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US military gay ban ends today

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  1. Jock S. Trap 20 Sep 2011, 10:22am

    About bloomin time the US showed respect to it’s armed forces.

  2. About time. And this will serve as another attack on DOMA and marriage equality – as it stands now military personnel can marry in 7 (is it 8 now?) states and do not have federal partner benefits recognised. I can see that this will be another piece of leverage for equality. Add in the Prop 8 hearings, the Golinski case, the Windsor case, the Department of Justice no longer defending DOMA on constitutional grounds…it is an assault on many fronts. It is right and proper that they can no longer lose their career (how odd that many were “outed” just before they were due to retire and receive the benefits they had sacrificed for) and can now live the authentic life that they try to guarantee to others (you can appreciate the soldiers while still disliking the orders they receive). Some in the GOP are talking about re-instating DADT if they take the White House/Congress in 2012, US citizens who believe in equality must be mindful and vigilant still.

  3. Troops need training to adjust to this? Like what?
    Haven’t they ever met gay people before?

    1. How to deal with gay and lesbian soldiers. Clearly, it’s more horrific than seeing dead bodies everywhere..

      Honestly, all they need to be told is “treat your fellow soldier with respect”.

    2. Staircase2 20 Sep 2011, 5:53pm

      I think its entirely appropriate that troops are trained in diversity – after all up til now their bosses have been telling them that gay people are to be despised – they need to now address that properly

      1. One of the main reasons the repeal was fought so viciously by some was not because of anything to do with the military, but because if people know their fellow soldiers are gay and realise they’re just like other people, then this would help “normalise” gay people in society, as they put it, rather than being able to use them as bogey men all the time.

        So diversity training probably is necessary, given the very deliberate promotion of ignorance and lies about gays in the US.

  4. wahooo! its a good day for gay rights today, and i’m glad that rediculous ban is finally gone for good :D xx

  5. Another step in the right direction! Great. Now, others in the military might need a little bit of cognitive therapy to overcome the perceptions they may have of having a gay fellow officer in the ranks next to them, or in the bunk below.

  6. Another issue to be addressed is the fact that gay American military couples aren’t allowed to have a marriage or a civil union performed while on active duty. I wonder if they’re allowed to bring their spouses to live with them on base, just like straight couples?

    What is the situation in our own military regarding CPs? Are we permitted to enter into one while serving. Who in the military is responsible for for that?

    1. MommieDammit 20 Sep 2011, 5:00pm

      Robert – our U.S. military personnel could ALWAYS get married or have a C.U., whether on active duty or not. They could NOT, however, use base facilities to perform the ceremony – and still can’t, where SSM is illegal. Until DOMA is repealed their spouses can’t live on base, in military housing, or use the PX, or gain any of the other spousal benefits – including pension or survivor’s benefits.

      While I applaud the repeal of DADT, I also realize that all it means is that LGBT soldiers can die for EXXON and Halleburton, but don’t have to stay in the closet while doing so.

    2. Staircase2 20 Sep 2011, 5:54pm

      There was a case not that long ago of someone in the Queens Guard I think who was getting married to his partner (civil partnership)

    3. John Clark 20 Sep 2011, 7:39pm

      You can indeed enter into a CP in the UK military and it is treated the same as an opposite sex “marriage”, with regard to entitlements, allowances and benefits.

      The above may answer some of your questions.

  7. Spanner1960 20 Sep 2011, 1:50pm

    I seriously actually wonder if it is going to make a jot’s bit of difference.

    It’s not like men are going to suddenly come mincing out of barracks with leather chaps and feather boas. I seriously think it will be one almighty anti-climax and people will say “I’m gay”, and get the reply “Yeah? So what?”

  8. Don’t know if any of you have seen this, but this young man in the military has been chronicling his coming out progress on his YouTube channel for the past several months. Yesterday, he decided to take the fnal step by showing his face and calling his Dad. The video he posted has already recieved over 10,000 viewings in one day and it’s worth a watch:

    1. Bless him! He is a great guy. I particularly liked his ‘It gets better’ video, I thought that was very well done. (It is so very important to communicate to the youngsters that there is life and a big future beyond the little world they live in as they grow up. I hope all of the IGB videos pass on hope and optimism.)

      But I bet he never realised how much attention he would get (MSNBC showed a clip too, blimey), it must be rather overwhelming. I wish him well.

    2. Dana I saw the video a few minutes ago! So worth watching his initial nerves and his reward “Love you son! No matter what!” words so many would love to have heard when coming out! Finally this incredibly brave young man can breathe with relief!

  9. Miguel Sanchez 20 Sep 2011, 4:19pm


    I heard on the Today Show (a new show on NBC here in the states) where a military man (don’t remember what branch he’s serving in) married his long time partner who also happens to be in the military too.

  10. This should have been done early in 2009 when there was a Democratic Congress. Instead the Obama White House put all kinds of roadblocks in the way – two surveys, classes for the troops, meetings with committees, etc. The final repeal didn’t even address the possibility of discrimination or hate-crimes against gays. There is still a lot of work to do toward obtaining equality for gays in the U.S. military. When it comes to getting gay rights, Obama is just a side-step away from the homophobes in the Republican Party.

    1. David Myers 21 Sep 2011, 7:52am

      Wrong! Obama kept his promise. See my comment below.

  11. jessiepeace 21 Sep 2011, 12:35am

    All is good and it’s about time.
    But training? How do you train to adjust a person to another person when all people are the same?
    Train them to stop killing civilians who have no involvement in the war who are just trying survive like you and me.

  12. God Bless America, now America needs to free all LGBT people to get married in America like the rest of the America people and get and keep decent jobs and adopt and more. Like any great Civil rights movement we have a long way to go to get equality and the same rights as all Americans which have been denied for too long. Even longer than the African Americans. Set my people free, all of my people America.

  13. For any one interested here is a pod cast of a CBC documentary relating to three personal experiences during DADT.

  14. David Myers 21 Sep 2011, 7:46am

    This is truly something to celebrate and no matter how long it took – to do it the right way (by legislation, not by Presidential decree – which can easily be undone by another president or through legislation) – you have to give Obama credit for fulfilling his promise.

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