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  1. please all, lets complain about heterosexual sex scenes on TV. equal rights my ass ! (sorry) lets just ban all sex scenes, oh ! better also all action scenes, religious scenes, BAN KISSING ! on the TV.
    *sigh* ban all Movie & TV productions.

    1. But that’s what the puritans want. The puritans want us to complain about hetero kissing, so the BBC can’t show that, and the puritans complain about gay kissing, so the BBC can’t show that – so then there is no kissing or sex on TV. And the puritans have won, and live in their puritanical sad little world. It’s best to complain about songs of praise and other puritanical shows, anything with christianity or islam or judaism in it. I saw a violent masochistic image of a man nailed to a cross bleeding last week on songs of praise. Disgusting.

      1. Dear BBC, I would like to complain in the strongest possible terms about the lack of gay sex scenes in Songs of Praise. I turned on the box, and all I got was a bunch of people in tank tops and NHS frames whom I simply wasn’t aroused by in any way. And all before the watershed.
        If this carries on I’ll stop paying my licence fee.

        1. I know what you mean? I expected rampant sex and all I got was bloody “Jerusalem”..my box of tissues left untouched by my side.

        2. Hahahaha!!! Ditto ditto ditto!!

        3. soapbubblequeen 30 Aug 2011, 10:06pm

          That’s great FlapJack!

          1. brad czacc tayylor 2 Sep 2011, 2:40pm

            same when watching the news broadcasts no sex there either

    2. Instead of this negative action why not write to the BBC to support the gay scenes in Torchwood. If there are more positive voices than negative then it will negate the bigotry.

      1. edwarddwoodjr 30 Aug 2011, 2:59pm

        Good idea. Plus this part just kills me,’“pointless”, irrelevant to the plot and unsuitable for children.’
        Um, the show isn’t suitable for children, period. Even if no one ever even made googly eyes at each other.

      2. I was thinking the same!!! I think this should be encouraged frankly! As long as poeple do nothing then we wil not be properly represented!

        So go for it peeps…Go tell the BBC how great they are for having the guts to show Torchwood and Captain Jack in ALL his gay glory!!!

      3. That’s the best idea Joss.

        1. Anyone know the best way to do this?

      4. albrazier 1 Sep 2011, 9:14pm

        I did write to the beeb to say keep it sci-fi & cut the faggot stuff!

        1. The “faggot stuff” is half the story if you don’t like it then don’t watch it.

    3. WE can guess some xtianss were horrified that their kids might learn to accept gay people.

      BTW what creates molsters – people brought up in very religious households where sex is never discussed and sex outside of marriage is forbidden

      Ultimately you end up with some warped people who, when their natural urges take hold, they go after kids of about the same age as when their own budding desires were trampled

      Toss in celibacy and you have hte church of the endless hidden molestation of children, HQ in Rome

    4. IMO lots of these people who complain are probably terrified of their own emotions watchng a couple guys kiss

  2. Rauncy scenes? There was nothing “raunchy” about it. The scenes were very well shot and this latest episode’s love scenes was very germane as the character’s relationship with Jack was pivotal to the plot .

    1. Staircase2 30 Aug 2011, 8:47pm

      I thought they were oddly uptight actually
      (I’m wondering about the direction of the whole series to be honest – its all a bit ….er……uptight)

  3. I have personally never seen why sexual content is considered inappropriate for children. After all, it’s a perfectly natural and normal part of human experience, which the vast majority of children will grow up to engage with themselves. Yes, children are generally not interested in sex, and legally not allowed to have it, but then again they’re generally not that interested in opening a bank account, owning property or running for parliament, but we don’t say that those things are inappropriate content.

    And the evidence is pretty clear that countries with a laid-back, healthy, liberal attitudes to the discussion of sex are also countries with far less STD prevalence, unwanted pregnancy and other kinds of sexual dysfunction. Making sex into a sordid, secretive, shameful and “inappropriate” thing, and raising children to think this way from an early age can only do great damage to our attempts to improve society.

    1. Oh please Torchwood has NEVER been aimed at children. From the start they said it was more adult. Give it a rest will you whining on!!! Oh and if you watched the other episode with the sex scenes Jack INSISTED on a condom…..unlike the straight scene.

      1. balloonable 30 Aug 2011, 2:21pm

        I think you misunderstood what the poster above was saying.

      2. Errm I don’t think they were whining at all! You need to re-read what they said. They were slamming it at all nore saying children shouldn’t watch!! Very much the opposite!!!

    2. edwarddwoodjr 30 Aug 2011, 3:05pm

      You said it! And from an early age, children of many countries (especially the US, where I live) are immediately taught shame or embarrassment over their bodies. We’ll show you how to torture someone on “24”, or how to treat women on “Mad Men”, and hey, that’s just fine. Well, maybe not… If it were a gay man doing the torturing, or a gay man mistreating women, I’m sure the shackles would rise.

      1. Totally agree!! We have the same problem in the UK! Eastenders is a soap on at primetime…around 7:30pm (I don’t watch it because it’s totaly rubbish) and that has rape, murder etc on it! And when there are gay people on it, either they’re represented badly or EVERYTHING goe wrong in their life…they can’t handle being gay etc…no NORMAL gay people!!! So it seems even i the UK it’s ok to allow our children to watch a soap with violence etc in it, but they can’t watch two people who ‘love’ one another, be they same sex or otherwise…No because THAT is very wrong!!!

        Our world is VERY warped!!!

    3. Staircase2 30 Aug 2011, 8:49pm

      @VP well said!

  4. These are christians poised with their complaint forms on their laps waiting for TV gay sex scenes – they know torchwood is likely to have gay sex, to they don’t have to waste much time searching through the channels for it, or do a ring round of their christian pals.

    1. Now the only reason we have the complaint form pads is to hide our our raging repressed erections…

  5. What do they MEAN it was irrelevant to the plot? If they watched towards the end it became pretty clear that the relationship is at the core of the entire series! The scenes were nothing worse than any other sex scene shown after 9! the only difference is that its two men!
    Torchwood is also tagged as the ADULT spinoff from Doctor Who, if parents are really that worried about what their children see then watching the last three seasons or just the billing of it in that way should have steered them well clear of it?

    1. Owen it’s highly likely that they don’t usually watch Torchwood and probably didn’t even watch until the end, if they even watched at all.

      They may well have just read about the episode and decided to complain.

    2. Rashid Karapiet 30 Aug 2011, 6:59pm

      Apropos Dr. Who, I watched last Saturday’s episode – couldn’t follow what was going on – and was appalled by the level of physical violence depicted which seems to mean it’s okay for the little kiddies to be shown any amount of blood and guts and violent wounds but potentially damaging for them to be shown men NOT killing and wounding each other. But, of course, this is what happens when Mad Meg and the Daily Mail become the arbiters of taste and morality. I’ve always thought the BBC was run by adults.

      1. I agree Dr Who sometimes scares the sh!t out of me. I would not show that to kids but I like to watch it as an adult.

  6. How many million watched this? We are talking about 500 people here that got the hump over a fairly tame sex scene. Just tell the moaning minnies to get a life!

  7. You know this whining about gay sex makes me laugh. Jack was tortured he was shot, cut with knives and machetes and so on, was soaked in blood and yet that is fine for the people who complained yet oh two men in bed the horror of it! So much for tolerance eh?

    1. That’s the point tho. Heteros don’t mind seeing kiLLing, just no same sex kiSSing. I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that it was 500 members of a far right christian group. And I’m sure if you asked all 500 complainers which newspaper they read. It would be the daily mail. And I’m sure the 500 complainers would have never even watched another episode of torchwood in their lives.

      1. @Uh Oh. “Heteros don’t mind seeing kiLLing, just no same sex kiSSing.”

        I disagree there are lots of hetrosexual women who like to see two men kissing and lots of hetrosexuals who really don’t care about seeing gay sex on tv. This isn’t a hetrosexual issue it’s a homophobe issue.

        1. You’re right Joss. Change the word hetero’s to homophobes.

          1. But don’t forget, 99 per cent of homophobes are also heterosexual.

    2. Exactly: unlike the previous sex scene, this one was so integrated to the storyline and plot that it was a logical evolution of their relationship and made perfect sense – and it was the least unpleasant part. As you say, Jack is tortured, shot, stabbed, sliced open, a bullet in the forehead – and a “sex-scene” that wouldn’t be out of place at noon is what some idiots are complaining about?

      If any child was watching this, they should be placed into foster care (preferably with a gay family) and their parents charged with neglect.

    3. that scene even grossed me out and i am a avid watcher of both Doctor Who and Torchwood, so I think the sex scene was not that bad compared to when they literally took a vial of his blood after cutting him up with knifes and watching him come back to life. damn people need to get a life, if you don’t think it was bad to show your kids that and not two people just having a moment with eachother, then don’t watch it’s as simple as that. the scenes they showed on the episodes were tame in my opinion. they could have been a lot worse.

  8. Oh get over your self’s, gay sex scenes, have they never watched Touchwood before ?? the only complaint i have with the program is that they have let the U.S $ ruin it.

  9. I personally think that the sex scene was a little unnecessary.

    It’s obvious that Russell T is trying to do a lot to normalise gay relationships, but he’s not so much promoting them as slapping the viewers in the face with them

    1. Mumbo Jumbo 30 Aug 2011, 11:43am

      Stephen Fry on the joys of the unnecessary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF5nHuGB2ZU

      1. edwarddwoodjr 30 Aug 2011, 8:59pm

        Love it! Such a great point. And I simply don’t have enough room here to list everything that is unnecessary…

    2. ooer missus 30 Aug 2011, 1:48pm

      I checked the credits at the end of the show, it was written by one woman, and directed by another woman.

      Given what we’re told about what happens in the next episode, the sexual nature of their relationship and the internal guilt it causes to Jack’s lover are extremely integral to the plot.

  10. Is there a way of starting some sort of online group some how somewhere, where we can all follow and comment when we seen hetrosexual kissing etc on tv so that we can counteract these stupid complaints for gay kissing? Maybe a face book page or something?

    1. If there isn’t then maybe you should make one.
      And even if it doesn’t turn out to be a serious page, it’ll be a laugh.

  11. Mumbo Jumbo 30 Aug 2011, 11:36am

    I thought all good Daily Mail readers had their children in bed by 21.00.

    You can use the link below to complain about the complaints: http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 Aug 2011, 11:40am

      Clearly Daily Mail readers make irresponsible parents.

      What a surprise… Not!

    2. David Myers 31 Aug 2011, 10:36am

      Thanks for the link. I’ve sent my complaint about the complaints. Please everyone, do the same. Thanks.

  12. Jock S. Trap 30 Aug 2011, 11:39am

    “According to the Daily Mail, complaints claimed that the scenes were “pointless”, irrelevant to the plot and unsuitable for children.”

    Erm, I thought that was why it was on after the 9pm watershed.

    Seems like some people are complaining for the sake of it as it’s not up to the BBC what parents allow their children to watch or not to watch.

    Having said that is a kiss and the pair shown in bed really something to complain about? Maybe next time the BBC should just keep in the scene, instead of cutting.

    It wouldn’t have been ‘pointless’ then and clearly it would have made no difference.

  13. “Unsuitable for children”

    Since when has Torchwood been for children?? I bet if there were loads of “raunchy” heterosexual sex scenes there wouldn’t have been one complaint.

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 Aug 2011, 11:41am

      Of course not. Think it’s some complaining for the sheer sake of complaining, without an actual reason to complain.

  14. I ganderton 30 Aug 2011, 11:41am

    Those who complain are guilty of discrimination and if they don’t want their children to watch perhaps they should get them to bed before 9pm! I can’t believe that in 2011 these people are happy to watch swearing violence even sexual abuse but a gay kiss causes offence. Didn’t realise we were still living in Victorian England.

    1. edwarddwoodjr 30 Aug 2011, 9:02pm

      I’d wager there was quite a bit of gay going on in Victorian England, lol. But I totally agree with you.

  15. Jock S. Trap 30 Aug 2011, 11:43am

    Mind you 500 complaints from now many millions watching?

    1. Jock S. Trap 30 Aug 2011, 11:43am

      Sorry how many millions…. that should have read.

  16. This is nonsense of course. Torchwood in on STARZ in the US which is a premium channel you have to pay for. If you don’t like the gay scenes then cancel your subscription. THere is more sex, nudity and gayness on TRUE BLOOD on HBO. If you don’t want you child exposed to homosexuality don’t let him watch Torchwood. Or does the British Public expect the government to nanny them. Whoever said that the sex scenes had nothing to do with the plot are idiots, for actually the sex scene had everything to do with the plot as viewers will soon find out.

    1. Galadriel1010 30 Aug 2011, 7:25pm

      That’s the US. We can’t cancel our subscriptions here.

      (I completely agree that the complaints are absurd, and would much rather complain about the gratuitous depictions of torture and the terrible writing and plotting, but I have no clue where you were going with that)

      1. True Blood was so much more Raunchy than that little bit they showed on Torchwwod. The kiss pales in comparison to what they have showed on TB. I could barely watch that show because of all the sex in it, it has a great plot and i have read or am reading the books. the TV show is a lot worse.

        people need to think and look at what their children could be shown before complaining about a little kiss between two men.

  17. It’s shown after nine, it doesn’t show any actual nudity and it’s to be expected from torchwood. IF you don’t think why on earth are you watching it?

  18. I blooming (insert more appropriate expletive) well wish that people would stop assuming Torchwood is for children. It’s not, it never has been and those that assume it is have never watched the programme.

    It’s on after the watershed. It’s lead character is a self-acclaimed bi-sexual, the other characters in previous series have had similar ambiguous sexualities.
    The blooming director made “Queer as Folk” dagnabbit. What are folk wanting? There’s a touch of watching something expecting to be horrified and surprise surprise they are .

    This is a stoked up story by the Mail and probably some sort of cultural interest group. Would be interesting to see if most of the complaint phone calls are allied to one particular group

  19. I have set up the following group on facebook:
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/hktvwatchdog/
    A pointless group if you ask me, but maybe one that needs some attention to make a point about the needlessness of it all?

  20. i haven’t seen the programme but these complaints about too much gayness could also be put into other contexts.

    i am studying linguistics and have access to language data bases – it is astounding how in frequently – gay -homosexual – as words occur in spoken and written texts in the broader context of news and conversation.

    it is little wonder that when gay issues are shown that some people find it too much. they are not aware of how much their own sexuality obscures ours.

    time for a mass daily kiss in and a mass daily coming out.

    as Stonewall says – some people are gay get used to it

    so viewers of torchwood – get very used to it.

  21. if every single gay person started complaining about the “needless religious scenes” in TV shows and movies, MAYBE they would see the irony of it?

    Imagine the headlines? “BBC gets 120,000 complaints about religious material in television show”

    1. Thats kinda my idea of setting up the facebook group in response to this :-)

    2. Another Hannah 30 Aug 2011, 5:45pm

      Problem is I don’t watch them if thye’ve all that in them….

    3. edwarddwoodjr 30 Aug 2011, 9:04pm

      Perfect point!

  22. Ronete Cohen 30 Aug 2011, 12:12pm

    Okay, here we go again. Captain Jack is omnisexual and not gay. So when you call a sex scene with him ‘gay’ you’re erasing his identity. Omnisexuals and bisexuals exist.Our sexuality doesn’t change according to whom we have sex with. Don’t make us invisible by labelling it incorrectly.

    1. Another Hannah 30 Aug 2011, 5:44pm

      Could you explain this concisely for somone who can’t really be bothered with all this stuff, but feels they ought to know? What exactly is omnisexual?

    2. Galadriel1010 30 Aug 2011, 7:28pm

      Barrowman and RTD were the ones who described him as gay this series. Complain to them about retconning his sexuality (and most of the Torchwood continuity)

      Bitter, me? Never

  23. Cannot stand John Barrowman, fake man, with a fake accent and a fake tan.

    1. While i dont personally see the appeal, one thing about his sex scenes in torchwood is that they make us realise how bad straight actors are at gay sex scenes. His look real, none of the hollywood movie ones do.

    2. Oh how green is your envy. Get a life.

    3. Another Hannah 30 Aug 2011, 5:43pm

      Doesn’t seem a false accent, fake tan. Nice enough bloke – never watched that saturday night show – too cheesy for me.

      1. He is scottish, talks in a scots accent when in scotland, and an fake american one when everywhere else… hes said it himself..

        1. Actually his American accent is NOT faked. It is the outcome of having lived the first 9 or so years of his life in Scotland & then moving the American Midwest, where he spent the next 10 or so years of his life until he moved back to the UK. So yes it may not sound like your typical Midwest accent but that is because it was overlaid onto a Scottish accent.

          It’s called being bidialectal, look it up.

    4. if you have ever met the guy you would see that he is a wondeful kind and genuine person,as i found out when i met him recently he may be gay but i like him for the person he is not for his sexuality.

  24. Ordinarily I prefer my sci-fi stuff to be without sexual stuff. On thinking back to those episodes though they weren’t explicit. There was kissing and a bit of ‘horsey’ that’s all. I think the only people who complained were parents who were frightened of their kids asking questions. The parents were too uncomfortable with it.

  25. a) Torchwood isn’t meant for kids, is it?

    b) If kids end up watching it, what’s so “inappropriate” about them seeing two men kissing and in bed together – some of them will see this every day of their lives, with more gay couples being parents

    c) People who complain about innocuous scenes like this are weird

  26. Can anyone confirm whether John ‘Jazz-Hands’ Barrowman’s acting has improved at all since the last series? I’d watch anything with two guys nailing each other provided Barrowman wasn’t part of the action.

    1. I suggest porn…

      …the acting is better.

      Oh wait not really. Just watch it on iplayer, on mute with subtitles then it really doesn’t matter what the acting is like.

    2. I tried to watch it. But jazz hands is so bad. And his hair looks like a wig.

    3. Another Hannah 30 Aug 2011, 5:41pm

      Barrowman’s acting is fine, nothing wrong with it, you evidently don’t watch mush telly.

  27. Children’s show? Why on earth would anyone call this a children’s show? Just because it’s sci-fi? That’s just moronic. Anyway, for once I’m glad I live in the U.S. and get the ‘raunchy scenes’. It has always bothered me that there have never been gay characters in any sci-fi. I just with Jack were gay, not ‘omnisexual’.

  28. So, what’s a few hundred viewers less? Stop watching the damn series. I, for one, love this US version…perhaps what the complainers can’t stand is a man who feels so damn much.

  29. Exactly, Rick!

    I loved this comment…”Although US audiences saw the raunchy scenes, BBC bosses decided they would be too explicit for a UK audience, even after the watershed.”

    Seems to me that it mirrors American society more than the British. 500 complaints isn’t a lot to be concerned about either.

    Jim, we don’t hear a peep when it’s explicit heterosexual scenes from these 500 complaining. All they have to do is STOP watching it, or switch the channel. It’s unbelieve in this day and age in modern Britain we still have censorship, yet gratuitous violence and sexual abuse of women on the screen is permissible. Again, not a peep out of these whiners and religious ninnies.

    We’re becoming more like America when I read this sort of thing.

    1. edwarddwoodjr 30 Aug 2011, 9:07pm

      I’m a natural born US citizen, and by all means do whatever necessary NOT to become anything like America in this regard. Serious pathetic freaks control the political climate, news, well on and on and on…

  30. Maybe it’s possible to watch the scenes available to American audiences online?

    1. http://www.sidereel.com it even shows it before it comes out in the UK :)

  31. ooer missus 30 Aug 2011, 1:50pm

    The article is wrong about the writer, I checked the credits at the end of the show, it was written by one woman, and directed by another woman.

    Given what we’re told about what happens in the next episode, the sexual nature of their relationship and the internal guilt it causes to Jack’s lover are extremely integral to the plot.

  32. omg get a life people!!!!

  33. I think it is time we swamped the BBC with congratulatory emails. I have just done so. If people do this they will realize who appreciates it more than hates.

  34. I know this site is Pink News UK and that the BBC is in limited broadcast here in the U.S., So this may sound a little odd, but these complaints came to BBC UK right? and they were from UK residents right?

    The reason I ask is because you might remember a little kerfuffle here in the US a while back involving a “wardrobe malfunction” and the Superbowl?

    That led to the FCC raising the fines against tv stations who allow violations to be jumped 20 fold for each instance and that each individual station carrying the infraction being responsible, not just the broadcaster. That was caused by 300 (or so) complaints by a very tight religious group in Michigan/Minnesota who are the only people who file complaints about our tv shows. The only way to counter them is find out where the complaints come from and prove their agenda. The idea of filing complaints about anti-gay religious broadcasts is brilliant but will give them more chances to whine about being persecuted.

    1. This is all about the UK.

      Offcom is the equivalent to the FCC I think and they are not going to fine the BBC over this since they are not in any breach of regulations. The real danger is if the BBC decide not to show any other gay content in the future because of this response.

  35. Peter & Michael 30 Aug 2011, 2:54pm

    Well, we too, are fed up with scenes of heterosexual touching and kissing on tv, could we not have the same proportion of gay fondling, kissing and touching, to neutralise stereotypical attitudes.

  36. Lots more scenes like it and as soon as posible please.My bit of the C of E woud love them.

  37. I wish poeple would just get over themsleves!! We (gay community) have to put up with the TV & films covered in hetro sex!!! I don’ go running to my computer everytime I sex a man & woman having sex to complain!! Frankly I find these people annoying!

    The scenes in the last episode were not gratuitous and were VERY different from episode 3! This was two people in love, where as before Jack just needed to let off sexual tention!

    I personally also thought it was apporpiate as it showed the love these two men havd for one another!!

    I wonder HOW many complained about the torture Jack went through! Or was that not shown in the UK version? I’m on holiday so I’ve only seen the US version to date!

  38. Use your remotes & change channels if you don’t like it! Or don’t you have such sophisticated items as remotes in the UK?? Coz we do in SA and that’s what I do when I don’t want to watch a specific program. Surely that is the answer to all those pathetic Mother Grundies who are complaining!! Get a frikken life and watch a gardening program instead!

  39. The bbc has to protect equal rights, and also has to add more lgbt scenes and movies to the films, overhalf of the nations is gay, and you make gay movies and add gay character to represent them, this is not a hetersexual world thank goodness, for good people who are gay are nobody would ever even see what decent safe families look like , becau;se the hetersexual , horrors are to no end, i talked to a man from itally a while back at a restraunt and he told me , maam your gay community is the only hope for civilization , i hate to say it but your the best we have , the hetersexual like me are a horror and has sent our nation down the sewer, and the men he said are and has never been any good for women what an honest statement coming from a hetero man

  40. I wish these people who are complaining about gay sex scenes would get a life! Have they nothing better to do with their sad boring lives? I feel sorry for any kids especially gay kids who have to listen to their parents saying how awful it is to see two men kissing on TV. They prefer to see butch guys killing each other every night on the news. Poor sods!

  41. Predictable. I bet most of the complainants didn’t even watch the show. They probably just responded to some order from a fundie site which told them they were to be outraged, and off they went banging away to their keyboards and frothing with rage/enthusiasm.

    I expect the BBC is ignoring them anyway. I don’t imagine the BBC has to justify sex scenes after the watershed – especially not tame ones.

    1. edwarddwoodjr 30 Aug 2011, 9:10pm

      OMG, that is hysterical! And point on.

  42. Simon Tanner 30 Aug 2011, 4:19pm

    I was glad to see the guy-on-guy action (as a hetro) if only to relieve the boredom of this latest series of Torchwood and in the vain hope that it will actually move the plot forward (it did).

    I think if this series was a bit more interesting there would be less focus on what might seem like gratuitous sex for some. It is surely 2-3 whole episodes too long as currently written. So my only criticism is not the sex (that’s fine) but that the writing/directing is so turgid and lacking in interest this time round that it’s about the only comment worthy aspect to the show.

    1. Turgid is the perfect word :) Of all the faults I could list in TMD this sex scene wouldn’t be one of them. It was one of the few things I liked.

  43. Complaint sent:
    Irregardless of my own sexual orientation, or the purported sexual orientation of the characters on Torchwood, I am heartily disgusted with the hypocrisy of those who complain about the gay sex scenes on Torchwood: Miracle Day. I’m from the U.S.A. and watch the series on the Starz Network, and I think that the scenes have been directed, written, and filmed wonderfully. Any American can see sex scenes done with far less taste, tact, or discretion on any number of our regular programming, and far worse on any of our paid-subscriber channels. The whining over the sexual content in Torchwood is nothing more than hypocritical smear campaigning on the part of those who would throw the U.S and the U.K. back into the Dark Ages. They have no agenda other than reversing and stamping out the enlightenment of humankind in regard to human sexuality, gender roles, science, and social interaction. They are fearful, ignorant, bigoted, and arrogant – and they desire nothing more than…

  44. …to foist their backward, oppressive, narrow, and misogynistic views on everyone. Please continue as you have begun with Torchwood: Miracle Day. The series, thus far, has been excellent – and I have enjoyed every episode.

  45. Is this the same lot that complained about the Christian/Syed bed scene in Eastenders?

    I swear, I thought we lived in the 21st century, but with the amount of complaining people are doing about the 2 sex scenes in this series, is ridiculous. Torchwood represent everything human, our reactions and actions and their consequences. People have sex, they flirt, they kiss, they’d kill to protect people they love, they’d do everything they could to keep people safe. Captain Jack’s character has been ‘sexy’ since Doctor Who.

    Also, WHO let’s a child watch TORCHWOOD! the bloody DVD’s are rating 15 for a REASON and it’s on post watershed for a REASON. The scenes with Jack and Angelo were gorgeous and told the tale of a romance, just like any rom com film. It’s like Jack said in this very episode.
    “What would god say if two men could love? oh no! that’s impossible…then if it’s impossible, then you can’t stay with me.” Don’t like, Don’t watch. Simple.

  46. Reading through these posts it occurs to me that nobody actually saw the episode – nor the completely gratuitous, over-the-top, predatory sex scene – in question, that had me squirming for the remote control. It had nothing to do with it being a gay sex scene, even if it seemed shoe-horned into the script solely to satisfy the BBC and Russell T Davies’ “gay agenda” and to appease Jack Barrowman, who seems to need no encouragement to flash his ar*e on telly at every opportunity. It would have been gratuitous and OTT in any sexual context! The writer, Jane Espensen, glossed over the scene entirely in question on her recent BBC blog, but of the many Torchwood fans who followed with their comments 90+ per cent pulled the program apart and attacked the prolonged “gay porn” scene as being entirely unnecessary in the context of the plot, which comprised of 10 minutes of story stretched into one hour. With viewers 3 million down on the last Torchwood series, people are switching off in droves.

    1. Another Hannah 30 Aug 2011, 5:31pm

      I was a bit bored during the sex scenes (am I supposed to be interested or something? I never am interested whovever is snogging etc…..now if it was me in the bedroom then i’d be a bit more interested, but otherwise forget it…..), but that was it. The more troublesome parts are somebody attempting to cut into someone’s chest with a big knife. You didn’t think that was gratuitous then? That says something doesn’t it. The peopel i know are saying this is one of the few genuine sci-fi progs around, and are grateful, unless you count cops and robbers dresses up like sci-fi (kind of tranny sci-fi do you think?).

  47. Another Hannah 30 Aug 2011, 5:26pm

    If your going to ban gay bedroom scenes (and that’s all these were) you must ban ALL bedroom scenes, or it isn’t equality. If you don’t like it don’t watch it, and children should be in bed anyway.

  48. Mary Baker 30 Aug 2011, 5:40pm

    oh fcuk them!

  49. I think its time us bisexuals and gay people started complaining about hetrosexual kissing and sex scenes on tv

    we should play them at their own game so may I suggest if you ever see a straight sex scene on tv before the watershed or after it ring ofcom and contact the broadcaster and express your disgust!

  50. Another Hannah 30 Aug 2011, 6:06pm

    They should be made to give complaints a s apercentage of viewers, other wise I think there’s adanger of a disproportionate response.

  51. Trish Kirby 30 Aug 2011, 6:18pm

    There were also lots of comments in praise, but the BBC haven’t mentioned those.

  52. how come when a man and a woman has sex as part of a tv plot it’s ok but 2 guy gays is so taboo.

    i see someone here saying that this is no ok for children, why? unlike doctor who torchwood is shown at 9pm past the watershed

    if you don’t want kids to see gay sex after 9pm put them to bed, i was in bed at 9pm until the day i left school

  53. Idiots.

    The relationship between them is key to the plot !

    They don’t spend an hour on a background story without it being connected to the plot

    Sadly this country is full of homophobes. :(

  54. to be honest, the entire episode was nothing more than padding.

  55. Bi Social Network 30 Aug 2011, 7:45pm

    For the love of all things Media. Captain Jack is Omisexual ie bi! in Scifi land, can you please, please stop calling it gay sex. The actor is gay but Capain Jack is Bi!!! Should we start calling gay folks straight?

    1. did the scene have 2 guys and a girl? no.
      i am pretty sure to be called a bi love scene a woman would need to be involved. you made no point whatsoever.

  56. if you read the BBC response they made it clear that TW had always included same sex scenes and relationships and that it was shown after the watershed.
    This is the Daily Mail who look for any angles which lampoon the BBC and JB.Recently they have been using gay issues to have ago-a very very very tiny percentage of the audience complained–and they are just using it to stir things up-its a right wing conservative paper for people of very little intelligence and the more it is discussed in the media the more they succeed-just a shame TW is not what it was-its loosing viewers but not because of the same sex scenes

  57. If they don’t like gay scenes then why are they watching Torchwood? Its pretty much guarenteed. Plus it wasn’t meant for children anyway so its up to the parents if they want their kids to watch it in the first place.

  58. Before we all get over excited, let’s not forget where this story originated, ie the Daily Mail. There probably were some complaints, there are idiots who sit at home waiting for the gay content to come on so they can complain about it, but you can bet your life the Daily Fail will have blown it out of all proportion. They do this every time and this is exactly the kind of reaction they’re hoping to provoke. They’re like playground bullies and if you ignore them they’ll go away.

  59. soapbubblequeen 30 Aug 2011, 10:08pm

    Mary Whitehouses, the lot of them. Turn it over then! And while you’re at it, point your remote at yourself and hold the mute button down!

  60. Love Captain Jack and John Barrowman

    I say give us more jack on anything lol

    Series is really getting interesting. Much better thn what Dr Who is doing these days. Much bigger tougher my clever and less gimmicky.

    This is all typical Daily Mail rubbish.

  61. So, over 500 people complained about the sex scene. How many thousands had no problem with it? The answer to people who have problems with the show? Don’t watch it.

  62. Hahahahahaha! Gawd,this DOES make me laugh.Mary Whitehouse kick-started all this crap about tv being the death knell for all things decent decades back.Yet somehow we’ve survived her & the other puritans.And WHAT a surprise that the Daily Mail is mentioned! Perhaps if every LGBT citizen refused to pay their tv licence fee the BBC would sit up & take notice.Look,this will all blow over like it always does.

  63. I thought that scene between Jack and Angelo was really well done – erotic, romantic and caring – especially the post-coital talk. The scene with Jack and the guy he picked up was plain ol’ hot!

    I am a straight woman – who misses romance and excitement in TV….

  64. I bet this is orchestrated from somewhere in bigotland. Has anyone had a look at UK Christian Right websites to ferret out who might be responsible?

  65. Hey, let’s complain about the sado-maso-Christian scenes on “Passion of the Christ” the next time it’s aired on telly…

  66. I am totally engrossed in Torchwood, getting more excited by each episode. I think they are blowing this way out of proportion. 500pers isn´t a big number at all. I am sure there´s always some homophobic right wing christans (take your pick which of those it was that complained) complaining over gay-hetero-bi sex on tv. The scenes were actually rather romantic than sexy although John Barrowman is just about the sexiest man on tv. I´ve lost count of how many of my friends(straight and gay men and women) have commented on that fact. He oozes sexuality wich I think is what affronts these people, someone so natural in his own sexuality. Not apologising for anything, I just love it. So heres my vote to support romantic/sexy scenes on tv that are relevant to the story line (which this obviously was)

  67. I suspect these same people would complain if someone put a pair of knickers on the washing line. They know more about anal than most it seems.

  68. Ben Foster 31 Aug 2011, 5:10pm

    there are near enough 50 million people in the UK, plus six million in Ireland watching BBC. 500 people complained! JUST 500. The BBC should just tell them to get a life.

    I think the new Torchwood is dire, but I defend their right to do what they did in the “Immortal Sins” episode which was a cut above the rest.

  69. Lamda literaacy award have got to help work with BBC and other movie artists with engraphting more lgbt materials over half our nations is gay and needs our own entertainment from love stories to commedy, for the hetersexuals turn the channel and get to something else there is other stations, get out of our faces, on screen, as a bigot you dont have to watch a gay channel idiot its for gay families, lambda literacy need to preserve a literacy awards also that is soley for lgbt children upcoming writers, and adult , for they have been overlooked greatly in the hetesexual world they need something of there own because of racism and unfairness, and at least they no its not becaause their gay they did not get it , because its all gay, they deserve their awards done fairly for them also, you make another one just for lgbt, if you broaden the otherone , we are trying to give lgbt communities their own areas of non racism in some areas. like museusms restraunts, hotesl lgbt centers for kids

    1. Bored with trolls 31 Aug 2011, 10:14pm

      well, no. not really. a gay channel would just marginalise gay issues. besides, i turn my TV on to be entertained. i don’t just want to watch gay issue programmes. I’ll watch any good drama or comedy or a decent docuentary on an subject. But the BBC have to tell these 500 homophobes to sod off and stop making a big deal about seven minutes of what was surprisingly tasteful grown up TV.

  70. Personally, I think the scene was shot PERFECTLY, and DELIBERATELY. In showing a straight sex scene and a gay sex scene intercut the way they did, they were basically ASKING the homophobes to out themselves. Both Rex and Vera’s scene and Jack and the bartender’s scene had the same amount of skin, the same amount of thrusting and moaning, hell even the same positions! And yet, sure enough, 500 bigots threw a hissy not about sex, but about the GAY sex. Their names should be made public so that people know who still lives in the dark ages.

    1. Ben Foster 1 Sep 2011, 12:25pm

      I thought it was the recent episode that was all about Jack ans Angelo that upset them. But it is homophobic BS. every one knew it was coming. John Barrowman shouted it from the rooftops weeks before. Mansex on Torchwood. anyone with issues shouldnt have watched. They did it deliberately to complain.

  71. Gay sex between men has been around for millions of years – why are people offended by it.

    I swear some people are way more obsessed with gay sex then a gay man like me with a military husband who enjoys having anal sex 3 times a week!!!!

  72. To people who complain about explicit scenes on the tv… If You don’t like gay sex in Torchwood, don’t watch it then!!! Just because of some close-minded people, most of us (real fans) can’t see the full storyline! I, personaly, do not give a f*** about children watching it. It’s parents choise if they let kids watch it or not. So before complaining, Think maybe You are in the wrong and You do far more worse for Your children than the show in the first place!

  73. albrazier 1 Sep 2011, 9:19pm

    I can see from reading these comments that they are not the concerns of sci-fi fans….just rants from gays who won’t be happy till they can do it in the street!

    1. Actually I’m a massive Sci-Fi fan I love Star Trek and Doctor Who etc etc. None of these have gay sex in them but I like them anyway however why should we show straight sex scenes and not gay ones in a adult Sci-Fi drama to which it adds to the story line.

      1. albrazier 3 Sep 2011, 9:34am

        At last…your’e a sci-fi fan…..so am i & would like to watch the show without the shagging scenes regardless of if they are hetro or homo…it dosen’t add to the story line for me…….I thought Johnny Bs snogging sessions in past episodes were bold & adventurous enough to spice things up….less was definiately more!

    2. Uh huh, albrazier, and all those straight people who took umbrage at Mary Whitehouse complaining about straight sex scenes on TV just wanted to ‘do it in the streets’ too, right?

      1. albrazier 2 Sep 2011, 4:51pm

        If you lot went onto your favourite sausage jockey site & found it full of sci-fi you’d complain like buggery (oops pardon me.) so spare a thought for those of us who are getting it the other way round (oops pardon me again.)

        1. U’re such a stupid noob. The guy who reinvented Doctor Who and Torchwood is gay. And WTF is a sausage jockey site? Let’s hope you leave more of your enlightening comments. I love reading gay closet cases on Pink News. Nobhead.

          1. albrazier 3 Sep 2011, 9:13am

            Oh not the closet bit again……it’s so yesterday!

        2. “If you lot went onto your favourite sausage jockey site & found it full of sci-fi you’d complain like buggery”

          Eh? Are you drunk? Is that supposed to pass as a logical argument? I suppose if we went to our favourite gay site (i.e. this one) and saw bigots and bible lunatics spewing their usual filth, you’d spare a though for us?

          You fool.

          1. I must admit, i did have a couple of stiff ones when i wrote that……PS There’s nothing biblical about not wanting to stare at butts……has it ever occured to you that it dosen’t excite everyone?…..Now you can zapp me with your closet accusation ray gun again…..Agggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh.

          2. “has it ever occured to you that it dosen’t excite everyone?”

            Why would I care about that? I do not spend my time thinking about straight people having sex, nor does it upset me to see it on TV. Its called not being obsessed.

            “Now you can zapp me with your closet accusation ray gun again”

            On the contrary, I couldn’t care less if your closet or not, your difficulties are irrelevant. Indeed, the only thing I see here is a stupid person ranting on a gay site while protesting about “not wanting to stare at butts”. And you’re the one protesting…….

      2. I think she played people for reactions……..they do that sometimes.

        1. If i’m ranting your’e positively steaming dear!

        2. Indeed. “They” do that a lot. Sometimes people in here do it to – what with the perpetual fear of “closet accusation ray guns” and demanding more straight sex while protesting the amount of TV “butts” on a gay site.

          Some people are just desperate morons, eh?

          1. Indeed they are sir!

          2. I’m glad you agree. I feel that everyone has the right to be stupid, but some abuse the privileged, don’t they?

          3. Will……I think iv’e run out of steam……..all my bigotry & hate has dissipated & it’s all down to you……coming here has been a bit of a Narnia experience & i hope to return one day…….No long goodbyes, just let me go & remember what we had……albrazier.

          4. Quite obsessed with that closet you protects so much about, aren’t you. How odd.

            But do come back, we do love the odd idiot bigot or two, they help remind us of how easy it is to win over your kind!

            Ta Ta & Kisses darling!

          5. albrazier 3 Sep 2011, 3:14pm

            I said no goodbyes naughty boy….PS “Win me over.”……in your dreams.

          6. Are you still here? I though you were gone to watch dirty si-fi tv or something?

            Win you over, or make you look like the fool you are in public, either is good.

          7. Poor old albrazier. Can’t get enough of the gay sites it seems. Has to keep coming back. Like a dog.

  74. In the last season, “Children of Earth”, young children were shown being used by aliens, having chemicals drained from their bodies so that the aliens could get high. The aliens also took control of all of the children and walked them to ledges of buildings. Children were rounded up by way of a lottery in order to be sold into drug/child trafficking by the aliens.

    A man brutally died by way of his brain turning into liquid…

    Despite the sexual content, gay or straight, this is not a show for young children. Doctor Who, maybe. Torchwood: most definitely not (hence being aired after 9PM)

  75. Paul Halsall 2 Sep 2011, 1:49pm

    The BBC really does not have an “approval” page, only one for complaints.

    I for one tried to vote for more oof the same after the Torchwood episode.

  76. Richard Clemments 2 Sep 2011, 2:30pm

    I was completely and utterly disgusted and repulsed when i first saw these scenes, but to find out that there were some more scenes after at least two episodes was just disappointing. These scenes are pointless and filthy! To think that BBC would show pretty much “soft gay porn” on television is just unacceptable and shows just how poor the show is if they’re going to go that far.

    1. And are straight sex scenes porn too? See, I find them pretty unappealing but I simply turn over or zone out while they’re on. Torchwood is what it is. If you don’t like sex scenes in your sci-fi why watch it?

      The biggest problem with TMD isn’t the sex scenes, it’s that it’s so very, very boring. Each episode drags – never thought i’d say that about Torchwood :(

      1. albrazier 3 Sep 2011, 9:19am

        Unfortunately there aren’t any straight sex scenes in the show……i would love to see Gwen with her kit off!

        1. “These scenes are pointless and filthy!”

          “i would love to see Gwen with her kit off!”

          Well, what a balanced argument we have there, eh?

          1. You can’t have it both ways………or can you?

          2. I didn’t ask for it “both ways”. You did.

        2. No straight sex scenes?? So what was Rex and Vera then? Or all the other straight sex scenes in previous Torchwood seasons?

          Nevermind, don’t let facts get in the way of your prejudice, eh?

    2. Pointless and filthy? Disgusted and repusled? LOL. Watch CBBC, it might be more your thing. Rory the racing car driver is good for someone with your mental age. My 3 year old loves it.

  77. Linda Hadley 3 Sep 2011, 9:19pm

    Ok, don’t have a problem with gay sex scenes any more than hetero ones. Not fussed on either as they’re both usually badly done, unrealistic and there just to pad out the plot or generate some viewing interest. Torchwood has previously handled relationships beautifully, Jack & Ianto were one of the most moving romantic couples on tv. The scene in this series was typical US soft focus slushy background music pap – yuk – until the murder attempt livened things up a bit. It was however integral to the plot, past the watershed and in a programme not designed for children in any shape or form. Parents, please, if you allow your kids to watch adult programmes then you should be discussing the issues and educating them (Daily Mail readers please ignore, we do not want you passing on your many prejudices) The main point for me is that this series is a massive disappointment to us Torchwood fans as it’s well below Russell T’s record of entertainment, realism and cracking good writing.

  78. Don Harrison 5 Sep 2011, 6:06pm

    No good being negative.
    We all need to praise gay kissing and othe gay scenes

  79. Don Harrison 5 Sep 2011, 6:12pm

    To whom at the BBC do we talk to?
    So we can praise gay scenes?

  80. to me the sex scenes(both gay and straight) are over the top and completely out of place….shock value? i watch this show DESPITE the totally valueless sex scenes. Let me ask you this…..if the sex scenes were deleted , or, scaled back, do you think the show would still be awesome? i got the character Jack was gay or bi or omni or whatever right away/ don’t really need man love scenes to further the point. Again, imo, the sex scenes, gay or straight , are not needed at all. I guess the writer who is gay just can’t help throwing it in our face..

  81. I loved the scene manly because john is so hot even if he is gay i loved seeing him being himself I always say What a waste to woman kind he is. but as long as he,s happy being himself that all that matters i would snog him any day.

  82. Torchwood is an offshoot of Dr Who series, a childrens Sci-fi.
    So what comes next in the pipeline ?
    Is Dr Who becoming gay too ?
    What after that ? These are mild scenes ?
    Ok why not go all the way with the gay porn and be done with it ???
    Yeah show it on childrens TV.

    Actually, I was horrified with the unnecessary and controversial sex scenes in the series when all I wanted to see was a good sci-fi.
    Instead I saw bad sci-fi with gay porn.
    And every third line in the script has some reference to gayness and sex.

    It is a shame and a disgrace to the BBC and the british culture in my opinion.

    And if Russell T Davies is gay, he also shows lack of good taste and consideration to those that are not of his orientation.

    Finally, what is it with the gay people ?
    A chip on your shoulder ?
    Be gay who cares but why flaunt it…?

    Just so I would understand:

    Are you gay people actually turned off by heterosexual love scenes ?
    I am turned off by gay ones for sure.

  83. I think it is about time for some real gay love scenes. Sex and tv have been happening for years. It is now time let everyone in on it. This only makes me want to watch it more knowing they are pushing down the walls so to speak. Oh and I am a straight woman from southern USA. If I can get over it and enjoy it, so can you.

  84. “Too explicit for a UK audience?” What is this…. no sex please, we’re British? It’s alright to see Page 3 girls in their knickers and knockers but men kissing and in bed together is pointless? Hypocrites!!

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