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Liverpool church which “helps people out of homosexuality” linked to “home exorcisms”

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  1. More thick-witted christaliban members who believe in demons and pixies and all that drivel. It boggles my mind that adults taking that bronze age superstitious nonsense seriously. And sadly, when these “exorcisms” take place at home, often it involves violence against the young and the vulnerable, occasionally leading to their death. To read more about the human cost of this vile practice: http://whatstheharm.net/children.html

    1. This reminds me of some cheap american horror movie called “Red State”.
      Synopsis: “Set in Middle America, a group of teens receive an online invitation for sex, though they soon encounter fundamentalists with a much more sinister agenda. ”
      Not a great movie but it does highlight well the extreme nature of some fundamentalist movements. A couple of gay guys get caught in their net as well…

  2. This sounds like someone we just got rid of, what gets me is that I had been quite proud that the exorcisms for sexuality was mostly contained to the bible bashing evangelical type folk in America. I actually find quite upsetting that there are places where this can be done in the UK, I know we have our issues that we are trying to work out but this. Am I more naive than I really thought I was?

    1. I am so tired this has made me actually cry, for some reason this make me feel more revolted and nauseas than all the vile things Keiths has said put together :(

      1. Its horrendous. Sad to see it in Liverpool where there have been positive LGBT stories about in recent days. (Incidentally re the thinly veilled threats to steal/damage the road signs – I have spoken to a someone who works for Merseyside Police and advised them the signs may be under threat and to keep an eye out – she is going to pass on the intelligence!).

        There are several examples of similar “ministries” in London churches. I was once approached by a Christian friend who offered me some prayer support which I politely declined and subsequently our contact seemed to wane …

        These extremist churches and groups are offensive. They are operating in a manner that is prejudiced and rather than “setting free demons”, their actions actually demonise the LGBT communities.

        They undermine those Christians who are supportive of the gay communities and act in an illogical and false.

        Their hatred should be challenged and they should be exposed for being the charlatans that they are.

      2. LOL! You can’t even keep your comments on gay site from disappearing, you useless twat.

      3. Jock S. Trap 16 Nov 2011, 8:28am

        Fake.

    2. jamestoronto 15 Nov 2011, 6:27pm

      These crackpots are everywhere.

      1. Deeside Will 15 Nov 2011, 9:19pm

        Yes, there’s one of these crackpots who frequently makes inane comments on here, named Keith.

    3. There is nothing in the US that is not mirrored in the UK. Keep that in mind. Thank you.

  3. Jock S. Trap 15 Nov 2011, 4:52pm

    Disgraceful… though shocked? not really. It’s just another extreme religion thinking it’s followers that choose their religious lifestyle trump how others are born.

    Shameful, disrespectful and totally discriminating and time for these cruel practises to be put away with laws to prevent such people inflicting hard on others.

  4. They sound like nice people who are unintentionally behaving in a harmful way. The other work they do sounds quite good.

    1. yea nice people whom despite all the studies showing that homosexuality isn’t wrong/can’t be changed/ is perfectly natural and on and on, choose to harm homosexuals because they are “sinners”…. but yea i totally agree. I mean why not? Destroying the self-confidence of hundred of children and families by brainwashing them into believing that homosexuality is wrong and that they are filthy filthy little thing is nothing to worry about. Anyway as long as they help the poor we should overlook this story.

  5. Yes, Jock, disgraceful and shockingly ignorant too. Stupid, inaccurate stereotypes and inane drivel about sexuality. Depressing.

    All I can think is that some of the people in charge in this religion are actually gay themselves and deal with it by vicious homophobia.

    It might be optimistic of me, but I hope at least someone in this church is feeling very embarrassed by this publicity.

    1. Are you talking to yourself again Jock?

      1. Is is not Jock, I know that as fact. Do you think these “nice” people could exercise your paranoias?

        My money would be on medication as the best option for you, but what ever floats your boat….

      2. Jock S. Trap 16 Nov 2011, 8:32am

        Great, just what this site needs…another immature prick…. or is it the same one?

      3. Iris has been commenting on this site for ages and often has different views to Jock. Why would you think they’re the same people.

        1. Because paranoia is the rich and fertile domain of the nutters who think ranting homophobic garbage on a gay site dose any good….

    2. Jock S. Trap 16 Nov 2011, 8:34am

      Indeed Iris.

      It’s seems while we do have good positive campaigns like the ‘It Gets Better’ one equally have religious people (Some not all) who which to cause harm based on their own bigotry. Think they kind of dent their argument about how important life is when they clearly view it so cheapy according to their extremist beliefs.

  6. These cults should be banned. The fact that conversion therapy has been criticised by the British Medical Association, the Royal College of Psychiatry which has said: “There is no sound scientific evidence that sexual orientation can be changed.”
    and the British Association of Counselling and Psychotherapy should be evidence enough just how much damage this can cause.

  7. This merely underlines the fact that religious faith is a mental illness!

    1. Jock S. Trap 16 Nov 2011, 8:36am

      To be fair, I don’t think it’s the faith thats the problem but the extremist people that use it for their own immoral excuses.

  8. It’s about time we had some animal sacrifice to. Just to be on the safe side.

    I do hope these people remember not to eat shellfish, work on Sundays and avoid mixed fabric garments? Oh, I was forgetting, sexuality is their specialist subject. They must spend hours and hours thinking about it?

    1. Don’t forget the sacrifice of blond virgins during that manifestation of evil that sensible people call an eclipse

  9. jamestoronto 15 Nov 2011, 6:31pm

    What utter nonsense. I was waiting for them to described how you wave the magic wand three time say hocus pocus and a handsome prince will appear and carry you off into the sunset. It never fails to amaze me how many weak-minded people are taken in by this magical madness.

  10. The Royal College of Psychiatry has said: “There is no sound scientific evidence that sexual orientation can be changed.”
    *******************

    I happen to agree…. totally.

  11. The truly shocking thing here is that the people who run this church really ought to know better than this. According to the church’s own website, its chairman of trustees and chairman of the senior leadership team is surgeon, and one of the senior pastors is a former GP. Other members of the senior leadership team include a teacher and a retired solicitor. Other members of church staff include an occupational therapist and a trainee counsellor. I wonder whether disciplinary proceedings could be brought against a practising medic who also heads up an organisation promoting views that are condemned by the BMA, RCPsych, and BACP. These are highly educated professional people who owe a duty to the wider public, not just to members of their church, to behave in a way that does not call into question their ability to perform their professional responsibilities.

  12. This promotion of bigoted quackery should be exposed and highlighted as much as possible.

    1. Jock S. Trap 16 Nov 2011, 8:38am

      Definitely. Trouble is would there be enough room for it each and every day?

  13. Didn’t they used to try to “cure” Homosexuality using ECT perhaps it should be tried on these neanderthal pixie worshipers after all isn’t it a more modern form of exorcism

  14. So if you are not an effeminate gay man or a seriously femme lipstick wearing, cleavage flaunting lesbian like me, what is their prognosis?

    Silly gender stereotypes, quack psychology and hatefully applied spiritualism! That is all that is.

  15. I am fed up with these soo called Christians. The work they are doing is really harmfull and has to be stopped.

  16. If they want to whip the demons out of themselves, let them. So long as those involved are adult volunteers who are not in any way emotionally or physically unable to defend themselves, they can whip each other till they sing hallelujia

  17. The “pain” in most gay children’s lives is caused by homophobia.

  18. Sorry to be a bit off topic but did anyone see an advert telling people to give blood at the top of this story?

    Isn’t that a bit stupid.

  19. carrie baker 16 Nov 2011, 12:14am

    These insane therapist are just quakes themselves and i guarantee you if the media and journalistm get under cover on all of these quake fake ministries, and follow up the lives of the men and few women harrassing the gay community because of their own evil occultism, you will find that they all have bad marriages are just been divorced , themselves and a lot of bad evil things are going on in each ones personal lives, like pedaphilia and picking up little boys on the side like ted haggard, guanranntee you, the twisted creeps have to be arrested for emotional and physicall assau;lt of other families which are none of their business, if people are not bother are h;urting other people you dont have the right to even be in their face about anything offencsive , your jealousy and personal occultism is your problem not the people who are not bothering others you are botheiring them , that assault and hate crsimes , they have to be arrested as and their centers shut down for abuses

  20. Tbh listening to her talking about demons kind of shows exactly how psycho she is, lets hope other people see this and realise just how ridiculous religion is.

  21. HelenWilson 16 Nov 2011, 12:23am

    When you look at how they prey on the vulnerable in Liverpool with all this BS its deeply disturbing. They don’t really want to help people, just keep them coming back to them for more spiritual abuse off them.

    I guess it keeps the collection tin full making the congregation beholden to them!

    1. They could be putting their efforts into helping the homeless and assisting people out of poverty but that sort of charitable activity just wouldn’t be theatrical or prurient enough to interest these “religious” savages.

  22. If you think that is bad look at these Christian Fascist, http://onemillionmoms.com/

  23. Religion gone bad, these “Christian” fanatics really have driven themselves insane with their twisted and evil interpretation of scripture.

    There are a few members of this church who need their own oral orifices exorcised of the filthy lies they put about concerning gay people and homosexuality.

    Can Pink News perhaps provide a venue for a regular event where those struggling with homosexuality, in other words Frontline church leaders and other “religious” homophobes, can drop by and be exorcised of their dangerous and demonic anti-gay insanity?

  24. The anti-gay Frontline church is part of the Evangelical Alliance .
    Homosexuality is not an illness so it is nonsense to talk about cures.
    Those falsely claiming and offering bogus and potentially dangerous “cures” for homosexuality need to be prosecuted.
    The law needs to prevent these “religious” hucksters from preying on vulnerable adults and children who may already be experiencing emotional and spiritual distress, attempted exorcism nonsense and other unregulated “treatment” offered by the church would only add to their distress.
    The promotion of these bogus cures encourage general homophobia and demonise gay people, they have already been shown to push some vulnerable persons to take the final desperate measure of suicide.

  25. My personal belief is that anyone who believes in ‘god’ is delusional and is quite likely to suffer from mental illness.

    Having said that people are free to believe whatever they feel like. SO LONG AS THEY DO NOT HARM OTHER PEOPLE.

    Home exorcisms are a form of abuse.

    Anyone caught performing an exorcism on somebody else should be charged with assault.

    1. @dAVID

      Whilst I think your personal belief about the linking of delusional to mental illness is harsh … I do agree entirely with you second paragraph and with one slight niggle agree with the remainder of your comments …

      I believe that exorcism, generally, and the promotion of exorcism are dangerous things and potentially forms of abuse whether conducting or promoting and giving “false” hope. The issue I struggle with is where someone personally seeks exorcism – I accept many (most?) of those cases will be linked to confused thought and peer pressure from some who have arguably similar beliefs, although some may genuinely seek such “a service”. I have to clarify that ANY exorcism performed in relation to homosexuality is at best bizarre and probably a form of exclusionary and psychological abuse and I am completely against “restorative therapy” and the claims of this.

      Thoughts?

  26. Rayne Van-Dunem 16 Nov 2011, 10:26am

    The folks above me can prescribe how the charlatans ought to be broken up, their leaders arrested and their ideology forcibly discredited. But none of that, as forceful and feel-goody as they may seem, can stand to be effective unless the solidarity exists in all public institutions and private venues.

    If GSAs – solidarity alliances between gay and straight students – can help with the improvement of mental well-being among LGBT (open and closeted) students in educational institutions, then such organizations of solidarity should be present on the streets, nonviolently disrupting the services of religious edifices when they preach hatred, interacting rationally with parishioners, passing out material which tell our side of what it means to be LGBT.

    The people who spread anti-gay material act out of ignorance and lack of solidarity. Let them no longer be ignorant. Let them no longer be unaware.

  27. Presumably, this is what Andrea Williams of the Christian Institute describes as part of Frontline’s “excellent work”:

    Joanne Highley, an “ex-lesbian”, is the main American associate of Frontline. (Take a deep breath!).

    youtube.com/watch?v=x0wcL_mYpxw

  28. David Nottingham 16 Nov 2011, 11:27am

    I love this, were it not for the seriousness of this story it would be laughable – like some story out of Vampire Diaries…..I ask you, picking up demonic power from the floor of bars? Exocising orofices? Heavens, they’ll be drowning witches next..

  29. “helps people out of homosexuality”?

  30. A document published on the Liverpool church’s website claimed people became gay as a result of “pain in childhood”.

    WHAT A LOAD OF TRIPE … I HAD A WONDERFUL PAIN-FREE CHILDHOOD!!!! Pain only started when I had to deal with blind irrational hatred and homophobic bigotry masquerading as religion!!!!!

  31. The Christian religion is still in the Dark Ages, exorcism is as crazy as the show they put on.

  32. Janet Lameck 16 Nov 2011, 10:24pm

    The “Devil” is only a manifesation of the Church to blame all things not in strict conformity witht heir silly bigoted rules!

  33. This church can’t help people “out of homosexuality”, but it could more usefully help them out of Liverpool.

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