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European Parliament urges Croatia to protect gay citizens before joining EU

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  1. I thought that the understanding for membership of the EU was the capacity to fulfil certain criteria – in terms of economic development, jurisprudence and social justice. The EU was never supposed to be about geographical convenience. If countries cannot meet the criteria then they cannot join.

    1. They should not be allowed to join. The EU already made serious errors letting some Eastern European backwaters in, waiving sensible requirements just as they did for some countries in the Eurozone (with the results we now see). Too many of these little monsters getting into the EU before they are ready will be too destabilising.

      1. patronising comment with a typical xenophobic attitude

      2. wow. Is Slovenia a backwater? It’s small, but I’ve seen drag queens there.

    2. True… unless you’re Greece, in which case you apparently don’t have to bother with the economic requirements.

      I’m not even sure why they’d want to join the EU right now.

  2. This document highlights the issues that Croatia needs to comply with:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Croatia_to_the_European_Union

    Given that the EU seem to state that Croatia complies with requirements on Justice, Freedom and Security … one wonders what the exact standards are … If there are concerns in this area, why is the EU not suggesting that the compliance is not in place ….

  3. Keith Farrell 2 Dec 2011, 8:07pm

    Isd Spain part of the EU because I just wonder how many of the EU contries are upholding gay rights or are they going to get expelled from the EU if they change their laws or make laws against gay people. sounds like double stanards to me

    1. I don’t take your meaning regarding Spain.
      The country has some of the most advanced social legislation in the world and full gay marriage is one of them.
      Of all the countries I frequent it is probably the least homophobic of any of them.
      True the new government has been doing a bit of sabre rattling about gay marriage but, they are a right wing party and this is to be expected.

  4. Bill (Scotland) 2 Dec 2011, 9:57pm

    It’s a pity they don’t make sure that some existing members of the EU don’t flout the obligations they signed up to as a condition for them being allowed to join. Croatia will most likely join on schedule and its shortcomings will quietly be forgotten, just as they have already been in other cases.

  5. Since we are in Brussels, am surprised PN did not post the news that Elio Di Rupo managed to finalize negotiations for the formation of a Belgian government. Most high ranking openly gay person since Ancient Times probably…

  6. GingerlyColors 3 Dec 2011, 6:44am

    With the crisis in the Eurozone and petty rules coming out of Brussels governing our lives people not only in the UK but other Western European countries are getting cheesed off with the European Union. Croatia has yet to experience the EU warts and all. An alternative is EFTA, the European Free Trade Association. Replacing the EU with EFTA may mean the end of the European Court of Justice which is based in Brussels but all the countries will still have to answer to the European Court of Human Rights based in The Hague. I feel that the current set-up of the EU will backfire and could result in some countries reverting to military dictatorships at a cost gay people there. Scrap the EU, replace it with EFTA but still demand that the likes of Croatia toe the line on gay rights and social justice. Also while the ECHR does not have jurisdiction in North Cyprus, a territory recognised by no one except Turkey, the courts should put pressure on Turkey to repeal this outdated piece of colonial legislation on the part of the island it occupies before allowing Turkey into either the EU or EFTA.

    1. de Villiers 3 Dec 2011, 8:22am

      Does no-one in the UK realise that it is now a powerless country? Britain, France, Italy, Spain – we are nothing compared to India, China, Brazil, the USA. The only way we can have any global power is to be part of a united Europe.

      1. I agree we need free trade.

        I agree we need to work with neighbours to facilitate this.

        I disagree we need united fiscal and foreign policy.

        I disagree with you statistics. Using world bank figures – the only countries that are economically more powerful (consistently) than the UK are the USA, China, France, Germany and Japan.

        We exceed by a long way Brazil, India, Mexico, Korea, Canada, Australia, Turkey, Indonesia, Switzerland and all of our EU partners (other than those already mentioned) when considered as individual economies.

        We need to cooperate but not necessarily integrate

      2. Spanner1960 3 Dec 2011, 11:09am

        India or Brazil? Are you mad? We may not be the empire we once were, but we can still wipe the floor with a couple of tin-pot third world outfits that claim to be up with the rest of us whilst 80% of their populations live in abject poverty.

        Equally Spain is hanging on by its fingernails before it ends up being yet another Eurozone bailout.

        1. Sadly Britain is a Trojan horse of EU’s unity.

        2. de Villiers 3 Dec 2011, 9:23pm

          Not for much longer. The BRICS will soon overtake Britain and France.

        3. de Villiers 3 Dec 2011, 9:24pm

          to Spanner.

    2. what a silly comment, what powers would efta have to force its members to toe the line on gay rights, only stronger united eu can do just that

      1. GingerlyColors 4 Dec 2011, 6:35pm

        EFTA, the EU and the European Court of Human Rights are all different separate organisations. As for a stronger EU I disagree. The EU is a stronger version of the EEC which we joined in 1973. Unfortunately the whole thing is just about to go pear shaped and it was only in the 1970’s that Greece, Spain and Portugal (Three of the PIIGS) got rid of their military dictatorships and reverted to democratic governments. When things go wrong the populations of those countries will turn to extremists who they think will sort the mess out. For example: 1930’s Depression. Hitler in power, 6,000,000 Jews, Gays, Gypsies and others murdered in the death camps.

  7. Spanner1960 3 Dec 2011, 11:06am

    Who gives a flying toss about the EU anyway? We need to get the hell out of that mess of bureaucracy and BS before the entire Eurozone implodes, and we become totally bogged down with economic migrants.

    1. typical daily express/mail rethoric with typical naive thinking

      1. Spanner1960 4 Dec 2011, 8:51am

        Please explain to the rest of us what the advantages are of blowing £45m a day in the middle of a world recession to a bunch of people that are taking over our country by stealth whilst at the same time watching their own financial infrastructure collapse?

        This is not some knee-jerk reaction, I have been anti-EU for years, and this is the result. Oh, and please don’t give me that crap about free trade; Norway is not in the EU and they have one of the highest standards of living in the world.

        1. GingerlyColors 4 Dec 2011, 6:37pm

          And Norway has one of the best gay rights records in the world including marriage. Maybe we should get into bed with them!

        2. Dude, read on Norway’s status. Norway adopts 80%+ of the regulations the UK needs to adopt, it has to pay for EU expansion and feed the EU budget with money while getting no say on EU policy whatsoever. The UK should have a choice in leaving or staying in the EU, but a Norway-like status is the worse of both worlds (it’s a switch from a reluctant member to a colony of sorts).

          1. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 10:15am

            Exactly which is where we need to be. Keep them at arms length but just within ie go back to what it was meant to be originally.

  8. Croatias recent record shows gay rights are not at the forefront of their agenda. No rights for Croatias LGBTs, then No Entry for Croatia ! Simple.

  9. I’ve long been concerned about gays in Croatia. Zagreb is more tolerant and has had Pride without incident for a few years, but sadly I wasn’t surprised to learn about what happened in Split this year. Split has such a queer aura about it, but is so intolerant. It’s my least favorite aspect of one of my favorite places in the world.

  10. Jock S. Trap 18 Dec 2011, 10:13am

    Good to see Europe pushing this as a major value. It is important and one they need to remind some already within the union too.

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