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  1. Jock S. Trap 12 Sep 2011, 11:50am

    It’s positive at least though still work to be done hear.

    Having said that for A Tory Prime Minister to be standing up and supporting this quite an achievement.

    Now, marriage Equality…when?

    1. We DO need marriage equality amongst other things that’s for sure but keep things into perspective. We are very lucky to live in the UK. MOST gay people around the world are living in real fear so although we should carry on the fight towards full equality, let’s not let it get far as calling the UK an apartheid as some readers in the past have down in regards to our marriage laws.

      Well done Cameron for giving this charity prominence.

    2. Thinking globally about LGBT issues is a tremendous step in the right direction.

      Also, let’s not forget that Peter Tatchell has recently approached the Commonwealth regarding this very issue.

    3. billyWingart 21 Sep 2011, 5:40am

      In my USA, the fight against the hatefull prop 8 that killed marriage equality in California is being led by the lawyer who helped get Bush elected in 2004 in the contested election.

      Somehow, after many years in the gay rights movement, I still find it hard to believe that marriage equality is a “conservative value”

      But I am certainly not complaining.

      And my thanks to PM Cameron – for his help in moving the change to full marriage from 2nd class CUs forward, and this other step as well.

      Yes , I;m one of those str8s who supports marriage equality for all my many great gay friends I’ve met in the last few years supporting their right to be equals in our society.

    4. billyWingart 21 Sep 2011, 5:45am

      And let me thank pm cameron

      Whose probably on the top of RATZIngers hate list

  2. Can’t see I’m very excited about the name – Kaleidoscope.

    I wish it all the best, though. It’s got a lot of work to do – bearing in mind that homosexuality is a crime in about 70 countries. Forget about marriage equality, equal age of consent and et cetera, in these countries homosexuality is ILLEGAL! That’s how far behind a large chunk of the world is.

    1. Well said. Who really cares about marriage when gay people are being slaughtered in other countries? Priorities. Hope the charity does well.

      1. Jock S. Trap 12 Sep 2011, 12:51pm

        “Who really cares about marriage when gay people are being slaughtered in other countries? ”

        Actually the best way to show other LGBTQI people in those 70+ countries that things do get better with Equality includes the right to be married. Surely a western country fighting for Equality would do better by showing respect and giving Equality to it’s own residences showing all others that we do deserve to be treated just like everyone else. Surely that gives some hope to those who may feel they are alone and totally isolated in the world just because of the way they happen to be born.

        Marriage Equality is just as important as any other right and to use it as an excuse for to compare to those “being slaughtered” as a reason not to have that part of Equality, is actually, quite shameful.

      2. billyWingart 21 Sep 2011, 5:43am

        re EG Uganda – We could have avoided WWII if only we could have been able to blow up the Reichstag in the early 1930s.

        Same for the Ugandan parliment. YOu dont treat the illness, you immunize the country against it how ever its possible.

        BTW whose behind all that genocide biz – American xtians, including Don Schirmierer of the EXodus – the christian evangelical group that claims to fix gays.

        they need some fixing themselves

  3. Its a remarkable and welcome step for the UK to be taking a proactive stance (supported by govt – Tory govt at that) in promoting LGBT rights and equality.

    Hopefully, regardless of the aesthetics of the name, the organisation will be dynamic and inspiring and both encourage development of rights and responsibilities and challenge persecution where it occurs and others to stand against persecution and bigotry

    1. If Kaleidoscope can delay or prevent homophobic legislation, it will already have accomplished a great deal towards equal human rights.

  4. In Britian, politics aside, you are very fortunate to have younger leadership of all 3 of your major political parties! I read with amazement at the open and positive endorsement of the new Kaleidoscope Diversity Trust by the Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition! In Australia, our Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition cannot even manage to verbalise the existence of LGBT people and are always worried about losing votes to the Christian oppressors! Perhaps, the Kaleidoscope Trust can start doing some work in the Australian Parliament!

  5. Indeed we have far to go. Now on to marriage equality please!

    1. Marriage equality for me would be last if it meant LGBT people throughout the world could be themselves without persecution.

      1. Jock S. Trap 12 Sep 2011, 2:40pm

        I guess the arguement should be do we have the right to preach Equality around the world when we only part way there ourselves?

        Marriage Equality would finally give Equality and a reason for homophobic bullying to be tackled effectively in this country. Don’t forget people here too sadly still are “being slaughtered” even though in this country we doing nothing illegal.

        I agree with your sentiment but maybe feel your misplaced with your logic.

        1. I don’t see any problem with aiming for international fairness and equality on gender and orientation groups whilst simultaneously seeking to further enhance the rights of LGBT and equality in the UK by ensuring marriage is equal. I don’t think we should choose which we want. I think we should want both.

          1. Jock S. Trap 13 Sep 2011, 12:06pm

            Exactly. However the more we improve the more we can give.

        2. It is my understanding that the mandate to advance equal rights in the UK rests squarely on the shoulders of Stonewall.

          1. I would argue that each of us has a mandate to advance equality in our own localities, nations and globally …

  6. Meddling again in other countries, can only being more attacks.

    1. “can only being more attacks” is a phrase that, really, speaks for itself.

  7. Once again, I’m reading the LGBT acronym tripping lightly off the fingers and keyboards of concerned people, and yet when you read the actual statements these people are making, what they’re really talking about is just LG, with a hint of B. Transphobia is also killing people all around the world (and in Britain). Please remember that the LGBTetc. umbrella is there also to protect people from oppression due to their gender identity or expression, it’s not just about sexuality. The right to marry is secondary to the right to live, I think. At least David Cameron mentioned the T in his speech – the Kaleidoscope folks only seem to be talking about homophobia when it comes down to it, at least as they’re quoted in this article.

    1. paul canning 12 Sep 2011, 6:32pm

      Quick to judge, eh!? Check the website – then judge!

      1. It seems to be an organisation keen to tackle LGBTQI issues … and whilst I can understand transgender people feeling devalued and not as supported as LGB people by LGBTQI organisations given some historic events and actions with other organisations and situation; it is remarkably unfair to this new organisation both because they need to be given an opportunity to prove or disprove how effective they are going to be in all areas and their website clearly demonstrates a commitment to all aspects of LGBTQI issues.

      2. “Let there be no confusion: where there is tension between cultural attitudes and universal human rights, rights must carry the day.”

        – Ban Ki-Moon, UN Secretary General, December 2010


        Thanks for the link, Paul. :)

      3. Actually, if you notice, nowhere on that website does it mention transgender people. It’s only the politicians and the media who have referred to it as an “LGBT” organisation. Politicians and media also refer to Stonewall in the same way, when Stonewall also has nothing to do with transgender people. It’s too early to say yet, certainly, but I can’t help but fear that this too will be another case of the silent “T”.

      4. Well Paul, every news report labels the group gay. Everyone photographed at the launch is specifically gay, lesbian or heterosexual. The web site, apart from the quotes from outside speakers, entirely talks of gay and lesbian, and sexual orientation. All of the associated organisations seem gay and lesbian. I know of no trans or intersex person consulted during the establishment of the group. Why was that, since you were advising them? Perhaps the trustees (of whom I don’t see a list) are totally diverse. But where else are you, or the guest speakers, getting the idea that it is interested in or informed about trans or intersex issues or appreciates the distinctions that can be the difference between life and death. For example, how gay activists, by labelling transsexual girls “gay boys who need to learn to appreciate their sexuality”, denied SRS in Thailand, by the worlds best surgeons, to those under 18, or 21 without parental consent, instead of at 16, from anywhere, previously.

  8. Hodge Podge 12 Sep 2011, 5:57pm

    Still not sure about the “LGB *and* T” phrase, in principle I don’t hate it but I don’t like that Tories decided to change the acronym.

    1. As I understand it, its a LibDem thing, not Tory. And I would appreciate it if it was clear that the T didn’t just stand for Transgender.

  9. Marriage equality is indeed very important. It sends a clear message that everyone, no matter their sexual orientation should be treated equally in every sense under the law. 70 countries with anti-gay laws aren’t going to change over night and many won’t in our life time. We lead by example and we should pursue marriage equality vigorously.

    Granting similar rights to a minority group under a different name IS a form of segregation, whether we like it or not. If we were that equal, we wouldn’t be fighting for it or having this discussion. It isn’t a question of semantics, far from it.

    I commend Cameron’s support of Kaleidoscope but as he says, there is much more to do in our own country, including legalising marriage equality.

  10. A good positive step in the right direction, now let’s see it in action, for example against the Scottish Catholic Church that is persecuting the LGBT Community by pushing to stop gay marriages.

  11. Thank God for this one, they need to do something in Uganda right now to stop the madness that the Christians from America have pushed on these poor uneducated people to get them thinking about killing gays people, their own children and family members. Iran needs to be exposed for what they do to gay people there too. The murder of gays is a crime and the people and countries and religions who do this and promote that gays should be murdered need to arrested and put in jail and brought to justice.

    1. I would expect, from those at the launch, that the first focus is more upon West Africa, where the situation for gays and lesbians (and also trans people) is also dire.
      The promotion of hatred against sexual minorities should be seen as included with all other similar genocide promotion under the Convention on Genocide, which is policed by an office of the UN Secretary General. That it was not explicitly included in 1948, despite us being targeted in previous genocidal activity, was only due to the acceptance of such hatred as normal by the lead lawyer, who soon became the Tory Home Secretary who ordered the 1950s repression of gay men in the UK.

  12. Gay Daily Mail Reader 13 Sep 2011, 7:28am

    Great to see that the Conservative Party now takes a positive stance on LGBT issues but it should not distract from other issues such as the economy, the NHS, race relations and Europe. By the way what is the UKIP’s stance on gay and transgender issues, particularly with the likes of Frank Maloney being a member?

  13. This might seem picky, but Kaleidoscope is not an LGBT support organisation – it’s an LG(B) support organisation. I mention this because their remit doesn’t actually cover support of people dealing with oppression as a consequence of being transgender/transsexual. Although David Cameron made specific reference to the T in LGBT in his speech, the Kaleidoscope website states only that “all people should be free from discrimination, persecution and intimidation because of their sexuality” and of course, gender identity/expression is no indicator of sexuality. It’s very easy to say/type LGBT, we’re so used to it – but it’s not applicable in this case.

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