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US Catholics retract article that said homosexuality could be “explained by the devil”

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  1. “The Church opposes, as I do too, all unjust discrimination and the violence against persons that unjust discrimination inspires.”

    I guess that leaves room for “just disrimination”, then, Mr Avila? Perhaps of the type just voted by the Michigan Senate?

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 4 Nov 2011, 11:37am

      Michigan is a backwater redneck hick trailer trash riddled dump.

      1. The Great Satin 4 Nov 2011, 3:17pm

        As opposed to the rest of America?

    2. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 4 Nov 2011, 4:21pm

      Yeah zefrog, I read a post on Towleroad last night about Matt’s Safe School Law being ripped apart by the repulsicans in the speech by Sen Gretchen Whitmer. A truly awesome signal that american democracy is firmly stuck up yahweh’s crack. Her disappointment in the video at the actions of the repulsican amendments is utterly commendable. I feel for Matt Epling’s parents…

  2. Christine Beckett 4 Nov 2011, 11:31am

    It’s worth pointing out that this isn’t the moment of “enlightment” that some might be hoping for.

    The real error here (for catholic theology, that is) was making the fundamental point that being gay was decided BEFORE BIRTH.

    It did not take long for catholic theologians to see that, if they admitted that sexual orientation was part of a person’s make-up before birth, then what they were in fact agreeing to was the one thing they could never accept; that people are BORN gay.

    For them, that would then move the argument onto HOW exactly “Satan” reaches into the soul of the unborn child and makes them gay, and how could it be stopped.

    And as those are impossible questions for catholicism to answer, the shit was gonna hit the fan.

    So in reality there have been no changes, Nohing to see here. Move along, please.


  3. The RC church has opposed just about any legal antidiscrimination measure anywhere in the world, so it clearly doesn’t consider much discrimination to be unjust. The brazenness can be extraordinary. When the legislation allowing same-sex marriage in Spain was presented for the King’s signature, the clergy tried to persuade him (a constitutional monarch, not Philip II!!) not to sign it. What need democracy and equality under the law when invisible spirits tell you infallible truth?

  4. Alastair J, Mainland 4 Nov 2011, 11:56am

    Correction, the only souls damaged here are the ones who are brainwashed and daft enough to believe they are right. I’m not religious but aren’t the teachings of Jesus ( the chap who chose twelve male followers) supposed to be delivered with love and compassion, not gossip, spite and hatred.

  5. The Roman Catholic Church is dying from the top down. Eighty percent of the priests in the US are 65 or older. They can no longer guilt trip gay men and women into the convents and monasteries and so they are lashing out.
    The best way to deal with this religious bigotry is to celebrate ourselves, know ourselves, support each other and be patient. This too shall pass.

    1. it seems the Church is now the one – who doth protesteth too mucheth lol

    2. David chukwuka 6 Nov 2011, 5:46am

      Dats basically d truth, in Nigeria its even worse cos people burn candles n fast when they discover thier child is gay

  6. Honestly, blaming the devil is like blaming the pixies or the unicorns – superstitious claptrap. And as is always the case when the RCC says something, my immediate response is – Remember the child abuse, witness intimidation, pay offs and conspiracy and the vast and obscene wealth of the Vatican as its followers struggle daily with poverty and deprivation. The RCC is corrupt and everything they say can be dismissed as dogmatic drivel.

    1. I agree, this does reek of mindless moronic medievalism.

    2. DonHarrison 4 Nov 2011, 9:19pm

      Sadly the RC Church is digging its own grave

      1. Sadly? I would argue that the passing of this organised crime syndicate will only make the world a better place.

      2. Dr. R Guthrie 4 Nov 2011, 11:19pm


        Happily the RC Church is digging its own grave, I would say.

  7. Ive always found that most christian people are mostly not

  8. “Scientific evidence of how same-sex attraction most likely may be created provides a credible basis for a spiritual explanation that indicts the devil.”

    …what am I reading?

    1. Quite, I hadn’t noticed that – scientific evidence of the devil! Love it!

  9. Ha ha hah hahahhhaaaaahhhaaaaha!!!
    Who said those backward Catholics can’t make you laugh sometimes – besides it was the church who developed the notion of the Devil – Satan – Lucifer to fend off the growing doubts of the masses when their so called benevelant god let them die horribly or caused their crops to fail – So the church explained – It wasn’t god it was the Devil.
    They just make it up as they go along –
    SO thanks Satan – Iam a proud gay man who loves that I have the capacity to love my fellow man – in a good way

    Hail Satan

  10. banging my head against the wall. retracting a statement to replace it with a more offensive one? if we are going off scientific evidence im sticking with my story that the devil does not exist. if im going off the teachings of christ im sticking with my story that god created us all and loves us eternally. that and the ‘beware of false profits’ thing.

    1. “prophets”…. it’s the prophets that are false.

      The “false profits” are those that helped destroy the economy of Greece.

  11. The Great Satin 4 Nov 2011, 3:21pm

    Demonising gay people, literally, is all the rage in religious circles, as religion reverts more and more to medievalism.

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 4 Nov 2011, 3:31pm

      I sometimes wonder which century I am in.

      Even today, in the House of Lords, some bishop was warbling on about witches and casting out demons.

      1. If I may – I think we are all living in the century where Religion as the stablizers to evolving will finally comes to an end – Maybe even Italy can sort out it’s world debt by having a vatican ‘yard sale’ –

      2. “Even today, in the House of Lords, some bishop was warbling on about witches and casting out demons.”

        I cannot think of anything more insulting to the educated scientific mind.

  12. The Great Satin 4 Nov 2011, 3:24pm

    Oh did anyone see that Andrea whatsit’s letter in the Times today? A hilarious playing-the-victim on marriage equality, with lavish use of the slippery slope fallacy.

  13. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 4 Nov 2011, 3:46pm

    Ha ha! ;-) What a load of 1st century bo££ocks – no wonder it was retracted! The devil seems to be a catch-hold, get-of-jail-free card for practicing roman catholes that they draw on when a reasonable conclusion is outwith their intelligence. Devils are mentioned, like, 3 times in the old testament and over 100 times in the new… so you can be sure it’s an assinine plot device for the pauline doctrine that was developed after Nicaea… The original bogeyman! They really should know better than to employ it, because it comes over as being unjustly thick, and totally irrelevant.

  14. jamestoronto 4 Nov 2011, 3:52pm

    I had to read this article several times to make sure I was getting it right. I am sure I speak for a lot when I say I never in my wildest dreams thought in the 21st century I would ever read the words “scientific evidence ….[of]….the devil” in the same article let alone the same sentence. The religious wackos south of the border are going right off the deep end. The writer was a lawyer so presumably “educated” (One has to ask WHERE??) How do they come up with this tripe? It puts a whole new meaning to “the devil made me do it.” What a pile of “intellectual garbage” – that will probably be picked up soon by some other idiot somewhere else as truth. Spare me!!

    1. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 4 Nov 2011, 4:31pm

      Yahweh tells them to come up with this tripe… I remember reading in the God Delusion (I think) about a scientific experiment concerned with praying for several ill people in hospital, which was paid-for by some church institution, and none of the patients outcomes were out of the norm expected by the hospital doctors – no evidence at all that praying did anything other that waste air and intelligence. The church, needless to say, didn’t report the outcome of that experiment! Gotta laugh!

      1. The experiment was done by the Templeton Foundation, a dodgy xtian organisation that misrepresents science to push a religious agenda. Not the result they were hoping for eh?

  15. “Scientific evidence of how same-sex attraction most likely may be created provides a credible basis for a spiritual explanation that indicts the devil.”

    I’m sorry, but LOL! Whoever wrote that line need to see if they have symptoms of schizophrenia.

    1. I agree the Roman Catholic Church does appear very unwell, and one wonders when will it sort out its own entrenched mindlessness, rather than projecting its deranged excesses onto LGBT people.

  16. Say bye bye, Mr. Avila! But don’t worry, I’m sure NOM has a position waiting for you.

    Bishops’ Aide Daniel Avila Resigns Over Column Suggesting Homosexuality Caused by Biological Interference of Satan

    Read more:

  17. Look behind most bigotry and there is religion driving it forward. As for the church opposing unjust discrimination -whatever than is supposed to mean – , which organisations are the most discriminating? Step forward all the religions of the World.

  18. Actually if one reads the bible,Satan isn’t the devil ( it simply means adversary, if you are against God then you are a Satan ) at all and neither is Lucifer, as he is still allowed into Heaven and stand before the throne of God.

    Christians should read Job and then they might realise Lucifer only goes around tempting people with God’s permission.

    He cannot act on his own and every action he does act out is with God’s permission.

    But as always most Christians are far too lazy and don’t read scripture for themselves and just sit and listen to some interpretation of an evangelist who is plainly psychotic or and idiot.

    In mainstream Judaism there is no concept of a devil like in mainstream Christianity or Islam. I can’t even be bothered t type any more.

  19. “The teaching of Sacred Scripture and of the Catechism of the Catholic Church make it clear that all persons are created in the image and likeness of God and have inviolable dignity.” Apart from women, gay people and those children that priests feel like raping.

  20. GingerlyColors 5 Nov 2011, 6:58am

    So who’s going to explain the industrial scale child abuse commited by Catholic Priests over recent years. The Devil? I would like to see him made to sign the Sex Offenders Register!

  21. Catholics are the biggest part of Satan’s plan!

  22. Jock S. Trap 5 Nov 2011, 4:08pm

    Funny how these people always find ways to project themselves by blaming all others isn’t it.

  23. Horny little Devil indeed.

  24. What?

    First the LGBT community was blamed for Hurricane Katrina!!! Now the goalposts have been moved, the LGBT community has been found not guilty of causing Katrina, so lets blame someone else!

    So, the devil is responsible for my attraction to guys then?

    Just like the church is responsible for the most reprehensible crimes going; molestation of children.

  25. Catholics aren’t the problem. The Catholic Church is the problem, but most Catholics think the pope’s views on homosexuality are outdated and simply wrong. Studies have shown time and time again that the majority of Catholics in western Europe (except Italy), North and South America, support gay marriage, which explains why Argentina, Spain, Portugal, Belgium and Canada (with a strong Catholic plurality and a Catholic prime minister which introduced same-sex legislation) have all legalized gay marriage. Brazil and other Latin American countries are next.

    The real problem here are the Protestants, most of whom are evangical Christians. Studies show they oppose gay marriage and other gay rights. For example, the majority of American Hispanic Catholics support gay marriage compared to a minority of Hispanic evangelical Christians.

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