He’s already rejected Malaysia and made a life for himself somewhere else. Leave the man be.

  7. Cambodia Guesthouse 21 Dec 2011, 1:29pm

    Truly a backward country…. and they are currently running an advertising tourism campaign on most of the cable TV channels … with the caption “Malaysia, truly Asia..”

    Truly Asia it ain’t!

    1. I certainly hope not!

  8. islam wants to kill gays ,
    islam is a disgrace
    a law suit should be against islam for hatred

    1. de Villiers 22 Dec 2011, 7:36pm

      I am not sure that will achieve much.

  9. Another Hannah 21 Dec 2011, 2:11pm

    It would be morally wrong for him to repay money to a country as bigoted as this. Withdraw aid, and I think if it was me I’d just invade Iran, Pakistan, Afganistan, Indonesia,etc…morally best just to take them over and stop the peopel having to suffer all this nonesense and being kept dirt poor. Notably the only countries we seem to bother against are the ones that were relatively modern and moderate……

    1. Actually it is a RELIGIOUS group who wants to arrest this man.

      The Malaysian authorities have not intervened at all as they are well aware that an Irish CP is legal in ireland and that homosexuality is also legal in ireland so that any requests to deport him will be refused.

      However theft is not legal in Ireland.

      If Petronas and the Malaysian government can present a convincing case that he knowingly defrauded them (and it is prettyclear that he did), then a criminal case may be brought against him in Ireland for theft.

      I’m not sure what trade or diplomatic links exist between the 2 countries. But if I was him I’d try to reach a compromise with Petronas.

      1. @dAVID

        I am not entirely up to date on law in the Irish Republic (but presuming it has similarities to the law in England & Wales – please clarify if I am reading this wrong!) then I would say most of what you say is correct.

        I think its difficult to judge on the allegation of theft without knowing details of the agreement that was in place, but certainly from the information in the public domain there is enough to suspect that there may be a theft type of offence, whether that be deception, simple theft or otherwise.

        Certainly it is highly improbable that the Irish would deport where there were concerns about how he would be treated (either by the justice system, religious groups or others in Malaysia).

        There is a feasibility that there could be a prosecution in Ireland (assuming that the criminal offence considered in Malaysia also exists in Ireland – which if the offence is complete seems likely). Although it is pretty uncommon for these powers to be used. It would be …

        1. … interesting to see (if this process were considered) how the Irish prosecutors would frame the Irish public interest in this case being brought under Irish jurisdiction …

          1. Happy to be CPd 21 Dec 2011, 6:22pm

            There is no evidence he stole anything or defrauded anyone, particularly if you read more detailed accounts. That is the story the homophobic malaysian press is putting around.

          2. Happy to be CPd 21 Dec 2011, 6:27pm

            In fact you are both totally bonkers to suggest that if someone changes their mind about a contract after 4 years, when their circumstances have changed, and their father is presented with a claim for breach of contract, then that person is guilty of some fraud or theft. It’s a civil claim, and it’s not even been made against him, when the Malaysian authorities and his family were well aware of where he was. He just wasn’t talking to his father since 2009.

      2. GingerlyColors 22 Dec 2011, 7:02am

        If he does get arrested for theft then it is only fair to try him in Ireland where he will receive a fair hearing and his sexuality doesn’t come into it.

        1. It’s clear there is no crime, breaking a contract is not a criminal offence.

          1. The only way I can conceive it becoming criminal (under English law – there may be different laws in Malaysia or Ireland) would be if it could be shown that when the scholarship was agreed to by all parties, that on accepting it the student intended at that point not to pay it back – then there would be obtaining by deception … difficult to prove I suspect …

    2. It’s a civil claim against his father. Everyone knew where he was, he just wasn’t talking to his father since 2009. If there was a civil claim against him, he honoured the contract or 4 years, then his circumstances dramatically changed; it could be argued that the lack of human rights and failure to recognise his CP in his home country is the reason he cannot go back and fulfil his side of the bargain. But it depends on the exact terms of the contract. Apart from that Petronas isn’t exactly short of funds, this is peanuts to them, I wonder if they would care if it didn’t involve a gay Malay. It’s become political.

      1. GingerlyColors 22 Dec 2011, 7:08am

        Sorry, that should have been a reply to Another Hannah’s post.

    3. GingerlyColors 22 Dec 2011, 7:07am

      Why invade Indonesia? Despite it being the largest Muslim country in the world by population it has liberal laws and homosexuality is legal there with the exception of Aceh Provence on the north end of Sumatra where Muslims are not allowed to have same-sex relationships. The law does not apply to non-Muslims.

  10. As someone who has a Malay BF (not out to his family) this type of thing scares the bejeesus out of me.
    Malaysia isn’t as harshly homophobic as some Islamic states and up till now has operated on a level of “Don’t ask, don’t tell” but the fundamentalist right seem to be on the ascendant at the minute.
    It remains to be seen how this one will pan out.

    1. Commander Thor 21 Dec 2011, 3:25pm

      Do nothing and evil wins.

    2. if a western man is looking for a bf/partner in asia better find one from the Philippines (although its predominant religion is Roman Catholicism, the country is hugely secular) where homosexuality is neither illegal nor legal, as they say Philippine culture won’t be completed without filipino gays.

      1. What a ridiculous comment. People in KL are very gay friendly, even the Muslims, who only represent 60% of the population in any event.

        1. Even though there are lots of gay friendly people out there, homosexuality is still illegal in malaysia.

          1. No one has ever been arrested for private gay sex in their home, except a political challener to the leader, who was set up.

        2. i have nothing against malaysia. Its a beautiful country with scenic spots. it concerns me a lot that homosexuality is still illegal in that country.

          1. As it should, but private gay sex in the home has never been prosecuted, and there are many openly gay people in KL. Of course it should be decriminalised, but it’s not as bad as you might expect.

      2. If a Western man is looking for a bf/partner in Asia he might do well to consider falling in love first, rather than commoditising other races, don’t you think?

        1. I can’t even work out what your comment is meant to mean!

          This isn’t a case of a Western man looking for a partner in Asia; falling in love isn’t something you ‘do’ after consideration; and why does falling in love with a foreigner mean you are commoditising other races? Did I ‘commoditise’ my Polish partner’s race by falling in love with him, or vice versa? Or is it only ‘commoditising’ (whatever the hell that means) if you fall in love with another colour or culture?
          That whole comment is incoherent!

          1. I think Rehan’s post was in response to Jaybur’s above… If I understand correctly he was trying to make more or less the same point you are – that love’s not a case of looking through the mail-order boyfriend catalogue and ticking the box labelled “must be Philippino”

          2. Quite right Flapjack, thank you.

      3. The falling in love bit came first… ‘Asian male’ wasn’t top of my priority list of things I was looking for in prospective partners. Didn’t consider “what’s your country’s policy on LGBT equality” as a way of breaking the ice on a first date.
        For the record, met him in Manchester.

  11. C Bryan King 21 Dec 2011, 2:58pm

    The only ones disgracing their country, religion and race are bigots like them.

  12. On the surface of things in Malaysia nobody appears to care much about who is or isn’t gay but it’s cases like this one that makes your realise that when it does surface the religious nutters take charge. There are certain states on the East coast of Malaysia that seem to adhere more to sharia law. Lets hope this fundamentalism doesn’t spread to other more liberal states. This will spoil what is in many ways a lovely country with hospitable inhabitants.

    1. Indeed. I’ve been thinking that Malaysia would be a good route to Australia to visit my sister… I’m not so keen now. I’m not keen about going via the emirates either… Kind of limits the choice of routes.

      1. KL is very gay friendly, don’t be put off by the nutters.

      2. GingerlyColors 22 Dec 2011, 6:57am

        Don’t go via the Emirates – Dubai in my opinion is the a**e end of the Arab world and it seems easier to get in than it is to leave. They imprison you for making rude gestures to fellow motorists, bouncing cheques and sex on the beach – don’t even thing about gay sex there! If you want to fly to Australia how about flying westwards via the USA and Hawaii.

      3. Thailand?

  13. Is it any wonder so many people have a problem with Islam?

    1. This is not about Islam – its about a bunch of bigoted individuals who believe they are responsible for controlling everyone else.

      They’re clearly bigoted idiots.
      I dont see how you lot think that you can use this story to justify your own Islamophobia…

  14. johnny33308 21 Dec 2011, 7:14pm

    Where is the justification for any group to interfere in the private relationship between two people? It is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS! Here in the US we have the very same problems with those who refuse to mind their own damn business…all in the name of their evil vile religion! I bet they would think differently if anyone of us wished to interfere in their relationships…bigots, shameful haters! Disgusting people! We live in a CIVIL society not an evil theocracy…..if you want one of those move to Iran…..

  15. What happens in my country is none of their business….The greatest threat to the world isn’t climate change or nuclear weapons,it’s the disease that is Islam

  16. I believe your Holy Book didn’t tell you that the earth is round and it circles around the sun, did it? Move on, move on, find your own personal way…

    1. de Villiers 22 Dec 2011, 7:38pm

      A bit simplistic.

  17. …bloody idiots…

  18. We never knew Malaysia was so crazy until they started harming their own people. Any time a religion, Christian or Muslim kills or harms a person for being LGBT they are criminal and need to be arrested and put in prison like any common criminal or murderer.

  19. People claim Malaysia is gay friendly. Yeah… for closeted cases. Its still taboo. Though, there are bunch of gays all over, they are unable to proudly claim themselves. They still have to follow cultural and islamic tenets especially the Muslims. You can ask any Gay Malay Muslims there, they will refuse to admit their homosexuality while they act upon it. Some believe it is a temporary thing, a sin, and repressed identity. Even worse, some of them even would come across as self loathing gays just because they are afraid of getting labelled or found out. Its pretty sad.

    1. I know plenty of openly gay people in KL, of all races/religions. Of course there are probably many more in the closet.

  20. GingerlyColors 22 Dec 2011, 6:52am

    Since when did Malaysia have any say in Irish legal matters (or the legal matters of any other country)? I know both were former British colonies but they both went their separate ways and at least one of them have repealed outdated legislation left over from the Colonial era.
    As for borrowing money then travelling abroad and not paying it back, that is wrong and does count as stealing.

    1. What does your last sentence have to do with this story? The guy was awarded a scholarship to study abroad, which he did for 4 years. Obviously his circumstances changed when he fell in love and got married, and he could not return to his country where his relationship would not be recognised. Any financial obligation depends on the terms of the contract and whether it is enforceable.

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