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  1. How very sad and wicked.

    Regardless of whatever the motive may have been for such a callous, evil and appalling crime – this shows again the tue depths of depravity that society can sink to. Whether Stuart Walker was murdered due to his sexuality or for any other reason, the nature of the murder demonstrates there was some “hatred” involved.

    Its crucial that Strathclyde Police deal with this crime both expeditiously and with the greatest of sensitivities. Its difficult to maintain sensitivity whilst being rigorous in the early days of a major investigation – but I hope they will have the wisdom to be able to do so.

    There will be a lot of speculation about this case in the coming hours, days and weeks. Its important that anyone knowing anything supports the police – so that the evil person/s who have perpetrated this are brought to justice.

    It is disappointing to see the subdued nature of the reporting on Sky, BBC etc and that the Daily Mail were the ones to break (last …

    1. … night) the possibility that this crime may be homophobically motivated.

      I am currently doing some research into police and LGBT issues and have had a great response from requests for information from the Scottish forces who speak strongly of the need to tackle hate crime and that if a critical incident occurs involving the LGBT communities they will utilise both the Gay Police Association and local lay advisory groups to support them. I hope Strathclyde are doing this and making very careful community impact assessments.

      Lets remember (whether this was homophobic or not) Stuart Walker. RIP

      1. having sort of worked with the police on some LBGT issues. Good luck. What they practice is so different from what they preach

        1. As a gay man who used to be a police officer I know that there are perceptions of it not being good and there are a range of reasons for that.

          Some looking bad at the “bad old days”
          Some poor experiences from individual officers
          Some the criminal justice system has to be assertive and is interpreted (sometimes wrongly) as anti-gay
          Some lack of awareness by individual officers
          Some communication errors

          There is a long way to go before it is perfect, but the service is improving. Nonetheless, that is entirely why I hope Strathclyde are operating with sensitivity whilst still being robust in the inquisitiveness and seeking the truth

          1. ‘Used to be a police officer’, what happened there then Stu?

          2. I changed career after 7 years and became a paramedic … long and complex reasons …

        2. theotherone 24 Oct 2011, 4:26pm

          I’ve had the police refuse to take reports of Homophobic behaviour (including having a knife pulled on me), saying they would only take a report if I gave my ‘real’ name (I being a Transwoman), actually saying that they would refuse to act on reports, refusing to let me see the LGBT Leason Officer when I had turned up for a pre-aranged appointment, refusing to follow up an an allegation I made because of my Gender Identity…

          They say one thing and always do another.

          My sympathies go out to this man’s family.

          1. @theotherone

            The sort of behaviour you describe from the police is unacceptable.

            In my experience, as a police officer, as a victim of crime and as someone currently doing academic research into policing issues – these experiences are both unusual but also highly publicised often …

            That does not make it acceptable.

            I would encourage you to do two things – make a formal complaint to the independent police body (varies which one depending where you are in the UK) and if you experience a crime again, seek support from a third party agency to act as your advocate with the police ….

          2. I agree with Stu, to suggest that the police treated a victim of a hate incident/crime in this was is totally unacceptable.
            In Scotland there is no Independent Police Complaints Complaints Commission but there is an equivalent body. Also you should make a direct complaint to the Force concerned. Alternatively look up Third Party reporting schemes or contact the National Trans Police Association.
            Let us know how you get on.

        3. Jock S. Trap 13 Nov 2011, 9:48am

          I accept that can be some people’s experience but not all. I took the time out to find the local Gay laision officer and was well worth it. Yes you shouldn’t have to but it helps.

    2. concernedresidentE3 24 Oct 2011, 1:04pm

      its headline news in all teh scottish media including BBC Scotland. But we have long gotten used to the fact that media south of the border just do not take news of things that happen north of the border with any of the serious they would if the incident had happened onl a few miles south.

      1. concernedresidentE3 24 Oct 2011, 1:05pm

        I should add: a story like this should be on a parr with Matthew Shephard and I believe it would be if it had occurred south of the border.

        1. HackneysDuchess 24 Oct 2011, 2:56pm

          To be fair it happened early Saturday and probably didn’t hit wires until later that day. BBC and others started yesterday and I even wrote about the similarity to Matthew Shepard in Wyoming late last night.

          Why has everyone labled it a homophobic crime already without evidence?

          1. Clearly some people locally perceive it as homophobic – otherwise the furore would not have started …

          2. Think it was the media that started the furore Stu.

          3. @WTF

            Well, arguably it was the media …

            Although, one could say it was the perpetrators who started it …

            I certainly wouldnt blame the police for the furore … although they could potentially have managed it better (although we have had that debate elsewhere :-))

    3. Stu: I agree with all you wrote. RIP Stuart Walker.

    4. This is what the Christians are doing in Texas, http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/03/04/85107/texas-taliban/ these are Right Wing Christian Terrorist, proof they are getting the personal information of anybody they call a sinner and using it to destroy the lives of people. These Christian Terrorist need to be stopped before they kill or destroy any more people.

    5. Well said, Stu. This level of brutality is horrific, and it should have received greater focus in the national news. Although I hate to make the comparison, if it had been a white, 30-something, mother of 2.2 kids, from a nice borough in London, it would have been the leading story. This crime was clearly a “team effort”, so somebody in that locality will reveal the necessary information.

  2. Lyuba Tereshchenko 24 Oct 2011, 10:48am

    Sounds like someone is copying Matthew Shephard’s murderers. May the primates who did this wicked thing end up in the same way.

    1. the only primates that are this heinous are humans my dear

  3. Cant believe this is UK we are talking about..totally and utterly horrific. And no body noticed this taking place? I dont approve of death penalty but things like this make me question that. RIP Stuart- hope to god we catch the animals that did this and put them away for ever. xx

    1. Personally, having been at the receiving end of some abuse myself it doesn’t surprise me that no-one saw it.
      Homophobic thugs are generally cowards who choose their moment carefully, secluded streets and footpaths in dodgy areas where the chances of being witnessed are minimal and the chances of being reported and prosecuted are even less.
      Only hope phorensics are up to the task, because you can guarantee there won’t be witnesses at the scene of the crime.

      1. theotherone 24 Oct 2011, 4:29pm

        this was Ayrshire. They don’t need to act in private as enough people would agree with their actions.

  4. yes-but if they find the perpetrator- it will be the usual same old defence plea of “well he was coming on to me and I’m not gay” excuse. And the judge as usual will say something like “this was not a murder motivated by homophobia” – and the guy will get about 6 years- and be out in 3 – and then the whole thing will happen again- some other poor innocent murdered- and so it goes on and on and on and on………”SAD

  5. RIP

    The UK is no longer a safe place to be gay. Never live on or near a council estate and never walk down a street after 8pm, buy a car or a bike. In the past 10 years the UK has become quite hostile to us and the casual anti gay attitudes on TV does not help.

    1. I don’t know where you live, but it’s certainly not in the same part of the UK I do.

    2. @James!
      Don’t be silly. Over the last ten years attitudes to gay people have steadily improved in the UK and it is one of the safest countries in the world for gay people to live. I’ve lived almost next to a London Council estate for over a decade and I feel happy walking about at night and have never had any trouble. Don’t jump to conclusions about the motive for this awful murder.

      1. i bet you showed no signs of affection. You can survive next to a London Council Estate buy you can’t hold hands or kiss in public, . I don’t know why we are pretending all is well when there is an average of 4 murders a year.

        1. Four murders a year violent and bigoted minority compared to intolerace from an entire society and actually facing the death penalty for being gay? The UK isn’t perfect but it’s no Iran.

          1. I agree but lets pretend we live in paradise

        2. Er … 4 murders a year are 4 murders too many …

          However lets get realistic …

          4 murders in a population of over 60 million is a rate of 0.0000024% or 0.006 per 100,000 of population

          Given that the figure for murder (regardless of type or motive) is 2.1 per 100,000 and in even peaceful New Zealand is 1.76 per 100,000 – I think this demonstrates that the fear of homophobic murder is significantly different to the reality of the crime

          The fear is made worse by those that perpetuate the fear by making it seem as though the risk is higher than it actually is. Most peoples experience (from personal experience, discussion with friends and in professional contexts) is not that the UK is a dangerous place for LGBT people – it could be better, but its rarely unsafe.

          All that said, we need to persevere and ensure that all hate crimes are reported and diligently investigated.

          1. NB Correction the 2.1 per 100,000 figure is for London for all murders (not UK as a whole)

          2. My mistake i didn’t realise that there were 60m gay people in the UK

          3. Black Hawk Down 24 Oct 2011, 3:42pm

            The latest available figures have the overall UK murder rate at 1.17 per 100000 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#2000s )
            but you need to work out roughly how many gay people there are in the UK.
            If you take the 2005 view that 6% of the UK population is gay, then that means out of a population of 62,435,709 – 3746143 are gay, 4 murders a year equates to a murder rate of 0.1 per 100000 gay people.

            If you go with the 2010 survey by the ONS, which suggests only 1.0% of the population is gay, then that means there are only 624357 gay people in the UK which gives a murder rate of 0.641 per 100000 gay people.

            Still, it’s 4 murders too many

          4. @James!

            Ok, fair enough …

            but even if you adjust the gay murders to reflect only the gay population (which I can see merit of doing – although one could also argue most straight people were not murdered due to their sexuality so why should we not compare against full populations …) then one finds that the level of threat is still significantly below the murder rate in the whole of the UK, the murder rate in London generally and the murder rate in many countries (including those who have a reputation of being safe – such as New Zealand).

          5. Spanner1960 25 Oct 2011, 7:58am

            Blackhawkdown:
            By your statistics, that also indicates that at least a couple of gay people are also murderers…

          6. @Spanner1960

            Its an undenial truth that some gay people have murdered others …

            Its highly likely that someone else who is gay will commit a murder in the future

            So, your point is …?

    3. I think it depends which part of the UK. I feel safe here in Bournemouth, especially around the Triangle and Westbourne area. A friend who visited here recently from Durham commented on how safe it felt walking around at night compared to his area.

      1. It does indeed depend on which part of the UK as to the level of perception of fear of crime …

        However, I went to university in Bournemouth, currently live in Durham and have lived in various parts of London and rarely have I felt particualrly unsafe (or concerned about disclosure of my orientation – including public displays of affection).

        1. Dr Robin Guthrie 24 Oct 2011, 3:15pm

          Well that’s very nice for you.

          Unfortunately not everyone has had the same experiences so do not make light of them.

          1. I think the issue was one of perspective in this string. I don’t sense anyone making light of the issues being discussed especially the loss of the young man. It would though be interesting to hear from anyone who knows the Cumnock Area for direct experience of what it is actually like for Gay folk there.

          2. @David T

            I suspect Dr Robin Guthrie is well aware that I was not making light of anyones experience … I think he has history with my comments and is keen to undermine my commentary at any opportunity (shame such bitterness still exists between LGBT people and we can not respect differences of opinion especially on threads as sensitive and sad as this one).

            For the record, I am not making light of anyones experiences or perceptions – merely trying in these threads to contextualise that the fear of crime is often not comparible to the real prevalence of crime in society either to gay people or otherwise …

            A horrendous crime has occurred, Strathclyde Police have said they have a significant lead – I wish them well.

          3. Spanner1960 25 Oct 2011, 7:39am

            Who is making light of the situation? I think it is more you scaremongering. Whilst these incidents are terrible, (particularly this one), they are comparatively rare.
            Attitudes such as yours only result in more people becoming paranoid and afraid to step out of their homes, not to mention younger people not wanting to ‘come out’ for fear of such apparent reprisals, which in most cases do not exist.

          4. Jock S. Trap 13 Nov 2011, 9:51am

            Scaremongering? Spanner do the words pot and kettle means anything to you?

    4. I and many of my friends live in ex local authority (council) properties in the middle of estates (I myself for 13 years) and we have never had any problems. Not all council estates are sink holes or problem areas.

    5. James! After constantly reading your depressing comments, I reckon someone needs to point out you need some loving. Your extreme cynical desolate view of the world needs some sexual healing. Go and listen to some Marvin Gaye or Al Green instead of Tu Pac. It really isn’t as bad as you think in the UK.

    6. Jock S. Trap 13 Nov 2011, 9:49am

      Wow, thats very bitter.

    7. Jock S. Trap 13 Nov 2011, 10:17am

      Wow, thats very bitter, James!

  6. Those bastards! How could they do this? I hope they rot in Hell. May their screams of pain and terror sing us to sleep at night.

  7. Dr Robin Guthrie 24 Oct 2011, 11:47am

    I see they Daily Hate are running this story, however no comments are allowed.

    Wonder why?

    Are they too scarred that their readership will agree with such barbarism, showing them up as the hate mongers that they are.

    1. I guess they aren’t allowing comments because nobody knows yet if it was indeed a homophobic crime, barbaric and atrocious though it was.

      1. Dr Robin Guthrie 24 Oct 2011, 1:45pm

        Hasn’t stopped them in the past..

        1. I agree, had their fingers burnt though …

    2. @Dr Robin Guthrie

      As much as I dislike the Daily Mail, I suspect they are not allowing comments to prevent allegations they breached sub judice rules on investigations … they have been burned before …

      Furthermore, I would (on this sole occasion) congratulate the Mail for their willingness to cover the possible homophobic motive, unlike the BBC, Guardian, Sky etc – who were all very circumspect …

      1. This is a natural reaction for them. For the Mail crime is one of their core issues, and they have reported instances of homophobic violence in the past. They are not friendly to gay rights, it’s true, but they do not have the tendency to downplay crime-related issues like the Guardian or BBC (who are much more supportive of gay rights as a principle),

    3. Jock S. Trap 13 Nov 2011, 10:18am

      No surprise there then!¬

  8. Disgusting. How depraved can people get? That is pure barbaric torture.

    I can’t believe no-one heard or saw a thing.

  9. Carl- Of course it was homophobic!

    As usual everybody is hedging their bets- but the method and nature of the murder point to no other motive. And – of course- when the perpetrator is hound he will deny it was homophobic- and of course – the police will say that there is “no evidence” that it was homophobic – and of course the judge at the trial will say that it wasnt homophobic !! Why are we willing to go along with this constant denial?

    1. John, The Police don’t know and neither do we. Speculating that it must have been a homophobic attack makes us no better than than the tabloids. It could quite possibly have been a hate crime but until the evidence is examined we cannot say. [10:1 you are right] A lot of people are murdered for reasons other than being gay.

    2. @John

      Firstly, unless we know the circumstances of the crime by either direct invovlement or invovlement in the victims or offender(s) lives then we are simply speculating over motive and reason …

      However, the ACPOS guidance on hate crime (http://www.acpos.police.uk/Documents/Policies/ED_ACPOS_HateCrimeManual_Sept2010.pdf) states that if ANY PERSON perceives a crime to be motivated by reason of hatred then it must be treated as if it is. That does not seem to me to be what Strathclyde Police are doing. They should be stating they will treat this as a possible hate crime until proven otherwise.

      Just because someone is gay does not mean the crime is homophobic, but if anyone thinks that is the case (which people clearly do given media coverage) then the police should treat it as such until they have credible evidence that it is not homophobic.

      Strathclyde Police however, appear to not know a motive as yet (publically at least) and are dampening down the homophobic concerns …

      1. Dr Robin Guthrie 24 Oct 2011, 2:08pm

        All true,

        However as an original native of Ayrshire, it would not surprise me
        in the least if it were a homophobic incident.

        1. I couldn’t agree more! Having also grown up in Ayrshire I am only too familiar with the levels of anti-gay hatred that exists there. Combine that with the poverty, poor education, lack of life aspiration and gang culture that also exists and it was only a matter of time before something like this happened. The particularly barbaric nature in which this man was killed is shocking. I hope they catch whoever did this.

          1. Dave North 24 Oct 2011, 5:21pm

            You and I both know Cumnock is not a place you would go for a cultural exchange or tea and scones.

            Even from my point of view in Irvine it always came across as a bit backward.

      2. @Dr Robin Guthrie et al

        Firstly, I am not saying that this is not a homophobic crime – my gut feeling is that it probably is, although I can’t evidence that other than with circumstantial evidence given locus of offence etc.

        Secondly, I am concerned that the police are downplaying the LGBT potential element to this offence and need to adopt the ACPOS approach to investigating potential hate crimes …

        Finally, I think that we need to maintain an open mind that this murder could be for entirely non hate inspired reasons … whilst having our gut feeling as to what the motivation may have been.

  10. R.I.P Stuart.. I hope those bastards pay for their crime.

  11. Why is it in a police investigation such as this, the word “lifestyle” is always applied when it comes to sexual orientation, yet we never see it when it’s heterosexually related? What’s that about?

    I suspect we’ll see more violent crimes such as this when equality laws are expanded. It happened in Canada when marriage equality was about to be legalised. The more equality we gain, the more it fuels homophobia in those so inclined. What a disgusting, vile crime though, this poor man left alone to die like that. My heart goes out to his family.

    1. jamestoronto 24 Oct 2011, 3:41pm

      Agree with you on the “lifestyle” comment. You’re right you never read about someone killed because of their “straight lifestyle” or someone being murdered by their straight boyfriend/girlfriend.

      I don’t recall any increase or spike in homophobic physical attacks during the legalisation process of equal marriage in Canada. A lot of idiotic rhetoric from the usual sources true but no violence.

    2. I wonder if it is is by a customer where Stuart worked. Seems to me that they knew what they were doing.

      I do agree with Robert. The more we gain in gay rights the more homophobic society is becoming.

      I wish we never went down this path, we were all happier before, regardless of equality and acceptance. Acceptance is what we had when we had our own venues etc.

      R.I.P. Stuart. but I think this incident is the beginning of a new wave of homophobia. So look out and protect for each other when out socialising.

    3. Spanner1960 25 Oct 2011, 7:46am

      ‘Lifestyle’ may not be the best word, but what is the alternative? “Behaviour”?
      However you wish to complain about it, most gay people live and act differently to their straight counterparts, we have different priorities, don’t have families and generally have a higher disposable income. You don’ get a lot of 30yo straight guys out clubbing and pubbing most nights.

  12. Hi mayeof had a disatisfied client, either that or he may have been into being dominated…. strange things happen in the gay world, people have strange things that turn them on…Kristian Digby loved it

    1. Don’t be an idiot (too late). Even if a person enjoys being dominated you can bet your last dollar that doesn’t include being burnt alive. Domination for sexual gratification occurs in both the straight and gay world (and everything in between). Are you homophobic or just a self-loathing gay person? Or both?

    2. what an awful thought on your behalf….no one deserves to die like this….gay or not…..its disgusting

    3. I’m surprised you’re not accusing the police of making it all up, Matthew. Just how IS your newspaper campaign to free that Akita owner who set his dog on that defenceless woman going?

      1. Its going god thanks Iris (Image of old lesbo woman in head with name like that)

        Who knows what the Police are doing dear, I doubt they know themselves, it was drugs or sex or money no doubt.

        Not really fussed, im certainly not going to let it take up much of my freedom of thoughts inline with Article 19.

        1. So we’ll be seeing that guy freed soon, will we? And have you contacted the judge to give him the benefit of your superior legal knowledge yet?

          Grow up. We all feel sorry for you – a ‘straight’ young man taking out his own insecurities on a gay site and writing such obvious lies. Your comments don’t shock – they merely make me pity you even more. What a miserable life you must have. Poor Matthew.

          1. He will not be serving the full sentence put it that way.

            I have a life thats far from miserable, I make a living from my views, opinions and statements, Pink News know this, I have had words with them, when they interfear with my right to express on here.

            Oh and I am not ‘straight’ I am a dirty homosexual. Like all on here.

            I am grown up ( Not as much or as OLD as you Iris)

            Incidentally, this story seems to have dropped of the tv news.. maybe becasue there are more important things to worry about?

          2. You are funny, Matthew. You obviously think that writing ‘old’ in big old capital letters is an insult of some kind. Ooh, I’m quivering – with laughter, of course. You’d be quite amusing if you weren’t so sad. Now do link us to your campaign so anyone reading this can choose to make a donation. Or maybe you’ve already raised enough money from the ‘living’ you make giving your opinion and views, eh? ;)

        2. And by the way – your first ‘comment’ – it’s “may have” not “may of. You need to work harder at school.

    4. Given the content of your comment, and the quality of spelling therein, it is clear that you are an imbecile who is unaware of his feeble mind. To be honest, it would have probably saved the state a lot of money if you had been the victim in the crime.

    5. This only thing worse than this piece of scum is the idiots who reply to him. The red arrow stops him getting a stiffy this is foreplay to him so stop it

      1. I dislike your arrogance and general unpleasantness when reading your comments. But in this case you’re right.

        1. Don’t do me any favours bitch

  13. soapbubblequeen 24 Oct 2011, 3:39pm

    I hope they find these bastards. Shoot them. Six bullets through their thick skulls.

    1. jamestoronto 24 Oct 2011, 3:44pm

      Violence to end violence. Now that’s a novel approach. Why haven’t we thought of that before? Oh! We have and it doesn’t work. Several governments around the world would like to sign your paycheque.

      1. Spanner1960 25 Oct 2011, 8:00am

        Who said it doesnt work?
        They won’t be doing it again, and the likes of me won’t be paying my taxes to keep them in Chez Pentonville.

        1. Short term solution – wipes out some, but instills a desire in others to wreak revenge – we needs a more sophisticated and intelligent response

      2. soapbubblequeen 26 Oct 2011, 10:33am

        I would gladly let them do so James. An eye for an eye. If it was your brother or boyfriend, how would you feel? I wouldn’t ‘turn the other cheek’. I would find them and they would be dead.

  14. soapbubblequeen 24 Oct 2011, 3:53pm

    I hope these bastards are caught and are punished to the utmost extent of the law. In fact, just shoot them dead. Six bullets through their thick skulls.

    1. Spanner1960 25 Oct 2011, 7:53am

      A waste of bullets.
      A rope is sufficient.

  15. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 24 Oct 2011, 4:41pm

    Strathclyde Police (according to Reporting Scotland) said that they found speculation relating a potential homophobic killing as UNHELPFUL. Maybe if Stuart was, as reported, gay, then that would be as good a place to start as any… And given the severity of this attack, is it not outside the realm of possibility that it could’ve had something to do with his sexuality?

    My thoughts and sympathy to Stuart’s friends and family. RIP.

    1. Absolutely

      It certainly should be a distinct line of enquiry to explore, whether or not there had been the speculation in the media regarding the homophobic motivation in the case. One of the first things a senior investigator should be doing is trying to establish as many feasible motives for the murder as possible so that all options are explored. Clearly, with a victim who is gay – there may be the possibility that the crime was hate inspired. Of course, they should explore other options such as debt, broken relationships, arguments, associates etc etc

      I agree the speculation may not be helping the police make their investigation – I wonder how much of this is to do with police being reluctant to pursue a gay related enquiry and how much it is actually interfering with their ability to investigate.

      Another part of the ACPOS manual on hate crimes explains that it is the polices responsibility to manage community fears – not blame the community for those fears …

      1. @Stu – you will probably know more than most how investigations into a murder like this would take place. Could there be a genuine reason that Strathclyde Police are deliberately playing down homophobia as a motive for the murder? For example if they thought that it could harm the investigation, would they downplay homophobia in the media, even if they were actually pursuing this as the main motive?

        1. @Gerry

          Its possible although very unusual if they are playing down the homophobic aspect as a tactic.

          Tactics usually are to withhold certain information from the media to ensure that certain information is only known by the offender(s) and police. Either to verify that a confession is genuine or as a tool in interview to try and use as a device for interrogation.

          It may be you withold certain information to try and prevent a suspect becoming concerned and covering their tracks. Equally you may disclose something to flush them out.

          I would have expected my senior colleagues to have used a phrase along the lines on “We are investigating this matter thoroughly and have strong leads. We not the concerns regarding Mr Watsons possible sexuality and will seriously consider whether this matter is a hate crime. We will be diligent and pursue every line of enquiry.” Its bland, it acnkowledges the LGBT issue, but it reveals very little and sounds professional. In this case, the …

          1. … police seem to be being very specific about there being no perceived homophobic motive, whilst not definitively saying that. Given that homophobia is a concern within the public domain it is an odd strategy to try and deny this. One wonders, if the police may have strong suspicion this is not homophobic and have irrefutable evidence pointing them in this direction but are unable to reveal the evidence as it would damage the integrity of the investigation.

  16. Sickening, sickening attack. I can’t believe any human being would do this. I hope the perpetrators are brought to justice very soon.

  17. BBC now saying “nothing to suggest a homophobic motive”..Unless this guy was running a drugs cartel from rural scotland I cant see what else could possibly be a reason? What would it take to be homophobic- “die fags” written in blood at the crime scene?

    1. One cannot begain to imagine the terror that this young man must have endured before he had his life taken from him in such a horrible unbelieveable way.

      It hurts me to just think about the pain and how he suffered, at the hands of these people.

      I notice from a photo where a police car was parked it happned near some houses, did no one hear anything?

      This is going to haunt me for some days to come I know.

  18. One cannot begain to imagine the terror that this young man must have endured before he had his life taken from him in such a horrible unbelieveable way.

    It hurts me to just think about the pain and how he suffered, at the hands of these people.

    I notice from a photo where a police car was parked it happned near some houses, did no one hear anything?

    This is going to haunt me for some days to come.

    1. I just heard this on the news and I was shocked to what this poor man went through.
      No mention of his sexuality or a homophobic motive on the news either.
      Same as the gay murders in Edinburgh lately the media sweep them under the carpet.
      Murders like this should highlight homophobia with in our communities and deal with the bigots that fuel hate!

  19. Sincere sympathy to Stuart Walker’s family, loved ones and friends.

    This was mindless cruelty, and I know the murderers will be caught.

    Many excellent comments on this thread…

  20. Mr. Ripley's Asscrack 24 Oct 2011, 6:51pm

    A wee update from Reporting Scotchland… Police believe it wasn’t a random attack; there is nothing to indicate that it was motivated by homophobia; he was beaten up before (no reason given although, from the soundbite it was some time ago) and there’s a possibility that Stuart knew his killer and arranged to meet. Lastly that they are optimistic that they’ll be able to solve this “fairly soon”.

    Hmmm… fingers-crossed for a life sentence.

    1. According to Sky he was reported to the fiscal for an assault in August although the case was dropped …

      Intriguing

    2. Spanner1960 25 Oct 2011, 7:55am

      Life my arse. If they do they will be out in 12-15.
      Life should mean life, and in cases such as this should mean removal thereof, by the neck, until dead.

      1. Dave North 25 Oct 2011, 9:45am

        Strathclyde police are now saying that he was sexually assaulted.

        Sounds GAY to me.

  21. We have these people to plame for stirring up people to do things like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di04_vKfqNw

  22. Scotland and England and Europe needs a group like the SPLC to expose the people who murder and harm other people for their own twisted reasons. http://www.splcenter.org/

  23. This is both awful and terribly terribly sad! My heart goes out to Stuarts family it really does!!

    Why? What did he EVER do to these people other than being himself.

    And why is it always the guys who suffeer this brutality in the west? I’m not saying gay woimen don’t, but it’s not something I have ever read or heard myself.

    I’m lost for words now it’s so awful :(

  24. Another Hannah 24 Oct 2011, 11:45pm

    Scotland has a big problem with homophobic pea brained scape goating. It has to be said as well that this is an undercurrent in the rest of Britain quite strongly, seen out in the open again, as it occassionally is. The actions of the media trying not to deal with this are utterly shameful. I wonder what will be thought when in future this starts to be addressed and people look back at what the British media has been quietly not condemning.

  25. This is the second case of a man being burned in the uk ive heard of today :(

    Oh how disgusting and vile. How has this country become like this :(

    1. I meant this is the secon time ive of this case of a man being burned ive heard today.

      Sorry for the mix up im still shocked over it. The thought this happens in uk is terrifying. What is happening to our country :(

  26. That’s a beautiful country,but some people… Poor man!!!

  27. auntie babs 25 Oct 2011, 3:22am

    jesus f,ing wept ….and we want equality with these animals????

  28. GingerlyColors 25 Oct 2011, 3:27am

    my condolences to his family and his friends. We live in a society where feral scum murder people just for fun. If being gay wasn’t a factor then being the ‘wrong sort of Christian’ or following the ‘wrong football team’. Some people are so full of hate that if we all become equal they will turn their violence upon themselves.
    With 800 murders a year in th UK I must point out that statistically some 30 – 40 of them will be gay but killed for other reasons. Stuart Walker looks like the sort of man who will walk away from trouble so homophobia is a strong motive.

  29. The tragedy here is the brutally painful way this young man suffered his death. It made me reflect on the savage murder of Mathew Sheppard, the comment was made when he was found… the only place one could see skin on his bloodied face were his tear tracks!

    Obviously Stuart would have suffered! I can’t now begin to imagine the gut wrenching emotions and pain these vile people have caused to his family who have to deal with his tragic death, but also with the inconceivable way he died. How can you come to terms with the fact that your son, brother, grandson, nephew cousin or boy friend died such a needlessly senseless horrific and lonely death.

    This family are victims themselves How? will they ever here after be able to think of Stuart without feeling angry that some one with no value for life took his so young and needlessly!

    The only greater tragedy is the legal system has no punishment adequate to dispense to the perpetrators!

  30. I wonder why the hate crime aspect is being played down……makes me think they suspect the murderer might be gay.

    1. If the murderer was gay it would be played up

      1. Dave North 25 Oct 2011, 9:44am

        Strathclyde police are now saying that he was sexually assualted.

        Sounds GAY to me.

    2. Its a possibility, although if that is the case then its an interesting way to handle media relations ….

  31. Pink Borneo 25 Oct 2011, 6:33am

    We, the LGBTIQ community all over the world should be alert & united on the awareness campaigns.

  32. Spanner1960 25 Oct 2011, 7:49am

    This country continues to become yet more extreme and violent as our sentencing becomes weaker and more ineffectual due to liberal attitudes and human rights legislation often initiated in Europe and not of our own choosing.

    We need to get out of the EU, get back to our own laws, build more prisons, and in cases like this, should the perpetrators be caught, they should be hung. Stop all this pussyfooting about.

  33. Dave North 25 Oct 2011, 9:44am

    Strathclyde police are now saying that he was sexually assaulted.

    Sounds Gay related to me.

    1. ok well that alright then

  34. “A spokeswoman for Strathclde Police told the Scotsman: “In terms of claims of his sexuality and LIFESTYLE…” (My caps.) Lifestyle happens to be a loaded, right-wing homophobic term. Every gay person is different. There IS no one gay “lifestyle.” When the police discuss this crime in such terms, I wonder about their own police “lifestyles” in actively pursuing the criminals.

  35. Here is hoping the public find the culprit before the police and save a court hearing.
    Also get the sick people who put on this tweeter sickening things when some one is murdered.

  36. Jock S. Trap 13 Nov 2011, 9:45am

    A very shocking, sad and tragic case. It’s just evil what’s happened here. I hope the criminal gets life and it actually means life!

  37. carrie baker 3 Feb 2012, 12:14am

    THE NEW YORK POLICE DEPARTMENT LIKE SO MANY OTHERS MUST BE CLEANED AND OVERHAULDED BY THE LGBT NATIONATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL TASK FORCES AND HUMAN RIGHTS TASK FORCES, THERE IS TOO MUCH BIGOTRY AND BRUTALITY OF WOMEN OF ALL COLORS , MINORITIES AND PEOPLE, MASSES OF POLICE OFFICERES HAVE BEEN CA;UGHT AB;USING CITIZENS, YOUNG MINORITY CHILDREN , GAY CHILDREN, AND WOMEN SEXUAL HARRASMENT, THEY EVEN CAUGHT SOME POLICE OFFICERS, THROWING A SOME OLD LADIES OUT OF THIER CAR AND SLAMMING THEM UP AGAINST THE CAR, AND THEM HAND CUFFING THE OLD EIGHT YEAR OLD LADY, AND BOTH OF THE OFFICERS THREW HER DOWN ON THE GROUND AND PUT THERE KNEE IN HER BACK AND ONE KNEE IN HER NECK AND THE OLD LADY DID NOTHING WRONG, THEY JUST PULLED HER OVER AND ASKED FOR HER DRIVERS LICENSE AND BEFORE SHE COULD EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON THEY ;YANKED HER OUT OF HER CAR IT WAS VIDEO TAPED, TH;E ANIMALS AS POLICE OFFICE MUST BE UNDER CONSTANT SERVALANCE, ANOTHER POLICE OFFICER JUST TASERED TO DEATH A YOUNG COLORED KID, DONT YOU TELL MEN THEY COULD NOT HAVE DETAINED THAT ONE KID, WITH OUT HARM, THE TRANGENDER WOMAN IN NEW YORK MUST SUE THE DEPARTMENT AND THE OFFICER WHO LEFT, HER TIED TO A POST FOR 28 HOURS AND JUST LEFT HER THERE PURPOSELY BECAUSE OF HIS BIGOTRY MUST BE ARRESTED AND FIRED FOR ASSAULT AND BATTERY, THAT WOMAN COULD HAVE HAD A SERIOUS HEALTH ISSUE , HEART PROBLEM AND OTHER PROBLEMS IF DIED WHILE TIED ILLEGALLY FOR EVEN THAT LONG IS MONSTEREOUS, COULD NOT EVEN GO TO THE BATHROOM AND I AM SURE THIS PERSON HAD TO USE THE BATHROOM ON THEMSELVES IN 28HOURS, POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD NEVER EVER BE LEFT ON THE FORCE WITH THAT KIND OF HATRED AND BRUTALITY, THEY ARE DANGEROUS TO ALL MINORITIES AND MANY OF THEM ARE WIFE BEATERS AT HOME AS WE SEE THEM BEING ARRESTED FOR REGUALLARLY AND SEX CRIMES, THEY MUST BE OVERHAULED, AND FIRED, THE POLICIES FIXED AGAINST HATE CRIMES AN BRUTALLITY, AND ALL PRECINTS NOT UPDATED AGAINST THESE CRIMES MUST BE SUED, AND POLICE CHIEFS FIRED FOR NOT IMPLIMENTING SAFTEY FOR CITIZENS, YOU CANNOT HAVE HARDCORE VIOLENT ASSUALTER ON THE POLICE FORCE, THAT IS WHO THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE ARRESTING THE MONSTERS JUST LIKE THEMSELVES, CANT HAVE THE HIPPOCRICY, JUSTICE FOR THE CITIZENS, AND THEIR SAFTEY AGAINST CRIMES ON THE POLICE FORCE. IT MUST NOT BE TOLERATED

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