I’m sick of the “I’m not homophobic but” brigade. You either believe in full equality for lgbt people or you don’t. There isn’t a fence to sit on and their isn’t a grey area to seek shelter in.
No one would dare use the words Jewish Gestapo so why is it appropriate to say Gay Gestapo?
The use of the word “Gestapo” is appalling. The Gestapo were a vicious secret police that murdered, tortured and abducted those who were considered to be “undesirables”. Not one of their actions could be described as being part of the democratic process.
No gay person involved in the politics for equal rights has done or comes close to doing any of atrocities committed by the Gestapo. All their actions have been by democratic or legal means.
The referring of gay people to the “Gestapo”, given what the Gestapo did, shows either a repugnant intention on the part of Ms Rudd to perform a odious, calculated insult or, otherwise, unqualified ignorance and idiocy.
Loree Rudd’s ignorance and idiocy is tending to make the best explanation for her worthless “global gay Gestapo” comments.
Who gives a cr@p about bloody moses or any of that other bronze age dogmatic drivel that was created around the campfires of desert nomads who couldn’t explain why the sun rose and needed a “divine” excuse to butcher their neighbours. Biblical marriage as a concept is a joke anyway – from the seething incest of Adam and Eve to the seething incest again of Noah and his family to men with hundreds of wives to women being forced to marry the man who rapes her. The whole concept of the vile and blood-spattered buy-bull as a moral guide to anything at all is the sickest joke.
God orders Moses to kill all the Medianite people and take the women and children for themselves to use as they wish. Numbers 31: 17-18
17: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18: But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Exactly, their “god” is a bloody psychopath. And how convenient that he hated the same people as the tribesmen that created him.
Quite, and what about muslims who practice polygamy, up to four wives at a times. Nobody is condemning that and then they say same-sex marriage will lead to it. What a joke. Heterosexuals invented polygamy long before we came along with marriage equality. It pisses me off that these religious bigots think they own civil marriage let alone control it. Marx was right, religion is the opiate of the people. They’re clearly addicted and need treatment. They choose their lifestyle and behaviour, we don’t.
She did what every anti-gay bigot who objects to equality should do when they find their beliefs prevent them from doing their job.
Closely related topic:
Government says courts were right in “Christian martyrs” cases
Will the Australian public miss her …. doubt it …
This stupid cow doesn’t even know her bible.
If she had even read it ( most xians do not even read their bible and just listen to some idiotic pastor ) then she would realise Moses did not command anything, but it was “god” who gave the commandments and statutes to Moses.
But the point I’m making is that if a xian wishes to make a statement about their feelings on a certain subject and uses scripture to make their position clear, then the should quote it within that context and be accurate about it.
But how does their belief system impact on other peoples lifestyle who do not believe.
If I believed the spaghetti monster does not wish me to eat cake on a Tuesday, do I have that right to enforce my non cake Tuesday upon others who do not believe or wish to follow the almighty spaghetti monster?
Melanie, ours is NOT a lifestyle which implies that we choose it. Whereas, this silly cow’s religious beliefs and behaviour most certainly are a chosen “lifestyle”. She didn’t come into this world that way, unlike our natural orientation when we came out of the womb into this world. These people are suffering from an addiction and clearly are in need of long-term treatment.
It is true that homosexuality is innate and not a choice. But that’s not the point. That’s not why we deserve equality. Even if it WERE a choice we would still deserve equality – because homosexuality doesn’t harm anyone. It’s not because it’s “natural” that it is unfair to discriminate against it, it’s because it doesn’t hurt anyone or impinge on anyone’s lives. Whether it is chosen or not isn’t relevant to the morality of the situation – there are plenty of things that are a choice which we still oppose discrimination on the grounds of.
I wasn’t implying that homosexuality was a lifestyle choice, I was making the statement that any lifestyle which goes against the Christian world view they have.
I myself am a Transwoman, so I know my statement was definately not intended to offend, but maybe I should have made myself clearer and used the words ” how someone lives their life which is different to a biblical view ” instead of ” lifestyle “
Good analogy, Melanie. I always think that about Christians – why do they have to force their beliefs on others?
I always wonder why homosexuals have to force theirs on to others…Touché!
apparently we will have to use small words and speak slowly for you to fully understand.
Christians are expecting others to live by THEIR rules, regardless of whether the others are christian or not.
Gays are NOT expecting others to BE GAY. They are expecting only to have equal rights under the law.
Do you see the difference?
One (the christians) is forcing its views on others who do NOT necessarily share those views. It is forcing others to LIVE by their “rules”, whether they share the religion or not.
The other (LGBT people) is not forcing anything onto others. You don’t have to be gay. You don’t have to sleep with someone of the same sex. You don’t have to MARRY someone of the same sex.
In the final analysis, christians are demanding that THEIR prejudice against LGBT people be upheld.
For it to be fair, then LGBT people should demand that THEIR right to deny service to christians be upheld.
You’re more patient than I am, Mikey!
Very well put, Mikey
Very well put Melanie. As ever those who wear their Christianity on their sleeves are the most intolerant people, and they’re always breaking the commandment of ‘love thy neighbour’.
So long bigot. The world could do without the likes of you in any position of power.
“Breaking a commandment of Moses” says everything about this stupid woman’s intelligence (and, in passing, knowledge of the scriptures she purports to revere).
Who gives a rat’s arse what these religious bigots think or say. This is a purely civil matter and has nothing to do with their religion and nobody is trying to trample on their rights to believe and worship as they see fit. In other words, these nutters should stay out of matters that are none of their business. We’re not demanding religious marriage and we’re not dictating what they can and cannot believe. The sooner they learned that, the better. Bloody nuisances!
Evil thrash like Loree Rudd is clearly not suitable to be in politics because of her mental illness (her christianity).
And the comparison between Candace Gingrich and Loree Rudd is inappropriate.
Newt Gingrich is an far-right extremist. HIs sister is a lesbian.
Paul Rudd is a centre-right person with a lunatic religious extremist as a sister.
Do you mean Kevin Rudd? ;)
Oh yes – Paul Rudd is that tasty actor.
Had to go and look Paul Rudd up on google – nice!
Kevin Rudd is a wierd one … all his background and prior behaviour etc would make me extremely dubious about his willingness to engage in LGBT rights in a meaningful way, yet at CHOGM in Perth he lead a rallying cry for LGBT rights across the Commonwealth … still dubious – but welcome the speech he made …
Christianity isn’t a mental illness, it’s merely unproved belief. Some actions and thoughts of some Christians are stupid.
I wouldn’t demean the problems of those with a diagnosed Mental Health condition by using it as a hook on which to hang religion.
I agree, Ian
I perceive it as some LGBT people seeking to use the same negative tool that some religious people used towards LGBT people in the past ie some Christians deemed being gay a mental illness (which WHO and most esteemed medical authorities and professional bodies recognise now to be false) … so, some LGBT people want to reverse things and make it religion that is the mental illness … I prefer to see it as believing in something I don’t …
Like she’s never had sex for other than for procreation hypocrite!!
Close the door on yer way out love!!
She could also sweep the floor as she’s on her way out If she stuck a broom up her ass.
(loosely paraphrasing a line spoken by Sean Connery – so it has cultural precedence)
Poor Loree, wasn’t feeling so gay, today! Both the brother and sister would be no great loss to either the ALP or Australia! Both should join the DLP, turn to Rome and wallow in their religious conservatism!
Both Rudds are Anglican so I doubt they’ll want to turn to Rome.
I know that the Rudds are Anglican. The DLP in Australia are full of Catholics. Conservative Anglicans are just one step away from the Vatican!
So which of the Ten Commandments mentions homosexuality or same sex marriage? None.
This poor woman needs time to reflect on her own homophobia and issues.
She should also bear in mind that lying about other people IS forbidden in the 10 commandments. Also, surprisingly, and just as a matter of interest, so is all art and photography of anything in the sky, on earth, or under the sea. So all those Attenborough documentaries…Verboten!
Good for her, I thoroughly approve. The sooner all the malicious bigots like Loree Rudd get out of the major political parties and marginalise themselves, the better. Hopefully a few more bigots in the ALP will follow her into oblivion, and allow the majority to push equality forward.
What a profoundly stupid and misguided woman … and why should anyone be concerned by “a commandment of Moses” –
(1) Moses was a mere human being and therefore in no position to issue commandments.
(2) Moses was formulating laws for the Jewish people, laws which generally have little or no relevance to Christians or anyone other than Jews.
(3) With opinions such as she has expressed – LUCKY Labour Party!!!
Ah, yes, Moses – that chap who climbed up a mountain and told his tribe that a God had given him lots of dos and don’ts in a cloud at the top when he came down and that they would be put to death if they didn’t obey him unquestioningly. I’ve a feeling that Loree would HATE to live in that set-up.
Had Loree Rudd been a Medianite living at the time of Moses her view of Moses might have been tempered by the genocide he brought upon her tribe, ordered by God…according to the scripture.
Was Moses real? or was he just a character in a story from scripture?
I like her line “but to make that huge leap from their rights to breaking a
commandment of Moses”
What commandment is she talking about? Is the bit about divorce not an issue or her, given its technically adultery?
As stupid as she is hypocritical.
It scarcely matters. Fictional characters are more significant to some people than real ones. In the 19th century Dickens’ novels were serialized and people waited on tenterhooks for the next instalment. When he killed off Little Nell in The Old Curiosity Shop there were riots and Queen Victoria said he shouldn’t have done it.
I used to think that people like Richard Dawkins and others were going over the top when they spoke about the influence of organised religion on public policy, especially in the more educated parts of the world. I can see now that they have got it right.
I’m so pleased you have managed to articulate that realisation here, and well done for doing so.
Indeed – look at the unelected House of Lords in the UK.
I want others thinking like this.
Oppose equality and resign from a position of power in protest.
This would give the bigots a warm fuzzy feeling. It would also greatly advance our society as bigots stop being roadblocks to equality.
Who cares? Good riddance to both of the farts.
Gay gestappo motto suggestion: ‘We have ways of making you walk!’ (only joking).
So does anyone here actually want to be Homosexual? I am interested, as people comment that if they had the choice they would not be.
So had anyone tried to fight it giving these comments? Has anyone tried to challenged their sexuality?
I am not saying that people should or anything, I would be just interested the comments please.
Had a few years in my late teens/early 20s where I didnt want to be gay but that was partly due to how I was brought up – I re-educated myself pretty quickly!
In those years I did try a girlfriend but a) I couldnt even get near sexual relations with her because it was dishonest (I knew I am gay) and I couldnt “perform” as I wasnt turned on … and b) I wasnt at peace with who I am …
Now I am more at peace, and when with the man of my dreams I can perform very well thank you … and I have a wider perspective on what is important in life other than fulfilling the expectations others have of you …
Hi Stu, thanks for answering. People accept me, but I just do not feel happy as I am. Also having a slight neuro condition, makes the socializing and such hard, hence my staying by myself.
Also when I look around as to how some, not all gay people act and behave it makes me want to distance myself even more.
“some. you are right. “not all”. very important.
don’t hang out in bars and discos.
don’t go to saunas.
don’t do the drugged out sea cruises.
that is what you will meet there.
except, THAT is also an infinitesimal proportion of the vast LGBT “community”.
Almost all of my friends are quiet, suburban and rural couples. Doesn’t make them better. Just different. You seek, you shall find. The LGBT “community” is as vast and varied as the hetero.
I do accept you. I hope you can like yourself and be happy soon.
I agree with Mikey …
Not all gay people are the same … that is one of the joys of humanity that no matter which “box” you identify with (or not) that there will always be others that you share commonalities with but yet have so many different experiences, views and desires …
I do like to go out to bars occasionally, but much more prefer an old country pub with a few mates or a nice meal in with a few friends and a couple of bottles of wine
I have done saunas in the past, and enjoyed them, not my thing any longer …
never done a cruise, let alone a drugged out one … lol
Many of my friends (gay and not) are conventional, well adjusted, thoughtful people who do not fit the stereotypes that one may have …
I also agree with de Villiers, I definitely want to be gay now, because its part of who I am …
As for your neuro condition, Im not being nosey and asking, but I have a friend whose brother …
… had a stroke when he was 15 and this leaves him with some neuro challenges. He goes through phases where he does not want to go out, partly because he is frightened, partly because he is unsure what peoples reaction will be to him, sometimes for other reasons … but he has found that usually when he does go out he meets people who are friendly and treat him with respect. He has got a small group of good friends that he sees from time to time. He finds it hard being gay, but he has good days and bad (as we all do – just some people have different challenges to face).
Good luck. x
I would not want to change my sexual orientation. The resulting person would not be me.
Did you ever fall in love with someone you shouldn’t have fallen in love with?
I am, I can’t change it, want or don’t want aren’t concepts I can link to my being. I stayed celibate until my mid-30s as a result of trying to ignore it.
Meanwhile, New Zealand has just selected an out gay man as the Deputy leader of our Labour Opposition- Grant Robertson, MP for Wellington Central.
Goodbye, Toad. And don’t let the door hit your greying fat ass on the way out.
Ms Rudd is not worthy of membership of the Australian Labour Party (ALP). Although the ALP has its faults it is better than this.
I hope she doesn’t expect her lifestyle to be funded by the taxes of gays and lesbians …
Typical Australian Labor slut, Oz Labor cooperated fully in the initial gay marriage ban while in Opposition. I’ll be interested to see how the Reds on this forum manage to blame this on the UK Tories.
another homophobe… why do we listen to such ignorant people?
Long live PEAR (People Everywhere Avoiding Religion).