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Scottish church minister compares gay marriage to paedophilia

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  1. It’s a choice to believe in superstitions, fairy tales and invisible friends in the sky. It’s a choice he’s allowed to make in a free country. Same sex attraction is not a choice, but even it were, who is he to say it’s wrong?

    Why do these mad religious fundamentalist always try to conflate consensual sex between adults with abuse of children?

    There is no evidence to support his moronic views.

    1. Paul Canada 12 Dec 2011, 3:04pm

      I agree. Let’s say it is a choice, which it is not, then I’ve made my choice and wish to be left alone to live and marry as I see fit. So long as no one is being harmed or misused and all consent, I see no need for others to try enforce their morality onto me. Furthermore, I’m in a monogamous gay relationship, but should others choose to live in a polyamorous relationship I feel no need to go and impose my views on them.

      This imbecile is entitled to his views, and I’m entitled to label his views imbecilic.

    2. It’s not even gay sex he’s talking about but same sex marriage.
      I do think the “Christian” church, through it’s anti-gay tradition and a thoroughly phoney interpretation of scripture that it uses to support that tradition, aids and enables certain individuals within the church to become radicalised into the most extremist of homophobes like Revolting James Gracie, combining his influence and love of media limelight with his lies and misinformation to incite anti-gay hatred in others who then turn to anti-gay violence .

    3. Rashid Karapiet 12 Dec 2011, 4:07pm

      Mr.Gracie is true to form for religious bigotry, no surprises there. But cheer up, friends, get yourselves down to your library and make sure they’ve got Keith Sharpe’s ‘The Gay Gospels, Good News for Lesbian, Gay. Bisexual and Transgendered People.’(Circle Books – http://www.o-books.net) A systematic dismantling of the Biblical props supporting so-called fundamentalists like Mr. Gracie. Heart-warming reading.

      1. David Waite 12 Dec 2011, 5:03pm

        Thank you. I just added this book to my Christmas shopping list.

    4. The Minister is clearly confused, it is the Christian Priest who are the pedophiles and this has been recorded in the news and in the courts for decades now. The Christian Priest can not marry and so they rape and abuse young children who sue the Christian Churches for millions.

      1. Not all priests abuse children. The vast majority are completely comited to helping others. I’ve been fortunate enough to have been united in a civil partnership , and being brought up in the catholic religion. I will never want to marry in the church with my partner, why ?? I don’t want religion forced on me, and I won’t force myself on them. I make my own choice and I think we should let the church make theirs, live and let live!

    5. Reported.

      1. LOL! Oh, please. I do not read your comments, I laugh at them.

        As for “educatibg” myself by the likes of you, I think that comment speaks for itself. What a joke you are.

    6. billywingartenson 20 Mar 2012, 8:18pm

      he’s probably a pedo himself, like many of the ummarried catholic priests.

      Cut off his wee wee and its two pals would be progress

      BTW my wife is Jewish Her rabbi 7 years ago got fired despite his “;life tenure contract”

      I finally got the story out of her – he had not only had sex with a woman he was counseling about, but the fool got her pregnant.

      Its like being a religious leader is a mind infecting brain destroying disease.

      btw about 100000 hits on southern baptist ministers rape children
      here’s an example…………..
      http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm

  2. As well as offensive, their argument is nonsensical and absent of logic (what can you expect from the magical sky pixie brigade). Theft is a crime, paedophilia is a crime. I have no particular objection to polygamy as it involves consenting adults who are legally competent – but there are 100s of years of jurisprudence and legislation the describes how civil contracts (including marriage) function between two people. Adding extra people forms a relationship that the law does not understand. And while that kind of multiple marriage wouldn’t be my cuppa, I’m not keep on tell people they cannot do it and would invite those who wish it to start a lobbying and protest movement.

    1. GingerlyColors 13 Dec 2011, 6:38am

      In some countries and cultures polygamy is legal. The Mormons who seem to have an anti-gay agenda practice it in Utah where it is tolerated. Here in the UK it is illegal and there currently is no call to legalise it especially as it is also associated with Islamic cultures. It is not unreasonable to suggest that polygamous marriages will be legal in the UK one day. Who would have thought about gay marriages back in 1967. Mind you who would want two (or more) mother-in-laws!

      1. The reason polygamy is legal in some societies is because they are absolute patriarchies where wives are objects. In a modern society with defined laws and responsibilities, it would be nigh-impossible (without having to rewrite the entire basis of what a marriage contract is) to implement this without forcing some of the members into a compromise when it comes to medical decisions, inclusion of a new partner, property rights, etc…. Just to name a few.

        Is it impossible? Few things truly are, but it would require extensive restructuring.

      2. The Mormons don’t practice polygamy. Some practicing polygamy claim to be Mormons but they have long since been cut off by the Mormon church.
        Also, am I to understand that you are saying that the fact that Gay marriage is on its way to becoming legal is paving the way for acceptance of polygamous marriages in the future? That’s what it sounds like and if that’s the case then that is exactly what James Gracie said.
        As for the mother in law thing, I agree wholeheartedly!!! :)

    2. Poor delete-keith. Another effort in the shame of futility.

      Reported.

      1. “It is heartening to know the message is being seen!”

        While it lasts yo mean?

      2. @Will

        There is no point reading any of his comments, report and move on – we all know his comments are not worthy of reading, ignorant and hilarious in their lack of insight

        1. You said your were “reformed” – and given your obsessions about gay sex, well, 1+1 and all that. Ergo, closet case basket case.

          “Bet you are a real self loather of lacking in self esteem.”

          Actually, I’m a senior manager in a multinational telcos company. I have more intellect, education and status in my spit than you do in your whole miserable life. Believe me when I say this, you are an animal in comparison.

          But your ineptitude doesn’t concern me – what I really want to know is did you lauigh as much as I did when yo comments were deleted?

          Did you?

          I did.

          Its f***** hilarious!

          Are you going to do anything about it?

          Nope. Poor stupid weak-minded Keith.

          Have a drink, that’ll cheer you up, right?

          LOL.

          1. “It is obvious that you think your position of Tesco floor sweeping and tea making will impress me.”

            WHAT?????

            LOL! You stupid, stupid man! Do you even know what a telco is??? You thought a telco is a Tesco’s???? LOL! Oh, my god, you couldn’t be more f****** stupid if you tried! Look it up, your thick ape.

            What a abject failure you are.

          2. Wonder if the buffoon is linked the impotent white supremacists that Morgan seems keen to help and to link to the Rev Gracie …

            Hilarious but scary times we live in … but I will stand up for what is right …

            Telco …. its not a difficult thing to understand the phrase (although the technology is beyond me!)

          3. Stu, Iris, yep. Astounding, isn’t it? He thought a “telco” was a “Tesco” and then went on to insult my obviously prevailing intellect based on his idiotic misunderstanding on the difference between a supermarket and a Telecom’s company – a damning indictment of the education one gets when one is of damaged mental health compounded by religious programming. Suffice to say Keith is probably unemployed, and without question, his education level is at best primary level. I do not think we need more proof of the debase nature, mentally or intellectually. Not that there was much doubt to begin with – HIV free and intellect free, it seems :)

            @ Rob – “Oh. My. God.” is right. I was astounded at his level of stupidity, and that’s saying something given I had already known him to be an idiot and had as little regard for him as I would something stuck to my shoe….. :)

          4. Ah, that’s what confused him!! I had no idea where ‘Tesco’ had come from! Dear oh dear!

          5. @ Will

            Oh. My. God. I can’t believe he actually said that in public. Keith is a moron. A Telco is a Tesco’s now, is it? *rolls eyes*

            @ Keith

            A Telco, Keith is a Telecommunications company. Not a Tescos. Kudos to you Keith on confirming Will’s point that he has a superior education to you!

            You are a complete buffoon (to use Stu’s apt term for you) Keith. I can see why Will and Stu laughs at you. You deserve nothing less.

          6. D Schneider 14 Dec 2011, 6:35pm

            Why are you resorting to abuse?

  3. Adam Watson 12 Dec 2011, 11:15am

    I am absolutely disgusted by the comments made by Reverend James Gracie during his recent appearance on BBC Radio Scotland and the follow up statements made in The Scotsman.
    For him to compare homosexuals to paedophiles is exactly the type of attitude that helps to encourage homophobia in society and leads to the abuse, both physical and verbal, of people who self-define as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.
    His comments are wholly inappropriate in modern society and are inappropriate for any public figure. These opinions should not be held by anyone that has influence over the moral and spiritual education of others and I call for his appointment in the Church to be terminated immediately.

    1. Yes, but this is the “Free Church of Scotland”. They are one of the “fire-and-brimstone” lot. His comments are probably being praised from within the church itself.

      1. Constantine 12 Dec 2011, 12:17pm

        He’s not “Free Church of Scotland”. You should check your facts. He belongs to a different denomination.

      2. @Colin M

        He is from the Free Church of Scotland (Continuing) denomination which is different fromt he Free Church of Scotland …

        I made that mistake initially when trying to complain!

  4. Gracie’s comments probably do more to help the equality cause than harm it. The average person hears that and is disgusted and thinks that they are against that sort of opinion so that puts them on the side of equality.

  5. Trish Kirby 12 Dec 2011, 11:23am

    Not homophobic? LOL I am guessing that by his philosophy, he would also defend paedophiles and thieves in court.
    Asshole.

  6. As Jeremy Hooper from GoodAsYou blog likes to say, “put it in your ads”.

    The more these extremists say such things in public, the more the public understands that, to paraphrase some of the comments I’ve seen in the Scoish press, “The reason they can’t come up with any rational, secular arguments against same-sex marriage is because there aren’t any”.

    So good for you, Mr Gracie. You keep on keepin’ on.

    We’ll keep winning.

  7. I have raised a formal complaint with both the BBC and Lothian & Borders police (as a hate crime/incident) and I encourage others to do likewise.

    Not only is there no real apology for Rev Mackie (deflected to cause the person being offended being at fault – “if” I have caused any offence …) but the content of his remarks on BBC Radio Scotland are risible.

    Grant Costello, Chair of the Scottish Youth Parliament, said; “Throughout the Scottish Youth Parliament’s Love Equally campaign for marriage equality, Scotland’s young people have demonstrated an entirely positive approach and treated those with different views with courtesy and respect. We are deeply disappointed and saddened that this standard has not been matched by those with opposing opinions and are extremely concerned that in our modern Scotland homophobic abuse and smears on national radio can be allowed to take place.”

    1. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 1:34pm

      It is not a hate crime, its his opinion.

      We have been in touch with Lothian & Borders Police, and asked them to seriously think about giving you and anyone for that matter a Caution, for wasting police time with a matter that is someone’s opinion and not a Police Matter.

      Morgan Johnson
      Walken Media

      1. “We”? LOL!

        To refer to oneself as the first person plural is a sign of delusion at best. Grow up.

        1. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 2:07pm

          I was referring to ‘we’, as a group, as there is more then one of us based within the Media Business.

          1. Funnily enough I don’t believe you, and if you are speaking on behalf of a company you better watch out as this could be counted as discrimination. Wouldn’t want your company name “Walken Media” tarnished by that would we, and if you are not talking on behalf of your company then thats a whole different kettle of fish.

            If you were actually part of a business you would know this, hence I don’t believe you.

          2. Sounds like ‘matthew’, Hamish. He professed to be paid to offer his invaluable opinions to all and sundry while organising a supposedly successful fund-raising campaign for a man who was found guilty of setting his dog on a woman.

          3. Why does “Walken Media” not show up on any internet searched, hmmmm?

            Funny that.

            However, the only reference I can find is a second rate solo designer on twitter who “follows jesus”. Is this he “we” he’s referring to?

            LOL! Delusional!!!!

      2. @Morgan Johnson

        Bring it on …. I will plead not guilty all the way and raise a huge public stance on the risible nature of the church and their homophobic approach – if thats what you want (and “Walken media” do not impress me)

        I would contend that these matters constitute a hate crime. I particular feel that there is malice towards the Lesbian, Gay and Bisexual Communities by declaring that such people have a tendency to steal and implying that LGBT people are inherently dishonest. This ill will and malice is compounded by seeking to ensure that LGBT people are not treated equally. I would contend that the comments related to a protected group of people (ie the LGBT communities) and that there is clear reason to perceive that a hate crime has been committed and as such the ACPOS Hate Crime Manual requires the Scottish police to fully and appropriately investigate this matter. In terms of crime, at the very least there is malicious mischief, but there may well be offences …

        1. … disclosed under the Public Order Act 1986, the Communications Act 2003 or the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008.

      3. Walken Media …

        isn’t Walken a pseudonym for hoax?????

        1. lol…

        2. Walk over media . . . more like

      4. Tim Hopkins 12 Dec 2011, 2:29pm

        I’m sure L&B will treat that with the level of respect it deserves. Incidentally Morgan your knowledge of Scots law is as deficient as your “knowledge” of LGBT issues demonstrated in your comments below. There’s no such thing as a police caution in Scotland.

        1. @Tim

          Absoloutely LBP are treating this with respect. I have had contact from a Chief Inspector this morning who confirms the matter is being investigated alongside another similar matter with a view to a report being sent to the procurator fiscal. I am aware very senior officers at LBP are aware of the investigation.

          1. Well of course they are treating it with respect!! The world has gone so totally mad that a statement of personal opinion can constitute a “hate crime”. Provided of course you are “hating” the right people! For example, it appears from the comments on this post that one can say anything one likes about a white heterosexual christian male. My reading of James Gracie’s comments doesn’t lead me to think that he thinks homosexuals are automatically thieves and paedophiles. That’s what the author of the article seems to want to make you think so that we can all have a good rant back at Mr Gracie and talk about how evil and “homophobic” he and everyone who disagrees with the legalisation of gay marriage is. What I take from his comments is that he is of the opinion that legalising gay marriage represents a massive shift in the way people in this country view morality and if things that were abhorrent 50 years ago are to be accepted and celebrated now then in another 50 years who knows!

      5. @Morgan Johnson

        Do you have any connections with Rev MacLeod?

        1. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 3:33pm

          No, but I shall be contacting him to get an interview and give the the avenue to voice is opinions and views, as he is rightly entitled to do so.

          1. The story is about Rev Gracie … he is the one whose opinions might be of interest …

            You have no connection to the other minister I referred to, Rev MacLeod????

          2. “but I shall be contacting him to get an interview and give the the avenue to voice is opinions and views”

            LOL! Oh, this gets better! Yeah, one self serving nut being interviewed by a delusional nobody in an imaginary company – a real threat gay rights there! LOL!

      6. @Morgan Johnson

        Opinions he can have – when they are vile and then broadcast they can then become hate crimes …. he chose to share his “opinion” over the radio – he has to take responsibility for his irresponsibility and rabid homophobia (which he is in denial about)

  8. Nathan Sparling, NUS Scotland LGBT Officer, said: “These kinds of comments, and similar ones aimed at the young people who were peacefully and positively demonstrating their support for marriage equality at the Parliament today, are truly despicable. A formal complaint was raised with Lothian & Borders Police about the incident at Holyrood. Hopefully achieving equal marriage in Scotland will be yet one more strike against hate crimes and will go further in creating a Scotland free of discrimination.”

    Whilst I understand that the church has a strong view on equal marriage, that does not and can not justify such outrageous and vilifying language. Ministers of religion have a responsibility to try and prevent harm – and this intemperant and hate filled language belittles the church.

  9. Jock S. Trap 12 Dec 2011, 11:52am

    So increasingly religion gets desperate in their wish to stop marriage Equality with irrelevent arguements and trying to make offensive comments… so boring.
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    It just shows how pathetic this religious fruitloops are and how they resort to any measures to get their own way.
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    It’s so very sad and with any luck most people will see it a distance themselves and support a fair, more stable society where people can marry regardless of gender and sexuality.

  10. Sophie Younger 12 Dec 2011, 11:54am

    Gracie says “…If I was to go down the street and saw a man say to a homosexual ‘you are a queer’, I would go into court and be a witness for him.”

    Gracie, if someone said this to me I would say ‘Yes’ and I would not need to be defended in court thank you very MUCH. Why do you assume that it is an insult to be recognised as a gay or a lesbian person? It is not.

    1. because the word queer implies that it is strange, odd, not normal. posting on here probably means you already know that. granted some people accept it and when it comes down to it its all about context, if its used to insult then it is homophobic. going off ‘you are queer’ a lone, ill take the definition of the word queer.

      since this is hypothetical i dont think gracie needed to paint a picture to use an example of homophobic abuse.

      1. I don’t want to be called queer but what I don’t get is why he thinks that should be a crime, but not what he’s said!

        1. It’s because he’s a very stupid person Eddie. No real mystery to it.

          1. No its because everyone on this forum seems to have misinterpreted his comments and the article doesn’t do much to help that with statements such as ” Tom French of the Equality Network, disagreed but Mr Gracie replied…” So we don’t know what Tom French said and any reply quoted is completely out of context and impossible to understand. Gracie did NOT say that homosexuals are also paedophiles, polygamists, and thieves. I think the point he was trying to make is that legalising paedophilia, polygamy or thievery would be unthinkable, but going back not too many years, the thought of gay marriage would have been widely seen as unthinkable. If homosexuals can say to society “you can’t impose your moral values on us” then what’s to stop in the future other groups saying the same thing? The way I read it I think that’s what he was trying to express.

  11. Good for you Stu, thank you for taking action on James Gracie’s vile comments that are clearly an incitement to anti-gay hatred.

    1. I agree – thanks, Stu.

    2. Like you have a hotline to the ex-gay park cruisers?

  12. Utterly predictable. Ignore the poisonous fool.

    1. Constantine 12 Dec 2011, 12:19pm

      Riondo – I couldn’t agree more. Not so much Gracie more graceless.

  13. Fighting against love is a lost battle in itself. We won already. Just a matter of time.

  14. Yes- Sophie- but what would you say if a bunch of lads shouted “Faggots” at you as you and your partner walked down that street? It has happened o me and my partner- and we found it offensive and intrusive. It’s the same when you get something as innocuous as a “wolf whistle” too. I don’t mind certain words like “queer” but terms like “Faggots and “bent freaks” and “gay cuxts” are deeply offensive.

    1. It’s intimidating also

  15. this is a bit ‘bottom of the barrel’. i always hate to get pedantic when im talking about the beliefs of millions of people, but hey at least there is no doubt over my existance. thats as close to god as you can get without actually having a soul.

    all this intolerance, small minded assumption, biased approach to what is right and wrong… its not very christian is it?

    1. NotStradamus 13 Dec 2011, 12:07am

      Intolerance, small minded assumption, and bias are all very Christian. Have a close look at the Christian holy book or any Christian congregation and see for yourself.

  16. He claims he’s not homophobic yet compares our orientation to polygamy (an heterosexual aberration last time I checked, as old as civilization…Islam still practices it I might add) and paedophilia. He sounds more like a sociopath albeit a religious one who is in dire need of treatment for his addiction.

    1. Polygamy is only a “heterosexual aberration” to the extent that marriage is a “heterosexual aberration.”

  17. Isn’t this incitement to hatred?

    Isn’t that a crime?

    1. It certainly appears to be incitement to hatred to me and thats why I have both complained to the BBC and contacted Lothian & Borders police and would encourage others to do likewise …

      1. Ignore him, Stu. He only seeks to provoke. Sad really.

        1. Yep, just laugh and report.

        2. @Iris / Will

          I have no intention of responding to him – he never says anything worth responding to …

          well other than laugh at the ridiculous nature of the comments

          Had some interesting discussion with 3 police services today – Lothian & Borders relating to this matter, Durham and the Met relating to other matters connected to PN … its a long battle – but sometimes you have to be prepared to take on risible behaviour and stand up for values you believe in …

          I have chosen my 3 battles and I will continue with them …

          1. Well said Stu. Keith lashes out in abject frustration and rage at his comments being deleted and his lack of any influence here (or anywhere). The day will never come where we need to take “advice” from some ex-gay failure like Keith spouting on about how he loves to mess with his sister with scat.

          2. Yep, he certainly provides a laugh :D That and pity.

            I’m impressed with your energy, Stu. I confess I don’t often do anything myself but I do appreciate what you do. Do keep us updated.

          3. @Iris

            Thank you for your support

            I certainly will keep you updated.

            Hopefully we will see a strong outcome to this one and some other matters …

          4. @Iris / Will

            Lothian & Borders Police have contacted me today to make arrangements to obtain a statement with a view to progressing this matter further …

          5. Excellent! Thank you for that, Stu.

        3. @Iris / Will

          Ignore who? lol

          Thanks PN!!!

  18. Mumbo Jumbo 12 Dec 2011, 1:21pm

    He forgot to mention bestiality. 7/10. Must try harder.

  19. I write to draw your attention to the following Religious/Catholic propaganda because it deeply disturbs me.

    Please find below specific quotes from an official vatican leaflet that is distributed in the UK via the Catholic Church, titled “CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION TO UNIONS BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS.

    The aforementioned leaflet can be purchased from http://www.cts-online.org.uk/acatalog/info_DO707.html and the content of this leaflet is identical to the content within the following official vatican webpage: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

    ….. continued in next post…..

    1. Below, from the previous link, I have copied and highlighted the sentences that I find particularly “hate fuelled”. I’d love to possibly try this under “hate crime legislation”. If the Catholics are worried about children, what kind of message does the following send out to vulnerable children and vulnerable adults – who are questioning their sexuality? The subliminally bullying messages below will only fuel internalised homophobia in young adults, fuel bullying, fuel self loathing and suicides. Where is the “live and let live” and “love thy neighbour” Christian messages from the Catholic dictatorship?

      “Those who would move from tolerance to the legitimization of specific rights for cohabiting homosexual persons need to be reminded that the approval or legalization of evil is something far different from the toleration of evil” ..

      1. Aforementioned quote was taken from following link, “Section II. POSITIONS ON THE PROBLEM OF HOMOSEXUAL UNIONS”, Bullet Point 5 (end of 2nd paragraph)” http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

        VATICAN IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO CONTROL (NOT JUST JUST PERSUADE) POLITICIANS?!! – see below…

        IV. POSITIONS OF CATHOLIC POLITICIANS WITH REGARD TO LEGISLATION IN FAVOUR OF HOMOSEXUAL UNIONS

        10. If it is true that all Catholics are obliged to oppose the legal recognition of homosexual unions, Catholic politicians are obliged to do so in a particular way, in keeping with their responsibility as politicians. Faced with legislative proposals in favour of homosexual unions, Catholic politicians are to take account of the following ethical indications.

        1. When legislation in favour of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic law-maker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favour of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral.

          When legislation in favour of the recognition of homosexual unions is already in force, the Catholic politician must oppose it in the ways that are possible for him and make his opposition known; it is his duty to witness to the truth. If it is not possible to repeal such a law completely, the Catholic politician, “could licitly support proposals aimed at limiting the harm done by such a law and at lessening its negative consequences at the level of general opinion and public morality”, on condition that his “absolute personal opposition” to such laws was clear and well known and that the danger of scandal was avoided……………

          1. This does not mean that a more restrictive law in this area could be considered just or even acceptable; rather, it is a question of the legitimate and dutiful attempt to obtain at least the partial repeal of an unjust law when its total abrogation is not possible at the moment.

            http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

            I would seriously love to see the above tried under hate crime legislation. It probably would never win….. but the attempt would be enough Further, I see that a pro-gay rainbow coalition has been set up.. however, I cannot find any information or websites about this?? The antigay Scotland for marriage website has been well advertised/funded (another “great” use of church funds)….

        2. Constantine 12 Dec 2011, 4:04pm

          Gracie isn’t a Catholic – He’s just an idiot

  20. Well the church should know all about paedophilia. Their priests are experts.
    It’s just a shame that in this day and age the church is seen as a intolerant hate filled judgemental organisation. Jesus certainly would have had nothing to do with it. It’s time for it to go. It’s all a lie anyway.

  21. Rev’olting James Gracie doesn’t think women should open their mouths in church orbe involved in politics but that they should keep silent and stay in the kitchen.

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/4thoughttv/4od#3227692

  22. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 1:30pm

    I fully agree with Reverend James Gracie.

    Being gay is a “lifestyle choice” in a extent, as is the way that homosexuals behave and act.

    I think he may be referring to the fact that Homosexual men, go for people younger them themselves, this can be proven by looking on gaydar, older men targeting younger guys to make themselves feel better.

    So in theory if these guys that were being targeted were under 16, he would be right.

    1. To what extent would that be then? Homosexuals behave and act like human beings, same as heterosexuals act. There is no choice in that. If there is when were you given the choice. Who came to you and asked you if you wanted to be gay or straight or bi or none of the above eh?

      And you’re second point I don’t even understand. There are plenty of straight people out there who prefer to date younger people. There are also plenty who prefer an older person. There is not even any sort of argument in that. But more to the point, if you agree with the “honourable” Reverend, why on Earth are you trolling on Gaydar?

      1. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 2:03pm

        Perhaps I will clarify, there comes a time, when a male usually in their early teens, gets ‘feelings’ and then makes a choice on those feelings as what gender they are attracted to, you may disagree, but we have researched and interview people about this, and they agree that they had the feelings and followed those, to theoretically this is a choice, or a decision, whatever you call it, they decided on what they were.

        Homosexuals behave badly, mostly in public, rather like school children, they are given something, but want more and more, homosexuals were given civil partnership, but no that’s not enough, they want more.

        I ask myself, if homosexuals want to be equal, like everyone else, maybe if they stopped behaving and doing everything different, EG, separate clubs, events, Pride Marches, etc, this would make them equal to everyone else, as they would be doing the same things.

        I firmly believe that it is the homosexuals who can and have to adjust and become equal.

        1. Morgan, the Prime Ministers of Iceland and Belguim are homosexual! They seem to be very well behaved in public! From your writing, I would say you are a teenager and a very silly one at that! Please get some life experience of some sort before you make any more of a fool of yourself on Pink News!

        2. We being who? Your previous post to Stu listed a Walken Media. Yet when I google this there is no match. Are you officially registered? And where and when was this interviewing carried out? What was the percentage results to who stated they felt same sex and/or opposite sex attraction? How can you confirm the results were accurate and people were not simply lying based on someone in their face asking them about their sexuality?

          And so I’m clear. Your argument is that following natural instincts is a choice? That seems a rather loose theory to try and argue.

          Furthermore. I enjoy football, I enjoy beer. I enjoy going out to straight places and I cause nobody any bother. I work in a Government office speaking to the general public every single day without any song or dance. So will you be so kind as to “give” me equal marriage rights as I am no different to the man sat right next to me>

        3. Jock S. Trap 12 Dec 2011, 3:32pm

          Morgan Johnson… A prime example of how dangerous ignorance is by working only ever on assumptions not and never on Facts but then never wanting to know the facts.
          -
          It is heterosexual bigots like yourself that moan about divisions yet are the very people who insisted on it by excluding, so it’s a bit childish to play the victim and moan about equality when it’s his kind that have always insisted on treating others different.
          -
          There’s none so blind as the ignorant person like Morgan Johnson.

          1. Thankfully heterosexual bigots are a dying breed. Its why the feel a need to “bring the fight” to a gay site. Its the desperation of the lost.

          2. Jock S. Trap 19 Dec 2011, 3:05pm

            Oh so true Will!!

    2. Please provide us with the factual evidence and any studies published in the legitimate journals of medicine and science to support your claims. Do you think anyone in their right mind would choose to be gay or bi knowing how much bigotry, hatred, stigma and discrimation against LGBT people there is out there? Nobody comes into this world religious and I suggest you get treatment for your addiction. Your belief system is a choice and a lifestyle freely chosen, our orientation, just like yours isn’t. When did you choose to be straight, do explain, assuming you are which I doubt.

    3. Another thing,polygamy is an heterosexual phenomenon, condoned in the old testament in fact, hardly as a result of same-sex marriage. Islam allows polygamous marriages, up to four wives at a time. Explain that, you idiot and why aren’t you and your so called “christians” condemning that I wonder?

    4. Oh Morgan , how hilarious you are! Your comment reveals your complete ignorance! My partner and I have lived together for 26 years! Both in our fifties. I know many couples in similar circumstances. I have never been on gaydar and never plan to! I am not interested in younger men! Why should I? I already have a partner! I doubt whether you have ever met a homosexual or a same-sex couple! You give yourself away because you believe that all homosexual people are promiscuous! I think you need to clean up your own heterosexual world first. Would you like a list of heterosexual failings? It would take me quite a long time to write it! Sorry you are a homophobe but you can get medical treatment and counselling before it is too late.

    5. “Being gay is a “lifestyle choice” in a extent, as is the way that homosexuals behave and act.”

      So is stupidity a lifestyle choice. One you have clearly embraced.

      As for looking at Gaydar for “proof” of the proclivities of gay men, you’re obviously failed science in school. It would explain the above observation, ergo, you’re an idiot.

      What’s more revealing is you spend so much of your time on gaydar you feel able to comment on it….. want to know what that says about you, closet case?

    6. @Morgan Johnson

      If I were you I would exercise caution in what you say … you are treading a fine line on what may or may not be inciting hatred yourself ….

      1. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 3:35pm

        Stu, we have the right to opinion, if you don’t like, then that is tough

        1. @Morgan Johnson

          You have the right to an opinion …

          You do not have the right to harass, offend or intimidate by proclaiming those messages in public or the media …

          If you had an ounce of intelligence you would understand the balance of rights and responsibilities and you would see where the issue of hatred comes from, as you appear to be unable to do so, I feel for your inferiority and ignorance …

    7. I go for older men so that throws that theory out of the window doesn’t it, and have you seen the straight scene they go for younger girls anyway. Its like every mans dream.

    8. Morgan Johnson wrote

      “I think he may be referring to the fact that Homosexual men, go for people younger them themselves, this an be proven by looking on gaydar, older men targeting younder guys to themselves feel better”

      Morgan Johnson, are you saying that “Heterosexual” males never marry women half their age, or never use youger attractive women as trophy wives and sex objects?

      1. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 3:37pm

        Heterosexual men may marry females younger them, but with homosexuals, they target them 90% for one reason and one reason alone.

        1. http://www.chacha.com/question/what-is-the-average-age-difference-in-a-marriage – 75% of heterosexual men are older than there spouse now could you get the figures for homosexual men please?

        2. So no man(or woman) chooses to date/sleep with/whatever with a younger person of the opposite sex for anything other than marriage?

          And what is your 90% figure based on? More research from your, as yet, unnamed organisation?

          1. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 4:27pm

            Kris you need to read upwards and you will see my name :)

          2. I asked for the details of your organisation as I could not find any record of them. I am well aware of what your name is. I simply wish to verify the research you claim your organisation carried out but cannot find details for said organisation

          3. Perhaps “Morgan” can provide an address, website, articles published on the internet etc etc to verify his organisation …

            Otherwise, its either anonymous, fictitious, a pseudonym, imaginary or completely out of touch (surely a media organisation would have exposure on the internet to demonstrate their relevance)

        3. Could it be that short of having a birthday on precicely the same day of the same year, homosexuals are bound to be pairing off with a partner who is either older or younger and given that both are male, one of any given pair will inevitably end up with a younger partner. So long as that’s done within the bounds of consenting adults I fail to see your point, unless you’re pulling stats from your arse.

        4. @Morgan Johnson

          Provide emprical evidence for you assertion from a peer reveiwed Journal!

          1. Oh course he can’t – he’s a bigot with no proof of the idiocy he spouts on a gay site, and who spends a lot of time on gaydar. What do you think that kind of person is, John? :)

  23. This guy’s head is so far up his arse, the congregation roll him down the aisle every Sunday.

  24. Errol Semple 12 Dec 2011, 1:44pm

    It is one thing to have a view. It is another to publically verbalize it from a position of supposed influence.
    That is promoting hate and ignorance.
    Just another irrelevant religious bigot using religion to preach hate.

    1. Errol Semple 12 Dec 2011, 2:31pm

      Gracie´s other comments are typically hypocritical. No thought there just dogma.

    1. Thanks, Pavlos

      The Scotsmans transcript misses this corker of a sentence from the Rev Gracie :

      ““Yes it’s a lifestyle choice” and compared it to “people who steal, people who have tendencies for all sorts of things.””

    2. Thanks Pavlo’s

      I agree with Stu . . . What a corker!!!

      So to speak

  25. jamestoronto 12 Dec 2011, 2:23pm

    They really had to be scraping the bottom of the barrel when they came up with this hate-monger.

  26. Pope John 21st 12 Dec 2011, 3:12pm

    This man is just as bad as the thug in the street.

    1. Pulpit Thuggery!!! is more insidous

  27. Another offensive obnoxious idiot who made the lifestyle choice to be a mouthy fool!!!

  28. “If I’ve unnecessarily offended someone then I do apologise, but I’m not going to back off from holding my views.”

    I’m offended by your views you piece of SH!T!

  29. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 3:51pm

    Having spoken to both Strathclyde Police and Lothian Police, Press Office, they know nothing about any complaints.

    They are going to come back to and let me know their stance.

    1. Haven’t you embarrassed yourself enough? Go away.

      1. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 4:28pm

        I have embarrassed some people yes, myself, no.

        1. “I have embarrassed some people yes, myself, no.”

          LOL! Oh, we wait with baited breath. Anyone tell you the internet was a global phenomenon, or do you not read the billboards when you’re shouting at traffic?

          You’re making stupid threats on a website after you demonstrate yourself bigot. I’d say you’ve done enough to sufficiently advertise yourself as a basket case with this display of the usual amount of power most bigots have, which would be none.

          Run along, child. LOL.

    2. To be fair, one doesnt normally report a crime to the press office …

      Nor did I mention Strathclyde Police …

      Lothian & Borders are being reasonably helpful so far …

      If you want to understand hate crime (which I suspect you do not) I suggest you go away, for some considerable time, and read ACPOS guidance on hate crime

      1. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 10:22pm

        But that is where Journalists have a contact point..

        Strathclyde Police is the Force area in which BBC Scotland are located, in Glasgow.

        You would have contacted Lothian & Borders because that’s where you are based and or live.

        As I said previously, neither Force have any records of any complaints are not looking at any matter to do with a Rev James Gracie.

        As for Hate Crime, this is not a hate crime, it is someone, having his opinion which he is entitled to do. If people take offense, then personally that is there own problem to deal with.

        1. Its clearly a communications breakdown within LBP because I have spoken to several officers …

          Having been a police officer and worked in media liaison on attachment I would be very surprised if the media relations would make any comment on a speculative question of “has there been any complaints made against any individual” – data protection would exist there …

          As it happens, the investigation is happening and none of your sophistry is convincing

          1. “As it happens, the investigation is happening and none of your sophistry is convincing”

            It’s called denial, Stu. This muppet thinks he’s a journalist in an imaginary company and makes silly threats on a gay site after making bigoted remarks – do you really think the truth is something we can expect from this weak minded basket case?

            I think Iris is right, its in line with Matthew’s delusional state of mind and past proclivities to “threaten” people on an anonymous gay site, I think its him.

          2. @Will

            It does sound like Matthew, I agree ..

            My favourite bit of an email from the police this morning made me amused given some of the comments on here:

            “I can inform you that your complaint is being actively progressed along with a further similar complaint which was received following a protest outside the Scottish Parliament last Thursday in relation to same sex marriage. I am also aware of the publicity that this has attracted within the media over the weekend.

            I can assure you that Lothian & Borders Police do not tolerate hate crime of any kind. We will fully investigate any complaints received in this regard with a view to reporting the perpetratror/s to the Procurator Fiscal. “

      2. “the words failure and abject embarrassment come to mind!”

        Totally agree Keith! We ARE talking about all you 500+ comments being dumped unceremoniously in the bin where they belong, aren’t we?

        Still laughing at you.

        1. “Always happy to help the homosexual disorder brigade.”

          That’s because you ARE the only disordered homosexual here.

          No such thing as “ex” gay Keith! Wha’ts it like being a closet queer, I have no comprehension of that weakness?

  30. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 4:17pm

    Having heard back from Strathclyde Police and Lothian Police just now, they tell me that they have not had any complaints about this Radio Programme, Their call team or Diversity Unit have none at all.

    They went on to say that if someone calls and tells them about this, then it is ‘logged’ and that is about it really, and this came from the Chief Inspector via The Press Office.

    1. So BOTH Strathclyde and Lothians Police have confirmed to you that if alleged hate crime is reported then it is logged “and that is about it really”? If that’s the case would you be willing to confirm the name of the “Chief Inspector” you spoke with because I’m sure that would require investigation of either the officer/force in question or perhaps yourself?

      1. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 4:57pm

        Strathclyde and Lothians Police have confirmed to us that there have been no complaints about Rev James Gracie.

        If someone finds his comments unpleasant and they call the Police hen it is ‘logged’ but as far as they said, it is not being investigated by them, nor is it being treated as a hate crime.

        1. @Morgan Johnson …

          Well someone in Lothian & Borders has a communications breakdown as the sergeant I was speaking to about 45 minutes ago is very interested in the case …

          Of course, I wouldnt go to the press office to make a complaint ..

          The diversity unit neither … because that tends to deal with internal diveristy …

          I would tend to report this as a crime …

          So perhaps you would verify who your organisation is (otherwise it is clearly a figment of your imagination) …

          I am more than comfortable in the various emails and telephone contact I have had with several officers at LBP, perhaps you could reveal your contact …

          1. Morgan Johnson 12 Dec 2011, 10:16pm

            Stu, he maybe ‘very interested in the case’ – but there are no complaints logged and they are taking no action. That’s the line from the Press Office, which was given to them by The Chief. Which I contacted as I am a Journalist.

          2. @Morgan

            I would be very surprised if a media office would speak regarding any complaints against another person – its not in the interests of there being an impartial investigation which has integrity, for every matter to be discussed with cooperation to of some or all of the media. In addition to this there are data protection cosniderations. Clearly, some issues will be discussed with the media (sometimes on a confidential basis) – my experience of working as an investigator and my attachement to media services is that until this matter was progressed, media services would not even be contacted about it and even if the media sought information (which I do not believe you are) then officers involved would be asked if the media should be told about it and they may then be given some vague comment that no investigation was happening if this was appropriate to the integrity of the investigation. You are hardly an impartial journalist … if indeed you are one …

        2. @Morgan Johnson

          When you use the term “us” . . . could you post a link to your organisation?

          1. It’s the royal us. He’s actually a queen.

          2. I am SO over Morgan Johnson!

          3. He can’t. It doesn’t exist. The man is a delusional mental health case.

            Its all very funny, though.

  31. And now we’re being compared to thieves! What’s wrong with these people? Do they wake up in the morning and think of the most offensive thing they can say or something??

    1. Think, no they don’t have the initiative to think for themselves, these anti-gay Christian extremists work from a script, they all use much the same offensive language in their constant attempts to dehumanise LGBT’s and block equal rights.

  32. George Broadhead 12 Dec 2011, 5:53pm

    This man is not apparently a minister of the Free Church of Scotland which has issued a disclaimer. He from the Freechurch, whatever that is.

    1. Free Church of Scotland (Continuing) which is extremist with a capital E

      1. So he is an extremist, Extremist! lol

  33. lol – don’t these relgious maniacs realise how easy they make it for us? No, I don’t suppose so: they live in a completely parallel universe.

  34. The Free Church of Scotland (Continuing) issued this comment on (as they term it) “homosexual” marriage. The quotation marks are from the church.

    http://www.freekirkcontinuing.co.uk/FCC/News_Desk/Entries/2011/11/15_Scottish_Government_and_homosexual_marriage.html

    I am deeply concerned by what they sinisterly imply in their last sentence

  35. The more I look into the vile hatred that seems to come from this “church”, the more I laugh … (in despair) …

    http://www.freekirkcontinuing.co.uk/FCC/Prayer_Points/Entries/2007/2/5_Sexual_Orientation_Regulations.html

    Could a church sound any more antagonistic or less loving?

  36. Rev Gracie seems to court the media, having taken part in a C4 broadcast publicising his belief that women should not preach and that their place is in the home.

    He appeared on The Big Question with Nicky Campbell stating that the antichrist would emerge from the position of the Pope.

    After the Call Kaye programme he took part in a demonstration where police forced a leaflet to be withdrawn …

    Sounds obsessed and deranged to me …

    1. Yes, anyone who compares marriage equality to paedophilia, polygamy and theft has lost the plot.
      Strait-jackets come to mind – though it’s ironic because straight-jackets are what Gracie wants to place on everybody else.

    2. In terms of his religious beliefs, he is obsessed with identifying and crushing evil as if evil is outside of him, as if the crucifixion was not efficacious… sounds like.

      Is anybody safe (or saved !) with a guy like that around?

      1. I Agree

        It is curious and telling that the efficacious nature of the crucifixion as a major tenent of Christianity, some how elludes this man in his obession with all things evil.

        1. mmm… I have a vision of him wrestling with ‘the snake’ ;)

          1. That’s a very graphic vision Jonpol, so graphic that I can see it too.

  37. Bill (Scotland) 12 Dec 2011, 8:46pm

    The Free Church (Contiunuing) is a bizarre fringe sect that few people pay attention to. I think they should be free to express their views, though. I doubt too many people, even in the ‘Bible Belt’ of Scotland (and I live in its fringes) pay too much attention to these ignorant bigots.

    Here’s the origin of this outfit as outlined in Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Church_of_Scotland_(Continuing)
    - it really says all that needs to be said.

  38. THE PASTOR IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THE WESTERN WORLD WILL WAKE UP TO THAT FACT ONE DAY. GAY IS NOT JUSTIFIED BECAUSE THE PARTNERS ARE CONSENTING, IF A MAN’S WIFE CONSENTS TO SLEEP WITH ANOTHER MAN WILL HE NOT BE OFFENDED? WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO WITH YOUR SEXUALITY IS YOUR CHOICE, BUT NOT ALL CHOICES ARE RIGHT. THE TRUTH IS BITTER.

    1. Dream on …

      If insulting people (as Rev Gracie seems very good at) then it would follow that blasphemy (which is a form of insult) is equally acceptable … would you agree? If not, why do you think Rev Gracies actions are acceptable and someone telling a blasphemous joke is wrong? Please try and rationalise this one …

      I suspect you will not be able to …

    2. Learn to use your caps lock button and I might think about what your saying!! (though when you are spouting crap like that its unlikely).

      And what is this about a mans wife etc, I’m not married and neither are any of the british gay men I know thats kind of what this is about.

    3. The truth is that there is a difference in average size between the third Interstitial Nucleus of the Anterior Hypothalamus (INAH3) in the brains of heterosexual men and homosexual men.

      Bitter? Naw.

      In fact, during the last one hundred years, scientific research has accumulated overwhelming evidence supporting the proposition that same-sex activity and same-sex bonding has been found in practically every life form on earth, including humanity, and that it does not harm society in any way.

      Plucking facts about human nature and homosexuality out of the air is outdated, especially now that it is universally recognized that we have all the same human rights as you – or anybody else – because gay rights are human rights.

      Be on the right side of history.

    4. “THE TRUTH IS BITTER.”

      So are you it seems.

      Now, why not do something worthwhile with your sad little life:- see if you can find the Caps Lock key,

    5. Jock S. Trap 13 Dec 2011, 10:38am

      I find it funny thats it’s those who claim homosexuality is a choice that seem to feel the need to dictate how we all should be to them.

    6. Curious how your use of a repetitive elevated typography to get you point across, actually makes you argument even more mindless.

  39. Frankly I am not even going to comment on this prats ridiculous and insulting comment!!!
    Damn it I already have!!!

  40. Another silly, ignornat man who does not read his Bible and who is trying to get some publicity. To be ignored.

  41. GingerlyColors 13 Dec 2011, 6:29am

    Having met a fellow gay man who was raped when he was only five years old while in care (his mother abandoned him) I find the Rev James Gracie’s comments totally and uttley offensive. I would like to know how much child abuse goes on in the Free Church of Scotland, the Catholic Church cannot be the only ones at it. If they find my comments offensive then go on, sue me as they will end up hearing from my solicitor as we gaysd resent being compared to paedophiles!

  42. Hetero sexual marriage should also be banned because there are far more hetero sexual child molesters than homo sexual ones

    1. What are you on about?

      1. He’s putting the word “fact” at the end of sentences now to see if he an stop the inevitable deletion of his lies and filth! LOL! What pathetic basket case ketih-delete is.

        (And I reported it – I encourage other to do the same and watch it disappear like his mental health!)

        1. I suspect that’s long gone. Plus I noted we are the homosexual disorder or something. I would hypothesise that the one with a form of disorder is the one who spends a lot of time on a news site for LGB stories with the express intent of antagonising it’s users

        2. By his own admission keith is “ex-gay”. Go figure. That “cure” worked SOOOOO well, he pends all his time here! LOL!

  43. I can respect that people have religious beliefs but you have question their choice of religious leaders ? These guys can’t even lay out a coherent argument to support their beliefs.

  44. Found the following twitter feed for our new friend Morgan, http://twitter.com/WalkenMedia
    Leads to a website, http://www.walken.co.uk

    “We contribute(d) to The late News of The World, Daily Mail” says it all really!

    1. Amused me looking at this “Professional outfit”, which isnt found on a google search (which you would have though an organisation seeking to develop relationships with clients would wish to happen) stated this on their website:

      “We are professional freelance journalists with more then ten years’ experience in news, investigations, and online journalism, along music radio and creative image making. We have worked with some of the best and newest clients and news services.

      Like all journalists we have a wide range of interests, so it would be impossible to list them all here – but here is a taste.

      We love walking – Music, stories, art, music, films, photography and gadgets. Oh and investigating!”

      Wouldnt build confidence in a PR/media consultancy that I would seek in terms of their media acumen …

      My best guess is that this is a media student trying to sound like he is one of the big boys …

      1. if you prefer poorly punctuated knee-jerk nonsense with far too many mentions of rules and logic, then, my friend, you’ve come to the right place.

        !!!

    2. “We mainly focus on the investigative side, but am able to write and report on any subject you require.”

      I think the grammatical error there gave away the fact that ‘we’ is more than likely simply ‘I’. There’s something very weird about the use of ‘we’ all the time – as though he has to remind himself to write it.

      Another one: “We have been a regular freelance contributor”.

      1. Reminds me of Margaret Thatcher’s use of the “royal we” as in “We are a grandmother”! Are YOU really?!?

        1. I was thinking more along the lines of ‘We are legion’! :D

          1. Or “we are nuts”.

          2. Fruit and nutcase more like . . .

            Lol

          3. I think “we” all know this is a spoof site, amusing that someone is so obsessive that they had to do this.

      2. yea right… ‘we’ am able… cute!

    3. Nice company Morgan attracts on Twitter, like follower http://twitter.com/onetruerealist who calls for the ‘extermination’ of gay people.

      1. Indeed. But this sad little man has 439 tweets for just 19 followers! LOL! What a loser. Wonder how “real” that makes him feel :)

      2. Might also add Morgan Johnson himself has only 4 followers….. yes, that’s right FOUR.

        I think my 6 year old niece has more twitter followers.

        LOL! I’m sorry, but this man is f***** clown! What a joke…..

        1. I had to add this, his tweets read like the demented ramblings of a mental hospital inmate. Totally delusional, as Irish pointed out, the “we” and the “I” get confused a lot.

          He also seems utterly obsessed with some gay hill walking group called Outdoor Lads.

          This is one of his tweets (to his 4 followers, LOL!) “we spied @OutdoorLads, shall be keeping an eye on them”

          Really? Spying on a bunch of gay guys? Why? And he spends a lot of time on gaydar, by his own admission.

          Anyone think this is all a bit “too protesting”?

          Best laugh I’ve had all day.

          1. Ahh the old I just like to know what they’re doing argument. Never fails

          2. (Type: Iris, not “Irish”)

          3. I was a bit perplexed by the whole obsession with the gay outdoor group thing too.

            His tweety follower http://twitter.com/onetruerealist tweeted on 9/12 that if you join this outdoor group, you may end up with http://twitter.com/StevenLinten uninvited to your bed.

            I will now be joining Outdoorlads ASAP!

          4. At least Steven Linten has 36 followers….. maybe Morgan is just jealous given his appalling lack of popularity in following gay people around and “spying” on them?

          5. Steven Linton is quite sexy …

            The other guy sounds like an idiotic football hooligan trying a new rentamob crowd for aggro … certainly no more intelligent or threatening than that

          6. Stu, it’s Linten, and I saw him first, although only after Morgan became obsessed by him.

            I am very good at being outdoors, in fact thinking about Steven Linten, I might go and pitch a tent right now!

          7. @DC78

            Lol

            Might have to search for my tent in the loft

            You never know he might have a friend lol …

            Anyway …

          8. If you look at the content of some of the friends that Morgan appears to associate with they seem to support extermination of all gays, imposing the use of pink triangles on all homosexuals, racist language etc etc – in other words white supremacists …

            I would love to know if the Rev Gracie is aware he has supporters with such fine and upstanding backgrounds …

  45. As a Christian who believes in freedom, justice and equality, I totally dissociate myself from this church minister’s view!

  46. From what I’ve been able to find out on the net, the Free Church of Scotland itself only has about 5000 members, this minister’s outfit is a splinter group of that tiny denomination. It’s like giving publicity to those lunatic Westboro losers – scarcely worth the effort.

  47. D Schneider 13 Dec 2011, 11:29pm

    I’ll respond with a quote that sheds some light on Gracie’s remarks about marriage, homosexuality and paedophilia, uttered by a Roman misogynist, “Wouldn’t he rather commit suicide than get married and endure tyranny? Postumus is offered an alternative to marriage – if it’s sex he wants then why not sleep with a boy since they don’t nag or demand presents or say that he’s no good in bed!” (see Juvenal Satires, 6 in loc.). Hadrian’s pederastic relationship with a Greek youth named Antinous is well-attested, and other examples can be cited. So there! Let no one accuse me of being a Bible puncher!

  48. I notice no further comments from delete-keith on his buffoonery….. well, Quelle surprise!

    LOL!

  49. Al Jackson 15 Dec 2011, 7:01pm

    It’s ironic that many of these prehistoric creatures don’t believe in prehistory.
    Gay = paedophile? No, no, no….
    Priest = paedophile? Good chance.

  50. Donald J Morrison 16 Dec 2011, 9:53pm

    Can I respectfully ask if this is all you can do – call people names – if they tell you the truth in genuine Christian love? If it is, then it only shows your vacuous arguments for what they are.

    Call it what you want and claim it what you will but homosexuality is a sin before God, and a gross one at that. Homosexual relationships and practices are abhorrent to God. The Bible unambiguously teaches that those who were guilty of this sin in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah incurred Divine condemnation and judgement because “they committed abomination before Me.” (Ezekiel 16:50). This is what God said and He records it so that we might never forget it.

    In Genesis 18, and the first twenty-eight verses, we read that those who wallowed unashamedly there, in this sin, were in one moment of time swept away by a devastating stroke of Divine judgment. Let truth powerfully speak for itself: “Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven; and He overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.” (Genesis 19 v 24, 25)

    Today the barrenness and desolation of the Dead Sea, where once these cities stood, bears lasting testimony to the fact that God is not mocked. Try as men will but the unerring truth of God’s Word can never be hushed up, for it says that: “All these things happened unto them for ensamples; and they are written for our admonition.” (1 Corinthians 10: 11)

    It is true that some people hate homosexuals. Some people even engage in “gay bashing.” But it must be remembered that people who engage in such activities are sinning against God; they are not at all living in accordance with the law of Christ. The true Christian loves the homosexual and shows it by treating him in a lawful manner, according to the law of God (1 Jn. 5:3). Slander, violence, hatred and scorn should never be the attitude of a Christian toward the homosexual; Christians should protect homosexuals from personal attack. Yet, while the Christian should love the homosexual by treating him lawfully, he must also love him by being biblically honest with him. A person’s attitude toward homosexuality must not be shaped by our changing, pagan culture but by God’s inspired, infallible revelation, the Bible. The Bible offers hope to the homosexual because it speaks the truth and proclaims forgiveness of sins through Jesus Christ.

    1. The Bible makes no mention of homosexual relationships at all …

      In particular it makes no mention that it is a more heinous “sin” than any other (for example judging others)

      The Bible is also particularly clear about being subject to civil law, which make inciting hatred and communications offences a crime …

      The vilification and demonisation of an entire group of people is unChristian and full of hate, and I am pleased that Lothian & Borders police are emphatically investigating Rev Gracie for his intemperant and vile words …

      Why are you on a gay site?

    2. @ Donald J. Morrison -

      No offense intended, sir, but homosexuality, supported by extensive scientific research, is one of several perfectly normal and natural sexual orientations, and like heterosexuality, does not harm society in any way when it occurs privately between consenting adults.

      Moreover, homosexuals exists in all societies past and present and we are protected by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

      On the other hand, isn’t there a complete lack of honest scientific evidence to support the propositions that homosexuality causes devastating natural disasters, that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah even existed, and that an afterlife of any kind awaits well-intentioned but deluded human beings of any religion?

      Frankly, I sincerely hope that more and more people will shape their attitude toward homosexuality in terms of reality in order to make the world a better place for everyone.

      Incidentally, I too question your presence here on a gay site.

    3. Donald, So much is factually incorrect in what you said. Firstly, it’s not fashion that’s ‘promoting’ homosexuality now, it was quite accepted to be gay in ancient times. It was the Church who sought to demonise it in the Middle Ages whereas it had previously not been a big deal.

      Secondly, the sin of Sodom was NOT homosexuality – it was inhospitality. Jesus himself mentions that. Even though the men of Sodom sought to rape the angels, the sin there was RAPE and of angels at that! NOT the orientation of the men, who could easily have been straight anyway and using threatened rape as a tool of power. When we send rapists to prison, it’s not because of them being straight or gay, it is the RAPE that is the crime.

      You saying that that means ‘god doesn’t approve of gay people’ is like me saying that the prohibition on adultery means ‘god disapproves of straight people. Both are wrong.

    1. I support both Donald J Morrison and Rev James Gracie in their brave defence of historic Christianity. This in the face of a small minority representing those who seem determined under Satanic influence, to destroy the influence of Christianity in the laws of the United Kingdom, let alone Scotland. Proverbs 14 v 34 declares ‘Righteousness Exalteth a Nation but Sin is a reproach unto any people’

      The Free Church Continuing is not a sect or a cult but part of the worldwide church of Jesus Christ, which is catholic, Evangelical and Reformed in its witness.

  51. To those of you who are not Scots and don’t quite know what the “Free church of Scotland (Continuing) are,I would ask you not to take them seriously,no one else does!

  52. And clearly, organisations such as ‘the church’ are extremely well placed to comment on paedophiles! Except the efforts of them and their hierarchy across the range of their particular cults only extended to keeping them hidden, aiding their crimes against children, covering up scandals and refusing to co-operate with the authorities.

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