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Scottish faith groups want gay marriage referendum

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  1. Right. And it always makes sense to have people vote on the rights of others? As the metaphor goes – this is like two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Simple fact – If marriage equality is an affront to YOUR faith, then by all means don’t marry someone the same sex as you. But how dare you assert influence over those who do not believe in your dogmatic drivel.

  2. Derek Williams 11 Oct 2011, 1:35pm

    I fully support the right of heterosexuals not to marry a person of the same sex as themselves.

    1. It would be wrong for a heterosexual to be trapped in a loveless marriage because they felt societal pressure to comply with same sex marriage … lol

  3. It’s not gay marriage, it’s marriage equality. We don’t say hetero marriage either, do we?
    It has to be equal rights for everyone. Nothing else is acceptable.

  4. Father Jack 11 Oct 2011, 1:43pm

    One of the crazy things about California is that human rights are at the whim of the majority, so the wealthy catholic and mormon churches pumped 600 million dollars into taking away gay equality.

    Sorry but my human rights are not going to be subject to a popularity vote. How about a referendum on whether we or the church should have paid of the Pope’s visit?

  5. “that no religious body or its celebrants should be required to carry out same sex marriages or civil partnership ceremonies”.

    Presumably, that also means anyone who wants to can.

  6. Ok and lets also have a referendum on whether the Catholic Church and all other homophobic churches should be forced to perform religious gay marriages. Lets see how they like their religious rights being subject to mass, public opinion!!

    And while we’re at it, why not a referendum to allow heterosexual CPs, a referendum to ban the church from any involvement in marriages and so on….

  7. Father Ted 11 Oct 2011, 1:47pm

    Also it would result in masses of homophobic propaganda and lies on TV and in the media, as it has done in the USA. We may then get the rate of teen gay suicides they have over there. It would be a licence for homophobic bullying.

  8. Father Dougal 11 Oct 2011, 1:52pm

    Oh look, on the Solas website, the solar story:

    “We expect the Centre to cost around £100,000 per year to run. If you are interested in supporting Solas then please get in touch with our office. If you are in the US we are in partnership with Mission to the World (MTW) in Atlanta who has set up a project fund for Solas.”

    An American connection. Quelle surprise.

    1. Very nice catch. Thank you.

    2. Yes, the evangelical Americans are here spreading their Christian dominionist influence and funding to gain more control.

  9. These complete and utter morons.

    Using their logic divorce is also an ‘attack on marriage’.

    Are they asking for divorce to be banned as well.

    They probably are – religious groups are at their heart discriminatory an undemocratic.

  10. Whilst a very small part of me would hope that if a referendum were to be held on equal marriage that it would result in the right result given the recent 61% of Scottish people supporting equal marriage in an opinion poll … why the hell should be have a referendum on basic human rights? Did we have a referendum to bring in race equality laws? Did we have a referendum to decide whether or not to equalise the age of consent? Do we have referenda on religious discimination laws, abortion, the equality act etc etc? NO – so there is no legitimate case for a referendum in this matter….

    1. Marriage is not a human right. It is a civil right.

      But I agree – a minority’s civil rights should not be subject to the opinion of the majority.

  11. Can someone please get these people on radio or TV and ask them the simple question of why if marriage is a Chrisitian institution and same sex marriage is an attack on that WHY they are not demanding the close of registrar offices. Why they are not demanding the closure of all other faith’s mosques etc where they “mimic” Christian marriages every single day instead of these quotes, let them be asked directly and attempt to explain that without being shown up for the hypocritical, bigotted individuals that they really are.

    And breach UN and EU human rights? What rights would those be exactly?

  12. This has got American fundamentalism’s and American anti marriage equality organizations’ (like NOM’s) dirty fingerprints ALL over it.

    1. Father Ted 11 Oct 2011, 6:22pm

      It appears that it may, see Father Dougal’s post above. Solas do say they are biblical literalists on their website too.

    2. Absolutely.

  13. The rights of others, certainly a minority group, should definitely not be subject to a popular vote.

  14. And while we’re at it we can have a referendum on whether or not the COE should be publicly funded or only funded by those who actually attend and whether or not churches should be tax exempt.

  15. Does the consultation include religious foes of same-sex marriage. If it does, why and what is the point? This is not a religious matter. Nobody is going to force them to officiate or recognise same-sex marriages so I don’t see the relevance. About time these religious nutters were given their marching orders. How dare they impose their religious beliefs on the rest of the country, who do they think they are?

    1. If they want a referendum and the referendum comes out not in their favour they can’t then just say ah well, we’re a religious organisation we can opt out of marraige for gays…they seem to want it all ways, an opt out from religious cps and marriages and a referendum to force eveyone else not to do gay marriages, civil or religious…This isn’t about them!

  16. No, thanks! Bigots support referenda on the rights of minorities in order to stir up hysteria and hatred. Deciding the fate of others by majority rule is mob rule.

  17. Father Ted 11 Oct 2011, 4:10pm

    I’m also wondering if the US connection has anything to do with these people?

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mwest/111011

  18. “Gordon Wilson argued that allowing same-sex partners to marry was of “such a destructive nature to Scottish society” it should be subject to a public vote.”

    I was in Portugal recently and can state that Portuguese society has not yet been destroyed by marriage equality there.

    “Mr Wilson, who led the Nationalists from 1979 to 1990, is now chairman of the Christian-based faith group Solas. He and the group’s director, the Rev David Robertson, made the call for a referendum in response to the Scottish Government’s consultation on the issue.”

    I also noticed that Assol is an anagram of Solas.

  19. I would like marriage equality – for us it is one less hate target that these bigots can attempt to divide us by.

    Who is the underdog here? It isn’t the hate groups, it is the people who want to be allowed a choice to live more freely than before.

  20. Some time ago religion quietly re-branded itself as ‘faith’ in an attempt to make its out-of-date nonsense seem more modern and acceptable.

    Why does Pink News and so many of its correspondents always fall for this trick?

    Please call a spade a spade, it’s RELIGION, not faith.

    1. I dont think its that simple …

      There certainly is religion and some of those who follow a religion have faith (and some don’t!) …

      1. agreed, then there’s having faith, and really, really having faith, i.e. suicide bombers.

    2. How about calling them sects, they are religious sects and they run sect schools.

      Faith = belief without evidence
      Imagine David Cameron telling us we need more belief without evidence schools, it wouldn’t sound quite so convincing as faith school.

      1. I prefer to call them ‘cults’ as that is precisely what they are.

        The catholic, muslim, jewish, hindu cults are merely better established and respected than the Moonies or the scientologists, They do not deserve that respect though – they have so very little to offer society.

  21. Johnny33308 12 Oct 2011, 1:13am

    Yes, allow people to vote on the Civil Rights of others! That has always worked well in the past, eh?

  22. What the church don’t realise (or probably do but won’t admit) is that the church has really no influence in the way things are run over here. They think they can do and get away with the same sh*t that US churches do but thankfully, living in a sane country, that stuff can’t and doesn’t happen here. It is widely known that only 7% of the UK population attends church on a regular basis and they’ll all be dead in 20 years because they’re coffin dodgers. I’m really sick of the conservative MINORITY ruling how this country is run. They forget we live in a different world now, a global, freer society where everyones rights should be respected. And as for the rights of christians, or the bizarre notion that giving gays the right to marry will somehow affect straight people’s rights – I don’t recall any of THEIR rights being taken away from them. How many of Scotland’s 5.2 millions lives will be changed if gay marriage is allowed? – just gay people’s, and a few moronic christians.

  23. luke from canada 14 Oct 2011, 5:15am

    They also argue that legalising gay marriage would violate rights of heterosexual married couples under UN and European laws

    and these hetero couples rights are more important than those of gay couples?

  24. Jock S. Trap 5 Nov 2011, 4:19pm

    They just can’t help themselves. It’s any excuse to discriminate andf try to show their chosen religion ‘rules’.

    Well I go tnews for them, they don’t and thankfully never will again.

  25. I heard David Robertson’s son is a homosexual

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