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George Michael “slowly improving” from pneumonia

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  1. alicia forster 25 Nov 2011, 4:29pm

    i would like to wish George Michael a speedy recovery, health comes first so i hope he takes it easy and takes as much time as he needs,your fans will still be here for you.Icant afford a ticket to the tour shows but have been a loyal fan from the start,love to George x from alicia in derbyx

  2. sorrys its such a long article but I thought it important- hope he pulls through but ive a sense of impending doom………………
    George Michael’s condition worsened overnight say doctors
    Doctors treating singer George Michael on the 13th floor of the Vienna AKH general hospital say his condition has worsened overnight.

    He was hospitalised on Monday after a doctor was called to his suite at the Hotel imperial in Vienna’s posh first district and diagnosed breathing difficulties.

    He was taken by ambulance to the city’s top Rudolfiner private hospital in the 19th district of the city, where a decision was taken to move him to the main general hospital – the AKH.

    The hospital refused to say why the star was moved but it is believed it was decided that the singer’s condition was so acute that it would be better if he was moved to the AKH – the biggest in Europe and where many of the continent’s top medical experts are based because of the advanced facilities it offers for research as well as treatment.

    The hospital has two skyscrapers, identified for navigating around the huge complex as the red tower and the green tower. He is currently in intensive care on the 13th floor of the red tower as a result of heart problems believed to be caused by the shortage of oxygen caused by his pneumonia.

    On Thursday afternoon he was fitted into a special full-body bed designed to keep all the pressure off his lungs and to help them to function – so far without any sign of improvement.

    Head doctor from the nearby Otto Wagner Hospital, Norbert Vetter, said that the reason a person with a lung problem was being treated in the cardiac unit probably lay in the fact that if there was a lung problem – and not enough oxygen being taken into the body – then that could affect the heart especially if the heart had already been damaged in some way. He added in the worst case the heart could cease to function.

    Meanwhile Austrian paper Kurier linked the star’s condition with an HIV infection, pointing out that although the star has consistently denied suffering from HIV it was a known symptom that the condition led to a weakened immune system.

    The paper said: “The constant rumours of a possible HIV infection are not going away. In 1993 his partner Anselmo Feleppa died from AIDS. The British singer has always denied that he is HIV positive.

    “But a poor immune system is an indicator of an HIV infection. He has already had to cancel a performance a month ago because of a virus infection. The deciding factor on whether a person gets a lung infection is often the state of their immune system. Patients with a poor immune system whatever the reason is for that have a higher risk of a lung infection.”

    AKH spokeswoman Karin Fehringer said: “We have no comment to make on this matter at the request of the patient.” But a hospital insider confirmed to Central European News that the singer’s condition had worsened. He said: “I have not seen him myself but cardiac specialists and internists are treating him round the clock.” Internists specialise in treating adults with multi-system disease problems in hospitals.

    A spokesman for his management team would only confirm his condition remained “bad”.

    1. Staircase2 25 Nov 2011, 7:55pm

      This is pure conjecture pretending to be fact, Ive asked Pink News to remove in on the basis that its the very thing which the Austrian paper you quote is basing their own misinformed nonsense on (and which you are then going onto quote yourself!)

      1. Im asbig a fan as the next person and hope it is a load of rubbish but for the paper to publish it it may have some truth and I feel that other gay fans should have all the information
        What gives you the right to feel you can censor another person and how do you know its misinformed nonsence Im assuming you are neither an Austrian doctor or have examined George yourself so YOU shouldnt jump to conclusions and pass on your view that its Misinformed nonsence
        Lets hope he is on the mend he has lots of fans myself included but you need to get off your high horse and hope for the best

      2. Stephe Rather than bitching lets just hope he gets better

      3. Didnt know you were a doctor Stephe you need to get a life who made you head spokesman have you examined him? then you know the same as the rest of us

        1. Staircase2 1 Dec 2011, 3:27pm

          This isnt bitching – what Adam’s saying is (by definition)
          Its not about ‘censorship’ you doughnut its called ‘not creating a media hoo-hah over pure conjecture’

          Its IS pure conjecture – and you ARE laying it out as if its fact – and you dont know that.

          In this situation it is better to avoid speculation – thats not ‘censorship’ its common sense.
          Anything less than that is just proof of you loving the sound of your own voice to the exclusion of the hurt that voice causes other people.

          1. Staircase2 1 Dec 2011, 3:28pm

            oops – I meant ‘what David is saying’

        2. Staircase2 1 Dec 2011, 3:29pm

          And as for ‘Adam’ – you clearly dont know me nearly as well as you pretend to then do you….
          Why don’t you READ what I said as opposed to pretending you know me well enough to know ‘why’ I said it?

  3. I hope he makes a full and speedy recovery.

    Keeping my fingers crossed for you, George.

  4. Staircase2 25 Nov 2011, 7:55pm

    Bless you, George,
    hope you get well soon x
    God Bless x

  5. jamestoronto 25 Nov 2011, 9:58pm

    Hoping for a full and speedy recovery George.

  6. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 25 Nov 2011, 10:46pm

    I know I will be voted down into oblivion for this but..

    I don’t know why so many people like this thoroughly unwholesome character so much..

    I read on here that he had another viral infection a couple or so months ago too..

    It doesn’t seem usual to get multiple viruses in such a short time.. It really does come across as though he’s *Acquired* some sort of *Immuno Deficiency Syndrome*~~

    The thought of it chills me to the bone.. But how could he do the things he has done for so long now…
    I mean.. letting any old random stranger use him like that, and you just know he has been doing everything in about as hardcore a manner as it gets.. Using drugs and alcohol to let himself go wild without thinking about safety at all..

    You can definitely tell he’s that sort of person…

    He makes me cringe tbh~ But at the same time, I hope I am wrong in my thinking about this… The thought of sex diseases gives me a terrible feeling in my gut~~~

    1. It is undeniable that George Michael is responsible for the state of his health. He has conducted his life in a reckless and irresponsible manner. If this has resulted in him becoming HIV positive, and now developing an AIDS-related illness, it is a tragedy and he deserves our compassion. His request for the Hospital Spokesman to not comment on queries regarding a possible HIV-related infection indicates the obvious. I hope he uses his remaining life to work against the prejudice that is faced by those living with HIV, because in his deliberate silence, he has undoubtedly contributed to it.

    2. that sort of person eh? People who judge other based on the “superior” morals usually have extreme views about other people. i imagine you are racsist sexist homophobic misogonistic a pretty nasty piece of work to put it simply

      1. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 12:58pm

        Don’t be like that, I’m none of those things!

        And I wasn’t making any kind of moral judgement. I don’t see sexual activities as ‘immoral’ at all.

        But he is wreckless and dangerous. He does wild things like the drug driving et al. He hooks up with dirty strangers in public toilets and god knows where else.

        All the dumb dangerous things he has done leads me to make the judgement that he receives unprotected anal sex from the randoms he finds.

        That’s was the only kind of judgement i make here, and it isn’t a moral issue.

        1. are you for real?
          You judgeing people is bad making assumptions is bad calling people dirty strangers is dehumanising.

          You have a superior attitude and it stinks let he is without sin bitch

          1. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 1:12pm

            But it’s still all true though. Call a spade a spade~

            He is free to do whatever he wants anyway.. It’s his funeral~

          2. So in your world a woman who wears a short skirt is asking for it

          3. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 3:14pm

            More silliness~

            When a woman wears a short skirt and gets attacked, it’s down to another human choosing to do bad things to her.

            When a man lets multiple strangers ejaculate up his backside, and gets infected with HIV, you can’t blame the virus..

            The two things are not analogous~

          4. how do you know what sexual activities took place? It’s More negative assumptions cause George Michael does not live up to your standards. you’re like Bree without the charisma

          5. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 6:26pm

            I don’t know for sure naturally. That was my best guess based on what we know of the guy.

            The whole point of my original post was to make guesses.

          6. And what do you think your ‘guesses’ achieve?

        2. Spanner1960 27 Nov 2011, 3:00am

          James! “So in your world a woman who wears a short skirt is asking for it”

          No more than a guy sticking his head in a lion’s mouth is an idiot.
          Basically, it’s a calculated risk, but you can’t stop lions doing what comes naturally.

  7. Get well soon, George.

  8. @Elliott – You’re perpetuating prejudice by inferring that his POSSIBLE HIV infection could be the result of ‘reckless and irresponsible’ behaviour – an assumption that doesn’t apply to any other sexually acquired disease.
    Not everyone that becomes HIV positive does so because they’re a ‘barebacking slut’ and yet this is what EVERYONE who is diagnosed with the infection has to face.
    The fact of the matter is that if you’re sexually active then you’re at risk of contracting HIV

    1. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 8:08am

      But you can only get HIV if you get infected blood or semen into your own blood stream. That is fairly easy to avoid.

      It’s mainly just when you get torn up inside and then give it a coat of infected material~

      There aren’t many ways to manage that. One in particular comes to mind~

  9. @PeterS:

    You can’t ever possibly know for sure how anyone became infected – could been a condom splitting, oral sex, rape etc – so stop oversimplifying the issue. Your attitude isn’t much different to the moral majority of the 80s, who wanted us all to believe that AIDS was an inevitable ‘consequence of the depraved homosexual lifestyle’.

    You could well find yourself infected with HIV one day and then you too will have to face the very same prejudice you’re now perpetuating.

    1. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 1:07pm

      No way.. To get HIV from giving oral sex, you would have to have an open wound in the mouth where infected semen could enter. To get it from receiving oral sex, you would need blood from an open wound in the mouth to contact an open wound on the penis… It’s a theoretical possibility, but not statistically likely.

      But ye, condom splitting during anal intercourse would do it of course.. But I bet George never bothers using one to start with. I don’t know it, but it’s my guess from everything we know about him!

      And don’t be silly about the ‘depraved homosexual lifestyle’ bit.. I am homosexual myself! But am definitely not depraved. That george guy clearly is though~

      And that isn’t a ‘moral’ judgement at all.. He is just dirty, and I find him embarrassing because he gets us all tarred with the same filthy brush.

      1. You are presuming he has engaged in bb sex

        You are presuming that he has HIV

        You are presuming that if he is infected with HIV that this was the result of bb sex

        He may not have HIV

        If he does, that is the business of his, his clinicians and those he chooses to inform … no one elses …

        If he does then he may have contracted it in numerous ways that may not be linked to unprotected sex …

        I concede if he has engaged in unprotected sex this is the most likely (but not only) route of transmission that could be considered …

        Nonetheless, his health status in terms of exact diagnosis is none of our business … and even if the speculation is true – then its further speculation as to the route of transmission …

        Get well soon George …

        1. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 3:23pm

          THANK YOU Stu… That’s exactly all I was trying to say, thanks for summarising! (:

          Although I would add that he makes gay men look bad, and also that his HIV status is also probably the business of those he engages in sexual acts with..

          Not that he necessarily cares about that of course~

          1. He is just dirty, and I find him embarrassing because he gets us all tarred with the same filthy brush.

            So one gay man speaks for all of us eh? You sir are a bigot

          2. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 5:45pm

            No you silly person. I find it embarrassing because straight people in mainstream society take what they hear about the odd gay person, and apply it to all gays.

            Other people do that, not me.. And I find it embarrassing when I want to be viewed just like all my straight friends who pick one partner and stick with them.

            You’re just trying to upset me now with remarks like that~ :(

          3. You need to sort your head out. What people think of me is none of my business. My friends rate me and thats all that matters. Only an ignorant bigoted fool would assume all gay people are the same and they cam go to hell

          4. So by your reasoning then Peter, any gay an who goes into hospital with pneumonia has HIV – this is how things get misunderstood and fear and stigma are perpetuated……you are no fan of the guy so why is it important for you to even comment on his illness, unless you have a hidden agenda!

          5. @Peter

            I get where you are coming from in terms of wanting to demonstrate that some gay men are monogamous, committed and shattering stereotypes that exist about gay men.

            I think your method of doing this is unfortunate and badly chosen, particularly given that George Michael is very unwell currently. You clearly agree you are speculating.

            I also get annoyed at people stereotyping gay men. Reinforcing those stereotypes by stating because George has pneumonia he must have HIV and have contracted it through unprotected promiscuous sex isnt helpful in combating those stereotypes (in my opinion).

            That said, I dont think you are necessarily bigoted and I can see a strange logic path that could apply to what you say – I dont think your argument is right or helpful but I can understand why you might say it.

          6. Spanner1960 27 Nov 2011, 3:02am

            I go with Peter on this one. James is doing his usual knee-jerk (or is that just plain jerk) reaction.

  10. Seems like Keith has gone

    Thanks PN

    1. @James!

      I hope he is …

      Out of interest, which of his comments made you laugh or despair the most (that you can recall) …

      1. Lets not dwell on such negativity

        1. Spanner1960 27 Nov 2011, 3:02am

          James, you are a cnut.

  11. Peter S:

    But as I’ve said, you personally cannot know how someone became infected so stop assuming that everyone with HIV was some sort of ‘reckless’ bug chaser Calling someone ‘dirty’ just because you don’t like how they might conduct themselves IS highly judgemental however you slice it.

    And it’s because of attitudes like this that people fear getting tested and disclosing their positive status – both of which we know are contributing factors in the continued spread of the disease.

    Shame on you.

    1. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 1:40pm

      Oh come off it.. When did I talk about ‘everyone with HIV’??

      I was clearly only talking about one individual case, and made justifiable points about that particular case.

      You’re just struggling to deny anything that I *have* actually said~ I don’t believe I said anything wrong about the reckless George Michael..

      1. And the prize for PN idiot of the day goes to Peter S.

        1. he a right caaaanut I think this song is about him

          1. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 5:51pm

            HAHA, Oh man.. That was cute and funny, but I’m not a bad guy at all.. really~~~

            I’ve probably given a wrong impression of myself to you.. But I am a nice person though.

            I think you would like me if we met (:

          2. Judgemental attitude is quite unattractive the man is ill and you slag him off. Can you see why i don’t rate you?

          3. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 7:36pm

            But I wasn’t slagging him off as such. I just don’t particularly think much of his conduct is all, and would warn others against copying him.

            And no I can’t really see why you think that’s bad of me really~~~

          4. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 7:38pm

            Oh and I really do hope that he doesn’t have HIV/AIDS! I hope he makes a full recovery!

            I wouldn’t wish that on anyone ever.. Just so you know.

      2. Staircase2 1 Dec 2011, 3:36pm

        You clearly have a problem – if you havent got anything good to say then why bother saying anything?
        Ive read what you have been writing – and its misinformed, half-baked nonsense on SOOO many different levels.

        Go get some information eh and stop playing speculative tittle-tattle with other people’s health information.

        To be honest Pink News is to blame for allowing the huge amount of scurrilous disinformation posts on this subject. It does nothing but attract the very same bloody idiots who post such bigoted idiocy on every other subject.

        Shame on the lot of them!
        And shame on Pink News for not moderating these threads properly to start with….

    2. @ Peter S Assumptions assumptions without any confirmed facts about the situation and having read your postings Peter S you certainly like to take the very highest moral highground, and then on top of that add your obvious predudice about HIV and people living with HIV.

      Many people get pneumonia and the immune function can be affectred by things other than HIV. If someone is unwell regardless of the condition surely they deserve some empathy and compassion, and not to be the subject of idle gossip – but I guess you are speculation about HIV, so in that case in your mind people are depraved, dirty, reckless and irresponsible.

      With World Aids Day just around the corner it seems to me more important than ever to dispel these unhelpful myths about HIV and HIV positive people!

      1. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 6:10pm

        My word would be ‘guess’. I made guesses about his situation. Based on what we do know of him. He’s just awful isn’t he. I mean, come on~

        And that may come across as ‘moral’ judgement.. But it isn’t at all~~~
        I don’t even think in moral terms when it comes to sex~ I’m not saying it’s immoral to have unprotected sex or any other moral stuff you’re thinking I’m saying.

        I do think it is a bit immoral to refuse the HIV test whilst still going out and doing whatever with whoever though… But then again, it’s probably his random partners faults for doing the same as him.

        And I’m also not talking about everyone with HIV, whom by and large I have a lot of sympathy for.. I was only talking about George Michael and those that do the dangerous things he so obviously does.

        I don’t think it’s either unhelpful or a myth to talk about how the reckless, unsafe sex lifestyles are very bad.. Quite the opposite in fact!

        1. Peter S you have been very selective in your choice of words and adding your own spin on my comments. You are not guessing but are making wild assumptions that are coloured by your obvious prejudice – which as another commentator has stated does nothing to reduce the stigma associated with HIV.

          It seems to me you are just trying to discredit George Michael and add to make unhelpful comments about HIV.

          1. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 7:40pm

            I don’t even know what prejudice you are talking about~.

            You got me all wrong, honest. I didn’t mean to do what you’re saying~

          2. @ Peter S Perhaps it is best for you not to make any comment, as clearly both myself and other commentators have got you all wrong…….

            I believe you know precisely how you intend your comments to be interpreted so don’t act the innocent!

          3. @Peter

            What was your intention?

            I’m trying to understand what you are saying – because as I see it there are 3 options:
            a) You have badly chosen your words and have not thought of the implications of your words which may make many of us perceive a message you dont intend (But as many of us perceive it …)
            b) You genuinely seek to discredit George Michael and attack him and portray a moral judgement on your perception of his lifestyle because you feel he damages gay men through his perpetuation of a stereotype
            c) You seek to undermine gay people but try to disguise it by appearing to be genuinely remorseful for moral judgements you claim you did not intend

            I want to believe you have been misunderstood. Please explain what you mean. I think your timing is not great especially if you have a genuine message.

          4. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 27 Nov 2011, 10:54am

            ‘a)’ was probably closest. I am speculating that George Michael and others have rampant, unclean lifestyles. And that that causes problems for other gay people.

            If straight men live like that, they get branded as wild men. If gay men do it, then that’s just the way they are~

            I wish society would put an expectation on gay people to find a partner for life, just like society does with straight people.

            I hate that we as a group can be so disgusting like going to toilets and places for random hook ups. It’s just dirty and unclean and causes diseases and problems.. both healthwise and societally.

            And then it seems there are so many other gay people who come to almost defend that sort of lifestyle.. I hate that :(

            It just makes me dispair~~

          5. @Peter

            I don’t know you, so I have to take for granted what you state your motivation is, and accept at face value that you state you seek to try and articulate your preference of gay people committing to monogamous relationships. That in itself is not a bad thing (although clearly it is a personal moral decision to make) but I do think both your timing and choice of language are, at best, unfortunate.

            There is a cynicism in me that queries whether you are being entirely honest (or honest with yourself) about your motivation …

          6. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 27 Nov 2011, 4:22pm

            Yes you got me exactly right there.
            No other motivations..
            I don’t even know what other motivations there might be~

  12. Peter S:

    You said above that you believe that George Michael has unprotected sex with ‘dirty strangers’ in toilets. How do you know the sex is unprotected, and how do you know the strangers are ‘dirty’?

    You don’t.

    But this is a stereotype of how HIV is acquired and that you’re glibly repeating it is extremely unhelpful and further marginalises everyone with HIV, whether you choose to acknowledge that or not.

    1. yep hes a massive cahhnnnt

    2. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 26 Nov 2011, 7:45pm

      I guessed that the sex is unprotected because he does such crazy reckless things in his life.

      And the strangers are dirty because they go to public toilets or fields/woods to meet people they know nothing about and do sex stuff together 0_o How is that not dirty??

      And it isn’t just a stereotype about getting HIV from having unprotected anal sex.. It is by far the easiest way of getting it.

      And I’m not saying anything about all the people who have the disease, it is about how stupidly dangerous some people can be.. Those are the ones I’m talking about..

  13. @Peter S:

    You’re still speculating about someone you’ve never met and you sound extremely ignorant.

    Some straight people go dogging and then post their exploits on Xtube. Big Deal. It doesn’t make me think any less of straight people as a whole. So why do you care so much about someone you’ve never met going cruising for sex? If your straight mates then assume that you also have public sex with strangers, ‘dirty’ or otherwise then, frankly, you need to get some new friends.

    We don’t know if George Michael is HIV positive and we don’t know if he has unprotected sex, so stop being inflammatory and keep your ill informed opinions to yourself.

    1. Spanner1960 27 Nov 2011, 3:06am

      Oh dear oh dear, straw man argument , str8 people blah. blah. dogging. blah.
      Give it a fcking rest.

      Str8 people don’t generally fck each other up the arse without a condom in public places, that’s the difference.
      If they did, the statistics would demonstrate it.

      1. @Spanner1960

        The point being that it is speculation whether George has engaged in unprotected sex …

        Its unhelpful and damaging speculation at that …

        As it is speculative then it has little if any value

      2. So you’re claiming that George Micheal has unprotected sex with in public places, are you? Where is your evidence for this? And are you, by extension, assuming that ALL gay people with HIV have contracted it through public barebacking?

        That sounds like a pretty weak argument to me and I doubt you’d find anyone who works in HIV services that would agree with you.

        1. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 27 Nov 2011, 11:04am

          I claim that George Michael does all that sortt of thing, yes. It’s my speculation about him based on everything he has done.

          I seem to recall he even once said that ‘cruising’ for sex is an important part of being gay.. I remember really wanting to smack him one for that :/

          How many straight people do you know who do or say such things~~? He’s a wild man, like a wild animal.

          And no I’m not assuming anything about ‘all gay people with HIV’.. I am literally only talking about the ones with a taste for the unhealthy unsavory lifestyles. Which, I think you’ll find, is probably most of them to be honest..

          When I am trying to find a partner, I talk to them for weeks first.. I find out what they’re about, what they want in life. How do they feel about love, sex and relationships, all sorts of things like that. I’m looking for someone who I can love and want to protect and take care of and treat like a prince, just like straight people feel about their partners….

        2. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 27 Nov 2011, 11:06am

          And then there’s the wild gays.. who I feel so outnumbered by sometimes.. Who only care to get off randomly, any how they can manage.. And that’ll do them~

          Then mainstream society gets wind of it, and they can’t help but take it as validation that that is how gay people are.. just as they suspected~

          Why can’t we just be normal~~~~~~ >_<'

          1. Peter S. I don’t know you and I hope I never do. You are more to be pitied than laughed at. Thank God the Gay scene/ community is not made up of people like you. Take your self inflicted inferiority complex elsewhere, I for one will take and defend George and his ‘kind’ to have the sex life of their choosing, we fought hard for that right.

          2. ‘We’? You observe that non-gay people assume the worst of all gay men because of a few notorious examples and then do the same yourself. Does that not strike you as misguided?

            Incidentally, we/they are normal. Normal men, not characters from Hollywood romances.

        3. Spanner1960 28 Nov 2011, 11:20am

          Actually, I am. It was a well known fact he used to hang around in the local cottage on the A38 years before it was even common knowledge he was gay.

          It may not be in hard print, and you may accuse the “gay community” of malicious gossip, but I heard it from a number of sources, and there’s no smoke without fire. When he finally got nicked in LA, most of us just went “Oh, well there’s a surprise. Not.”

          1. You really are damaged goods I pray you’re single

      3. Staircase2 1 Dec 2011, 3:42pm

        @spanner
        this is (predictably) complete bollocks….
        There’s a large group of you lot on here filling your time with endless negative diatribes about other people’s situations.

        Why dont you find some way to fulfil your own life instead of emptying out other people’s in an effort to get them to understand the emptiness of yours?

        (harsh but well needed I think – this level of bigoted bollocks has been allowed to continue for far too long unchecked)

    2. Staircase2 1 Dec 2011, 3:38pm

      Well said Slammer!

  14. Peter S:

    Your posts increasingly reveal an awful lot about you feel about yourself and I would suggest you seek professional help in order that you are able to overcome your issues.

    That would be a far more productive use of your time and energy than sitting in judgement on someone you’ve never met.

    1. Peter S. (formerly 'FengLong') 27 Nov 2011, 1:55pm

      Ok you win.

      I will try to fight my feelings that acquiring and spreading so much disease is a bad thing and just be happy and glad to have people around that are willing to do that. Thanks be to you, cruisers.

      And maybe I’ll look in to seeing a therapist to help make me more like them, and less of a faithful partner (eew, faithfulness *barf*).

      Thanks guys for helping me through my issues.

      1. @Peter

        I have no problem at all in you seeking to identify and sustain a long term monogamous relationship … there is a lot to be supported in that idea …

        Where I do find your attitude concerning and unhelpful is your linkage of “disease” to non-monogamous relationships, your apparent perception/suggestion that someone who is gay and not in a monogamous relationship having sex is likely to engage in risky sexual behaviour and the inflammatory choice of language.

        Heterosexuals are as promiscuous as gay people. It is a false societal stereotype that portrays gay men as much more likely to be both promiscuous and risky in their sexual behaviour. Some esteemed academic and medical research has evidenced this.

        The language you choose to describe your view about cruising leading to HIV infection etc is akin to that used by Christian extremists and homophobes. It may be an unfortunate choice of language, but it doesnt help the battle.

        Speculation does not change behaviour …

      2. … nor does inflammatory language. Education and support may but not through postulating and preaching about behaviour (particularly where there is significant speculations that may be totally unture and thus more offensive) does not.

        1. peter s explain to me why (in heterosexual world) there are thousands of prostitutes equally same amount of brothels, single mothers, children in care, rapist, love rats, doggers etc, how that relate to ur idea of heterosexual world of monogamous relationships

          1. Nice

            Are you comparing “prostitutes” or I prefer sex workers, single mums, people in care to rapsits and fornucators?

            Please tell me I’m wrong

          2. clearly u have serious problem with deduction, i have simply responded to peter s criticism of certain section of gay community, he has claimed that the way that section of gay community behaves creates negative stereotypes that straight people use to portrait all gay people, i have disputed that logic saying that straight people are not as perfect as peter think. when giving examples, i did not compare prostitutes with rapist or with children in care, just use those examples to prove that there is lots wrong with heterosexual world and we don’t use that to create negative stereotypes to describe all heterosexual people as rapist, prostitute users, bad parents etc,.

          3. Kane

            There is noting wrong with sex workers, single mums ot children in care. your comparison stinks

      3. Staircase2 1 Dec 2011, 3:46pm

        @Peter S (formerly FengLong)
        …you clearly know nothing about the issues and even less about yourself.

        That you are using this forum to spout your nonsense is testimony to your own inability to sit comfortably in your own skin (you’re not alone: Pink News comments are FULL of similarly unconscious bigotry – its time for it to stop)

  15. Staircase2 1 Dec 2011, 3:59pm

    Just for the record: can we all please be aware that Pneumonia is an illness which LOTS of people have who arent HIV+ or have AIDS

    This is especially true for people who have recently had a viral condition like a cold or flu and also often true for people who smoke.

    I dont think any of the dirt-mongers on here have any idea what it’s like to go on an extended tour and the strains that would already place on someone’s lungs & vocal cords (as well as their whole physical system).

    To do this and go ahead and then sing thru a cold or flu is stupid (but happens a lot when thousands of people have paid good money for a ticket to see you perform).

    It would take a Doctor to order you to rest to stop you doing this.
    If you carried on after getting over that cold or flu virus before you had properly rested and recouped, the effects of that alone could be very bad on your system. Late nights, hotel air-conditioning, Autumn air and smoking will all exacerbate the original problem.

  16. Staircase2 1 Dec 2011, 4:03pm

    Today, on World AIDS day (1st Dec), should be a day when we can all get educated about the issues surrounding HIV/AIDS (as opposed to the ridiculous scare-mongering rubbish that has been posted on this forum over the past week or so.)

    Keep up the good work all those people who are doing this in the face of the continuing ignorance spouted by morality-pumped individuals hell-bent (sometimes literally) on making sure that everyone else has as fvkced up an experience of life as they themselves do….

  17. There’s lots of HIV stigma on this thread – plese fill out the gay men’s HIV stigma survey at http://www.men2mencollective.com/reducing-stigma/survey/

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