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  1. Now this is stupid, now we are beginning to look like bullies instead of just countering them with good arguments…

    This will backfire, like all the other stupid things naive gay activists do on our behalf.

    1. Ignore this troll.

      1. I love being the troll, just like many like to be stupid and drone-like regurgitating the same talking points that were programmed for you to say by your gay controllers…

        yeah really genuine … losers.

        1. “I love being the troll”

          How unsurprising ….

          So in other words … what you are saying is that you love posting inflammatory, off topic messages with the primary intent of provoking others on this forum into an emotional response.

    2. war is peace
      freedom is slavery
      ignorance is strength

    3. Unfortunately I use Paypal. I have however signed the petition. I am pretty sure it will work. We have got other companies to withdraw support from toxic organisations.

      1. That’s not the point, though.

        The point is whether or not this is a GOOD idea worth spending our energy on…

        I mean what IF the AFA demands that paypal do the same to pro-gay companies? All of you would be all up in arms… simply put this is NOT the proper route to go to, this is plain and simple mafia tactics and of course the right wing will use this against us no doubt.

        1. auntie babs 13 Sep 2011, 5:52pm

          If said gay group violated PayPal’s policy which says it prohibits use of its service for “activities that […] promote hate, violence [and] racial intolerance”. then I say they deserve to be got rid of, now go and find pro gay groups that do that.

          1. how about the this forum for starters?

            Since there people on here that say that christians are mentally ill and retarded (including the pro-gay ones) that conservatives should be killed, shot and hanged… that I should kill myself, be raped by group of thugs and whatnot, demanding that the elderly be executed etc,

            What do you think? Are these attributes of a of hate group? Because if they are not, I don’t know what is…

            but of course on PN being hateful against everybody else that is not exactly the same as you is the norm… so is not that surprising that people would say these things.

            If I had the time I would travel to the UK and have the Home Office investigate PN for publishing remarks targeting certain groups, which is against the law in the UK… but nah I have better things to do… and besides I heard Stu is the legal expert around here as he loves threatening people with frivolous lawsuits and what not… yeah, right

            Total hypocrites.

          2. Pepa you don’t seem to understand the difference between a dislike of you and a hate group which is slightly worrying and as for this group it doesn’t receive any money via pay pal so it’s all gravy

    4. Plus I’m fed up with all of these stupid petitions…

      Instead of signing these stupid things why not get out there and DEFEND gay marriage, anti-discrimination, gays in the military ETC… why do we always have to do this circus shows? WHY WHY???

      1. Well petitions go to the government and doesn’t effect public support by becoming an inconvenience to them so I think it’s a pretty good way of going about it to be honest.

        1. Given that the UN feel that sanctions are an appropriate tool to apply pressure in the international arena, then I feel that endorses those seeking to improve things in society to target sanctions in other manners such as this with paypal.

          Of course we could all just sit and debate and talk and not get anywhere – sometimes action has to be taken eg apartheid, stonewall riots, suffragette movement, abolition of slavery etc etc

          For the record, yes, I do associate LGBTQI rights and equality as deserving parity with race equality, sex equality, age equality and religious equality

          For the record, no, equality does not mean identical to – it means having the same value as which means we do not treat everyone the same and we balance (with wisdom) the rights and entitlements of everyone and the responsibilities that they all carry by having those rights.

          Those responsibilities include exercising restraint even in countries which have explicit freedoms. ….

      2. Staircase2 14 Sep 2011, 5:41pm

        You really are a complete knobhead

    5. “gay activists”

      More made up words from the red-neck fool with the intellect of a 6 years old. How boring…..

  2. Why has the Reddit link been added to Pink news? Reddit is owned by Catholics and controled by Christians who use Reddit for their own propaganda to stop gay marriage and “the gay agenda”. See the LGBT section of Reddit for your self to see the anti gay hate and then see the Christians post where they are busy like a lot of post sites that have Christian posting and they delete you or ban you from posting if you say anything pro gay or good about LGBT people. The intener net is not free and the Christians are taking it over and they are using the Christian group called ANONYMOUS to do it. They and some Christians pretend to be gay but they are not they are just tricking you so they can play head games to screw with gays. It is part of the Christian plans to destroy gays using everything they can. They have been doing it in secret thinking no one knows, and now you know. Don’t be fooled get the truth.

    1. Michaelangelo 14 Sep 2011, 12:53am

      Poor dab.

      1. Poor Michaelangelo.

  3. Stephen_Glasgow 13 Sep 2011, 6:13pm

    I’m with Pepa on this one. Freedom of speech is just that – I don’t like what these groups say, but I will defend their right to say it nonetheless. Unless they advocate violence then they have as much right to their misguided opinions as any. If we try to shut them down then we have become the very thing that we are criticizing.

    1. Don’t kid yourself Stephen. Hate speech KILLS.

    2. Freedom of speech does not cover hate speech I will defend people’s right to have a different opinion but these groups are going over to Uganda and brainwashing them into hating us and even imprisoning us, its much the same as advocating violence.

    3. WIth all freedoms come responsibilities, that is the nature of things. Failure to adhere to these responsibilities can and should lead to restrictions on the freedoms and entitlements.

      Even in those areas where freedoms are expressed with strong passion and determination (and usually quite rightly so) there are still restrictions on the rights if individuals, organisations or groups fail to demonstrate a responsible approach to exercising those freedoms and rights.

      For example, whilst in the US the freedom of speech is protected by the first amendment to the US constitution. There is legally held restrictions on those freedoms with regards obscenity, defamation, incitement to riot, harassment, priviledged communication etc. There may be some legal (and other) debate on what constitutes obscenity etc. – nonetheless if speech is used that is seen to be obscene etc then the law protects those who find that speech offensive or who are defamed etc

    4. ” If we try to shut them down”

      But this article is about them having their PayPal accounts closed, not having their freedom of speech compromised.

  4. Stephen_Glasgow 13 Sep 2011, 7:14pm

    Free speech is just that. I don’t like what these groups say either, but I will defend their right to say it nonetheless. They are entitled to their opinions as much as anyone else, no matter how misguided and distasteful they are, as long as they don’t advocate violence. If we silence them then we have become the very thing we criticise. To silence them would be the equivalent of allowing some churches to silence us for calling them bigots, or allowing Christian business people to discriminate against us. The Christian B&B owners were rightly prosecuted for that discrimination – we can’t then practise the same discrimination without being hypocrites. It’s the price of being in a free society.

    1. WIth all freedoms come responsibilities, that is the nature of things. Failure to adhere to these responsibilities can and should lead to restrictions on the freedoms and entitlements.

      Even in those areas where freedoms are expressed with strong passion and determination (and usually quite rightly so) there are still restrictions on the rights if individuals, organisations or groups fail to demonstrate a responsible approach to exercising those freedoms and rights.

      For example, whilst in the US the freedom of speech is protected by the first amendment to the US constitution. There is legally held restrictions on those freedoms with regards obscenity, defamation, incitement to riot, harassment, priviledged communication etc. There may be some legal (and other) debate on what constitutes obscenity etc. – nonetheless if speech is used that is seen to be obscene etc then the law protects those who find that speech offensive or who are defamed etc

      1. Sometimes freedoms, whilst laudable, are necessary to protect either an entire population eg national security issues or a segment of the population eg harassment, discrimination, prejudice, child protection, etc etc
        All restrictions on these freedoms must be subject to scrutiny and review. The level of restriction may not need to be constant either due to changes in risk or changes in perception of what is appropriate, proportional, necessary or relevant

        1. Stephen_Glasgow 14 Sep 2011, 4:44pm

          If you follow your argument through to it’s logical conclusion, it would be acceptable for Christians to outlaw homosexuality again on the basis that they find it obscene. I don’t believe this is acceptable, and stand by my post above. Denying these groups access to service is unacceptable discrimination unless they advocate violence. Crysta has the right idea – vote with your feet and use another service.

          1. No thats not what I am saying and I would regard that as a twisting of my argument.

            I clearly acknowledge that there will be some debate as to what (for example) constitutes obscenity. There are also the issues of national security, prejudice, child protection, defamation etc. etc. that could justifiably (even in the nation with the most freedom of speech) be used to restrict those freedoms. It requires wisdom to determine how this should occur, wisdom we generally leave to the judicial system.

            Its not my argument in any case, it is a factual system in the US. Other countries such as the UK have greater restrictions on freedom of speech, others such as North Korea, Uganda and Cuba considerably less.

            Abiding Truth Ministries have advocated the murder of LGBT people in any event, hence my personal view that denying service access is fully appropriate and morally necessary discrimination.

    2. ” If we silence them”

      Removing their ability to process money through PayPal is not the same as silencing them.

    3. Staircase2 14 Sep 2011, 5:44pm

      That would be fine if PayPal didnt have a policy which says it will not work with hate merchants. Under those circumstances they have an obligation to deal with it and nip it in the bud.

      They dont deal with porn either – now while its fair to say theres an argument against that policy, it is still their policy and needs to be adhered to by them equally…

  5. yes I do.

    And its a good service. And no they don’t have to give in to every whim of the delusional gay activists…

    1. Staircase2 14 Sep 2011, 2:38am

      Shut the fvck up – you have a brain the size of a dildo…

      1. jamestoronto 14 Sep 2011, 3:18am

        a small one I trust

    2. “delusional gay activists”

      Oh, yeah, everyone ELSE is delusional.

      Cookoo! Cookoo!

  6. Another Hannah 13 Sep 2011, 10:01pm

    If your going to stop KKK then you have to stop other hate groups, or what does that say about you?

  7. Gay Daily Mail Reader 14 Sep 2011, 7:19am

    Paypal will be doing decent people a great favour by not allowing themselves to be used to handle money for hate groups but while other means of payment remain available such as cheques then I can’t see how that is going to stop bigots from pontificating their garbage.

  8. They may have freedom of speech, but so do we.

    We can choose to boycott those who help the spread of evil, and let them feel the hammer of justice as it breaks open their piggy banks and leaves them all spread out on the floor.

    LET THE MONEY SPEAK! LET THEM KNOW THE COST OF HATE!!!

  9. Dennis Hambridge 18 Jan 2013, 6:09pm

    any group or religion or government that promotes hate, regardless if gay, racists or anything else should not be assisted in any walk of life not just paypal, and please don,t come back with this that and the other, quite simply funding hate groups of any type is no different then funding terrorist

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