It’s fair and proper to see that the majority of right-thinking, ‘normal’ everyday folk are appalled by things like this..
My thoughts are with the family of Stuart Walker in this time of loss, the waste of another young man’s life. For every homophobe we have plenty of allies.
My heart goes out to the family, friends and all that knew Stuart Walker at this sad a tragic time. The fact so many turned out shows the level of respect Stuart recieved.
As for the criminal… Lets hope life behind bars means life behind bars. Nothing less will do.
My condolences and sympathies to his family and friends
Very sad and tragic event.
Good to see the upstanding people of Ayrshire coming together both in tribute to Mr Walker and as a stand against the significant crime that was perpetrated
RIP Stuart :’(
Reading about this man’s death is horrific…. what sort of animal beats and then burns someone to death?
Hi, Will. “What sort of animal?” Answer: a creature that has more potential for cruelty than any other creature on this planet – a human being.
Just had some human being attempt to take £600 from my bank account via PayPal this morning. Human evil is everywhere.
We can be wonderful and we can be unbelievably malicious.
I just find it hard to understand how one person can not only kill someone, but do it in such a barbaric way – how disturbed and damaged can a person be?
Then again, look at your pas Skinner and Keith, these nutters are left to exist in society unchecked when they are an obvious huge risk to others, both sexually and physically.
Excellent point, Will. It’s people like Skinner and Keith we have to blame for a lot not just crimes like this but plenty of other criminal behaviour too..
Horrendous way to die…barbaric
Sincere sympathy to Stuart’s family, loved ones and friends.
What better tribute could anyone have than to have so many mourners at your funeral. i hope this helps in some small way to console Stuart’s family, knowing he was held in such high esteem.
He must have been a very special man.
R I P
I feel sympathy for his family who have had to suffer his loss. As has been said the lead up to his death was a horrendous thing and all because he was different.
It is amazing to see so much support in honour of him and his family, and in way a protest against the evil crime perpetrated against Stuart.
Even in this dark event it’s nice to see the light of so many people who care.
Rest well Stuart.
It is good to hear that so many of the people of the town were here to show their love and condolences.
My thoughts are with Stuarts family and friends at this most difficult time. It is so nice to see so many people pay there respects!
It’s just so sad that someone could do such a horrible thing to anyone!
IT JUST SHOWS THAT RELIGION DOES PLAY A PART IN BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER…..EVEN FOR GAY PEOPLE…
More the tragedy of such a terrible event has brought people together, the church can’t really take any credit for this.
Exactly Hamish. Nothing, noone so blind as the religious person that they can’t see this has nothing to do with religion.
Everybody knows the Christians and Muslims preach hate and murder of gays and this is where these people get the idea to bully and kill LGBT people. LGBT people need to demand that the people who preach and hate of LGBT people be arrested and held accountable for the deaths of LGBT people just like the bartender who gives too many drinks to the person who then goes out and runs over a person and kills them. Christian and Muslims leaders need to be arrested for provoking hate crimes when they happen and charged with the crimes their people commit against LGBT people and others they target.
A minority of “Christian” and “Muslim” preachers, who make a quite disproportionate amount of noise … preach hate etc.
Don’t forget we have many allies – especially in this country.
Absolutely … we often have more allies than we expect especially in the church … although they should damn well sit up and take a stand too!
It is funny, I have been around people from various religions and although I don’t immediately say “Hi I am Dafy I am gay” it is not had to deduce, so out of all these people that i Have met, christian and what not I have never really been a victim of homophobia (am just lucky I guess) but online I have been subjected to it a lot more than in my life so though I am not overly keen of organised religion I certainly do not hold that much disdin with.
I think my point is is like the stuff with eastenders, the media shows only a tiny cross section of the religion as a whole when most are for equality or are at least apathetic not reactionary to it.
I agree … My mum is a Christian and I am good friends with lots of her friends from church (some of whom are now more friends of me) … I worked for a community group that included representatives from various churches and the Muslim community for 6 months … I lived at University with 2 Jews … I never found ANY of them to be homophobic (I feared it from a couple – wrongly) …
But, on the net some of the raw and rabid homophobia (and reverse bigotry) is horrendous …
Equally, there are some great people who engage thoughtfully and honestly …
There seems to be a division over the term Christian, on the one hand a Christian (the majority) are those that call themselves that as it is a way of how to live your life in love and tolerance (like Buddhists refuse to call it a religion) and then you have the minority but very vocal that use the religious articles of faith as weapon, it is sad that the minority aspect seems to get the most press but then it sells papers I guess
I would post a relevant comment but only posts from the regulars seem to be kept for longer than a couple of minutes? What happens to all the other comments;-)?
It is ok Dave it is only that we have had one particular individual that was very offensive spouting pure hatred and bile (equating to gays are baby killers as a direct quote and the such like) from what I have seen from myself personally we do not mind people disagreeing with stuff but there is no harm in expressing opinions without resorting to verbal strong arm tactics using methods that are designed as pure hatred. Plus life would be so boring if we all agreed on stuff, a good old debate is good for the blood :)
Its only a couple of regular offensive people who have had their posts removed …
Sometimes, they disappear for ten minutes or so due to some glitches in the software used by PN but they do return (those removed take quite some time to be removed – generally!)
There are some new regulars too … I wasnt a regular until 7 or 8 months back (feels longer!) but am sure you and others will be made welcome (provided your not like those who have been causing some hassle recently! lol)
tee hee I was a regular for the long time of 1 week now I am a poster junkie rofl Before I became really offended one day by one of these not so nice posters I thought this would be a great place to discuss topical stuff then found certain homophobic minority made that feeling of welcome disappear. I had anice chat with the editor came back and ignore them (the not nice ones) and now have a good time with people who like to discuss things affecting us in the news. The majority here are good folk and once you ignore the rogue element of idiots it is safe, welcoming and good fun :) long live PN :)
Great to have your humerous, and intelligent comments.
Its a great place, with certain exceptions …
lol thank you, well you know the saying you cant keep a good queen down lol
I’ve tried, many a time I have tried … but they always seem to jump right back lol
yea… some of my comments disappeared right in front of my nose, then a while later, there they were.
it’s a glitch.
I had that a few times but as you said it is a glitch, also there is a filter for specific words that stops a comment being posted.
Now I wonder which words you have been trying to use …
lol have a guess it involved a stupid analogy I gave to do with the Germans and previous politics, and after one of Berberts rather child like replies I wrote a (what turned out t be a futile) comment and was annoyed at his misspelling this fascist group so in my last sentence after all my careful wording to not sound to derogative or illiterate I demanded “and if you are going to use them as an example it is spelt (insert word here)” and pressed send, and to my horror it totally disappeared, I was gutted rofl
Lol … thought it might have been that conversation …
Yup it was and it really annoyed me, I typed it 3 times before I realised why it happened, I think I woke the flat up with my expletives when realisation dawned roflmao
Oh, boo hoo Keith, all upset because your twisted insane comments are being removed? Ahhhhh, poor little schizophrenic ex-gay, won’t someone PLEASE think of the children and the aids-babies…..
Yep, sad innit? … not!! LOL
“Can your keep your diseased rectum out of this please.”
Why, you don’t. Its foremost on your mind. In fact, it seems to the the ONLY thing on your mind.
Ex-gay didn’t work out 100%, did it?
Gotcha you big fake….
You already know my ‘predicament’ was because of rape. Now proving your comments are not real, your a massive fake all out for attention and nothing more.
Your nothing but a fraud pepa, Keith or whoever you want to call yourself…. Fake!!!!
@Jock S Trap and Will
Thank you for your great responses.
I have contacted PN today to discuss the issue of “Keith” and the implications for PN (if they fail to act) partly in terms of public perception should he be located and charged with any offence for his heinous behaviour on these threads; and seek their support in remedying this blight on PN for once and for all.
I appreciate they have deleted some threads, which appears to have agitated him somewhat – however, he persists and firmer action is needed. I note someone else has reported him to the police. I continue to collate information re Keith, which given his insidious nature may take some time.
His commentary on your contraction of HIV in unforgiveable, Jock
I have been better at not replying to the monster, it does make me feel sick following your suggestion – but nonetheless it seems to work!
I bet his pooing his pants.
And I bet you’re one of those closet cases cowards that likes watching, aren’t you, you little freak?
huh what I miss?
@Rob cute kitty :)
does that make you feel big Stuart? Thing is it just makes you look like a prick.
I reported him to Pink News a few days ago and they said they would look into it that day, he has still been posting! Lets hope this time they block him for good.
hey you where is my mention, I been posting to e-mail PN for the last two days, where’s my scooby snack?
@jock he is a sick arse and though I did not see what he wrote I can only vividly imagine. Though I have no responsibility towards him I apologies for him, his behaviour is unforgivable and the reason I apologies for him is I feel shame that he is a member of human society that is unable to see the pain and hurt he can cause with his words.
I hope I come back as a bunny in my next life if reincarnation is real, they may have short live but they live it to the max (hmmm now that seemed a rather random way to distance myself from his kind lol)
Dear Pink News.
I have reported this Keith fellow to the Police under the following Legislation.
Communications Act 2003 c. 21 Part 2 Chapter 1 -
Offences relating to networks and services – Section 127
127 Improper use of public electronic communications network(1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—
(a) sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or
(b) causes any such message or matter to be so sent.
(2) A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he—
(a) sends by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he knows to be false,
(b) causes such a message to be sent; or
(c) persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.
Unless your company wishes to appear complicit I would suggest doing something about this immediately.
In the eyes of English law this would form an electronic communication per CPS guidance, which also states “Section 127 can be used as an alternative offence to such crimes for example as hate crime (including race, religion, disability, homophobic, sexual orientation, and transphobic crime), hacking offences, cyber bullying, cyber stalking, amongst others … or consider offences under the Malicious Communications Act 1988 such as sending, delivering or transmitting grossly offensive or indecent material … Remember Connolly v DPP 2 AER 1012 where it was ruled “indecent and grossly offensive” can be ordinary English words”.
roflmao I cant stop giggling, in 10 minutes he has lost 20 comments (am tired so I giggle more than usual (which is a lot normally anyway lol))
I think its fantastic …
Hopefully whatever action PN are taking works this time … and hopefully the police action someone mentioned sees some impact too
It is a shame that this had to take place on a comments section where we should be showing respect and compassion for Stuarts family, but I guess that had little meaning to some :(
It is indeed a shame, but I hope that whilst not a comfort – they will get some sense of solidarity and support both from the many who attended Stuarts funeral and from comments made across the media expressing their horror and revulsion at such a horrendous and despicable murder.
I’m still speechless… that anyone should be made to suffer so much pain…
The Police have far better and important things to then to get into the nonsense of someone saying his opinion. Just grow a thicker skin if you don’t like whats being said, don’t read it!
This why homosexuals get bad names, because they are big girls blouses when someone says something, they run and cry homophobia. Its time you all grew up, sticks and stones and all that. Jesus anything would think you were all 5 year olds in a playground.
So straight men don’t get pissed off when you insult them then, then how come I see so many of them fighting on the street because someone said something about there manliness, should I just tell them to “grow a thicker skin”?
Sorry that was at Stuart Browning by the way
Seems the forum is broken again.
Check out the page source and its links.
An opinion stating that someone recently murdered in a truly horrific fashion deserved it due to being gay is not an opinion worth hearing.
And I can assure you the police have an interest in the utterances this sociopath stated.
Indeed, I am making a statement to police tomorrow regarding some issues exposed on these threads
That’s precisely my reaction to seeing your failed exgay comment being deleted.
“This why homosexuals get bad names, because they are big girls blouses when someone says something”
Yeah, how brave of YOU to say so on an anonymous web site…. people like you are almost spineless cretins in the real world. Think its time YOU grew up, rather then behaving like a snivelling dumb brat on a gay site so you get to act big in front of the gays you’d otherwise wouldn’t say boo to.
Don’t make me laugh….
Stuart Browning, why when I read your comments do I always get a strong whiff of bullsh!t too…. oh no it’s only Keith, thats why.
Was about to say the same thing… funny how the homophobic trolls on PN have proliferated since they started deleting Keith’s posts. The guy has more sockpuppets than Jim Henson.
You clearly are such a great guy you don’t know when it is and isn’t appropriate to make those kinds of comments. Bet people love you! Friend of Westborogh Baptist church by any chance? You call people here childish!!!! You don’t even have sufficient social skills to know this is the wrong place to make these comments. Go away sociopath, but I suppose you’ve got nowhere to go because nobody wants to see you. I wonder why!
It is heartening to see so much expression of solidarity from the local people. One hears so many negative stories about provincial small-town Scotland and it is very moving to see such a powerful witness against homophobic violence.
I live in scotland and have lived in small towns/villages and to be honest it is more of a community than the bigger ones, people may disdain you for who you are but if you are a part of that community then you matter to some degree. I am not saying this is what it was like for Stuart but in some ways it is like you may be gay but your our gay, at least that was what it was like in my old village I had more support than I thought lol
agreed Dafy, I lived in the 1980s in Bishop Auckland,county durham – tough mining town. Everyone knew who was gay and , more or less accepted it- Including then local Bishop of Durham, David Jenkins. Community is bigger than sexuality but sometimes harder to access. For Stuart`s, we must keep trying
Great comment! I used to work in Bishop Auckland. As a fellow north easterner until I started working out of Bishop, I thought it would be a difficult place to be gay. When I worked there (as a paramedic – so regularly out in the community, and seeing the best and worst of humanity) I discovered a great integrated and supportive community where sexuality (by and large) was not an issue …
Where community works well, then its bigger than the sum of the differences that exist …
yeah your basically just a person as far as they are concerned (which we are) and tend to know if you can bake well for the town fete lol “yes so and so is gay but they bake a mean victoria sponge” lol
yup i loved my time there…..what mattered was if you were `canny ` or not. It also helped if you liked a drink..
I think small communities are a very mixed bag, Stu, and I suspect that the job you did would give you a ‘passport’ with a lot of people. A partner and I were virtually hounded out of a village in Co Durham. Admittedly this was 30 yrs ago but then again only a year or two later I lived in a hamlet not far away with another partner and we were regularly invited for New Year drinks etc. However, this wasn’t straightforward either – it was, with few exceptions, a classic case of ‘we all know but it’s not really mentioned’ and at the time I didn’t feel confident enough to challenge it. Ho hum. Things do change, but exceeding slow.
I agree it will vary both from community to community and depend on the individuals involved …
I have to say that I have experienced more homophobia in either urban areas such as Sunderland and Slough than I have in smaller communities such as the Durham Dales or Hungerford when I have worked as a paramedic, rarely was any of it directed towards me as an individual. I would expect some of the situations that I have encountered, by the stressful nature of them, could provoke bigoted comments from those who would usually be more guarded in their comments. Whilst the role does give me a “passport” in some circumstances and people trust the uniform to open up to/respect (sometimes) – the scenarios can raise prejudices from time to time.
Things are improving, even in the 15 years I have worked in public services – I can see some things are better – not all and there is still much to do – but it is improving …
It is very sad…I feel sorry for this guy,Good night Stuart!
RIP : (
One less homosexual.
Mr Browning …
Deeply offensive and inappropriate
My opinions are my own and I am entitled to them.
You are indeed
I am entitled to find them deeply offensive, inappropriate and inhumane and question your integrity, humanity and motives.
I am also entitled to wonder whether you contemplated your responsibility when exercising you freedom of speech and the implications of using such speech, and my thought is you are being deliberately provocative and intend to harm and offend.
That is shameful
I unlike homosexuals, take FULL responsibility for my actions. And I am certainly not afraid to voice my opinions.
With the greatest of respect, I personally as a proud and out gay man take FULL responsibility for my actions – and that includes an awareness to know when voicing my opinion and foisting it on others in an inappropriate arena is not the moral or ethical decision to make. If I exercise my freedom of speech, I can jeopardise the rights of others to a private life, family life, peace etc etc – I choose to demonstrate my responsibility by knowing when to speak out and when to maintain a quiet dignity. You sir, have demonstrated no evidence of understanding what dignity is (given your outbursts on this discussion thread) let alone how to exercise it.
The name changes but the content remains the same Keith, you ain’t falling no-one, you big Fake.
Strange Keith partially disappears after being unhappy with me then a Stuart “Brown”ing appears ….
Not clever, not funny
“I unlike homosexuals, take FULL responsibility for my actions. And I am certainly not afraid to voice my opinions.”
You should try voice those “opinions” in English then.
As for “afraid”, how brave of you to do so anonymously on a gay site – a cowards actions.
Indeed Stu, Indeed!! If he had 2 brains cells I’d be worried… mind, if he had one I’d probably be worried.
Would be good if he had any opinions rather than just say things to seek attention.
You are entitled to an
opinion, however with the expression of any opinion comes an ethical responsibility.
“My opinions are my own and I am entitled to them.”
They’re not opinions, they’re symptoms of a damaged mind.
So, so true!!
Yes, Yes, Keith your want attention. Boo Hoo mummy didn’t give you any. Not surprising really is it.
Wow, Stuart Browning, you made all the effort to come on to a gay website to make that scintillating observation? A few ‘issues’, methinks …
Where is your humanity?
My condolences to the family and friends of Stuart Walker at this difficult time in their lives.
That 1,000 – 9,000 people turned out to show Stuart their respect, and his family their support was an inspiration.
Why? is it so ironic it took such a painful tragedy, respect in his death so lacking for his life, and the lives of othersr that many people to find it in their hearts to show respect for a gay person.
Hopefully from this day forward this has opened minds and changed the hearts of people far beyond Cumnock, to better acceptance and respect of gay people and the diversity in value of all life.
RIP Stuart my thoughts are with your family
All my post’s have been deleted, why??
Its a problem with deleting the offensive stuff, if you have posted after him in the same mini thread then the following comments get lost as well, I had it happen to me and though I think I had some good valid points and worthwhile opinions (in my opinion of course lol) I figure it was the sacrifice for me, PN have and are putting previous comments back on hence the rather strange and broken thread line on this article.
Ah they’ve come back no never mind :)
lol see I am an all powerful, all knowing magi mwhahahaha ;)
All knowing, intelligent and puppy owning … hey you will make a gay man a good husband sometime … lol ;-p
lol I cook and iron too ;)
No, you are a magus. ‘Magi’ is plural.
That explains why all of yours were deleted then.
hmmmm, that woulkd explain why a lot of yours have been deleted then wouldn’t it, dear!! mmm?
Doesn’t the air in this forum smell much sweeter now with the demise of Herr Keith and his evil others.
I’m all for free speech, but free speech comes with responsibilities and sensibilities
and this time he clearly went over the line.
Hopefully now this PN forum can be a haven for reasoned argument and dialogue without the venomous filth we have seen from this character.
I dread to think the mental anguish someone in the process of coming out would have in reading the hatred seen here.
Early days yet. We shall wait and see.
Things have certainly improved somewhat …
The deletion of the foul odour that Keith et al permeated is much welcome
Its good to see people who can debate with vigour, but respecting other peoples views etc … the exercising of responsibility and sensibilities you mention …
I hope PN can build on Keiths exit and return to reasoned argument (including some impassioned debate) …
Hopefully PN recognised they had a responsibility to act
What a difference between these wonderfully supportive townsfolk in Scotland, and the funeral of the murdered gay man Kato in Uganda, where the homophobic pastor and villagers refused to bury him and his friends had to take over. Thank God we live in a relatively civilised country.