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  1. Well, there only 5000 years behind the ancient Greek Army. Not bad!

  2. Don’t talk, just kiss!

  3. jamestoronto 16 Sep 2011, 12:43pm

    Finally! The US military and Congress is taking the first big step towards redressing a grave violation of basic civil rights. They still have a ways to go such as provisions for spouses but the important first step is about to happen. Tuesday will be interesting for news watching.

    Welcome to the 21st century.

  4. Jock S. Trap 16 Sep 2011, 12:45pm

    About bloomin time too!!

  5. Good that the ban is coming to an end as it was pathetic, moronic, stupid and bigoted..

    I do hope that most LGBT people refuse to ever consider signing up to the US Army as it is such an incredibly negative influence on the world.

    The illegal Iraq War has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians to allow the US and the west to gain access to oil.

    The US Army was the main agent of this illegal war.

    Being a US soldier means pledging allegiance to an organisation whose main job is to control acces to natural resources in foreign lands,

    1. Miguel Sanchez 16 Sep 2011, 2:27pm

      David, obviously you’ve never been in the military. First, this hasn’t been declared a war, only Congress can declare a war.

      Next, I will agree with you on 1 thing and that is we do need to get our troops home.

      Lastly, if your idea of no one volunteering to enlist is followed, then the military would have no choice but to reinstate the draft.

  6. Please change the photo accompanying the story. Those two are NOT in uniform. If you’re going to run a story about American soldiers, have the courtesy to use actual pictures of them.

    1. Jessica Geen 16 Sep 2011, 2:15pm

      For reasons that I hope are obvious, we would not show the faces of real soldiers.


      1. Robert White 17 Sep 2011, 12:32am

        I think he is (rightly) saying that showing two half-naked muscle boys who happen to be wearing camo-pants, even cropped picture of same just to get the hand-hold plus camo vibe is a tad diminishing.

        Two guys in uniform (faces shown or not), one guy in uniform, or just a random US logo of some sort would be less dismissive than having the “gay street version of sort-of-military pride vibe” as the leader image.

  7. Another Gay Activist Waiting For Equality 16 Sep 2011, 2:06pm

    UCMJ Article 125 Sodomy is still is in force remember.

    Good to see Clinton’s horrible DADT policy getting in the trash bin of history where it belongs. This outdated and silly policy that is getting repealed on Tuesday is long overdue I say.

    About 10,000 soldiers got discharged under that policy and the US federal government own’s them an apology!

    Now DOMA is the next unconsitutional law that defently needs to be repealed by Congress – unfdorthently the Republicans controlled the House now and that law is never going to be repealed now – which makes me question as to why when Obama’s party the Democrats controlled all three levels – why did they not pass the repeal of DOMA at the time when they had their chance back then?

    Now the Democrats complain about the Republicans keeping DOMA – when in fact this law they want to repeal when they had the numbers 2 years ago and had the chance.

    1. David Myers 16 Sep 2011, 11:48pm

      Clearly you are not a student of the American political system or you would know having a majority in the House and the Senate does not guarantee the ability to pass legislation – anymore, thanks to the Republican abuse of the filibuster clause. The filibuster used to halt legislation only as long as the filibusterer could continue standing reading the phone book or whatever to keep talking. Once they quit from exhaustion the vote would take place, or if the majority party could muster 60 votes to invoke closure of the filibuster cutting off debate. This rarely used technique has now been used by the Republicans a record number of times to prevent Democrats from passing anything that the Republican majority in the Senate does not agree with. In fact, now, the Republicans don’t even have to stand up and filibuster to hald legislation – they just have to threaten to do so and the legislation is then withdrawn. Time for filibuster reform.

    2. David Myers 16 Sep 2011, 11:52pm

      Sorry, that should have read “until the Republican minority (not majority) in the Senate does not agree with.” The number of votes need to invoke closure needs ot be reduced (maybe 55?) and/or the requirement that a filibuster actually requires one to hold up legislation by refusing to yield the floor by talking non-stop until exhaustion settles the matter.

  8. It always amazes me that the U.S. military didn’t refuse the help of the British military and others in both wars most of whose militaries allowed openly gay men and women to serve alongside their American counterparts. So much for the nonsense defending DADT and the unit cohesion mantra card the republicans are still playing.

    1. Robert White 17 Sep 2011, 12:39am

      Don’t bother being amazed, Americans are all about our own back yard and what the neighbors will think. Since the average American doesn’t care what any non-American thinks, particularly the cross section of Average America that would ban gay military service, it is irrational to think that the irrationally bigoted would rationally extend their irrational bigotry to others. Its like the whole French who never got upset about anything a Ligonare did or does as long as he holds his post. Americans think of the world as tools to be used.

      The only time “we” care about the policies in other countries is when we pass a bad law, like our Copyright Travesties (the DMCA etc) and then discover they are harming us. We cannot repeal our own laws so our organs of diplomacy kick in to high gear and bully other countries into passing laws worse than ours so that we can fail you all back behind us.

      From that stand point, is in our best interest if foreign people die no matter what their sexuality.

    2. Robert White 17 Sep 2011, 12:41am

      Like I have said before:

      Hey rest of the world! Next time you decide to oust all your religious wackos, _please_ be sure not to send them all to the same place. It weakens the gene pool and you’ll pay for it later.

      I know, I am stuck here in America with these people…

  9. The repeal of DADT is a momentous event, and of course part of an ongoing process.

    We can expect to see signs of an ongoing religious backlash as well.

  10. Although it is good to see DADT repealed, I am somewhat concerned by the Justice Departments drive to have the lawsuit by the log cabin folks thrown out – for once, I fully back the log cabin group: without the law being declared unconstitutional it can be brought back in at any time.

    This makes me concerned this is a publicity move by Obama’s administration – they can happily say “look what did for the gays!” without the far greater opposition they would have faced if they had sought to have it declared unconstitutional. Many opponents of lifting the ban stopped offering more than a token resistance, knowing they could use it as a campaign wedge issue and simply bring the ban back if they win.

    1. David Myers 16 Sep 2011, 11:55pm

      Yes, this is a good point by the Log Cabin Republicans, but you know who would try to re-instate DADT – their own party, the Republicans. This shows they actually know who their opponents really are – the dinosaurs in their own party!

  11. Trish Kirby 17 Sep 2011, 8:02am

    AS far as I can see, the repeal is just a small step towards equality. Even now the military are looking for excuses to get rid of gay personnel.
    I have supported and campaigned for gay equality since the 1960s when I was a teenager, yet I do not believe that I will see real equality in my lifetime.

    1. jamestoronto 17 Sep 2011, 4:39pm

      Real equality will come when all of these postings become needless and redundant.

  12. jamestoronto 17 Sep 2011, 4:38pm

    Will the sickos at Westboro Baptist Church ever have their puny resources spread thin – and lost – now.

    1. @James, FYI

      The protesters are protested! good to see!

  13. Gay Daily Mail Reader 17 Sep 2011, 5:37pm

    When gays were allowed to serve in the British forces many of us expected a backlash from serving personel. Instead the whole thing became a non-issue and our soldiers continue to be the best in the world. After all you’d rather be with a gay soldier who can shoot straight than a straight soldier who keeps missing!

  14. When this law is finally repealed I hope the people responsible for enforcing it have troubled consciences!

    “Mr Wood added that having the law declared unconstitutional could also allow troops fired under the 18-year-old law to claim back pay, reinstatement or a change in discharge status.”

    It is nice to see this discharge issue might also be addressed. Soldiers past and present were discriminated against just for choosing to serve their country regardless of their sexuality! Compensation and change in discharge status is appropriate to remove the unjustifiable disgrace of discharge and earned financial benefit for serving your
    country just because you were outed or dared to be yourself!

  15. Though I was never able to have the honour of serving in the Navy, I am so glad that the era of DADT is coming to an end in the U.S. military. It is past time!

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