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Catholic archbishop urges Scottish parishes to oppose gay marriage

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  1. Conti – no different from an anti-semite or the KKK, trying to persecute people for their innate personal characteristics. Perhaps he should look to cleaning his own obscenely wealthy, nonce-hiding, liar church to clean its own house and keep his nose out of politics. No one elected him, and no one other than his sheep give a damn what he says.

    1. How can a priest be married to God if god is not a female body?

  2. ““There will be other consequences in law, and social policies …”… I thought we had been told that we were equal. What possible other consequences can there be, we can already adopt, have surrogate children, some of us have partners who already come with children. As for the housing etc then aren’t we supposed to have all the rights of married couples anyway. The media , firends etc already call us married and this hasn’t had any negative effect on society. Giving us the word marriage won’t affect anything. The equality laws and CP act has already changed everything , the word marriage is the final discrimaintion that needs to go.

    1. billy wingarten 11 Oct 2011, 6:17am

      There will be consequences. The largest and longest criminal conspiracy will be exposed. And ultimately destroyed.

      There actually is a move to get the vatican brought before the international criminal court for crimes against humanity.

  3. Paddyswurds 10 Oct 2011, 12:12pm

    “He added: “All children deserve to begin life with a mother and father, the evidence in favour of the stability and well being which this provides is overwhelming and unequivocal. It cannot be provided by a same sex couple however well intentioned they may be.””
    Thats bloody rich coming from the Catholic Church, whose clergy have spent centuries and continue to sexually and physically abusing children. Just who do these idiots think they are fooling. It’s time mankind put these fantasists in their place once and for all and that is in the dustbin of history, there to be scorned and ridiculed as the abberation and folly of man….

    1. Father Jack 10 Oct 2011, 12:28pm

      Also he was not telling the truth. The evidence that the church is trying to suppress from the prop8 trial in California reviewed the studies and showed what he says to be totally untrue. If I remember correctly, the children of lesbian couples did best.

      1. because couples who want to bring up children have to go through a lot before it happens – couples who don’t want them but thru ignorance, and selfishness end up with them are more likely to resent them.

    2. Also he is arguing that entitlement to marriage depends on how good you are at bringing up children. It’s generally believed that children of Asian parents do better than other cultural groups. Does that mean only they should be allowed to get married? His whole premise is ridiculous.

      1. billy wingarten 11 Oct 2011, 6:18am

        wonder how many kids he sexally abused, or covered up these crimes.

  4. Another publicity grabber – to be ignored

  5. Father Jack 10 Oct 2011, 12:20pm

    I sometimes wonder if religions that insist on celibacy for their priests would have more credibility if ordination were followed by castration. This would also solve the problem of child abuse.

    Apparently it used to happen sometimes in the Church but was outlawed as rule number 1 at the 4th century Council of Nicaea.

    1. They just start worshipping severed testicles as holy relics

      1. Chinese Eunuchs at the imperial court carried them in a jar in front of them. It could be part of a ceremony.

        As for relics, I wouldnt be surprised if there was a reliquary somewhere with a saint’s testicles in them. They seem to have every other body part.

    2. “If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off” always did seem to me to make more sense for other parts than the hand… but it wouldn’t really solve anything, unless you believe that making it impossible to find people willing to take the job a good thing.

  6. Seeing as this has been going on like forever it’s nothing new…..if they’re stepping up the offensive maybe we should too…..glittering and cream pieing few more Bishops for starters…ok that’s silly…..but how about boycotting anything catholic unless it supports us? Worked for Harvey Milk.

  7. Bloody cheek, who does he think he is saying the government has no right to reconstruct society. Neither does he and neither does he have the right to impose his frigging catholic so called “christian” beliefs on the rest of us. Time to overturn the catholic emancipation act, put them in their place, arguably one of the worst repeals in our history. Boot the buggers out.

    1. Dr Robin Guthrie 10 Oct 2011, 12:38pm

      Indeed.

      Back to your Multi Billion dollar Gold laden Vatican you hypocrites.

      1. Indeed! As the saying goes – If you want to feed the world, sell the Vatican.

        1. Who would buy it though?

  8. If Africa is to lose Aid for persecuting gay people, then shouldnt that happen at home too?

    If they are going to politically campaign against equality for gay people, is it right for them to operate tax free?

    1. auntie babs 10 Oct 2011, 1:03pm

      now that is a superb idea. agree 100%.

    2. I agree. The Catholic Church should lose their tax free status.

  9. Ask him about Golden Square! Talk about two faced!

    1. What is Golden Square?

    2. Are you saying Mario Conti has been seen around the Golden Square? I know he is from the Aberdeen area, and that he does not come over as “robustly macho”, so are you saying he was a regular?

    3. Patricia McKeever 17 Oct 2011, 12:34pm

      There is an apparent suggestion here that a cleric may have a reputation for engaging in liaisons in Golden Square which doubles as a car park and “one of those” districts. Logistically access to the Catholic Cathedral car park from Union Street is via Golden Square/Crimon Place therefore for a cleric merely to be seen there, in the absence of any other evidence, would be insufficient to draw any uncharitable conclusion.

      In any event, when I reported well known cases of clerics being seen in “gay” bars and – in one case of a now “former” priest – a boyfriend, I was nominated for the Bigot of the Year – talk about hypocrisy!.

  10. “All children deserve to begin life with a mother and father, the evidence in favour of the stability and well being which this provides is overwhelming and unequivocal. It cannot be provided by a same sex couple however well intentioned they may be’

    I think you will find that there is a proven higher separation/divorce rate compared to same sex couples. I think that the Catholic Church really need to take a good look at themselves for…as it is about bloody time.

  11. Mumbo Jumbo 10 Oct 2011, 12:57pm

    “The Catholic Church, for one, will not accept it, and indeed will actively campaign against it.”

    It’s a pity you don’t take that line when it comes to raping children and covering it up.

  12. Peter & Michael 10 Oct 2011, 1:01pm

    Once again the church is frightened that it will lose it’s grip on the lies that they have perpetrated over centuries, the catholic priests abusing children, well, we know enough about that, giving equality to minorities of people, they are against that measure too. As, we have said in previous posts, until the church pays their taxes they should stop meddling in the politics of a secular country.

    1. Yes this political interference is a step too far.

    2. And it’s not a level playing field campaign-wise if all their funding against marriage equality is tax free.

  13. Church sends out 100,000 protest cards against same sex marriage
    http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Church-sends-out-100000-protest.6850482.jp

    As the church organisation is now so active politically then shouldn’t it be paying business tax?

    1. Father Ted 10 Oct 2011, 2:37pm

      Perhaps it’s time to start addressing enquiries to the Scottish Charity Regulator:

      http://www.oscr.org.uk/

    2. These cards are placed in the pews along with ball-point pens so that they can be signed right there in front of others. The idea is that parishioners will intimidate one another into signing the cards.

      I’m guessing that most of these cards will be found on the floor the next day by church custodians, while others will be signed by Winnie the Poo or Harry Potter and sent to the government….

  14. “Although government ministers have stressed that churches will be free to choose whether to hold gay weddings, religious leaders claim that they may be forced to in future.”

    So their argument is based on something they perceive may happen? Seems rather a stretch when the consultation clearly states where they agree to it.

    “It will act to create larger divisions in society and could lead in the future, as we have seen in some of the legislation to date, to gross allegations of discrimination.”

    I don’t see any of the other countries with equal marriage currently tearing themselves apart

    1. I’m a Brit living in Spain, and got married earlier in the year. Haven’t seen my village tearing itself apart over the fact that I live here, got married or anything else. To be honest have had no negativity from the people of the village, including the local priest.

      This is a predominantly caotholic country, and since the law was changed here it has carried on much the same as it always has, acceptance, tolerance and people going on about their daily lives. So if Spain can cope I’m sure the UK can.

    2. It’s a standard slippery slope-type argument, which is always a logical fallacy. Used by the desperate when they have nothing rational to say.

      It’s similar to them saying decriminalising homosexuality will lead to it’s becoming compulsory.

  15. Derek Williams 10 Oct 2011, 1:56pm

    Apart from its treatment of homosexuality, and therefore homosexuals I have nothing against the Catholic Church, but it is clearly only for heterosexuals, whereas other churches welcome LGBT as parishioners and clergy.

    There are 34,000 denominations of Christianity in the world, so there is no obligation to go with one that teaches you your basic orientation, shared by 300 million others, is intrinsically ‘evil’.

    There is not and never has been a single voice for Christendom, as disputes over other issues such as birth control and divorce will attest. If you want to find a relationship with your God, avoid Catholicism if you are gay.

    So far as marriage is concerned, this is a state institution, with religion having only a ceremonial role. The churches were all in favour of a separation of Church and State when they wanted freedom from persecution, and freedom of religion, but now they want it back again, and for the state to enforce their private religious views.

    1. Gay Daily Mail Reader 10 Oct 2011, 8:08pm

      34,000 denominations? That is quite a lot of choice. If I want good service I always go to a shop or a pub that will give me value for money. Likewise if you are gay and a Christian, then you don’t have to stop being a Christian, just go to a church belonging to a demonination that is not homophobic which as the Metropolitan Church or one of the Unitarian or Universalist churches.

  16. Keith Farrell 10 Oct 2011, 2:06pm

    Can we not charge this man with “gross discrimination” I mean is what he is doing legal in the UK. my pesonal opion is that he is breaking the law

    1. He’s not, but maybe the tax free status of his employer may be at risk.

      1. ditto

  17. David Nottingham 10 Oct 2011, 2:14pm

    I just don’t get this…. Three things; in what way is gay marriage a “gross discrimination against Christians”?; Why does the Archbishop think that same sex couples cannot provide stability and well-being? and; what has it got to do with him anyway!? The state owns the institution of marriage not the church (and especially not the Catholic Church who are hardly in a strong position both morally and pragmatically to pass comment!)

  18. Bill (Scotland) 10 Oct 2011, 2:35pm

    The Vatcian tried the same nonsense here in Spain prior to the government legalising gay marriage some years ago. I think the Vatican thought that because Spain is traditionally a Catholic country the government would roll over, amidst a wave of opposition from millions of church-goers here. But the Spanish have grown up and can no longer be cowed by the Vatican’s threats and bluster so, very politely, it was told to ‘butt out’ and the law was passed.

    Let’s hope both the UK government and Scottish Executive tell the Vatican’s paid agent Conti not to interfere in UK domestic affairs. I used to think the Vatican had a long history as a political entity, but of course it dates only from 1929 when it was created by a Treaty with Mussolini. The Vatcian’s lies and deceptions, not to mention subverting the laws of many countries by covering up the kiddie-fiddling habits of many of its paid agents (aka ‘priests’) has gone on for far too long.

    1. Similarly, here in Canada there was a failed last-ditch attempt to persuade the government to oppose the legalization of gay marriage.

  19. “Churches would actively campaign to block marriage rights for gay people and warned that the move would create larger
    divisions in society”
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    and
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    “that allowing gay marriage would lead to gross discrimination against Christians.”
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    I’d like to see how the churches can actively campaign to block what will be a legal right.

    Their silly little narrow minded views are whats causing the problem. Allow more diverse marriages and you’ll get more money on the collection plate! Stop bleating. Society is divided on the church as a whole too, excluding people from getting married will only widen the chasm of opinion that already exists.

    As to discrimination… doesn’t matter if its between Christians, Indians, Chinese, Japanses, Romanian, Polish, French, Spanish, Dutch, Jewish…. the church is wholly and intrinsically DISCRIMINATORY anyway.

  20. paddyswurds, the thing is, nobody in government is spelling it out for them th way you put it. Our pro marriage equality MPs and Cameron should be taking them to task, reminding them that this is a purely civil matter and has absolutely NOTHING to do with their religion(s), nothing. It’s not as if we’re demanding religious marriage. Our MPs could put an end to this paranoia and armageddon nonsense coming from the religious right once and for all by speaking up. Where have they been discriminated against since CPs were introduced, who has forced them to recognise them? The answer is a resounding ‘nobody’.

  21. Another Hannah 10 Oct 2011, 2:54pm

    Shocked at how an unelected body, and only a religion, is trying to tell a democratically elected government what to do – and getting really assertive about it. is there no end to the cheek and lack of respect of the Roman catholic church? I think if I were the Scottish govt. I would ban them and the Conservative party for trying to overide a democratically elected govt. they have a right to campaign, no more.

    1. This has been their tactic around the world, using millions of pounds, lies, and political blackmail, not to deal with poverty etc., but to demonise and fight against equality for gay people.

  22. I hope someone reports him to the Police as perpetrating a gross Hate Crime.
    He might also consider that if the Catholic Church wishes to involve itself in Politics to this extent then it should forfeit its charitable status and tax advantages!

  23. Another Hannah 10 Oct 2011, 2:57pm

    RC tax privilages should be removed for trying to overide democratic regimes. this is really pretty dangerous, if they succeeded they would seriously damage faith in democracy.

  24. Once again the Roman Catholic Church is trying to interfere with the politics of this country. Shame on them! Who are they to have the moral high ground, when alot of their priest were abusing children! They are also responsible for many people in the world (in particular in Africa) having died of AIDS, due to their strong opposition against condoms. The Catholic Church also needs to realise that it is a minority in this country. Due to the fact that the largest religious denomination in this country is Protestant/Anglican. How would they feel if we treated them different because they are a minority? They wouldn’t be happy then, would they? We need to stand up against the Roman Catholic Church and fight for our rights!

  25. If the Vatican, a foreign sovereign state, is telling people around the world who to vote for, maybe political parties should take more of an interest in who they allow to be appointed cardinals in their own country, and advise the Vatican who they want to be elected?

    1. clever idea…

  26. Father Jack 10 Oct 2011, 4:28pm

    Reading between the lines, is he actually threatening to set up a hate/animosity based group like NOM in America?

  27. http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150318632766851
    Bible: centuries of plagiarism and forgery upon forgery — one steaming pile of Holy Excrement

    Christianity: based heavily on myths, rituals, and other sources two thousand years before “Christ”
    Jesus Christ: never walked the Earth

  28. Raymond A. Weaver 10 Oct 2011, 6:35pm

    Father Jack, et al- evidence is that castration isn’t the answer to child abuse. The abuse begins in the mind. The sex drive, whatever it is, doesn’t stop just because the testicles are gone.

  29. Another sick and twisted man with some power. I thought we’d got rid of catholic power games with henry the 8th. Seems that Rome is still trying to persuade our governments what to do.

  30. Gay Daily Mail Reader 10 Oct 2011, 8:02pm

    Time for a bit of bishop bashing!

  31. The courts have already ruled religion is a matter of opinion and should not be used as the basis for making law, so presumably this will also cover any gay marriage legislation.

  32. billy wingarten 11 Oct 2011, 6:14am

    The catholic church of Germany’s wartime leader, , still not EXcommunicated.

    the catholic church of the endless hidden molestation of children all over the world. Just google (country name) – catholic church molestation.

    Trying to dictate how others should live.

    The monster that gave the arabs the catholic crusades that killed tens of millions from 900-1500 No wonder the arabs hate us.

    The monster, that when it was losing power thanks to the printing press tortured and murdered an estimated 100,000 to enforce its beliefs, or should I say fantasies and superstitions.

    the monster that joined with dictator Franco during the spanish civil war, which btw was also supported by Germany’s air force. 1936-1939

    The house of the greatest of crimes against humanity dares to tell others how to live.

    http://nobeliefs.com/SIZAN.htm (reverse the order of the capitalised letters

  33. Being gay/Lesbian/Bisexual had been cursed by all religious. God may not prevent natural disasters, everything is subject to the fall of humanity into ‘sinful that effects on everythings’ for ex: disasters, disease, resources limited, crisis & suffering as universe by against the laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Revenge of God, Kingdom of Heavens & Mother of the Earth is ‘JUST STARTING’ God killed millions in the bible…..allowed almost every loss possible on this earth for ex: Job, Status, Sick, Deep grief, AIDS/HIV, Horrible, Loneliness, A Catastrophe Ballet. Let’s Keep praying and let’s see how that goes…Hurting was to realize what’s coming. ‘Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God’ (by the name of Jesus Christ, Amen!!)

    1. auntie babs 11 Oct 2011, 12:06pm

      what on earth are you babbling on about?

  34. Just proves my theory that the catholic church needs someone to hate and oppose to make themselves relevant.

    I’m glad the Scottish Parliament didn’t shy away from this issue. Conti only speaks for his flock – nobody else.

  35. Think it’s high time to call their charitable status into question, since they think they can hold that AND be a political lobby group at the same time.

    http://www.oscr.org.uk/meeting-our-requirements/how-to-complain-about-a-charity/making-a-complaint/

    1. One of the above posts mentions Aberdeen’s “Golden Square” and the idea that Bishop Mario Conti is two faced.

      Is it being suggested that Bishop Mario Conti was seen around the Golden Square?

    2. Has someone in this forum above seen Mario Conti about Aberdeen’s Golden Square?

  36. Is it being implied that Mario Conti, when living in Aberdeen as Bishop, was seen in the Golden Square?

  37. Another flailing, lolling and hypocritical death throe of the Catholic church. Usually it is prudent to pay attention to a man in a dress with glitter and sequins. But that is more than often at the RVT.

  38. I usually blog under EditorCT so if possible, please amend my profile. Not the end of the world – those in the know are already aware of my name, but I just like to be consistent. Thanks.

  39. My original post seems to have gone AWOL. I was replying to the person who made an innuendo about Golden Square, which has something of a reputation of being a “gay” red light area, I believe.

    However, it also doubles as a car park backing onto the Catholic Cathedral!

    Thus, the apparent suggestion that a cleric may have a reputation for engaging in liaisons there, needs to be substantiated with concrete evidence.

    Logistically access to the Cathedral car park from Union Street is via Golden Square/Crimon Place, therefore merely being seen there, in the absence of any other evidence, would be insufficient to draw any uncharitable conclusion.

    Also, when I published some (already known) names of clerics who frequented a “gay” bar in Glasgow, I was nominated for the Bigot of the Year award, so it is a tad hypocritical for “gays” themselves – who rose to prominence by outing celebrities and clerics – to hint at Goings on at Golden Square.

    Evidence, please, based on the principle that one shoud put up or shut up!

  40. Karen miles 26 Aug 2012, 12:20pm

    I have gay friends BUT forcing our churches to hold gay marriages is wrong. I am not religious as such. But what is the point of the bible if governments want to go against what the bible says?
    I also feel there is discrimination here, if the church of England & Scotland have to hold gay marriages so should all other faiths Muslim Jewish etc be forced to do so. The church should do an on line petition get the word out.

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