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Zambia and Zimbabwe appear to reject gay rights “pressure” on aid

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  1. Fine! then Stop the aid to them – see how long their corrupt, bigoted representatives can hold out for – if this was a race issue we’d be discussing it at the court of HUMAN rights -

  2. The Great Satin 4 Nov 2011, 3:09pm

    Good. The less that is sent direct to governments, the less is likely to end up in the pockets of corrupt officials.

    How about the referral to the International Criminal Court of those who try to implement the genocide of gay people (along with the other types of ethnic cleansing ). Bahati is on the rise, he should be stopped before he becomes another Idi Amin.

  3. There are far more people/countries who need aid than there is money to give them. If these countries don’t want it then move on there are plenty in the queue.

    1. Sister Mary Clarence 4 Nov 2011, 6:23pm

      I absolutely agree. More for the countries who can treat all their peoples with decency.

  4. As many of us said on the discussion thread connected with the Ghanaian president, if they don’t want to achieve basic human rights for their citizens then don’t expect to receive UK development aid.

    Zimbabwe should be particularly concerned as the UK (despite Mugabe) sends significant aid to that nation

    The UK government is morally right to expect countries to uphold fairness for all people, and if the governments who seek our aid wish to receive it then they need to understand that basic values need to be upheld.

    I would remind the Zambian minister of the following clause in the Paris declaration, which all participating nations (including the UK and Zambia) signed:

    ” Undertake in our national policies to protect and promote the rights of individuals, in particular those living with or most vulnerable to HIV/AIDS, through the legal and social environment,”

    I would argue that decriminalization of homosexuality is one step that developing nations including Zambia should do to meet

    1. the objectives they were set in the Paris declaration, and that the UK imposing conditions on aid is an effort to ensure that the priorities and spirit of the Paris declaration is adhered to.

      I would like to know when the UK government will respond to these African vitriolic statements and withdraw aid and seek alternative routes of providing support.

      The fact UK govt is supporting Kaldeioscope is a method of supporting LGBT groups in sovereign states.

      Those countries the UK seek to aid have a choice – be humane or lose UK aid.

      I suspect many more countries will follow the UK’s leadership on this issue.

      1. “… if they don’t want to achieve basic human rights for their citizens then don’t expect to receive UK development aid.”

        Agreed.

        That is the crux of the matter, achieving basic human rights for their citizens.

  5. “Their Culture”, what rubbish!!, most of these countries only have anti-gay laws because they were left over from colonial rule, nothing to do with ‘their culture’

    1. And colonial rule encouraged missionaries to go and patronize and brain wash the naive

    2. Sister Mary Clarence 4 Nov 2011, 6:30pm

      Amy, their cultural heritage has been lost though, and maybe we should do more to help them find it. Seemingly no one there remembers the centuries when gay people were treated as equal and accepted. Its like it never happened. The missionaries came and sold Africa a brave new world and all the tolerance and understanding that went before was completely wiped out and forgotten across the continent.

      I’m all for taking the specific aid away that has been threatened but we need to do more to remind Africa and Africans both at home and abroad about the source of their current beliefs. Africa imported homophobia and we need to remind them of that.

  6. David Skinner 4 Nov 2011, 4:42pm

    JohnD, but that is exactly the poin;t it is not a race issue. There is no connection between being black and having the emotional and psychological condition called homophilia . A black person can neither make himself more or less black apart from breeding it in or out through marriage. Whereas the gay condition can become more fixed until it is almost incurable, or diminished until it leaves just the smallest trace like an unhealthy vapeur. Gays are incapable of producing babies on their own; they require either sperm or an egg. A desert island populated by just two men, or two women would die in one generation. However a desert island populated with gays and straights would not survive either for AIDS , HIV and all the the other STIs would wipe it out.

    1. You homophobic asshole!

    2. What are you jibbering on about? Get some help. You have serious issues.

    3. Nawal Husnoo 4 Nov 2011, 5:28pm

      Idiot. Educate yourself before posting factually wrong comments.

      [Gay Agenda, 2:8] (http://www.gayagendabook.com/gayagenda.html#2_8)

    4. David Skinner, you have no idea of how really really stupid you appear, because if you did you wouldn’t post such crap! Grow up for goodness sake!

    5. Couldn’t keep away could you skinner. How would you like a fat throbbing cock up your sweaty ass?

      1. whoa, fat and throbbing count me in. Geesh it’s been a while

    6. You disgust me!

      1. No! You, Robbie, you disgust me!!! Filthy homosexual!!

        1. Jock S. Trap 5 Nov 2011, 3:58pm

          Oh Keith, what a boring creep you really are.

        2. Jock S. Trap 5 Nov 2011, 3:59pm

          Well I guess if you will insist on focusing on sex not the person you have only yourself to blame.

      2. Yes Yes Yes, Gaddafi – you really disgust me …

        Whereas, Robbie seems very charming and thoughtful compared to you (and a few others!)

    7. Jock S. Trap 5 Nov 2011, 3:57pm

      Wow Skinner, deluded and harmful… no doubt you blame Christianity for that ridiculous attitude. Shame the decent in Christianity disagree and dismiss your extremism. Blood of the innocent is on your hands. Here’s hoping you get the ‘punishment’ you so deserve in your ‘afterlife’! You can hardly believe you will be rewarded.

  7. Funding has to stop. By giving aid to these countries we are the equivalent of someone who lends money to a violent alcoholic relative in full knowledge it will be spent on booze for the drunkard to go home and beat their wife.

  8. One day, these African nations will be as ashamed of their homophobia as the ex colonial powers are of slavery and racism.

    1. No Kyle, we will never be ashamed! Instead, you guys will be ashamed. It is surprising that you aren’t ashamed already. I don’t think that the ex colonial masters are ashamed of slavery and racism. Racism still exists (an Italian made racist comments to a Ghanaian in Ghana!) and there is neocolonialism (that is what Cameron is doing). Africa will never be ashamed for standing against homosexuality! Robert Mugabe said homosexuals are lower than animals and I am beginning to agree….

      1. “Robert Mugabe said homosexuals are lower than animals and I am beginning to agree….”

        So what? Who cares what a mentally deficient muppet like you thinks. Run along, child, adults are talking.

      2. Jock S. Trap 5 Nov 2011, 4:00pm

        Lordy ain’t you a bore. No arguement, no relevence to the subject… what a surprise.

      3. Jock S. Trap 5 Nov 2011, 4:06pm

        ” Africa will never be ashamed for standing against homosexuality!”
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        Well with that attitude against humanity you can hardly be surprised if more humane cultures take the lead over people like you to improve humanity for all. Your so immature, so ignorant and that will ultimately be what kills you hopefully making way for the better in your society to take over and introduce a progressive society not a harmful oppressed one.
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        Human Rights involve us all no matter where we are. No human deserves a death sentence from dispicable regimes like yours. Innocent people should be able to live in peace and live in acceptance for all they contribute to society. people like you should crawl bad to the caves you came from and let the innocent women, men and children reign for the better.
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        Some Africans are Gay.. Do Get Over It Dear!! They deserve your respect just as you demand it!

    1. Some very moving (and some very annoying) clips here about the issues in Africa:

      http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/01/03/world/africa/20100103_UGANDAGAY_FEATURE.html

      In the article, Harry, posted the Ugandan ethics ministers comment “Homosexuals can forget about human rights”, to me demonstrates all that there is to despise and seek to overcome in some African states. For an ETHICS minister to say such words is indefensible and disgusting.

  9. Fine. Go without.

  10. You guys need help! I am glad that Zambia and Zimbabwe have joined Ghana and Uganda in the fight against the homosexual madness! Human rights ma foot! I have said it and I will keep saying it- even the dogs in my village don’t engage in your nasty lifestyle!

    1. Lloyd Copper 5 Nov 2011, 12:43am

      WARNING: Do not feed troll. Trolls only survive on attention.

      1. Agreed, this muppet was back here before under the guise of “Rick the Original” – this comments are usually a mash of the word “dog”, “imperial”, and “filthy”, with a heavy dose of titillation with regards to anal sex and alternates between pretending his English is bad, to utterly amazing.

        What ever this travesty calls himself, he doesn’t seem to have the intelligence to change his behaviours with each persona.

        1. @Will

          I thought it was Rich, too

          Deserves little in terms of discussion – much like Keith (the scatman) troll

          I am trying (not always succeeding) to not feed the troll any longer

          1. soapbubblequeen 6 Nov 2011, 7:19pm

            I have trouble not feeding him, but I’m getting better.

    2. Jock S. Trap 5 Nov 2011, 4:07pm

      Clearly the biggest killer in these countries is complete ignorance.

  11. You know what is also a deeply entrenched, inhumane practice rooted in cultural and religious tradition in many African countries?

    Female Genital Mutilation.

    Yet a combination of TIRELESS international support for women’s advocates on the ground, education and safe-houses is helping to turn the tide around on this barbaric practice. Eve Ensler (The Vagina Monologues) has bravely ventured to several African countries to help empower women there and relates some moving turn-around stories here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhG1Bgbsj2w

    There was no need for heavy-handed threats to stop aid. Just consistent education at the VILLAGE LEVEL, schools, safehouses, medical aid for those at risk.

    You mean to tell me, this approach has not even crossed the mind of gay advocates in the UK? A weak threat of removing aid, which obviously is hardly persuasive to the African leaders, is the best you can do? Really?

    And you expect it to compete against hatemongering American Evangelicals pandering to the existing machismo culture with chauvenistic Christian ideals PLUS also building schools, providing medical aid and more?

    C’mon Brits! You can be a whole lot more innovative than this!

    1. Dr. R Guthrie 5 Nov 2011, 2:02am

      Here Here……….

  12. Cambodia Guesthouse 5 Nov 2011, 2:38am

    Great… Let’s stop the aid then… In these hard economic times, I can think of far more deserving people/places where the cash could be spent… rather than financing homophobic dictators and nutters..

  13. GingerlyColors 5 Nov 2011, 6:47am

    So the majority of the people in those countries do not want homosexuality. Well we are not asking them to watch while we have sex! But they should let gays have the right to their privacy.
    Well 90% of the British population are opposed to giving those countries aid but the government still sends £12 billion of our hard earned money to those corrupt regimes.

  14. Nicole Hatch 5 Nov 2011, 1:33pm

    Excellent. They will quickly change their tune when the money dries up. I can bet money on that. Stop funding these corrupt and cruel political regimes. It’s our greatest tool to effect change.

    1. Considering the majority of people spreading the HIV virus in parts of Africa are heterosexual males (some of whom still seem to think that raping virgin girls will ‘cure’ them) then I think your post is extremely foolish. Get your head out of your ass and take a look around you. Oh, and the people least affected by HIV/AIDS are lesbians – at least until they are subjected to ‘curative’ rape by men who are as ignorant as you seem to be.

  15. Jock S. Trap 5 Nov 2011, 2:11pm

    Notice how these governments have been quick to jump on this notion when it’s all about aid being channelled away from these corrupt governments and finding ways to give to the people in need directly.
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    Do these governments even know or accept what aid given is actually supposed to be for?
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    Thinking redirecting aid to the people might might actually help the people who it’s actually for.

  16. soapbubblequeen 6 Nov 2011, 7:07pm

    DFiD should make it zero percent. If an African Government publicly supports the torture and murder of its own people on the grounds of their sexuality, I don’t see why any of my tax should go to help them in any way whatsoever. Let their own filthy-rich, corrupt hypocritical devout ‘Christian’ leaders feed their own people then. Why should we have to?

  17. Mary Flying Eagle 6 Nov 2011, 9:10pm

    So long as these Bigot countries, receive funding, Goverments that Fund them Share blame, for Unequal rights/FREEDOM of Lesbian/gays. Stop all funding, Let them explain to the world, their notion that protecting their Shameful Bigot actions, the torture,killing of their lesbian/gay,sisters and brothers, stand above aid to their countries. FUND OTHER COUNTRIES, that are open hearted to equal, care, protection compassion and liberty for all.

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