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Scottish domestic violence stereotypes ‘fail gay and transgender people’

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  1. OrtharRrith 6 Sep 2011, 11:00am

    Will people never get that it’s not transgendered but transgender? It’s not Blacked people or Gayed people, there aren’t any Englished people or the like. Saying transgendered implies it was something done to people, which is almost as bad as those that say we choose to be this way.
    Anyway, it looks for once that Westminster is actually ahead of the game in it’s attitude and definition! How often is that the case???

    1. I totally agree, it’s basically objectifying us. I’m not sure but I have noticed that this seems to have filtered from America as over there even trans people tend to say ‘transgendered’ in the same way.

    2. whymewhyme 6 Sep 2011, 4:33pm

      good point and thx – i’ll check if i ever use the term – for the article the ” seems displaced to the next paragraph so the error is rather with Brian Dempsey than PinkNews – if it irks you which, by your explanation, is justified – i’d suggest to write to editors – authors concerned

      in my experience it has lead to amical correspondence and a slow but thorough change of use

      using the advanced search on google enables particular papers to be targeted and a friendly letter to editor sent

      some revolutions are slower than others – good luck!

      1. OrtharRrith 6 Sep 2011, 5:18pm

        Oh yes, I did notice that Pink News were not at fault and themselves use the correct word, rather the statement coming from Brian Dempsey is the problem and Pink News have (correctly in my opinion, as editing any official statement can be a bad thing) printed it verbatam.
        The problem though is compounded by people seeing it and – not understanding the situation – then going on to incorrectly use the word or spelling themselves, further perpetuating the problem.

  2. As someone who has suffered domestic violence there is very little sympathy out there for men who have been attacked by there partner even amongst the gay community.

  3. Um, I’m not familiar with Scottish law but if it really is defined as something that men do to women, the LGBT community isn’t the only people affected. Scottish law makers and the article writer seem to be missing the glaringly obvious that men get abused to and not simply because they’re in a relationship with a man. Women abuse men all the time, but there’s a giant stigma on it so they rarely speak up. The few that do seek help don’t need the *law* telling them that it’s not real abuse unless they have female organs or identify as female.

  4. As someone who has experienced domestic violence there is very little sympathy for a man who has been attacked even from the gay community.

    How can we expect other people to help us when we won’t help ourselves.

  5. M McMillan 6 Sep 2011, 2:51pm

    The Scottish Government fund this project which works with service providers to help them better support LGBT people experiencing domestic abuse.

    Police reports for same-sex domestic abuse can also be found on the website, which show a steady increase in police reports each year.

    Things are by no means perfect but they are improving.

  6. M McMillan 6 Sep 2011, 2:55pm

    Oh and also, Scots law does not define domestic abuse as something which a man does to a woman, legally speaking LGBT people are as protected as anyone else. Having said that there is still massive under reporting.

    Not enough information being gathered in relation to trans people but the Scottish LGBT Domestic Abuse project has done some research to try and rectify this.

  7. Interestingly, the definition of domestic abuse used by the Scottish Police Force’s and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service is not the same as the Scottish Government. They define it (genderless) as:

    “Any form of physical, sexual or mental and emotional abuse which might amount to criminal conduct and which takes place within the context of a relationship.

    “The relationship will be between partners (married, co-habiting, civil partnership or otherwise) or ex-partners. The abuse can be committed in the home or elsewhere.”

  8. This “male villain/female victim” view of domestic violence not only discriminates against and dismisses violence in gay and lesbian relationships, it discriminates against and dismisses violence against men by women in heterosexual relationships; which is a MUCH greater problem than most people want to even consider considering. It’s particular bad because male victims of abuse be women are invisible, fearing being ridiculed by an unsympathetic public, police and legal system. You can’t even have an intelligent and civil discussion about men abused by women without it quickly devolving into juvenile humour and attacks on the victims’ “manhood”/ masculinity. Men who are abused by women are in a catch 22. If they fight back they risk being accused of “hitting” a woman at best and risk arrest and prosecution in a legal system that will prosecute their self-defence but won’t prosecute the original assault.

    1. We also have very different standards of what is considered “abuse” or “assault” depending on the gender of the participants. If a man insults a woman and she slaps him in the face it’s considered justified and perfectly acceptable but NO ONE would consider it acceptable for a man to slap a woman in the face for insulting him. BOTH should be considered assault.

      Until we work out basic gender equality we can never hope to find equality for transgender, gay or lesbian people.

      1. Well said. I get absolutely sick of discussions in the media about domestic violence when they clearly say that the perpetrator must be a man – “How can we help these women then, Bill?” kind of thing, totally ignoring the fact that MEN are victims too.

  9. whymewhyme 6 Sep 2011, 4:39pm

    the issue is very important – it not only ignores actual violence and immediate needs but also hides long term needs – violence includes rape and abuse and victims suffer for years, including developing psychological conditions which affect theirs and the lives of others.

    also, ignoring male victims ignores female aggressors and as such perpetuates stereotypes strong male/ weak women

  10. And here in the US, this article in today’s Advocate:

    Murders Put Focus on Same-Sex Domestic Abuse

  11. Brian Dempsey 6 Sep 2011, 8:26pm

    Brian Dempsey here – sorry that I caused offence with transgendered rather than transgender – in fact I usually use trans but the press release was done in a rush and I was trying to think what the straight media might cope with. For a better attempt at addressing the issue see my article – “Trans People’s Experience of Domestic Abuse” 2010 SCOLAG 208-212.

  12. Brian Dempsey 6 Sep 2011, 8:30pm

    Brian Dempsey again – the person who said that the legal definition is not gendered is quite right – the story sayd that it is the Govt.’s definition that is gendered not that the legal definition is gendered. And of course it creates massive problems for straight men but the article was about people in same-sex relationships – even limiting it in that way it runs to about 9,500 words. If you want copies of these articles email me at uni of dundee.

  13. Brian Dempsey 6 Sep 2011, 8:32pm

    Last one from me for the moment – the Scottish LGBT Domestic Abuse Project does good work but they are a little like a drop in the ocean.

  14. I hope the gay people there step up and take it upon themselves to do something, protest or what ever for change and I hope this helps,

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