Faking b’stards I hope they get caught and given a proper sentence. These thugs have been given licence to attack us London is becomming a gay free zone
Agreed , london is not a gay friendly city unlike what some bubble media would like the naive members of public to believe. Anyhow, the only shock in this instance, is that he was’nt shanked and there is another homophobic murder in central london.
What city is “gay-friendly” in its entirety, in your opinion?
Sitges, though not exactly a city its a decent size and considering how under the cosh Spain was with the Catholic Church it amazes me how tolerant the locals are there. London sucks the big one these days.
Sitges, pop (2009) 27,000, is by no stretch of the imagination a city and is, moreover, a town reliant on tourism, much of it gay tourism – hardly surprising, since the locals’ livelihoods depend on it, that they’re tolerant, is it?
Well dawww Rehan, if you’d read my post you would see I said it wasn’t a city. Why the hating on Sitges? Did the locals think your fat saggy ass was one crime too many against decency?
I am not naive and have lived in London, and am in town these days several times each month overnight. I personally have never been attacked. I have never experienced homophobic abuse. I am not aware of any friends being assaulted due to their orientation. Yes, some aspects of verbal abuse but low level (not that this makes it acceptable in any way, shape or form). I appreciate this is not everyones experience. I would argue both sides of the argument are polarised (me by my experience of a welcoming, friendly and accepting city of LGBT people and others coloured by their experience of their own or others assaults, abuse etc). Sometimes, its not the frequency or reality of crime that is the problem, its the (rightly or wrongly) disproportionate (albeit understandable) reaction to a limited number of events that engenders a fear of crime.
That James! is not me its some imbicile whose feelings I must of hurt
Well dawww, James! [imposter], if you read my post you would have seen my query was about cities.
I have nothing against Sitges, charming little place, though unfortunately it also clearly attracts ‘saggy’ asses (and, since I’m not American, arses) like you.
Tel Aviv. I’ve travelled all over the world, and never, ever been in a city where I felt so safe. Despite the fact that it really is a late-night, hard-drinking party city, there was no sign of the casual violence one would normally expect. There’s really not that much in terms of gay bars, etc. but a clear sign of how safe it was, was the number of gay men and lesbians to be seen holding hands, kissing etc. One might see something like that in the Castro or Soho, but in Tel Aviv it was all over.
Not like that in Soho anymore. Have you not heard? The bars refuse gay men who show affection to their male partners and the gay community has to organise kiss-ins to try and deal with the prejudice and homophobia. Yes, kiss-ins. Whereas any other group of people who have been maltreated by society would protest and kick ass we flounce about and have a big kiss off in public. Ooooh that’ll teach ‘em boys, now kiss me Hardy.
Thank you for that, EDL Supporter. Yet wasn’t it in Tel Aviv that a gay centre was attacked by a gunman 2 years ago, a crime still unsolved?
My point is simply that it’s very easy to overreact to single incidents. No-one’s denying this particular one was barbaric and depressing, but the very fact that so many of us are shocked (as opposed to inured, as we might have been 20 years ago) surely says something?
So true, it is very obvious the lack of gay affection outside of old compton street, as if the gay populace are terrified to even hold hands in london, outside of one street in soho, very sad.
Again, not my experience …
I have held hands with boyfriends on the south bank, in hyde park, in croydon, in chiswick, on the underground, on the strand etc etc I have snogged in victoria station and on the south bank and elsewhere … All without problem, and sometimes with enthusiasm from others (including some str8 couples on occasion).
I have also seen many gay couples holding hands across London, apparently without incident, in places as diverse as bayswater, acton, camberwell, finchley and hackney.
Maybe I am just a little more observant
Agree Stu, not my experience of central London at all.
Absolutely. Hope they are caught and justice is done and seen to be done.
Unfortunately it matches my experience of central London more or less exactly and I’m not surprised. When I first went I believed all the hype about this haven of tolerance and acceptance – it’s far from that!
Other major cities I’ve been fine with, but not London, Leeds can be a bit iffy too aswell as Birmingham. (My opinion which obviously may not be other people’s).
In my opinion as a native of Manchester (who’s endured hideous backwards attitudes whilst temporarily living elsewhere for a few years – think rural Middle England – several south of Birmingham where you’ll even be stared at and pointed at in a car, on a train, even throuhg your own window in the house withe eye popping astonishment and jaw dropping disbelief when you walk into a shop ) – I think there’s a reason why Manchester has been recently voted the most gay friendly place in the world – but some people may think otherwise which is fair enough – all depends what you’re used to, expect and find acceptable.
I’m not going to decry your experience, because that is clearly what you have gone through.
I will start by agreeing with you that Manchester is pretty gay friendly. Is it the most gay friendly place in the world? Not sure, it would have stiff competition with a number of other cities I could name – Berlin, San Fransisco, Sydney, Auckland, Madrid etc etc
The only place in the UK that I personally have experienced any homophobia of any significance was in Glasgow. I know others who agree with me regarding Glasgow being a bad experience and others who have had profoundly different experiences there. I have always found myself not tolerated but accepted in London. I do not suggest it is perfect (I know it is far from it). I also have had no hassles in Birmingham.
Everyones experience will be different but many people have little (if any) contact in their lifetimes with issues such as this horrendous assault other than reading of it in the media.
It is such a shame that we still live in a society where such ignorance and violence still has a place. I hope those poor guys are ok and that they don’t allow those cowards to win. Just always be aware stay safe and take care x
I hope the police put more effort into investigating and prosecuting this homophobic attack than they did for the anti-gay posters in East London. Although waiting nearly two months before asking for witnesses gives some indication of their level of commitment to fight homophobic crime.
I wish I was hard. I’d love to be bale to kick the shlt out of someone if they attacked me. The guy sticking up for his mate/boyfreind on the floor looked brave to have fought back.
Kyle – if you were “hard” or looked it these cowards wouldn’t attack you. I recall when I was bullied and beaten at school by the homophobic bullies they always came in packs for three or more. Never a one on one.
Yea coz they’re f*kin cowards..they don’t either have the courage to fight one on one..or they’re too coward to admit that they’re gay & are hatin & jealous of those who’re able to & have the courage to be who they are. Guess it’s time to carry a knife..coz if cowards like these don’t have the courage to attack from the front then they might as well have a knife in their back & the front.
WOW eassy tigger …!
“Carry a knife” are you for real I understand you want to deffend / portect your self BUT you would be making a HUGE mistake to carry a knife or any other weapon
You may think it is naff but really think about self defence classes They work and have worked for me
I know im lucky as i do not live in London anymore The only time i have had any trouble has been in London What more can i say ?
Carrying any type of weapon is senseless. If there’s more than two of them against you and you’re untrained they’re going to get that weapon off of you – and when they do…
The best thing you can do is run if you’re outnumbered – it’s not cowardly, it’s sensible. Learn to defend yourself at least a little too – just in case you need to give yourself some time to get away.
Carry a knife and you risk a prison sentence yourself. Also the knife may be taken from you and used against you. Really not a good idea. Stay safe, when out don’t get so drunk as to make yourself vulnerable. Budget for a cab home from your night out or leave places with other people.
Most people in uk carrying knives are not getting prison sentences like what was promised under bloody labour and under this shower , early release from holiday camp is inevitable ,so you must be dreaming to assume there is a deterrant.
You don’t need to be hard if you have a weapon, pepper spray or spray paint in the face for example. But the first rule is to avoid getting attacked in the first place, and the second is to run away if you can.
This sort of attack will continue until the Met take anti-gay hate crime seriously
Which they don’t. When I reported a homophobic attack that occurred in my home in East London, I was told by the police officer who took my call that I was “being hysterical”. The Met can make all the “right noises” and (to borrow from Bob Monkhouse) it’s as convincing as Madonna saying “ouch” on her wedding night.
No they don’t. I went to Islington police station a few years ago to complain about a homophobic assault and I wasn’t believed and was spoken to very rudely by the sergeant on the desk.
I think the problem is not that some Met officers do not take homophobic hate crime seriously, because some clearly do – and I have knowledge of some very well handled cases (from a professional context). The problem is more of a lack of consistency in home these matters are handled and poor handling by some front-line officers. This may well be despite clear guidelines in the organisation detailing how such incidents should be handled. There needs to be more consistency in terms of good practice in how hate crime is responded to, investigated and managed (including audit of the quality of service being provided). This is a failing of the Met – but they have the capability of putting this right if they will identify the good practice, audit the quality of handling of all hate crime, be prepared to learn, disseminate good practice and seek to support and build confidence in the communities.
It is always worth taking the time to find your local Gay Liasion officer in these events. I agree you shouldn’t have to but if it’s to be taken seriously sadly it has to be done.
There should be a protocol where LAGLO’s are automatically involved, automatically co-ordinate or automatically review all homophobic hate crime … or potentially homophobic crime
Good Luck with that….you are right but I don’t think it will happen with cops anywhere….in many ways we are on our own.
Nail the bastards with impunity and if they’re underage, their parents too.
rethinking our plans to visit London
Don’t come to london , its a dump , full of feral , homophobic youths who do what they want. If you are attacked here don’t expect any justice for the victim.
I don’t see why rapture should be getting red arrowed for his comment. He’s writing the truth. This city gets progressively worse on a weekly basis. Every f–king week there’s a story on Pink News about anti gay violence and when we suggest the city is going to the dogs we get all the marys and queens living in their Soho bubble saying its a f-king mecca for tolerance and a great city. Its not, its a dive populated with feral scum. When the city centre is the venue for attacks on gay men; Ian Bayham, Philip Sallon and now this current guy we need to do something about it. If the scum of London can get up in arms about the gun toting taxi driver who was shot in August then why can’t we fight back en masse? F-king kiss-ins and flash mob events do f–k all to help a cause.
You sad person I know I’m popular why don’t you be yourself? We might like you but probably not
Hopefully the imposter will get bored. It’s very sad.
This city gets progressively worse on a weekly basis
So in your opinion things are worse in London now than they were in, say, 1990? Funny, that wasn’t my experience.
Oh go sit on your fist Rehan or is it Rehab? Your verbal diarrohea is as stomach turning as your avatar.
Thank you James! [imposter] for so ably demonstrating your debating capacities.
I had a great time in London in the 1990s more than now but of course now we have Gay press like pinknews online so guess we’re bound to hear more than 20 years ago.
These people thinking london is so tolerant to lgbt must have very low standards and expectations of what respect they are worthy of. I’m not passive like that lot fortunately .
Of course you’re right, and tens of thousands of people are not only wrong, they’re disadvantaged by the lack of your elevated sense of self-respect.
Guess you would think that if you took 2 or 4 people to speak for 7million.
tens of thousands, millions of people supporting an idea does not make it correct , unless of course you are a sheep who cannot formulate your own view.
Neither is my experience of London the negative biased version that you promulgate, nor am I blind to some horrendous incidents on the streets of London. I do regard myself as having high standards and expectations and regularly seek to ensure LGBT rights are advanced. Your cynical and stereotyped view of people who believe you to be wrong and have a different and more positive experience is ignorant and inaccurate.
Don’t bother, Stu – rapture has unique insight, and anyone who doesn’t think as he does is a sheep. ‘Nuff said.
London is certainly not a dump – why do you think it’s one of the world’s most visited cities in the world? I do however think the Police need to do something urgent about the rise in attacks around this part of central London. Attacks on gay men are happening all around the world, like in NYC and other cities in the U.S – it’s a global problem, unfortunately.
Totally agree with that Bob, good comment.
There is no truth in scaremongering. No he is not telling the truth. He is whipping us hysterica for the sake of it.
So one incident gets reported out of thousands, millions of good things. Since when has good news sold? The media has itself to blame really for creating fear but it is up to us what we see and believe.
Yeah if only the press reported the thousands of good things that happen in London each day.
This is still a safe city which has the same idiots as any other place. You only hear the worst not often the good but contray to believe there isn’t a crime happening on each street corner. These incidents are still rare but yes no comfort to those attacked. London is no different from other places it just happens to be the capital city so tends to get more press coverage.
rapture – seriously if you hate the city so much why not do yourself a favour (and the rest of us) and move. There is nothing stopping you.
I have moved, thankfully for me, you can wallow in your scum encrusted, urban living, false pride..
Wow, bitter much?
Ah … so your opinion is a historic and outdated one … thought so …
Bitter of two old queens, who live their lives on pink news hardly! one who also left london, surprising as he loves it soo much, his actions say it all.
Hardly live my life on here. In fact this last week is the first time I have been on for a couple of months. As for old, probably not as old as you with the depressing, narrow minded views you seem to have.
Be kind to rapture Stu, he’s trying hard to be a bitter old miseryguts and is doing really well at what he once said is age 26 (in which time he also claims to have lived in 11 – or was it 13? – London boroughs, which may well indicate a reason for his hatred of the town).
@ Eugene: one homophobic attack, recorded on CCTV and publicised, makes you rethink a visit, yet all the coverage of the recent riots didn’t?
I lived in London until January for 4 years and personally never had any problems. I also have never seen any significant homophobia (whilst none is acceptable, every city has some drunken idiots who will say things that are inappropriate). I believe despite some notable and high profile incidents that the vast majority of LGBT people who live in, work in, socialise in or visit London have a great time with no issues regarding their orientation. Others will disagree with me, but the facts, stats, and many peoples experience are not the negative, depressing, unrepresentative experiences that they seem to delight in celebrating. London is a friendly city to most LGBT people.
Yobbo Britain, is anyone surprised? Four against 2, and starting on a man with his back turned? What absolute pusswipes. Why is this CCTV footage being released in September when it happened August 9th?
Took the words right out of my mind set! Yes, just why have the MET waited so long to release this CCTV? It took place AUG 9th. CCTV released SEPT 21st! The guys that committed this must have thought, ‘Got away with that…lets do some more!’ If it takes over 6 weeks to find and release local CCTV footage of a vicious homophobic attack in the centre of London, then it does’nt say alot for the METs ‘commitment to fighting homophobic crime!’
There may be poor reasons such as a lack of commitment to homophobic crime etc etc …
It could be for genuine reasons eg waiting for enhancement of CCTV, those with evidence eg bus companies refusing to cooperate, following other leads which were expected to bring a result and for which for the integrity of the investigation there was reason to not seek publicity …
Don’t jump to conclusions that it is due to the service not caring or not being committed to a result
It could be because there arent enough officers too ….
I hope these scum get the maximum sentence when they are caught.
I am glad this was caught on CCTV. So often I have hear of various assaults on lesbian, gay or transsexual people and nothing is done due to lack of evidence. Also police always seem to think that there is a build up to these assaults, where’as this clearly shows the nature of the out of the blue attacks that do occur all to often against unsuspecting victims.
This is the kind of thing they teach people in Christian and Muslim churches to kill gays. This is clearly a hate crime and these people need to be caught and brought to justice. Keep showing the criminals who think they can get away with it a exposing them and someone will know who they are and they can be caught before they kill somebody.
Who are the people that are walking past ?
If you watch the cctv top right hand corner you can see people walking past ….
Don’t you just feel proud to be Londoners !!!
I would love to say I would instantly fly to the defence of people being beaten up, but I think if what appears to be a street brawl suddenly flares up at 1.30am one’s first instinct is to not get involved, especially if outnumbered. Sometimes these things happen so quickly that it’s hard to tell at first if there are victims or if it’s just a fight.
For all we know, the people we see apparently walking past came back and offered help afterward – the clip is very short, after all.
Disgusting that this is happening, yet again in Central London because of small minded thugs. They need to be caught and locked away, away from doing any more harm.
It is worrying that in Westminster, homophobic crimes are on the increase. This needs to be stop with the harshest of punishment to show this behaviour is Not acceptable.
I note the unsurprising absence of the apologist people like Spanner who only make issue of homophobic crimes when it is done but anyone black or asian.
I suspect because these thugs were White we won’t hear anything from them because somehow it makes a difference. Though I’d like the like of Spanner to explain to the victims hear why is makes such a difference.
Have you seen close up images from this cctv to assume the attackers are all white? or are you just making the suggestion on quick clip black and white cctv? or have the met’s profile description?
you can see that there white from the CCTV that much is quite clear
Quite racist of you to assume the attacker is white? as in night vision black and white cctv, that is not distinguished.
Actually they showed on BBC London news and it was clear that they were white ‘chavs’.
Stop discriminating and see the facts for a change. I know you don’t like facts but hey, they still remain so.
@jock, I’ve seen the clip on crimewatch , still difficult to assume the racial profiling,. Clearly you are so ignorant that you assume perhaps black and white footage is definite of all racial profiling.
Actually I think it’s more likely your the same as Spanner and only want to make issue if the attackers were black or asian. Because the attackers were clearly white you somehow wish to ignore it because it doesn’t suit you racist agenda. No wonder you had problems.
Jock is fighting on behalf of the black community cause he’s getting poked by his hung black boyfriend (his words) on a nightly basis, I’d call his attitude ‘positive discrimination’ but Jock just calls it sh-gging.
Oh dear, changed your name again I see. Funny though you can change your name but the content stays the same. As usual you bring nothing.
Clearly adult discussions are not your strongest point.
Really? you sure dear? Me thinks they’re your words for some kind of very dull affect.
No recollection of Jock S Trap ever discussing the size of his partners genitals …. me thinks you exaggerate somewhat … perhaps thats because you never let the truth mean anything in your comments. Your insidious and demented comments are risible and contrast against the thought provoking comments that Jock S Trap makes.
If I’m honest Stu and If I’m not mistaken I’d have to say, it’s sounds like a little Tom is a bit jealous… To make up that load of tripe he clearly has issues.
They do it because they assume gays are easy targets.
If we made ourselves a little less ‘friendly’ and gave back as good as we get then things would change.
Disgusting cowards. I prescribe several years in a small cell to reflect on better models of conduct. Will they get them?
This just screams straight pride.
The unfortunate thing is, I am not suprised that there is little done about this attack.
as a trans-woman, I was once attacked in a bar. Luckily I only sustained a couple of bumps, nothing serious as far as injuries were concerned.
However, the police who arrived at the scene took the other guys statement first, brushing through my account in super quick time. Also, he said “I’m here to protect all parties. He (the attacker) wont press charges if you dont”.
I couldnt help but feel that i was given the brush off with that remark. Only when i asked for the officers name and the number to the local police station did he actually take me seriously.
On top of that, I am now banned from the bar as im a “trouble maker”, even tho all other staff and whitnesses saw him attack me, unprevoked.
Personal account aside, it is a mockery to see crimes such as this (the one in the video) go unchecked.
As someone pointed out, why has it taken six weeks for this footage and appeals for information
May I ask which bar you were in? I once had some idiot shout at me to ‘be a man’. Whatever he meant by that, I’m not sure. I think he would have said it to anyone, but it did make me very uncomfortable as I never expected trouble in a gay bar. But I suppose even a homophobe can pass.
I’m so glad my partner and I moved out of London. It’s simply risky being out after 8pm. You just can’t feel safe. No wonder you don’t see anybody over 50 down in the tube late at night.
That’s cause all the oldies in London are in the Quebec pub trying it on with the disinterested Brazilian bar boys.
I did not post this nonsense. And please learn English, fake ‘Riondo’. You mean ‘uninterested’. ‘Disinterested’ means ‘impartial’.
Yet again it seems PinkNews fail to act on name hijacking while instead opt for frustrating updated comment pages.
I would have rather things stayed the same and they sorted out the problem of jerks and there hijacking.
I thought it wasn’t the sort of comment (or mistake) you’d make, Real Riondo!
No wonder you don’t see anybody over 50 down in the tube late at night.
For heaven’s sake, what part of London did you live in? I took the Tube last Saturday night at nearly midnight (after a party in the country) with a woman friend who’s pushing 70 who went on to Kennington without feeling in the slightest bit afraid. In my clubbing days I frequently took the last Tube down to Vauxhall and never once had the slightest bit of trouble.
Exactly, even knowing what I’ve been through I don’t feel any more scared of London than I did 20 years ago. I used to walk home at 2 in the morning and still would if it were possible.
LOL They guys who got beat up have good afro’s
There was a spate of these attacks happening in Dublin a few years back. About a thousand or so gays held a lunchtime protest and marched to the police station. The police eventually increased visibility around gay venues and went undercover, its not a gay bashing free zone but it definitely made a different. I hardly ever see police around Charing Cross late at night and there’s been numerous reported gay bashing attacks around the area. The other problem is the mainstream media are not picking this up in the same way as if it were a race hate crime.
Why is this happening?
It’s such a worry. The police are so useless, it makes me sick – uniformed homophobes, the lot of them!
I will not let anyone or anything attack my status as a gay guy. I love my city, but something needs to be done about this.
Absolutely Sick!!! We all know that homophobes are the biggest gays of all. They are so ashamed that they are gay that they take it out on other gay people. I would love to know how they would feel if a sibling came out as gay or in the future they had children who were gay. Get with the times you fools and stop living in the passed.
Time we saw this on Crimewatch – and surely there will be close-up screen-freezes available so we can see the faces clearly?
Tbh I would welcome that kind of action. It will promote public awareness that such hate does STILL happen against the LGBT community, and with any luck, someone may know who they are and do the right thing by pointing them out
It’s horrible that this has happened. My concern is for the welfare of the two guys who were attacked. I really hope they’re ok.
But then, it is up to us look after ourselves and one another. The police can only act upon crime – but we as a community can aim to cut it or prevent it.
Learn to look after yourself (go out and get some self-defence lessons). It may end up saving your skin even if it just buys you some time against a group of momentarily surprised assailants to run.
If there’s more than two and you can’t take them on then run. Do NOT carry weapons because if you do stab someone you’ll get arrested. If they get it off of you, they’ll use it on you.
We as the LGBT community need to take a stand. We need to write to our commissioners and our police chiefs to see what’s actually being done to curb homophobic hate crime?
Going all vigilante will achieve nothing but your own arrest…or death!
Absolutely sensible and balanced response!
There are immense risks with vigilante action
We need to support the police by reporting matters (if they don’t know about the crime, they can’t act on it). We need to hold the police to account, that means constructively telling them when they get things wrong and also encouraging them when they get it right.
Self defence is such as good idea.
We need to work with the police, politicians other criminal justice agencies, etc to find a better solution. We also need to take a stand and say hate crime will never be tolerated. We also need to take ownership of the problem and accept that we need to work to reduce hate crime, we can’t expect it all to be done for us.
Something needs to be done about these
thugs. We need the police to do get off the back ends and start making arrest.
We need to consistently tell the police about such events first …
I completely agree. If we keep reporting them (even if the go unsolved/ unchased) then the statistics will be on record.
NOBODY will be able to ignore a huge increase of reported attacks if we all report them. Statistics in time will follow public outcry, I fully support the idea of all of us reportning these crime as and when they happen (ok, in a perfect world, we will not need to report anything).
If we keep hammering to the police that these attacks keep happening, eventually they cannot ignore it.
If the police are told about all such incidents then the issue of the police not being aware is not an excuse the police can use for any failures in dealing with the issue