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Archbishop of Glasgow hits out at ‘foolish’ gay marriage supporters

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  1. Does he want to hear what is “foolish”? The dogged belief in the campfire tales of bronze age desert nomads who could not explain why the sun rose. Or how about the belief that marriage belongs to christianity? What a liar. What a sad old man in a stupid frock, desperate to seem relevant while doing nothing more than resembling an anti-semite or a white supremacist.

    1. Not to mention someone who’s taken a vow of chastity telling everyone else that the function of marriage is to produce children. (Mind you, it might explain his own choice…)

      1. Eddy - from 2007 9 Sep 2011, 3:32pm

        Yes, what does Mario Conti know about close and intimate sexual relationships between human beings! He’s never had the guts to have such a relationship himself! So how DARE he make important-sounding pronouncements on what marriage is and is not and on who has a right to it and who doesn’t!

        Oh, and Conti, before you protest that you are in fact “married to Jesos”, please know that all of us here think that that relationship is quite frankly a sick delusion and that people who suffer from mental illnesses involving delusions should not even be in the position of dispensing advice to others!

        1. It is interesting how the Archbishop appears to know all about intimate and sexual relationships, whilst hiding behind a vow of celibacy, which is a convenient excuse for those incapable of such relationships

  2. What an utter idiot: ‘render marriage “meaningless”’ Yep, you let those gay marry and the love between all the straight couples suddenly means nothing! *Eye roll*

    1. Jock S. Trap 9 Sep 2011, 11:55am

      Indeed. Only someone so insecure in themselves, their own beliefs and their own marriage would think Marriage Equality who render ‘meaningless’!

  3. Does that mean I can divorce my wife when she becomes barren.

    After all no more babies for his type to abuse.

  4. A silly ignorant man looking for publicity – to be ignored

  5. The definition of Foolish to me is basing your entire life on an invisible bearded man in the sky.

  6. The real question here is why anyone gives this bitter old man or his type any press coverage at all. He holds no special talents, skills, knowledge or understanding that is relevant to the issue of marriage equality. SImply being a bishop doesn’t give him any superior ethcial sense. His opinion is of no more value than that of anyone else, and, indeed, since it is based on demonstrably false archaic nonsense, of considerably less value.

    One might as well publish the views of a cook or a plumber or a road sweeper in a national newspaper. And, given that he is a senior manager in an international criminal organisation that spreads deadly ignorance in Africa and procures and covers up child rape, the Bishop’s office should immediately disqualify him from any part in the public conversation.

    1. Libera Fan 9 Sep 2011, 2:23pm

      Wow, brilliant comment!

  7. Mumbo Jumbo 9 Sep 2011, 10:57am

    Down With This Kind of Thing!

    Join the follow-up to last year’s Protest the Pope march and make it even bigger this time.

    The Campaign for a Secular Europe march takes place in London next Saturday 17 September:

    http://secular-europe-campaign.org/march-rally/

    Tell your friends. Make your voice heard. See you there.

  8. Tony DiPietro 9 Sep 2011, 11:23am

    He’s probably mad because his altar boys are under the age of consent. I don’t know how it works in Scotland. However, in America, these big mouthed churches that butt into politics, also maintain tax exempt status! I so hope that changes soon!

  9. Does the existence of other religions render Catholicism ‘meaningless’?

    So, why does the existence of gay marriages render their vision of marriage meaningless?

  10. I suppose he hasn’t considered that into the equation will come civil partnerships for mixed sex couples.
    Those couples who want to opt of his mythology.

  11. Charles Gormley 9 Sep 2011, 11:33am

    It is good that he has intervened in this way. Calling the 60% of the public who support marriage equality foolish will do his cause no end of good. He is a complete tosser.

  12. Doesn’t divorce do more to make marriage meaningless? The old bigot just doesn’t want to commit to a relationship with the choir.

  13. I think we shoukd reinstate the Popery act, to deny Catholics their rights.

    1. Agreed!

    2. de Villiers 9 Sep 2011, 3:53pm

      That sounds like fascist sectarianism. It just shows that as with some Christians, as with LGB persons, the only freedom some people seek is the freedom to oppress others.

      1. well, i was only joking, rather making a satirical point at a catholic in the united kingdom supporting the legal denial of the rights of others.

    3. Another Hannah 10 Sep 2011, 10:50pm

      They are getting dangerous and destructive to this society again. Something may need to be done.

  14. A drunken fashion designer gets taken to court and prosecuted for being anti semitic in a cafe. A leading catholic archbishop gets away with being anti gay in public. Doesn’t make sense to me.

    1. In fairness, he’s not (strictly speaking) being anti-gay, he’s speaking out against the conventional definition of marriage being broadened.

      1. But he’s saying that gay marriages make the concept of marriage meaningless, and that to support gay equality would be foolish. That sounds anti gay to me.

  15. Jock S. Trap 9 Sep 2011, 11:53am

    Think the headline should be – “Another Religious Bigot Rejects Marriage Equality – Yawn”
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    Nothing surprising. They fight democracy. They fight decency. They fight a united community.
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    I do believe they will pay the price for their hatred as numbers fall who follow them for a better progressive society.

  16. This religous leader is entitled to an opinion but his status does not make him an authority – marriage predates his particular form of superstition.

    In any case, his argument makes no sense and only serves to demonstrate his ingrained prejudice.

    What makes me uneasy however is the fact that the debate is turning to majority approval as a means to add weight to the pro-gay-marriage argument.

    How does this differ from the seeking of a majority vote in california for prop 8?

    Surely the argument should rely on the belief and support of universal equality.

  17. marriage was already redefined by/for the christian cult and it needs correcting to include same-sex couples
    many hetero couples don’t want or can’t produce kids so is their marriage meaningless? isn’t marriage about love and committment and not how many kids you produce?

    1. Jock S. Trap 9 Sep 2011, 3:09pm

      Exactly. It seems some in religion will insist on hijacking the whole purpose of marriage.
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      Truth is if they feel by helping society become more stable by allowing and accepting marriage Equality would make heterosexual marriage meaningless they must think very little of themselves and all others who are married.
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      Second truth is, what has anybody else’s marriage but their own got to do with them?

  18. You know what – I actually don’t care what he or any of his ilk think. My feelings are that this will eventually happen and him, his church and other opponents to gay marriage will just have to get over themselves.

  19. “We would use a word which carries huge significance, and render it meaningless in respect of one of its essential attributes, its capacity to create a natural family – I mean of course marriage.

    So what about straight couples who get married but are unable to have children? Is their marriage meaningless because they can’t create a family through natural means? What about couples who get hitched without any intention to have kids? Does that make marriage meaningless.

    Maybe marriage has been redefined over the last century or so as a union of two people who love each other and want their commitments to be made official. Maybe religion for too long has claimed a monopoly on the institution which was never theirs in the first place. Maybe they should just butt out of civil matters.

  20. This guy has just helped us sooooo much.

    People will now see this guy and what he stands for and as people say here, how does two men or women marrying make my marriage and my love for my partner any less.

    Religion really is becoming a fringe in society reserved fornut jobs. The same people who believe marriage is religious believe faith is religious. People had faith long before religion.

    Religion is control , faith is a coping mechanism to be able to accept death.

    1. Jock S. Trap 9 Sep 2011, 3:10pm

      Certainly a lot of truth in that comment. They never see the consequences of their bigotted actions, they are so blinded by hatred.

  21. Dr Robin Guthrie 9 Sep 2011, 12:44pm

    “Glasgow’s Archbishop says gay marriage is “meaningless” ”

    So has your life been mate.

    Wasting it worshiping non existent characters, never having enjoyed sex.

    That is a better definition of meaningless.

    1. Eddy - from 2007 9 Sep 2011, 3:35pm

      Well put, Dr. Guthrie!

    2. @Junior nurse Guthrie.
      Nice that you find time to post between emptying bed pans and taking temperatures.
      The bible is full of prophecy which could have only come from a divine source. Check the prophesied fall of babylon by Daniel, a couple of hundred years prior. is there someone you could get to read it to you?

      1. Ben Foster 9 Sep 2011, 7:14pm

        emptying bed pans and taking temperatures is a useful contribution to society, not like talking blather of your sort, Keith.

        Need we remind you that the bible is a 2000 year old work of fiction?

        1. Yeah. So is emptying bins, but any idiot can do it!
          The fact that the bible has survived so long and is by far the most widely publised literary work, despite iconcerted efforts to destroy and discredit it, is testament to it’s divine authorship.

          1. “is testament to it’s divine authorship.”

            Or the amount of idiots there actually are in the human population.

          2. emptying rubbidsh bins is also more useful than spouting rubbish, at least the bin men take the rubbish away. you just spread it around like slurry.

            And your last statement is utter rubbish, keith. for one thing, the Talmud has been around longer than the bible, the /koran almost as long. for another, popularity does not equal quality. check the lowbrow stuff that hits the tv ratings, music charts or book lists every week. Your bible is the top selling piece of dangerous pulp fiction full of filth and depravity, hate and intolerance. just like you.

      2. “The bible is full of prophecy which could have only come from a divine source.”

        Did it predict all your comments going away?

        1. The first thing people do when they see a lowly rated comment is to read it doncha know?

          1. Jock S. Trap 10 Sep 2011, 9:56am

            Actually, not necessarily.
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            Most will see your name and ignore.
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            Why read it they already know what it’ll say. It’s not like your predictable or nuffink… oh hang on, yes you are.

          2. no keith, we read it for amusement, to see what the headcase has to say now.

    3. Paddyswurds 9 Sep 2011, 7:43pm

      @Dr Gutherie..
      …actually the stupid old bigot is right. “Gay marriage” IS meaningless. What Gay people want is Marriage Equality, not another made up sop.

  22. Glasgow. ’nuff said.

  23. “Glasgow’s Archbishop says gay marriage is “meaningless” ”

    Saying it does not make it so.

    1. Jock S. Trap 9 Sep 2011, 3:11pm

      Very true. Just makes there clear projecting look stupid.

    2. Absolutely, Jonpol

      Whilst the Archbishop is entitled to his opinion (however wrong and misguided he may be), if he decides to make public proclamations then he should not be surprised when his idiocy is exposed alongside his bigotry

    3. Sadly, the omnipotence the Archbishop ascribes to god resides with god, and not the Archbishop.
      .
      Assuming that God exists!!!

  24. Foolish? Does he mean more or less so than believing in stories about collecting animals in a boat, a god who is really three gods, one being a white chicken that poops fire on the heads of people, and the other been eaten every Sunday in ritualistic cannibalism?

  25. As the saying goes, ‘There’s no fool like an old fool…’

  26. A bit rich coming from a cult that has for almost two millenia abused boys and girls, women, decimated native tribes in Latin America, subjugated Jews in Spain and in many instances put them to death for not converting to the roman cult as well as harbouring paedophile clergy and he has the gall to call more than half of the Britiish public fools? The roman cult is morally bankrupt.

    GayTaff, I’ve been saying that for a very long time. It would have to deny marriage to infertile straight couples or those who don’t want to reproduce or those beyond child-bearing years in the case of women. The only meaningless and foolishness in all this is the roman cult, irrelevant and already in decline, but not fast enough. Catholicism should never have been emancipated in the UK because it is intrinsically evil.

  27. James Lees 9 Sep 2011, 2:07pm

    I think the comments miss the point.

    Conti has made his statement at the time the parliament is trying to get gay marriage on the statute books for Scotland. He is issuing a rallying call to his supporters, who will block all attempts to move the legislation forward. Watch that space.

    1. There is enough support on both sides of the chamber to approve gay marriage in Scotland. You couldn’t have gay marriage in England and not Scotland, or vice versa; the courts wouldn’t put up with such an anomaly.

  28. Conti was considered a fool when he was Bishop of Aberdeen – yes even by a number of his clergy! He was also known as the “Invisible Bishop”. Once a fool Conti, always a fool.
    Remember Nazareth House Conti? No, I thought not.

    1. Yes, I also remember during the infamous Sister Alphonse trial it was alleged he said, “the catholic church is a fully autonomous organisation and answerable to no one”. Of course, the old doodle gazer denied it.

  29. So the public support it and the church opposes it. I know which of those things actually matters.

  30. So, a guy who dresses up in outfits too garish even for Lady GaGa is calling me foolish!!!!
    He accuses us of thying to ‘rewrite nature’ while he happily rewrites the Christian message of LOVE to suit his prejudice and homophobia!

  31. Art Pearson 9 Sep 2011, 3:31pm

    I don’t recall ‘Conti’ as being a Scottish name so you will have to consider the source eh. Catholic and Italian to boot.

  32. Just another big jessie like O’Brien.

  33. luke from canada 9 Sep 2011, 4:53pm

    I wish people would get passed the word marriage as being something sacred that only certain people can enjoy. Marraige has been abused for years and its not going to change by simply allowing others who want to do from actually doing it.

  34. luke, the problem with these catholic bigots is that they’re incapable of distinguishing between religious and civil marriage, the two are different while the latter doesn’t mandate procreation or refer to any deity. These same bigots seem to think they own civil marriage and have a right to intefere. They don’t. That’s the message that the consultation has to get across.

  35. robin evans 9 Sep 2011, 9:14pm

    ugly old men who we gave to much power and now even a majority will not sway them yet we never learn not to create these oppressors … serves us right!

  36. Divorce and single parenting have largely made marriage meaningless, not same-sex relationships.

  37. Presumably, we will also hear from Jessie Devine err long.

  38. “He added that religious leaders would “fall foul” of the law for refusing to allow gay marriages…”

    They certainly won’t get a sympathetic hearing from the courts (who run the country, not the RCC).

  39. Krazy Catholics trying to dictate what people do in their bedroom, when are they going to be stopped? Stopped from raping and abusing children.

    1. If you think what people do iin their own bedrooom is their own business you are wrong. A consenting father and adult son may not have anal sex even though there is no victim. Your own view however, that what consenting adults do in private is fine, permits this practice.
      Disgusting pervert!

      1. Jock S. Trap 10 Sep 2011, 9:57am

        No relevence, yet again.

      2. only keith would think of that! He’s the real pervert around here, isn’t he!

  40. T.S. Eliot in ‘The Waste Land’ refers to ‘one of the low’, an observation that could well be applied to Keith,who clearly is a common, vulgar, ill-bred, semi-literate little man. His obsession with things homosexual could well give a psychiatrist pause for thought. The vulgar, little man is obviously seriously disturbed, in that he is fighting hard to mask his very real homosexual desires by anathematising them in a very virulent way.

    1. Agreed….and it occurs to me that he may be HIV+ as well as an ex-gay…

  41. Another Hannah 10 Sep 2011, 10:53pm

    Umm, Roman Catholics are meaningless to most Gays?

    1. Another Hannah 10 Sep 2011, 10:53pm

      Roman Catholic Bishops are meaningless to most people.

  42. Arch Conti….lets give him his right name…..is the campest guy you would ever meet…..if he isnt gay then im definetly not…..lol

  43. We’re foolish? ‘Scuse me? And where did that come from? oh, the Sky Lurker said so!

    Whats that? A desperate attempt to brainwash us all into believers, to get more people into church? To be brainwashed even more?

  44. Consent involves equality of power. Its why a student cannot be seen to consent to sex with a teacher, because there is a power differential. The teacher would be abusing their authority.
    As with incest – same thing, there is a power differential. there are also evolutionary/biological reasons as to why incest is a no no, which are not applicable to gay relationships.

    So i think you need to actually try and understand what is meant by the term consent. Or of course you could just stop trolling the comment pages of a lgbt news website. Also I have seen you mention the father child incest thing many times, I was wondering whether you had any knowledge of the Freudian concept of projection…..

  45. You’ve been reading your Dave Hafer comic books again.. ;p

  46. Spanner1960 10 Sep 2011, 1:04pm

    The state is an elected body defined by the people. They only carry out what the majority of it’s citizens demand. Laws are defined to protect people, nothing more. Unless someone does something that directly or indirectly affects others without their consent, then it has nothing to do with the law.

  47. Lets see if we can get this vile piece of filth deleted too, like all the others.

    Reported.

  48. Says the irrational , anus loving onsessive!

  49. “Depends which State you men. China is not, the UK is.”

    What does your ONLY moral guide, the bible, say about China and the UK?

  50. Ben Foster 10 Sep 2011, 6:32pm

    ooops. Will, sorry I accidentally thumbs downed u along with the hate-mongering troll.

  51. “Oh shut up fecal breath!”

    I really do not thinks anything as debase as you, Keith, has any capacity to “shut” someone like me up. I’m so far ahead of you in evolution, people like you just get pennies from me, out of pity of course, on the street.

    You’re comments are as long lived as your tantrums, it seems.

  52. That is a view which has merit, nonetheless some laws are in place to ensure smooth running of society or because or moral viewpoints. You would find it hard to justify why laws are in place to do some things which only affect one person without being tangental eg smoking small amounts of (non skunk) cannabis alone occasionally, requirement to complete the census etc etc

  53. above comment in response to Spanner, sorry posted out of sequence (not sure how though)

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