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Man arrested after burns assault at Leicester gay pub

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  1. This is yet another shocking event! I hope the injured men recover quickly. With all the things that have been happening recently, I really am beginning to wonder if the UK is nowhere near as tolerant of gay people as I once thought. If anything, things seem to be getting worse.

    1. de Villiers 25 Oct 2011, 1:42pm

      This is an appalling act. I doubt, however, if things are getting worse. It is more likely that homophobic violence and acts went unreported and that we learn of these incidents because society is more open and ready to acknowledge the gay elements to these stories.

      1. There is certainly an element of truth in that de Villiers

        Homophobic issues (if this is one) were underreported so we can expect an increase in numbers of reported incidents as the police (and other agencies) build confidence …

        Whilst increased reporting has lots of positive impacts including allowing police (and the wider community) being aware of the true level of hate crime, an ability to more smartly allocate resources and engage in preventative measures etc etc

        There is also a negative impact in that increased reporting can cause the community to perceive that there is an increase in crime, which is not necessarily the case

    2. Calm down Gerry no one has mentioned homophobia.

    3. There is absolutely no evidence at the moment that this was a homophobic incident – until more is known we certainly should avoid leaping to conclusions.

      1. @pheonix

        With respect the police do not need evidence (sufficient to charge) to begin an investigation – merely reasonable suspicion, and I would argue given the locus of this offence that homophobia is a reasonable suspicion

  2. Another shocking event. Fortunately, still not a common occurance …

    I am more positive about the statements for Leicestershire police as opposed to those by Strathclyde. In this instance, there is no effort to try and instill any views whether or not this crime was linked to the orientation of the victims … There is a clear openness to the investigation from the commentary and a willingness to receive information … Things sorely lacking from the response by Strathclyde to Stuart Watsons murder …

    Wish the guys a full and speedy recovery from both the physical and psychological injuries they suffer and the police every success in identifying and prosecuting those responsible

  3. Rubber Ducky 25 Oct 2011, 1:53pm

    is there some kind of theme going on with criminals latley, seems most crimes or accidents that i notice being reported in the media in general latley has to do with fire or explosives :S mabie thats just me but regardles its a shame these things happen at all but at least they’re quite rare

    1. Spanner1960 25 Oct 2011, 1:59pm

      There have been two. I hardly call that a “theme”.

      1. I don’t know, but here’s another one:

        Steven Iorio, Heidelberg, Pennsylvania Man, Set On Fire By ‘Friends’ For Being Gay

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/steven-iorio-heidelberg-p_n_1024147.html

      2. Rubber Ducky 25 Oct 2011, 5:22pm

        i belive you may not have read what i put, i said in the media in general the media does exist outside this site silly, more importantly i said criminals also so im refering not just to this kind of crime but im just repeating myself and if you didnt read it the first time i dont hold much faith you will the second time ;) but if you do then then good.

  4. Another incident involving gay men where it seems that people are keen to jump to conclusions that there was a homophobic motive. Please get out of your victim mentality and wait to see what the investigation turns up. Homophobia is only only possible explanation of many.

    1. Indeed it is only one explanation …

      A reasonable line of enquiry given that the incident occurred in a gay bar – I would propose …

      It is equally important that whilst we do not jump to conclusions and ensure we are not presumptious, that we also seek to confront potential homophobia and ensure the police are open to the possibility of homophobic motive … that includes maintaining a public stance on such issues …

  5. Rainbow and Dove is my local and I know both the victims quite well. This is a shocking, horrifying incident and I hope the sick bastard who did this gets a harsh punishment – Whether the attack was motivated by homophobia or not!

  6. May still be ‘rare’ but its still happening far too often.

    But then again with no one really reminding society of gay rights , or at least everyday non political ones, then things like this will only continue to rise.

    American might overall by less gay friendly but the gays they have give a damn and show face. What do us Brits do, moan about it and then ‘show face’ by holding a yearly pride in a couple of towns and cities but then only in a boxed off location in the town or city. Face it the gay community lost its rights the day it got them since we stopped caring. Sure Peter Tatchell can write to the gov ect and help give us more rights, but its the every day equality at risk not the political equality.

    A new gay rights movement is needed.

  7. May still be ‘rare’ but its still happening far too often.

    But then again with no one really reminding society of gay rights , or at least everyday non political ones, then things like this will only continue to rise.

    American might overall by less gay friendly but the gays they have give a damn and show face. What do us Brits do, moan about it and then ‘show face’ by holding a yearly pride in a couple of towns and cities but then only in a boxed off location in the town or city. Face it the gay community lost its rights the day it got them since we stopped caring. Sure Peter Tatchell can write to the gov ect and help give us more rights, but its the every day equality at risk not the political equality.

    A new gay rights movement is needed. And to all those claiming it might not be hate crime, wake the hell up it happened in a gay venue, did a gay man or woman do this? Perhaps but its more than likely a bunch of larger lout hetro chavs but do enjoy playing make believe.

  8. Another Hannah 25 Oct 2011, 7:54pm

    Response here, and although I think its important not to jump to conclusions I note that recently some crimes that were very obviously homophobic were not regarded as such (Michael Causer?) and think that actually at the moment that is the real danger, not jumping to conclusions. Too many crimes are being whitewashed to hide this countrys disgraceful reality, and nothing seems to be being done.

  9. Without wanting to prejudice things at all, I think I can say that the Leicestershire police are dealing with this as a ‘hate crime’, sorry state of affairs in the 21st century that such things are still occurring. In a time when police can get a lot of stick, I have every faith in the police service up here though, I get the feeling that they are taking this very seriously as a homophobic attack.

    1. Good to hear they are treating it as a hate crime …

      If their investigations later prove it not to be motivated in a hate related way then they will not charge the hate element – but at least they are treating it will the appropriate level of concern

      1. Well the police are not dealing with it as a hate crime ….

        I hope they have evidence that proves it is not … as there is already significant distrust in LGBT communities and the police need to build that support (not by sacrificing investigative integrity) by demonstrating they consider hate crime as a reasonable suspicion in some circumstances …

  10. These are the people who are behind the harm being done to so many gays, http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/09/24/us-pope-germany-idUKTRE78K2ME20110924

  11. Jock S. Trap 13 Nov 2011, 11:01am

    Shocking. Such hate in this world it’s no wonder we have problems and it’s mostly all down to religion.

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