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  1. Stuart Neyton 23 Sep 2011, 3:20pm

    Watching that video is heartbreaking

  2. I hope the law stomps the bullies in to the ground – let them be named and shamed and forever disgraced for what they did.

  3. Charging these children (either as adults or minors) is nothing more than pandering to the desire to slake the thirst for revenge. It is not justice – it is knee-jerk scapegoating. Prosecuting these kids only means that the angry mob (we – who are justifiably angry and upset at this avoidable tragedy, and maybe even projecting our own childhood experiences at the hands of bullies) can find someone “responsible”, punish them (regardless of whether they are actually guilty) and then get on with our lives feeling that there has been some redress in the balance of Universal karma and that a strong message has been sent out to the bigots. It will achieve none of this.

    1. The homophobic kids being prosecuted will be seen as victims by their supporters. It will do nothing to address their homophobia and the bigotry and lack of empathy that led to this tragedy. To blame kids for being nasty and cruel, for singling out those who are different and bullying those they can, is like blaming a cat for killing your pet budgie. These nasty antisocial behaviour traits are something that kids do naturally and is something the adults responsible for moulding those children need to address. The failure here was with the school, teachers and other ADULTS not doing more to prevent the bullying and address the issues. Jamey’s school and teachers had a duty of care to protect him and they were criminally negligent in failing to do so.

      1. Name and shame the perpetrators, by all means. Expel them from school for bullying. But prosecute them for “hate crime”? These kids are not psychopaths, they are kids. The people who should be held to account for error in judgement are the ones who allowed the bullying to take place and continue. Education and protection are the answer, not revenge – it’s already too late by then.

        1. Bill Perdue 23 Sep 2011, 4:29pm

          Whatever thier age homophobes are psychopaths and sociopaths.

          They deserve severe punishment.

        2. I agree, kids are mean that’s how they are. They need someone to teach them how to treat others not to be prosecuted for hate crimes. This seems a bit like doing things based on emotion rather than common sense.

          1. David Myers 27 Sep 2011, 7:42am

            I am sure at all that their meaness is inate and needs to be taught out of them. I’m more inclined to believe that they’ve been taught to be mean by eitlher family members or their peers and the fact of the erros of their ways needs to be taught along with a huge heaping helping of empathy.

            At a very young age (like kindergarden kids) there has been some significant success by the “Roots of Emphathy” project. In this program, parents bring babies to the class and the children are encouraged to interact (safely) with the baby and asked to explain what they thing the baby is thinking/feeling. This proactive technique teaches empathy and compassion and has been shown to be dramatically effective. Combined with anti-bullying teaching through all grades of school, it could go a long ways towards eliminating this self-perpetuating cycle of socially disfunctional behavior. Zero tolerance for bullying through education!

    2. Cambodia Guesthouse 23 Sep 2011, 5:14pm

      Sorry? There are identifiable people to bullied this kid mercilessly… They should pay. They should be made a real example of… Not to ‘make us feel better’, but to show anyone else who thinks its acceptable to bully a kid for being gay…. That it isn’t.

      And, whatever ‘punishment’ is metered out to these sickos, cannot be anything like the suffering they caused this poor kid!

      Sorry, but MY sympathy is in the right place..

    3. Jock S. Trap 24 Sep 2011, 10:38am

      If children are old enough to encourage someone to kill themselves they are old enough to take responsiblity for this intolerant behaviour. Fact is they knew what they were doing and chose to bully and taunt in the full knowledge that Jamey Rodemeyer was vunerable and depressed. The school itself needs to stand up and see what happens and put into place better actions to tackle this destructive bullying.
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      By getting those responsible charged do we start to show that this kind of bullying is unacceptable and so long as people make excuses we can expect this cruel, destructive actions of the small minded to continue but at what price?

      1. But the school won’t. It’ll dodge and weave its way around it because after all it’s only a gay kid and with no protection from law and no chance at equal rights anytime soon.

        1. David Myers 27 Sep 2011, 8:01am

          If they do that – sue them. It really gets their attention and in British Columbia it led to a new provincial policy to include positive gay/lesbian depictions and anti bullying positive components in the social sciences programs for high school kids.

  4. The only way people will ever take the crime of “Hate Crime” seriously is if someone ever gets charged and sent to prison for it. Judges need to use these laws without fear and make examples of these sick individuals who have been telling this boy to commit suicide. Well I hope their God Fearing Christian families are very proud of their achievements and how well they’ve brought up their sons and daughters. They are the ones living in hell as sick bitter narrow minded individuals, sanctioned every bloody day by politicians who promote anti gay sentiment which leads to hate and then this kind of tragedy.

  5. Bill Perdue 23 Sep 2011, 4:27pm

    These students, their parents, the school administrators and their cult leaders deserve life without the possibility of parole.

    Murder by induced suicide is murder.

    1. Dan Filson 23 Sep 2011, 4:32pm

      Bullycide!

      1. Bill Perdue 23 Sep 2011, 4:53pm

        Excellent.

      2. David Myers 27 Sep 2011, 7:17am

        Good one, if technically incorrect. Bullycide would be the murder of a bully. ;-)

  6. Dan Filson 23 Sep 2011, 4:31pm

    The poor boy was obviously stressed out when he recorded his It’ Get’s Better video.

  7. Cambodia Guesthouse 23 Sep 2011, 5:22pm

    Yes, as I said on a previous article, he was HOPING it would get better… and it clearly didn’t… Jail them! Make an example of these sickos and show them that not only is it unnacceptable to bully someone because of their sexuality, but that actions have consequences.

    Yes, the SCHOOL should also be held accountable for its woeful betrayal of it’s duty of care for this boy… But I’m bloody fed-up with this ‘their only children’ namby pamby excuses excuses cr-p….

    ‘Children’?? Evil little sickos more like!

    Make a really harsh example of the little darlings.

    Sorry but MY sympathy is with this poor kid and his family.

    1. They ARE only children though. I think they will probably know that what they did was terrible, they will have the guilt of this boys life on their hands for the rest of their lives. Punishing them with a hate crime seems a bit unnecessary they should have to be educated in LGBT matters to show them how what they do effects people.

      1. Jock S. Trap 24 Sep 2011, 10:45am

        Meanwhile others will watch as these bullying ‘children’ get away with it. What kind of message does that send?

      2. can you be sure they even care about the death of this young boy? To push someone to suicide is already showing a complete lack of empathy in those little sickos, what proof is there they even give a fu**?

        1. There is a huge difference between telling someone they ought to just kill themselves (although it is already fairly horrific) and not caring that someone actually did it.

          I know from my days at school how mean and unempathetic (dunno if thats the correct word) they can be, but a child was killed in a car crash at our school and even those who didn’t like her where all incredibly upset at what had happened.

          Its human nature to care for one another and at such a young age noone is indoctrinated to have such little sympathy for another child. I may be being naive but I can’t believe that a child wouldn’t feel bad about this for years to come.

      3. David Myers 27 Sep 2011, 7:27am

        Look. If it can be shown that the recent comments to him urging him to kill himself, came as a result of his “It Get’s Better Video” and as comments on the video, then it shows premeditated intend to cause suicide – for real, with full knowledge of his previous suicidal thoughts (he talks about them in the “It Gets Better Video”). I say charge them with conspiracy to commit murder (by induced suicide). Then settle through plea bargaining for manslaughter with a hate crime designation for purposes of sentancing. A legal argument could be made that this as@holes were intent on intimidating him in his free speech as well as any other gay or lesbian who might be tempted to make a similar video and thus become targets of people like the defendents. Its just like the KKK in the US painting signs on houses or barns saying that the would kill anyone who participated in Civil Rights Marchs – a direct attack on freedom of expression.

  8. I would charge them to thefull extent of the law as an adult.

    If your going to tell someone to kill themselves you must expect that they might and you must be ready for the consequences of mentalland emotionally attacking a scared and vulnerable person.

    All he wanted was to be himself and be accepted. He could of been such a beautiful man and had such an amazing life and they and those like them robbed of that.

    I can’t watch that video it will make me cry. This world is so horrid

  9. If there is adequate evidence under the law then let these students be charged, but it does seem like locking the stable door after the horse has bolted and the Police trying to show belatedly that they are ‘on the case’. It does nothing for the invisible bullied kids who manage to stay alive and is no substitute for active anti-bullying policy in the school.

  10. thankfully something is being done- these kids need to learn that actions have consequences and it needs to be a lesson for others who might think all this is a bit of fun in future. Sounds harsh but whats happened to Jamey is horrible and whatever possible that can be done should be done.

  11. I bet the bullies are Christians who caused him to kill himself, they need to be arrested and put in jail for their crimes. Christians are behind most of the gay bullying as well as hate crimes today around the world except for the Muslims who like the Christians who think they can murder gays and get away with it.

  12. Poor lovely,child! Yes, the responsible bullies should be prosecuted and punished under the law .There should also be some form of punishment for their parents and their religious leaders for child abuse in teaching the bullies bigotry,discrimination and how to hate!

  13. this is disgusting, the fact that after reaching for help so many times, nothing happens until after this poor boy commited suicide! I can’t believe how after all thats happened, particularly this exact time last year authorities and teachers and the like just don’t seem to see the concern until its too late…

  14. My immediate reaction is that this is like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. So much could have been done before it came to the point where a vulnerable child was driven to suicide.

    1. I have to say, this is pretty much exactly what I thought. How many suicides does it take before it gets through to them, I wonder?

    2. Miguel Sanchez 26 Sep 2011, 3:07pm

      Rick,
      I agree totally with you. The “It gets better” saying is just lip service unless we’re all ready to get involved in helping make a change in a bullied child’s life.

      I, for one, am glad to see the Buffalo DA look into filing hate crime charges against those kids to posted on his web page. If that falls through, I really hope the US Attorney steps in and files federal hate crime charges against them. It would be poetic justice if the Feds sought the death penalty.

      Bullying has become an epidemic in American society and we all have to get involved in stopping it. Until we do, there is no way it can get better for someone who is being bullied.

  15. Jock S. Trap 24 Sep 2011, 10:32am

    Such a sad story and those responsible should be held to account. If they go on accepting bullying is acceptable and taking one life is some kind of blood sport I hate to thing how things will become.
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    Fact is most of those children will have been taught their beliefs and that must be addressed to.

  16. Spanner1960 24 Sep 2011, 3:26pm

    Prosecuting silly kids for these actions will do nothing but satisfy people’s need for revenge.

    What needs to be done is education, and demonstrating to people how harmful and soul-destroying bullying can be. They need to be shown the potential results of what they perceive as “a bit of harmless fun”. I have seen it myself, and it isn’t single attacks, but the constant barrage and onslaught that wears you down, and at that age one has enough problems simply growing up, let alone being gay, and to have that on top, I can see why life could become totally unbearable.

    1. Jock S. Trap 24 Sep 2011, 4:27pm

      “Prosecuting silly kids for these actions will do nothing but satisfy people’s need for revenge.”
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      Yet not doing anything shows others they will be untouchable and we’ll see this repeated again and again.

      1. Spanner1960 25 Sep 2011, 1:29pm

        At what point did I say “Don’t do anything?”
        People need to be educated, not punished.

        1. Prosecuting/punishing those responsible for his bullying is a form of education. It teaches people that if they behave in a certain way, they will pay for it with their freedom. So therefore they are being educated by being prosecuted.
          You are a bit hypocritical in your comments. From one story to the next, your morals do not match. You seem to want to let off the homophobes all the time – wether they be homophobic preachers or bullies and then you judge gay guys as being stupid and something to fear. It’s as if you are homophobic and you don’t even know it. IMO.

          1. Jock S. Trap 25 Sep 2011, 3:05pm

            Good comment Kyle and Oh so true!!

        2. David Myers 27 Sep 2011, 7:51am

          As Kyle says, prosecuting is part of that education. But the education must go beyond punishment and include pro-active teaching such as the “Roots of Empathy” program that takes babies into kindergarden classes and safely gets the young children to interact with the babies and asks them to interpret what they think the babies are thinking/feeling. This helps the young kids to think from the babys’ perspectives and gives them a clear sense of empathy with the babys. Combine this early training with discussions and learning sessions that focuss on how people feel in various circumstances including being ridiculed and made fun of, and you have the makings of a significant learning situation all through school (backed by a zero tolerance of bullying mentality). This zero tolerance, always takes action when bullying occurs but not necessarily by kicking kids out of school. It should include restoritive justice. (where the perpetrators have to undo the hurt they’ve created and show evidence of true remorse).

  17. Very sad to watch that video. Revenge on the bullies is not the answer, getting the message through in schools about LGBT issues is the right thing to do. Then, at least people understand. Granted, there are some parents that claim they do not want their kids to learn about LGBT issues, but,… I’m sorry,. Until this happens, these kind of things will sadly continue. it has to stop, and it has to stop NOW.

    1. Jock S. Trap 25 Sep 2011, 8:04am

      Since when has justice meant revenge?
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      Education may well be key but to some this kind of behaviour is acceptable and if we say ‘oh well they’re only children’ then how do we stop this happening again and again.
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      Doesn’t Jamey Rodemeyer, and the rest that have suffered, deserve justice or are we to just let it continue punished? As I said before, what message does that send out?

      1. Jock S. Trap 25 Sep 2011, 1:03pm

        Oops did of course mean ‘continue unpunished’.

  18. Everyone failed this kid from his parents on down. Did his parents know this was happening? What did they do to help? Maybe they didn’t know, but if I were a parent I think – or hope – I would be paying more attention to what is happening. My teenage nieces are on FB and the entire family is friends with them partially to monitor what is going on in their social network world.

    Did the school know? Were the bully’s parents contacted? This comes from more sources than just the kids – it is a reflection of a failed support system.

  19. This is the nations problems coming from the abuses of bigotry and racism, from hate religions and hate organizations, children would not even do this on their own unless adults was filling the heads andf brainwashing others into sowing kaos and harrassment and abuses onto others , the klan man that was arrested for murder of minority, said he was programed by hate religions and republican bigots apart of the klan as thier leaders who handed down orders to them as children and thru out their lives to go out and harm others because they simpley told them to do so, he said none of the people bigots mureder are harrass had ever done any thng to them , it was just an evil influence from other evil sources repeating evil character brainswashed people this movie coming out about the skinhead who denounced the klan and cleaned up his live and refused to walk in hatred for the klan anymore is going to be a good move for the young adults as well, de progamming hate and violence, the monsters

  20. This nation is going to have to install voices of peace and goodwill missionaries across the airwaves, like mother theresa, an advocate for humanity and humanitarianism , the Pope and his bigoted sex assault riddled dioces and the Archbishop needs to be removed, and more humane and civil peace keeping lady missionaries of love and kindness needs to tour the world speaking love and kindness to and in schools and into the media, these other men are a disgrace for the abuses they have done in society themselves and the insttution they are in, and the other for the evils of hatred causing other to provoke hatred and violence , this is not angelic, the pope nor the archbishop has the right to to even tell other churchs to launch discsriminations in their own individual churches , most of the catholics are equal right people and their are gay spanish priest because one is my friend, i spoke with and reassured me that many catholics have been installing equal rights minitris for gay cathlics

  21. What a gorgeous boy.

    So, so sad. :-(

  22. charging children for this is too heavy handed. As someone’s already said, by all means expell them and punish them severely but bringing the law into it is too much.
    It could cause a negative backlash which will not help the gay community in any way. Children bully and pick on students that they perceive to be weaker. This should be dealt with within the school system rather than the law. I think that those in positions of responsibility at the school should also take some of the heat because as far as i’ve read, the school had been made well aware of the situation and had failed to react.
    It is the responsibility of the school to deal with such situations as they unfold and make sure that other students realise that their actions/behaviour and attitudes are unacceptable. Left to their own devices, there will always be bullying within groups of young teenagers and children. Fact.

    1. The school is partially responsible, yes. But aren’t the bully kids’ parents much more to blame, along with public figures that not only condone but advocate this type of behavior. The schools are supposed to be educating the students, not teaching them morality. They can reinforce good behavior, but it is up to parents, family, religious groups, and the community as a whole to show that respectful behavior is not only desirable, but expected.

    2. Yes these kids need to be punish and YES the law should be brought into this not only to punish them and teach them a moral lesson also to make an example!! This is such a tragic story it breaks my heart that this beautiful boy who had sooo much to look forward to lost his life due to ignorance and stupidity!! The whole system failed this boy!!! And those kids who were responsible as well as school system need to be held accountable for this.

  23. Chloe Could Dinan 25 Sep 2011, 3:19am

    Calling all Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgenders and Transsexuals Of the world unite My Brothers and Sisters and take to the streets in a blazing path of destruction in order to get the rights and freedoms we deserve. For far to long our kind been treated as inferior and worthless It is now our time to rise and show them at we are not inferior!!! Make no Mistake, They are trying to wipe us out just because they see us as not normal.

    THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A REVOLUTION!!!!!

    Fight for our Existence!!!!

  24. Chloe Cloud D 25 Sep 2011, 3:23am

    Calling all Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgenders and Transsexuals Of the world unite My Brothers and Sisters and take to the streets in a blazing path of destruction in order to get the rights and freedoms we deserve. For far to long our kind been treated as inferior and worthless It is now our time to rise and show them at we are not inferior!!! Make no Mistake, They are trying to wipe us out just because they see us as not normal.

    THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A REVOLUTION!!!!!

    Fight for our Existence!!!!

    1. Jock S. Trap 25 Sep 2011, 10:35am

      They’ve been trying for centuries but since we’ve been around since the dawn of time I doubt they’ll get far.

    1. thank you for that. Some of the comments below it made me want to scream though- even if they dont like gays have they never heard of respect for the dead? sickening.

  25. I understand both points about prosecuting the bullies. I agree with a two-fold plan.

    I would personally prosecute the bullies. This would not be for revenge or to make an example of them but because it’s the right thing to do. It’s about justice ultimately and the reason why this hits home because it could have easily been any of us. This kids deserves justice, and so do the others who have died in such a tragic way.

    However, what is needed is education and legal protection. There are too many parts of the States (and elsewhere) that are ignorant. The teachers need to be educated, the parents need to be educated too.

    In addition anti-discrimination laws need to be enforced at FEDERAL LEVEL.

    It’s a long road and the US is as backward as it comes – but THIS is what justice is about. Removing the bad and replacing it with the good. We owe it to him.

  26. Bryan J Allen 26 Sep 2011, 2:36pm

    If there is any justice left those responsible for Jameys suicide,should be charged and held accountable for what their actions resulted in-the loss of a young persons life!

    As I mentioned in the original article my thoughts are with jameys family and friends.

    Also surely those campaigners should have known that any young person putting up a video clip would leave them more vunerable to further bullying and abuse.
    It was heart wrenching to watch!

  27. Mary Flying Eagle 26 Sep 2011, 10:07pm

    SAD day in my heart, Bless this dear boy’s beautiful spirit, in our hearts ,now to morn,another senseless death, spurred on under the lash of hate.YES, these, and other bullies Must be purnished, Bullies of Any Age are dangerous, must be stopped.
    I ask all lesbian/gay, youth, elders, those at risk in our community.”Do not give the bigots what they seek,(Our sorrow, and death) Get revenge by living, long,and well, You were born as you are, embrace
    your miracle self, you are a loved child of your Creator. Celebrate yourself.”
    Bl;essings..May We Walk In Beauty

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