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  1. Why don’t these stories ever get picked up by the national news?

    1. Who owns the media?

      1. Jock S. Trap 30 Sep 2011, 8:09am

        Don’t think it has anything to do with who owns it, more likely the media still think this is a lesser crime which is poorly judged.

        1. Or …. the media is very London and (to a lesser extent) large city centric, Lincolnshire just doesnt have the pull for the media …

          1. Jock S. Trap 30 Sep 2011, 11:54am

            It is worrying though that if it wasn’t for the Gay media this kind of news would never get reported.

          2. Lyn Thomas 1 Oct 2011, 7:33am

            Someone once drew a graph of how many deaths it took to get one column inch in a London based “national” newspaper. The further away from London the more deaths were needed to get one column inch… the same principle works for events. You can have a weeks stoppage on all South Yorkshire buses and get a tiny mention but a one day tube strike will be front page news.

    2. The media is controlled by the Catholic Church. The Director General of the BBC and the chair of the trustees are Catholics and the Murdoch’s are practicing Christians.

      I bet you did not see this demonstration when the Pope came for a visit?

      1. The guy who is the manager of the gay bar I go into most regularly, does that mean the gay bar is controlled by the Catholic church too??????????

  2. Sir Bob Southerly 29 Sep 2011, 4:15pm

    Daily Hail would probably have difficulty deciding whether they should castigate the elderly victim, and appear soft on law and order, or support him and appear soft on lonely old gays.

  3. The do, the Beed are reporting it here:
    The only thing I celebrate is a mudering thug is off the streets!

    1. Pah! That should have been Beeb…..not Beed,,,,,,,long day at work. ;)

  4. It’s a sad story all round, but specially that a man in his late 60s didn’t have the wisdom or experience to see this teenage psycho for what he is.

  5. Why do they claim that he made sexual advances to him, to justify the murder?

    If I murdered a women and claimed she made sexual advances to me as a gay man, it would be laughed out of Court!

    1. I don’t know if it’s valid in this country, but in some states of america, people can use a gay panic defence clause to claim that a non-premeditated murder was caused (and is less severe) by gay advances.

      1. It even had a popular name here in Britain – the ‘Portsmouth Defence’, due to its association with sailors. It never had official status but was often effective in the past when there was virtually no challenge to homophobic attitudes. The notion was accepted that someone of your own sex coming on to you was such a terrible experience that violent responses could evoke sympathy.

        1. The Portsmouth defence was used (without judicial official approval) in a number of cases. I suspect that whilst case law of such defences could theoretically be drawn upon in future cases in English law, there would be a need to demonstrate that the “fear” of the sexual advance was of such mental significance to the intended sexual “target” that they believed the only way of preventing it would be to use force. They would have to demonstrate the force was proportionate to the perceived threat, necessary and reasonable. I suspect proving all those aspects might be problematic.

      2. jamestoronto 29 Sep 2011, 11:52pm

        Even in the US states that have the “gay panic” laws on the books, his case using this motive would be very week at best. When a person panics they are reacting to someone or something they feel threatened by at the TIME OF THE INCIDENT not the next day and not when he agreed to have sex with the man. He knew full well what the older man was expecting so if he panicked it should have been the night before.

    2. I think it would definitely still be reported that you claimed that as your reason.

      They always report the reasons given by the defendant in these cases where a reason is given.

  6. I think this man was gay, went to try it out. Realised he was gay but couldn’t handle the thought of it as he was probably brainwashed by parents and killed the old guy out of self disgust.

    I know of some guys who are gay and have had sex with men but still deny they are gay. Sad.

    1. ‘I know of some guys who are gay and have had sex with men but still deny they are gay.’ The entire catholic priesthood, for example.

    2. Staircase2 30 Sep 2011, 3:48pm

      try ‘loads’ (and loads and loads and loads): its the ultimate denial – and its what adds fuel to the difficult fire that bisexual men currently have when seeking support for bisexuality from the gay community.

      The term used by organisations who need to target this group (for HIV education for example) is MSM (men who have sex with other men) in recognition of the very many men who do this while being in denial of their own homosexuality.

      1. The Gaydar site is full of them!

  7. Hopefully he will appeal. I notice there is not a statement inc from his Lawyer but there is one from the Police, talk about once side reporting Pink News.

    Dont worry Aiden, you’ll be out soon, get your appeal together lad.

    Enjoy your time inside, warm and dry and lots of food and computer cames, beats being out here in the cold with the rocketing fuel prices.

    1. Michaelangelo 29 Sep 2011, 6:24pm

      Hear, hear.

      It was a far more complicated case than that being reported here.

      The sad fact of the case is that the old man had committed an extremely serious offence, in trying to pay a boy under the 18-years-old to have sex with him. Soliciting a child (vulnerable young adult) is a crime.

      Is it any wonder that Aiden flipped out when it dawned on him that he was going to be used as a prostitute by a man old enough to be his great grand-father.

      This case was not just “innocent gay man” gets killed by “psycho” homophobe. More like, dirty old man – probably soliciting sex with an assumed underage male prostitute – hit over the head by said vulnerable young man.

      1. Let me guess, neither of you are gay?!

        1. Not officially, Reece ;)

          1. Hes gonna get raped hah!

      2. While your sympathy for vulnerable teenagers may be seen as admirable, if an 18-year-old is old enough to join the army, pray tell in what way he can be considered a ‘child’?

        1. Michaelangelo 30 Sep 2011, 1:51am

          He was 17 at the time of the incident.

          It is illegal to give anyone under 18 money for sex – it is a serious sexual crime. This is what the murder victim wanted to do.

          1. Jock S. Trap 30 Sep 2011, 8:19am

            Doesn’t excuse murder. You say no and walk away. This didn’t happen so he deserves everything he gets.

          2. Michaelangelo,

            Whilst this reflects a somewhat different background to the case, I note that the defendant did not claim self defence (which is a legitimate defence to homicide) and has been convicted of murder not manslaughter (suggesting the jury were convinced he intended to kill the victim). Murder is never justifiable. Nor is sexually predatory behaviour against young people (or anyone). I am surprised that you try and condone a killing that was pre meditated.

          3. “I am surprised that you try and condone a killing that was pre meditated.”

            I’m not. Michaelangelo is one of those religious nut cases that has the usual streak of hypocrisy a mile wide, and too stupid to see it too.

      3. Jock S. Trap 30 Sep 2011, 8:13am

        To justify murder and such intolerance of life makes you no better.

        You show yet again you are the worst humanity can offer.

    2. @ mathew. You are sick in the head.

      1. Come now Kyle, he’s firmly on the side of a murderer, obviously he’s one of those trendy-lefty homespun Liberals that we homos are supposed to love …!

    3. “beats being out here in the cold with the rocketing fuel prices”

      We’re not all as poor as you Matthew, some of us bothered to get an education.

    4. Jock S. Trap 30 Sep 2011, 8:14am

      Only the worst of humanity supports murder. I take it your religious too. Seems to be the run of things.

  8. sad, and ofc I wonder if drugs were involved.

    My sympathy to David Cowley’s family, loved ones and friends.

  9. Justice has been served, let that be a warning to all gay bashers.

    1. Interesting reporting of the story and does not reflect the version of events Matthew or Michelangelo seem keen to propagate

      The telling things for me are the ill health of the victim meaning that the threat to the 17year old was unlikely to be of physical significance, the fact he stole the car and various other items and seemed to enjoy its use for some time after (not the tale of someone regretting what had happened or frightened from the ‘sexual advances’) and the fact he repeatedly changed his story to the police.

      I appreciate I had no involvement in the case and my thoughts are those of speculation from an armchair. That said, I see no defence for murder being offered.

  10. Jock S. Trap 30 Sep 2011, 8:07am

    I hope he does get a life sentence. This thug knew what he was doing and thankfully long are the days when trying to use the sexual advance would lighten the sentence. Sadly the US does still have this ridiculous legislation and it serve no justice and no point.

    This thug demonstrates the worse of society and only a life sentence will do but sadly I strongly suspect he will be out in 4-5 years.

    1. Do you know the meanest thing about the law, Jock S Trap?

      A conviction for murder carries a mandatory life sentence.

      1. Which is 14 years. After 7 years you can apply to be let out on license.

        1. Life can mean anything from 8 years to a full life tariff … the suggestion life is 14 years is outdated (in some cases it will be, but with the advent of tariffs etc the reality of life sentences is somewhat different).

          Joe, why do you think a mandatory life sentence is mean?

  11. I just feel very sad.

    Firstly, I have no idea why someone would aim to attack someone in such a manner and secondly I’m very sad that firstly the gentleman was murdered in such a horrible way and that a teenager (who should be living his life to the full) felt the need to murder him.

    Justice has been served but at a tremendous cost to both victim and perpetuator.

  12. Cambodia Guesthouse 30 Sep 2011, 8:05pm

    Of course this criminal loony must be locked up for life (whatever that means).. At least it will send out a message that gay-bashing (or killing) will not be tolerated by society.

  13. Andrew Davies 2 Oct 2011, 4:34pm

    Such a shame the old gentleman didnt realise the youth was a pshyco, and a shame that a young man has ruined his life there are more than one person effected. Such a sad story all round.

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