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  1. Jason Brown 16 Dec 2011, 2:14pm

    I wish I was famous so that when I got mildly mean tweets people would write a news story about it.

    1. But equally, its important to demonstrate that twitter (and/or police) do or do not take allegations of homophobia/hate incidents seriously …

      1. Only when it’s in the public eye. When twitter start doing this with all homophobic remarks i’ll see it as something other than oppurtunism.

    2. I also wish I was selfish and petty enough to waste police time because someone hurt my feelings. Boo boo poor little baby Will.

      1. Jock S. Trap 17 Dec 2011, 8:47am

        Bullying is not acceptable in any form whether you thinks it’s petty or not. How can we expect people to change if we don’t tell them what is wrong and why. We wouldn’t used insulting language for (most people anyway) women, black, asian, disabled etc so why are LGBTQI acceptable.

        Just as other people receive the right to be respected so do we. We are Not an easy target and never should be.

      2. Homophobia is not acceptable …

        full stop – end of argument …

        I’m not sure Will said he was reporting to police, he certainly mentioned reporting to twitter … there are some circumstances when reporting to police might be something an individual may choose … and if Will felt this message was sufficient to raise concerns then he is entitled to do so without reproach

    3. You see here how the Christians are using their propaganda trying to confuse people. The person who made the “choice” tweet is also confused because he like so many others do not understand that being LGBT is not a choice but a person is born that way. I know I was born gay and I am not ashamed of it because being a gay Christians I believe God created me gay along with straights to love one another. The poor souls who do not know are either not educated or just plain evil and want to do damage to LGBT people because they were taught in their Christian Church to hate and kill LGBT people. This is why you have these hateful people who work to kill or get gays to kill themselves everyday. Now how sick are these psycho people? Very sick and the Christian Church is the one who makes these monsters. Yes the Islam religion also makes their people into gay killers but we already knew that and if the US Christians and Muslims destroy each other we will be free of their madness.

      1. Jock S. Trap 19 Dec 2011, 8:07am

        Good comment Bourne.

  2. Darren Taggart 16 Dec 2011, 2:25pm

    When was this age when you could have a go and expect immunity from reaction? Agree though that as offensive tweets go, this is hardly news worthy.

  3. I do like Futurama …

    I mean … “bender” was prep school stuff in the 70s there’s much better slurs …

    1. “Prep school” – I assure you it wasn’t exclusively associated with the upper echelons of (private) education.

      Being a chid of the 80’s-90s in Buckinghamshire, it was one of the most common gay slurs around. “Faggot” has only seem to come in in recent years, from my experience (no doubt influenced by American culture – as we all know faggots are a meat based food made by Brains!)

      1. No they’re not – they are bundles of wood thrown onto bonfires when dealing with irritating “wrong sort” Christians.

        1. The etymology of faggot is used as it refers to old women. Does nodoby read wikipedia FFS.

          And faggot as foodstuff is not brains. It’s pork offal.

          1. Lol I think you will find that “Brains” is a brand of faggot
            very popular or used to be in the UK……..

      2. “Faggot” is rarely used now by young people anyhow, For my generation , the gay slur is usually chi chi man or batty boi.

  4. I didn’t even know “bender” was a slur, honestly… O.o I only ever associated it with Futurama. People are so weird.

    1. Jock S. Trap 17 Dec 2011, 8:50am

      Tell that to the many children who have had that as one bullying name most, if not all of their school life, me included. It may seem a laugh and harmless but not when it’s all you hear and not when it stops any involvement and interaction with others.

      It is bullying and that in any form is unacceptable. Just because we’re Gay or Lesbian doesn’t make us up for easy targets.

      We can only make a change if we stand up and tell people they are wrong.

      1. Does your zero-tolerance get-the-police-involved approach extend to ginger haired people?

        1. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 10:36am

          See I think your just showing yourself up to what kind of nasty negative person You really are. Just because you have no respect for anyone, clearly demand no respect don’t think the majority are the same.

          Lonely much.

        2. Really Alex you need to see this for what it is and not keep diverting the conversation away from the main point which is that of a homophobic remarks and people just thinking they can get away with it. There is too much of this sort of thing happening and for some reason it seems to be more acceptable on the net.

          It is not acceptable what happened to tolerance and basic good manners?

  5. It’s the same as someone using a racial slur.

  6. I’m gay and in passing with gay and straight friends and colleagues use the term ‘Bender’ or ‘you big bender’ in a manner of situations, they, nor would I take offence. Getting the police involved for such a minor comment, really, com’on are we forever not complaining they sort and handle “real crimes”. Although i the comments were persistent or really cutting/abusive then that would be a cause for an investigation, but Will… get a grip, it’s embarassing :-)

    1. “get a grip, it’s embarassing”


      1. Jock S. Trap 17 Dec 2011, 8:51am

        Not one ofr thinking about others then, eh?

    2. Well you can take it- and I can- because we are big grown up and well adjusted. There are a lot of people (especially young people) who arent so lucky. Will taking a stand against it is exactly what needs to happen – it may be one stupid comment from a daft kid but it all adds up to a climate of intolerance that is literally killing young people. Well done Will..

      1. Jock S. Trap 17 Dec 2011, 8:53am

        Exactly, so well put martyn. Just because we can take it doesn’t mean all can or indeed should. Surely we have to acknowledge that when it’s said in a negative way it’s bullying and bullying is never acceptable, whether we can take it or not. I know I prefer to think of others too not just myself.

    3. But whether you do it among friends or not is beside the point – we all accept teasing from people we know and like, it’s completely different coming from a stranger. If you want to test this theory and you’re white, next time you hear young black guys calling each other ‘nigga’, you try calling them that too and see how that goes down. Or, for that matter, you could go up to them and call them benders to test their reaction.

      1. Jock S. Trap 17 Dec 2011, 8:55am

        Exactly Rehan. Some people are clearly to closed off on themselves to think how these think affect others. Trouble not caring about others makes life a very limiting, lonely one… doesn’t it Olly and M?

    4. Jock S. Trap 17 Dec 2011, 8:51am

      But then I guess it’s easy to only think of oneself and nobody else.

    1. GingerlyColors 18 Dec 2011, 3:23pm

      Blimey! All you typed was “<< Yawns" and you ended up with more 'thumbs down' than that troll, HIV Free Keith!

  7. Jock S. Trap 16 Dec 2011, 3:18pm

    It is imprtant to report is you think you have suffered homophobia. So the person may so they wasn’t or didn’t realise and yes we have freedom of speech. Choice? bigot talk but still how can we change things for good if we just let unacceptable bahviour flow?

    Yes I am all for freedom of speech but some people don’t see what they are doing as wrong and it is our responsibilty to say so, otherwise how else are we to expect respect.

    This person was wrong and lets hope with a little re-education he now sees it and is more respectful.10

    1. Jock S. Trap 16 Dec 2011, 3:21pm

      Oh twiddles, apologises for the mistakes.

      1. By the way, Jock, good to see you back …. you have been missed … I know you have occasionally come back – but the last few days have been the first I have noticed you with any regularity

        Hope physically you are feeling better …

        Hope you are finding strength in all sorts of sources …

        1. Seconded, Stu – great to see you commenting again, Jock. And I echo the best wishes wholeheartedly.

          1. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 10:41am

            Thank you Iris, it means a lot and glad to be back. :)

        2. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 10:40am

          Thank you Stu. Think being here is helping a lot. Not looking forward to Christmas without my man and can’t believe how quick time is going.. it’s nearly 3 months but I have my son and family and friends who have all been fantastic. It’s good to be back but expect it’ll be staggered for a while but hey I love debate….

          Hoping your ok too as the same with all hear. :)

  8. johnny33308 16 Dec 2011, 3:18pm

    How is it these people feel they have the right to comment to those they do not even know? Where are manners? People really should mind their own business and not comment to people who do not even know them, unless invited to do so. Just because people are in the public eye, does not mean they wish to engage you in a conversation, or even get to know you. And why would they, then?

  9. Sure it was ‘mild’ in comparison to some of the stuff thrown at him on the internet and on national radio. But why is it considered OK for homophobic comments to go unchallenged and supposedly accepted as a joke and yet racist comments are severely stamped upon. Name calling is not acceptable no matter what form it takes. It’s bullying – Will is attempting to stop the bullying going on in schools, especially, and whilst people play down or throw scorn on homophobic comments that’s never going to happen. Will needed to nip it in the bud or ignoring it would have left things wide open for others to follow suit. It was on his own Twitter page for pity’s sake. How many on here would dismiss insults on their own Twitter page or FB page as a joke and let them go unchallenged?

  10. Cambodia Guesthouse 16 Dec 2011, 5:03pm

    I agree completely. It was a homophobic comment by a brain-dead moron and should be challenged… Now he’s whinging because him comments are being challenged? Grow a pair young man and stop making homophobic brainless comments then!

  11. Sticks and stones may break your bones, but gay slurs never hurt me!

    1. Lucky you.

      1. Spanner1960 17 Dec 2011, 9:55pm

        Yep. me too. I’m lucky. If anybody really does offend me I just deck them.

        1. Oh yet like violence ever helped the situation @ spanner – you really do live up to your name on here, (total tool).

          1. @W6_bloke

            Its the sort of constructive, grown up response to debate that we expect though …

    2. Sadly JD, many people on this board (and Will Young) seem to suffer from brittle bone disease and feel the need to call the authorities and/or launch a costly public inquiry instead of dealing with it themselves like adults.

      1. vversatile 17 Dec 2011, 2:47am

        Yes, Will is big enough to take it.
        But if it goes unchallenged AND unreported then this person will think it’s ok to carry on being publicly bigoted.

        Some people sit around and do nothing – yet still expect the world to change.

        1. Jock S. Trap 17 Dec 2011, 8:59am

          Exactly, we cannot make a difference if we don’t educate those who clearly need challenging.

          Have to admit Alex I wonder if you need educating yourself on thinking of others.

          1. Yes – send me to a re-education camp. Dissent must not be tolerated.

          2. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 10:45am

            Your a very immature fella ain’t ya Alex?

      2. Jock S. Trap 17 Dec 2011, 8:58am

        One can only assume that if we see you being attacked in the street we should just laugh it off and walk away rather than try to stop the attacker and educate the error of his ways.

        Treat people how you want to be treated. Bullying in any form is not acceptable.

        1. You think some nobody on Twitter calling a celebrity names is bullying? And you compare that to a violent attack in the street? It’s not exactly like for like…

          1. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 10:46am

            Well I guess you choose how You get treated then don’t you?!

    3. Jock S. Trap 17 Dec 2011, 8:56am

      Lucky you indeed but maybe this isn’t just about you eh?

  12. GingerlyColors 17 Dec 2011, 6:47am

    People like myself ourselves and Will Young did not have a choice when it came to our sexuality. Whether the slur was mild or not it would be a good idea for people not to post such comments on networking sites.
    I am glad that Will Young is still enjoying success long after winning Pop Idol (the predecessor to the X Factor) and you can enjoy seeing him wearing a lycra unitard at:

  13. Anti gay people will always deny anti gay comments exist or say it’s just banter

    1. Jock S. Trap 17 Dec 2011, 10:16am

      Very true James!!

    2. The issue is that what might be banter and acceptable to me or you, may be seen as offensive, homophobic etc by someone else …

      JUst because I have no problem with certain language (from certain people) does not mean others should find it acceptable …

      Whilst I do engage in banter with friends and vice versa – some language that friends may use in certain scenarios they would not dream of using in other scenarios. Equally, I would not necessarily accept as banter from people who I either did not know or did not know well …

      We should not condemn people for being sensitive just because the language used is deemed acceptable by ourselves … we do not know the encounters they have had previously with harassment or bullying and it may be more hurtful to them for a range of reasons compared to how we perceive the language …

      Bottom line, homophobia is unacceptable wherever it is and deserves and needs challenge …

      Banter can be good natured but “banter” can be bullying …

      1. The fact that a conversation has to be qualified as banter implies someone has been offended. Banter is never good

        1. You sound be a right laugh.

          1. You sound like a right cnut.

      2. By its very nature banter is friendly and playful … per definition …

        That does not mean that comments acceptable to some people, from certain people, in particular environments are going to be acceptable in every situation, to every person, from every person …

        Banter is based on relationship and understanding of what is acceptable between friends etc …

        1. Fair enought just not in my world.

          Banter is usually a way to hide insults I don’t do it.

          1. @James!

            There you go … thats not how I engage in banter – there is never any insult intended in mine; nor I hope of my friends who also use it …

            Thats why being aware of who it is from/to and the scenario are crucial to make it work

          2. Spanner1960 17 Dec 2011, 9:53pm

            Banter can still be derogatory.
            A lot of it is not what is said, but how it is received.
            If some twat gets upset over a bit of schoolboy playground jibes, then they really ought to get out a bit more.

    3. Spanner1960 18 Dec 2011, 4:45pm

      And gay people will never deny that they *ever* do anything wrong and that they are all being constantly hounded and persecuted.

      1. No, gay people do wrong things …

        Sometimes as individuals and sometimes collectively …

        That does not, in any way, justify wrong being done towards gay people – it merely means we have to try harder to not do wrong …

        1. Spanner1960 19 Dec 2011, 6:28pm

          Please stop twisting my words: I never said anything of the kind; I merely pointed out nobody is perfect, and just because someone attacks a person who happens to be gay for doing something wrong does not immediately brand them as homophobic.

          1. Your words were:

            “And gay people will never deny that they *ever* do anything wrong …”

            I rest my case …

  14. Suddenly Last Bummer 17 Dec 2011, 11:13am

    Twitter is the perfect vehicle for people with nothing to say to say everything. Will Young included. They should all get a life .

    1. comming from the man commenting on the story from people with nothing to say. I guess irony would be wasted on you

      1. Spanner1960 17 Dec 2011, 9:47pm

        Well you have plenty to say about fck all. What stopped you?

    2. Staircase2 22 Dec 2011, 1:30am

      lol Actually Pink News Comments is a far, FAR better vehicle for people with nothing to say….as ably demonstrated by your good self just now (and pointed out by the currently lovely James)

  15. Just another p* rat full of envey at success. How naf.

  16. The entire heterosexual world is not “homophobic”. Yet, if any one of us even looks the wrong way at a homosexual, BAM! SLAPPED WITH THE LABEL OF “HOMOPHOBE”

    The sooner the gay, bi and weird community start taking responsibility for what they do, wear, and how they behave the better, instead of blaming others. They made the choice to be how they are, and behave how they do.

    “Equality” is that everybody has the same thing as everybody else, meaning if gays have a right to bitch and complain, so do their adversaries, under the “equality” fallacy Christian’s must also as a group, not be denied their opportunity to have their beliefs, lifestyle, and philosophy ingrained in law and sanctified by the state, much like gays have been able to do. This is what happens under what I call runaway equality.

    Equality is nothing but asking for trouble. Just be pro-gay and get it over with. You all need to be honest about your intentions, you people are NOT for equality. That’s fine, because I’m not

    1. No, Matthew – that uniformity that you describe – not equality …

      Equality is treating everyone with the same value and respect – that does not mean doing it in an identical manner

      1. Spanner1960 17 Dec 2011, 9:50pm

        So does that mean if I’m straight and call you a twat, you won’t play the gay card?
        Or even if I’m gay and call you a gay twat?

        Seriously, I am all for anti-bullying and levelling the playing field, but some people really need to get a life, stop being so sensitive and learn to grow a thicker skin.
        Sticks and stones and all that.

        1. I fail to see the relevance of you scenarios to the definition I gave … please elucidate …

          If you were “all for anti bullying” you would see the old school approach of “grow a thicker skin” has been the cause of many serious problems by bullying not being addressed

          1. Spanner1960 18 Dec 2011, 8:34am

            No, I think it requires a combination of the two.
            There is a whole lot of difference between incessant haranguing and teasing over a period of time that may also include physical assaults, and somebody just being called a few names.

            Whilst I deplore full-on bullying, when it comes to the occasional name-calling across the playground, (or the adult equivalent, Twitter), then people should learn to ignore it and not go running to Miss every time somebody calls them “spotty” or “dogs breath”.

          2. Perhaps thats the reason we have such problems in society that people feel they are able to get away with such incivility or that people are so scared to challenge

        2. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 10:50am

          We can expect to be treated with respect is we’re not willing to challenge, educate and make a difference.

          1. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 10:51am

            Sorry meant, can’t…

    2. So, Matthew, according to you gay people “made the choice to be how they are…”. Let’s just take that sort of logic to its rightful conclusion. If what you say is the case and there is choice involved for us gay people then there must also have been choice involved for you – you must have chosen to be straight (and chosen to be wilfully stupid as well, but that’s another matter).

      Please tell us all just when you chose to be straight, how and why you made that choice and at what age you made it. How did it feel and why did you decide to be straight? When and how did you let your friends and parents know that you were straight and was it difficult to do so? How do you actually know that you are straight? Would you now consider changing and becoming gay and if so can I recommend a very good course of therapy run by excellent therapists that can help you to become gay and put all the maudlin straight stuff behind you for good?

      I do look forward to reading your reply.

      1. Spanner1960 18 Dec 2011, 8:43am

        I do actually (sort of) see Matthew’s point of view.
        The point is, however you care to look at it, we *are* different; we have different attitudes to straight people, look at the world in a different way because of our sexuality, and often are generally more creative than straight men. There are plenty of differences. However, we should be considered in the same way almost as a third gender, much like women were treated earlier times – we need to respect our differences, yet be allowed the same rights and privleges as everyone else.

        And yes, there are despicable, nasty, mouthy and criminal gay people as well, just like every other section of society, so they should be treated accordingly, with no bias either way.

        In a nutshell, we are different but expect to be treated the same; no more, no less.

        1. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 10:56am

          Sorry we are no different. We are however considered easy targets but the bigotted few who think it’s funny to throw name calling and bully. Yes you and I might think it’s something to ignore but plenty can’t and shouldn’t and also what about the young people trying to see the world through adult eyes and be able to grow in the world knowing they are Gay, Lesbian etc. They and we deserve better.

          Not everyone is the same and we shouldn’t expect people to be either. However it’s not acceptable towards women via sexism, black people through racism and therefore equally Gay people through homophobia. We cannot teach if we ignore.

    3. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 10:47am

      Your talking a whole lot of crazy there again Matthew I see!

      1. Lets see, answer these first:

        At what age did you have feelings towards men?
        Did you start looking at boys? I mean honestly.

        Because when you had those feelings you could either follow them or not. If you chose to follow them, then you made a choice.

        1. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 2:59pm

          I’ve always known who I was attracted to, I also knew from very young who I was. It wasn’t a choice but a matter of fact. There is no choice thats just a bigots myth to satisfy their own egos for something they don’t understand.

          I was brought up to a very religious mum and dad. I had a upbringing just like everyone else. I knew from before school age who I was. Probably facts you can’t deal with because bigotted adult can’t think they just judge.

          You can’t teach people to be who they are. You can’t choose who you are you just are. It’s the way I was born. Sadly one thing is for sure, you choose a religious lifestyle and you are also taught to be bigotted and discriminating. Children are not born with those evil traits they are taught it. Which is why people like you should never be around children in the first place.

          1. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 3:00pm

            Something I thank my son for seeing, which is why he is now at uni to be a human rights lawyer. To tackle bully boys like you who think your imagined lifestyle trumps all else. Something you will have to come to terms with that that outlook is so wrong and so last century.

          2. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 3:03pm

            Here’s questions for you Matthew…

            Why is everything about sex with you? Can you not see people any other way but by the sex they have?

            Are you that pervy?

            Kinda makes you the one in the wrong after all eh?

        2. @Matthew

          At what age did you decide you had feeling towards girls (or boys)?

          Did you stick with the gender that seemed most natural to you or did you “decide” to consider another option?

          Was it a “choice” that you made?

          How did you evaluate and make the decision? Did you experiment and make an informed judgement?

          After you reached your “decision” did that mean that thoughts of being attracted to whichever gender were put out of your head and never returned?

        3. Spanner1960 18 Dec 2011, 4:41pm

          I could ask the same of you. Did you ever look at boys?
          If not, why not/? Were you aware there was an alternative to the opposite sex?

          Well it’s much the same with most of us; its not a choice, it is the default, we never knew there was another way.

        4. What a stupid comment… Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that you “chose” not to follow your attraction to men, and instead “decided” that from then on you would fancy women (because that is what society thinks is “normal”). After that, believe me, you would still fancy men but for the outside world you would be “cured”.
          To prove this, I will set you a challenge: try becoming gay and see if it is possible. Don’t worry, you won’t become gay forever as this is a choice and at any time we can choose to be one or the other. Come back and tell me what happened…

  17. Twitter don’t moderate anyone’s tweets, it’s clearly stated in their terms, also as the site is hosted in America, one would like to believe that the sites content comes under US law, with the ‘First Amendment’..with the right to offend clause

    1. Nonetheless the can and will intervene and you can report tweets … its also clear in their terms and conditions that they will take action in some scenarios – its reactive monitoring …

      1. They have taken action in some scenarios but they seem to want to have a free and open platform, which I believe they should have.

        1. It would be false to say that there is total free speech on twitter – that does require exercising with responsibility because there can be either action by twitter (albeit less often perhaps than other sites) and also action in many sovereign states by law enforcement. Action has taken place in the UK, New Zealand, Russia and that bastion of free speech – the USA …

  18. This is a joke. Will Young is a bender, and was it really necasarry for his response to be so aggressive? Calling the police because someone called him a bender. When it comes to specific words the homophobia lies in the tone in which a statement is made. Why is it every time a celebrity gets called queer, puff or bender it’s breaking news. Speaking as a gay man I only take offense to someone calling me names if its followed by a plethora of further homophobia dialogue that is clearly meant to be hurtful. Perhaps time would be better utilised dealing with actual homophobia in schools and the workplace as oppose to worrying about what someone tweets about a dead beat celebrity.

    1. Agreed Scott. When he’s getting mugged in an alley, I’ll take it he won’t complain when the police don’t come because they’re responding to an urgent call of hurt feelings on Twitter. Talk about wasting police time…

    2. Spanner1960 18 Dec 2011, 8:36am

      Totally agreed. People really need to get a bit of perspective.

      1. When confronted with any form of homophobia you nip the argument in the bud there and then. You do not allow it to fester to greater heights. The reason homophobia in schools is on the up is because the initial abuse is not acted upon in the first place and the perpertrator thinks he or she can get away with it time and again! Unexceptable. If ANY such comment were made to me in my place of work i could report them on the spot and could lead to dismissal…and rightly so! I wonder where the Charing Cross Road attackers first started on the homophobic road? That first rant or passing comment to the ‘poofter in the playground’.You would never get away with such verbal attacts towards the black,asian,muslim or even the disabled community, so why do some think we are an exceptable punchbag that can’t raise a responce!

        1. Well said JW couldn’t agree more with you.

        2. Jock S. Trap 19 Dec 2011, 2:07pm

          Well said JW!!

        3. @JW

          I totally agree, and if it continues then other action should be considered – including legal action where appropriate

  19. You know the Christians are trying to turn the Atheist and the gay against each other to fight each other, this is an old war trick, get your enemies to fight each other to destroy each other so you don’t have to do the work or waste the money on it. So when you see people trying to get you to fight other people think twice. Your enemies are the Christians who have been exposed are the real people behind spending millions of dollars and time to destroy gays ant gay marriage and the Muslims who we all know openly kill gays and get away with it. These are you real and main enemies that you need to fight and stand up to and organize to fight to stop them from killing more LGBT people around the world. Don’t be tricked by the Christians and Muslims into fighting a false enemy when it is the Christians and Muslims who are the ones behind your suffering and torment here on earth. If you do not know of the crimes of Christians and Muslims against gays you need to google it and see it.

    1. There is no them.
      Only us.
      Grow up.

  20. He’s right to make a complaint, you have to nip homophobia in the bud early ,when it may appear insignificant to some , before it can fester and grow like a poisonous cancer.

  21. it’s homophobia so it needs dealing with

    why are some advocating to do nothing?

    1. its not just homophobic comments that mindless idiots post on blogs,social sites and you tube as an example just after jade goody died a site that was set up in memorium was full of disgusting and hurtful comments even i was shocked at some, with 2 young sons left behind that could one day read those comments it is a terrible state of society, we have technology that lets us communicate with people all over the world and possible chats with famous people that in an ordinary way we would never be able to communicate and it gets hijacked by mindless idiots with no other agenda but to upset other users and cause misery wherever they can

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