Told you so yesterday.
Was the right thing to do.
Well, but you’d advocate banning all gay pride marches, wouldn’t you Matthew?
Yes I would, as homosexuals claim that they want to be equal, but they insist on doing different things that dont make them equal.
Its the homosexuals that have to change to enable them to be equal, no one else.
That has to be the most pathetic response yet.
Not much of one for the real world are you Matthew. Prefer living in your bitter twisted fantasy world as ever. Must be very lonely and knowing most people view you as a crackpot fruitloop too.
So very, very sad I almost pity you but I’ve got better things to do.
And your the one complaining about the LGBT community but just can’t stay away from a website design for the LGBT community.
Somehing about you is so false it doesn’t ring up.
Oh and your assumptions, both of them, are very wrong but then that is all you do isn’t it, assume? And you always get it wrong… oh so wrong.
Never mind dear!
Whilst I know my punctuation and grammar is not the worlds best, if you work in the media, I would expect yours to be of a higher calibre. Shows the poor standards we have come to accept from dumbed down media and some younger people. Fortunately some of us who are youngish try and maintain some standards in terms of honesty and integrity – unlike you.
So lets see, ban peaceful pride marches but permit violence from right wing extremists … says a lot about your level of logic (or distinct lack of it)
Yet again a troll who fails to understand what equality is … its not being the same – its having comparative value
You see Stu, give ‘em rope and they’ll hang themselves.
I think it’s fairly clear, Matthew, that you understand very little. Still, one thing I don’t understand is why you’re spending so much time on a gay – sorry “homosexual” – website [though, as you will know, of course a website can't be homosexual]. Explain?
“they are not gaining support”
Maybe in your little fantasy world mr but not in the real world, try it you clearly will be very shocked.
So what are these “same things” you would have us try?
Unless we know what these “things” are how can we tell if we have or have not already tried them …
So some details please of what you would suggest we try …
Be honest … I hope you surprise me, because at the moment I suspect you are putting up a mask of pretence to reasonable, whereas I suspect you are underneath that thinly vieled poor quality mask quite bigoted beneath …
So, what should we do?
I ask you to enter into reasoned debate …
Asked you to explain what the euphemistic things you would have gay people try are …
And you don’t engage …
Maybe its because you can’t engage because you know of the inadequacy of your argument?
“Was the right thing to do.”
Matthew, you’re wouldn’t know right if got on the table and danced in a grass skirt shouting in your face, “Look at me, I’m right”…. you’re too blinded by your own stupidity and ignorance, alas.
Well said Will. Clap, clap.
So true there Will. Sad innit!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law Is Matthew really a raving tosspot, or does he just play one on the internet?
Personally I think he’s Keith/Pepa/random-other-freak that frequents here – its odd, when one stops, the “other” seems to take over.
Seems that way, Will … although there is a slight different nuance in Pepa versus Keith versus Matthew versus Rich … the commonality is the ignorance, self obsession and self absorption accompanied by utter bigotry
@ Mathew. Right for who? Right wing fascists?
Indeed… his own kind of agenda clearly. Thing is somehow they think this attitude makes Them better people.They don’t see what the rest of decent people see… that their nothing more than bitter fruitloops that are better ignored.
So fascist tactics of violence and intimidation of minorities are seen to be effective after all. Serbia remains a disgrace to Europe. Stop all financial aid now.
Send it to Greece instead, kill two birds with one stone.
They’re just as homophobic and too much influence from the Orthodox Church which is virulently homohating. Keep the money there at home and help the UK
Maybe start a petition to keep Serbia out of the EU.
Certainly think Serbia needs to be sent a message to say that their treatment of people and their lack of human and Gay rights is unacceptable and yes I think they should be excluded from the EU unless they do better.
Yeah cause that’s really going to help the situation.
Note I am not the same Matthew as above in the first comment.
I agree with Michael, they should be free to parade and not let the fascist stop them, the fascist Christians and Muslims make up the biggest part of the haters there.
whenever they “postpone” it to, the far right thugs will just schedule another protest march. The Serb govt seems to have its priorities wrong.
The Serbian government’s priorities are presumably to avoid the city being set alight by thousands of hooligans running amok, beating up gay pride marchers with the police unable to control the situation and the whole thing being broadcast to the world. It’s happened before more than once.
Early reaction from Members of the European Parliament is not good.
As I suggested above, maybe a petition to keep Serbia out of the EU would help?
I also think a less confrontational and less political event than a march in future, with wider support, may be more constructive.
Thats all homosexuals do is online petitions and whinge, how about taking a look closer to home.
What would you suggest? Coffee mornings?
Wow Matthew, deluded much?
Must be nice living a life avoiding any responsibility and sense…. Not!
Oh … clearly don’t know many gay people then …
Keeping Serbia out of the EU might just be doing them a favour – most of us in the UK want out!
Yeah but they genuinely want in …
In which case they are welcome to it! And the moribund Euro! As long as they don’t come begging to the gay friendly Western European countries when they go bust!
Maybe having Serbia in the EU would give us a better chance to advance human rights there.
Giving in to terrorists sends the wrong message.
So predictable really. Too many Eastern/Central European nations are living in the Dark Age – I agree, keep them out of the E.U. The last thing we want is more homphobes flooding these shores.
The National Security Council has assessed that national security would be seriously jeopardized if the Pride Parade was held.
I expect we have not heard the last of this.
Gay Pride Serbia has attracted the world’s attention to the anti-democratic attitudes promoted by the Orthodox Church and extremist groups there.
Serbia’s a strange place. I’ve been to Belgrade and it’s beautiful. And the people are lovely.
Then you read something like this.
That’s the politicians and the religious leaders
Not the people.
Bollocks. When did you ever do anything because a politician or priest told you to do it?
Stop trying to deflect blame, these people are wholly responsible for their actions.
I was with the Serbian Orthodox Church for a couple of years and Serbs tend to be very homophobic (but then most Orthodox are, despite some estimates claim the hierarchy is over 80% gay). But again, the final action rests with the person, so they have a choice–tolerance or bigotry and sadly, so many choose bigotry.
You can probably say the same thing about Uganda, only a thin veneer hides homophobia.
Uganda have the right idea but should expand the law to include fornicators. HIV is out of control due to selfish, immoral fornicators and homosexuals. If people persist in perpetuatin the spread of killer diseases that kill even innocent babies, they should feel the full force of the law that is there to protect innocent decent people.
Paedophiles may argue they are born that way but that does not give them the right to abuse children. They should control their perverted desires. It is the same with homosexuals.
So the police caved in to bigots. Wonderful.. Now the they will be doing this at every LGBT opportunity they can, and will continue to do so. They are like little children, thinking that if they throw a temper tantrum and start throwing stuff, the parents will eventually listen. Well they did. I am so disappointed with Serbia, what a terrible example to set to your nation.
Basically, all this has done has told violent discriminators that. if they come out in enough numbers and force, they can stomp all over a vulnerable minority without consequence. Shameful.
Hopefully they will take every opportunity and make the homosexuals take stock of what they are doing, they are the ones causing the problems.
Oh, marching for civil rights is now “causing trouble”. No, it is the Church and other bigots who are in the wrong, not the marchers. There are those in the US with EXACtLY your mentality–and tend to blame the victim. If you don’t like Pride Parades/Events, don’t attend them. How hard is that?!
Yawn, it gets boring when someone just adds things to try and get a reaction, Matthew. Even more boring when they’re as predictable as you.
So were the black people of South Africa the agitators during apartheid, or the white people of Zimbabwe re Mugabe …???
You have a distorted and twisted sense of history and humanity, Matthew
Yeah but that suits his agenda, it’s what his kind do, distort to suit their twisted agenda.
As sad as it is, I do understand where they’re coming from. These people don’t simply cause tantrums but are violent extremists more than willing to attack gays as well as the police or anyone else. Last time there were 20.000 of them protesting against the couple of hundred people in the pride demonstration and scores of policemen were injured as a result. The time before that the police could not (or would not) protect the marchers and it ended up in chaos with people beaten severely. These people are just looking for an excuse to cause trouble and trouble they will cause.
Sadly, large parts of the Balkans are always fighting against each other. Now that Tito is gone and Yugoslavia is a group of small countries if the Catholics, and the Orthodox aren’t fighting (in any combination you can think of), they turn in on their own.
I don’[t know what the answer is, but you are rigbht. Most of the antis are just punks looking for trouble. I just keep our Serbian brothers and sisters in my prayers.
Yet again it is a sad day for the freedom of expression. The only way the Serbian authorities can justify their decision is also to ban marches by far-right groups. I was wrong to suggest that Croats were Germanic, they are actually mainly Catholic as opposed to the mainly Orthodox Serbs. Both churches are homophobic but while the Pontiff pontificates about the evils of homosexuality many Catholics are becoming tolerant as in countries like Ireland where a gay president is a possibility.
As far as I am aware, Croats are Slavs, just like the Serbians and the Bosnians. Yeah both Churches are homophobic but at least the Catholic Church has those who think for themselves, like the Irish.
Radical action! ban the Pride which is all about love and acceptance and tolerance, for fear that the hate mongers and homophobic will cause violence and mayhem. Who’s to blame here? Peace loving people who are proud to be themselves, or homophobic bigots who can’t accept any one who is not like themselves? Sad state of affairs when people can’t agree to disagree on who’s right/wrong and co-exist in society without threatening or harming each other.
Undoubtedly the bigots are wrong as they are everywhere, I doubt that the police have the resources to keep it from turning into a bloodbath. It is indeed sad that the troublemakers can’t just say OK we don’t approve of you (or whatever else they usually say) but you have the right to march. Serbia is just a sad, sad country.
And so the dickheads, oops sorry extremists win again… or do they?
Totally unacceptable that this is how thugs behave is such a shallow, despicable world they live in. Fine if they wish to live like that but why do they have to inflict their greed and selfishness on all others?
A society busting at the seems with ignorance. The UK isn’t perfect though. Racism and, especially, homophobia is rife.
Serbia is only disgrace to itself. Have some lovely friends from there and they are devastated by cowardice of government and barbaric threats of Church and right wingers.
Serbia is rapidly moving towards a failed state status. The right-wing nationalist element is desperate to lash out at someone. Their blind hatred and disregard for minorities lost them the former Yugoslavia From mass gravesites being exposed to harbouring notorious war criminals the news is all bad from a public perception viewpoint has all been shameful. They are looking around to find someone to blame for this loss of face without looking at themselves of. They have lost their “Greater Serbia” so they can’t attack Croats, Slovenes, Macedonians, Kosovars and Bosnians and the Jewish population was all but wiped out in WW II so in search of a scapegoat they have turned on their gay community instead to spew their venom on. They history world-wide on their side as well as the general homophobia that is rampant through out the Slavic world.
Duh, that should be ‘the histoiry world-wide’ not ‘they history.’
The silent majority who think it is none of their business if a minority is under fire failed again. I spent a lot of time in Serbia and have some great friends there but mentality I’m sorry to say is one of Americans: “We against the world”. It deeply saddens me. My love to people of Balkan and the World.
Amnesty sums it up well by calling this a dark day for Serbia:
It looks like the area is about to descend into civil war again: http://rt.com/news/kosovo-violence-barricades-un-699/
The march is banned for safety reason. get over it!
Also, the trouble with the gay brigade is that they think that to disapprove of homosexuality is homophobic in itself. They do not comprehend that to be homophobic, one must have an IRRATIONAL fear by definition.
Clearly, if the disgust can be rationalized (such as immoral or unnatural and dangerous to innocents), then it is not phobic since I see homosexuals as lepers. I do not hate lepers but I hate what comes with them and what they spread.
As I always say, homosexuals claim that they want to be equal, but they insist on doing different things, that wont ever make them equal.
It’s the homosexuals that have to change, both their behaviour and tollerance to others, to enable them to be equal, no one else. One say they’ll realise it. Until then in the dark they remain.
Of course homosexuality is contagious … not its how some people are born …
Its also not an illness – WHO and APA and RCP all confirm this to be scientifically the case …
You may be trying to (given some of your rhetoric recently elsewhere on PN) refer to HIV … but then thats a virus that doesnt discriminate between heterosexual and homosexual … so a particular fear or hatred of homosexuality is not logically rational and thus suggestive of homophobia
HIV is contagious yet avoidable. Those that choose to adopt lifestyles that perpetuate the spread of HIV (fornicators and homosexuals) are responsible for the spread of killer diseases which kill even innocent babies!
HIV is contagious and avoidable to some – not to all – blood products, rape etc etc
It is not a solely homosexual condtion so thus your rampant mentioning of disease etc linked to homosexuality is both homophobic and evidence of your obsession with sex – jealous, much?
As for diseases killing babies – if you are concerned about infant mortality, I suggest you look to the issue of other conditions such as typhoid, measles etc or to sub Saharan Africa where HIV is prevalent in mainly heterosexual people who transmit the virus to their babies. I don’t know if you realise this but the vast majority of babies are born as a result of heterosexual copulation, not through homosexual activity. Strange how you then campaign against gays to prevent spread of HIV to babies. Rhetoric, ignorance, hatred and homophobia that should rightly be condemned by all reasonable people.
a virus that doesnt discriminate between heterosexual and homosexual … so a particular fear or hatred of homosexuality is not logically rational and thus suggestive of homophobia.
My objection to immoral practices merely includes homosexual practices amongst other immoral acts. Regardless of whether they spread disease or not, they are deemed immoral on biblical grounds. Therefore, my objections are rational since they are based on biblical principles of morality. It is NOT phobic to endorse morality and hate immorality since it is rationalized, even incumbent on those that would espouse bible standards.
You would have to make a case for the bible standard of clean morals being irrational to show phobic behaviour. This you cannot do , especially as it is clear that if the bibles standard of abstinence until monogamous marriage were adhered to, there would be no spread of HIV or other STDs. The bibles way works and protects, yours kills innocents, yet you call ME irrational???
No my sexual activity does not kill innocents – stop you vain irresponsible rhetoric
It is phobic to condemn a particular form of sexuality. Its irresponsible and hate filled.
Wrong in your comments though in heterosexual sex, many women in sub Saharan Africa have contracted HIV despite stating they had no sex prior to marriage … strangely your logic doesnt work unless we can eradicate HIV and ensure that no one has it then if everyone had no sex before marriage it might work. The virus still exists, ignorance, rhetoric and hate fuelled actions do nothing to help those, whether innocents or not.
You call the Bible rational …
I rest my case.
FYI, the Serbian ultra nationalist groups responsible for the cancellation of 2011 Belgrade Pride are:
“Nasi 1389″ and “Movement of 1389″:
These groups receive the full support of the Serbian Orthodox Church.
Also, these are the same groups that which played a major role in the violence which occurred during 2010 Belgrade Pride.
I find this articule depressing, it’s just a reminder of how backwards some of the world is. It’s upsetting to think that more people would be protesting than participating…
Opposition to equal rights for gays is only one item on the agenda of hate groups like Obraz and Nasi 1389.
The real force behind these criminals is the anti-democratic Serbian Orthodox Church.