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MPs call for ‘humane’ gay asylum policy

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  1. HelenWilson 2 Nov 2011, 3:52pm

    Hmmm Labour had 13 years to put one in place so what happened Chris Bryant?

    That’s why I left Labour and joined the Greens….Labour did not work hard enough for LGB&T equality.

    1. Spanner1960 2 Nov 2011, 4:25pm

      I’m not condoning labour’s actions, and I am certainly no supporter of theirs, but frankly LGBT rights are pretty low down my list of priorities when it comes to party politics, and I suspect it is low on most parties agendas as well.

      1. @Spanner1960

        I kind of get where you are coming from …

        There are other issues such as the economy, policing, the NHS etc etc that impact on LGBT people equally as non LGBT people which are crucial …

        That said there are LGBT political issues which have some significant importance – now I am also not a Labour supporter, but they did some great work in LGBT rights eg equalisation of age of consent …

        The coalition are making ground on some other LGBT issues and I am grateful they are … the immigration issue may be able to be dealt with easily as a statutory instrument or ministerial guidance …

        I feel equal marriage is a relative priority … but not surpassing the economy and policing … but certainly above many other issues …

        1. Spanner1960 2 Nov 2011, 5:02pm

          Stu: “I am also not a Labour supporter, but they did some great work in LGBT rights”
          Yeah, and in the meantime they managed to completely fck the country.
          So we are now struggling with massive deficits, overburdened public authorities, businesses collapsing and inflation going through the roof, but it’s OK now because 16yo gay boys are allowed to shag…

          Get a bit of perspective.

          1. @Spanner1960

            To be fair though, their actions on LGBT rights made no difference to the economy …

            I completely accept that their late economic record was appalling (some the governments fault – and some through events that no government fore saw).

            That does not prevent my having perspective with their LGBT policies that they introduced, AND recognising that they could have gone further.

            I do not believe that their improving LGBT rights is responsible for the economic mess this country is in …

            If you are saying that issues of human rights (or LGBT rights in particular) should be put on hold until there is no national priority that needs dealing with, then we will never get equality (but no doubt you will continue demanding it).

            I give qualified praise to the past Labour government on some of their LGBT record, and on a few other things. How the economy was when they left power is shockingly bad.

          2. Spanner1960 3 Nov 2011, 7:18am

            @Stu: My argument has nothing to do with a partie’s LGBT policies affecting other things. My point is that one votes for a party based on its manifesto, which can be an entire list of things.

            As far as I personally am concerned, whether a party has a good LGBT record or not isn’t really a deciding factor on whether I vote for them or not.There are far more important factors that need to be addressed, and people that vote primarily for LGBT rights are deluding themselves because parties such as Labour, although supporting gay rights, have managed to wreck this country due to other insane and unworkable policies.

        2. @Spanner1960

          Nor am I saying that I select the party or candidate that I vote for on LGBT policy reasons. It does have an impact on my decision but it is neither the primary or sole consideration in my decision making.

          There are many other issues (some of which I detail above) that I take into consideration …

          That said, I could not vote for a party I perceived as homophobic in their agenda.

          Also, whilst there is signifcant reason to be concerned about Labours performance whilst in power, that does not stop me recognising some of the good they did in both LGBT policies and other policies.

          1. Spanner1960 3 Nov 2011, 9:14pm

            No modern political party is openly homophobic; they have too much to lose. At worst they will just ignore us.

      2. concerned resident of E3 2 Nov 2011, 11:39pm

        I agree witn you spanner 1960. It is also worth stressing that Labour delivered wave after wave of enormous gay law reforms that have benefited us immensely. Castigating them because the ‘missed a bit’ is a kid of specious position.

  2. Gaga Flash Mob Response Unit 2 Nov 2011, 4:14pm

    Theresa is in the wrong job, sorry to say.

    1. After the BS about the cat I concur

  3. Spanner1960 2 Nov 2011, 4:28pm

    Much that I understand the situation some foreign LGBT people are in, There are also many trying to use it as an excuse to economically migrate.

    We have to be very careful of who we let in and their reasons why. I am sick to death of this country being the bolt-hole of every waif and stray that manages to reach our borders. There is no more room at the inn.

  4. Well Labour were forced by the European Court of Human Rights for the Military ban and section 28

  5. And Chris Bryant worked for the then Minister for Equalities, Harriet Harman MP, so if he cared so much maybe he should have had a word with her

  6. I know from personal experience your Immigration and Asylum process is totally screwed up, because there was a time when my partner and I actually considered and even started the process to get asylum in the UK. We are from the Caribbean and we have been subjected to abuse for YEARS. The last straw however was when I had to single-handedly fight off a man who was assaulting my partner in the middle of a crowded supermarket while people (including the security guard) just stood and WATCHED. And there is no recourse here as homosexuality is illegal. We got treats. We lived in fear and simply had enough. We came to the UK. We told our story which became part of a Lloyd Newson DV8 Production called To Be Straight With You. I even sang at Pride in Brighton in 2006. But after meeting other gay asylum seekers in unbelievably WORSE situations than my own and seeing the daunting, inhumane process of even getting your first hearing, I decided to return to the Caribbean and tough it out. And only blessings have come since then. I got stronger, louder, braver in the process. I helped others do so. And the circle of tolerance widened just a little bit more. But what really KILLED me when I was in England, I mean REALLY flabbergasted me. Over 200 Afghanistanis were granted asylum just like that. A KNOWN hatemongering Imam from Pakistan I think, was allowed to keep his UK residence and now, you have this extremist Muslim problem over there that is just growing.
    So there you have it, an, English speaking, educated, peaceable, law-abiding lesbian professional couple together for over a decade and have no intention (nor biological means) to breed like rabbits and actually LOVE your secular society and want to contribute to it- NO! GET OUT! Extremist Muslims who hate Britain and have wives making children like yeast multiplying in a sugar syrup…COME ON IN! AND STAY! Hilarious!

    It follows no logic whatsoever!

  7. BTW, the “go to” site for global LGBT asylum news is: LGBT Asylum News at
    http://madikazemi.blogspot.com

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