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  1. And the fun thing is, in this modern and electronically connected world it is very easy to email said bridal shop and point out that the actions are no different from what an anti-semite or a white supremacist would do. Simple fact – if you don’t want to be called a bigot, don’t act like a bigot.

    1. You’d think WWII would have taught this “female dog” (shopowner) a lesson – her close relatives prob shared the ovens with germany’s gays

      Welcome to religion – the curse of humanity.

      it always needs someone to hate – to help fill the collection plates and keep the people from asking the right questions – liek who made god, where is he, why is there so much suffereing in so many ways.

      Some say God gave man free will – thats just another bull feces excuse.

      1. hating people who believe is every bit as irrational illogical and bigoted as hating gay people.

        no believers do not need to hate.

        god is not a thing so there was nothing to make, for example. if “god” isn’t a thing it doesn’t have to be anywhere.- god isn’t male or female. by definition.- there are plenty of religions with gay clergy, gay believers gay saints going through history.

        throwing your prejudice at their prejudice is a hate race.

        stupid atheists and stupid believers are every bit equally stupid.

      2. To throw hate against the church, or what people believe, reflects the same attitude they give to the GLBT community. Respecting their beliefs, but not accepting their authority over our lives, can create change.

        But to lash out, name call, and make slanerous comments only continues a battle that will never end. Let’s not continue hateful dialogue. If the church wishes to be hateful, it is their right. But we can choose compassion and kindness. Ironic isn’t it…

  2. Stuart Neyton 22 Aug 2011, 5:05pm

    Sounds like this shop is run by a horible lady. This is exactly why LGBT people need legal protection from discrimination in goods and services, as well as every other right. This is basic stuff

  3. @Valsky Yeah! I just signed up to a review website and gave her 1 star! Kinda fun!

    1. Love that Nick :P

  4. This is outrageous – the shopkeeper’s duty is to provide a garment, the use that it’s being put to should be none of her concern.
    .
    Mind you, it’s a bit odd that the order form mentions a partner – what difference should that make to the provider of a dress?

    1. Sadly that is not the case The shopkeepr can refuse to sell you anything without a reason BUT lucky in a way this shopkeeper has let the world know what SHE thinks So now we all have a chice NOT to use her shop …

      1. friday jones 22 Aug 2011, 8:37pm

        Untrue, in New jersey a shop that is open to the public has the status of a “public accommodation,” and it is actually illegal for the shop owner to refuse service based on sexual orientation or marital status:
        http://www.nj.gov/oag/dcr/accom.html

        1. hopefully when the lawyers are through the shop will be renamed with a sign………..

          Gays and lesbians welcome. We own this place

  5. It appears Ms Phobic Saber assumed the bride was going to marry in NJ? oops

    1. Even in New Jersey, Saber had to sell her the dress, because NJ has civil unions.

      1. So you’re saying shops anywhere in the world should check if selling a wedding dress is actually going to be used for a wedding or a civil union?

        I might want to buy one to wear at clubbing :P

        Americans are the weirdest of all bigots

      2. sorry mate but you do not have the right to be sold anything !

        Vote with your feet and go somwhere that will trest you with respect and deservs our money and suport

        1. In most countries Nel it is simply not true that you “do not have the right to be sold anything”. Try for example using that excuse on someone who is refused service because they are black!

          (and quite right too)

      3. even if she got married, it wouldn’t have been “illegal”. you can marry in common law states and the marriage is recognized. even in states which do not recognize common law marriage, then the marriage is not recognized but not illegal. that’s hate speech.

  6. It wants some straight brides to take their business away from her, Amazing how quickly her principles will wither in the face of hard economic facts.

    1. Yep tell your friends and anyone you know NOT to shop there and see how long the manager keeps her job ?

      Times are hard and weddings are not cheap So lets spend our money where we are treated with respect …

  7. Donna Saber refused to sell Alix Genter a wedding dress because she is gay.

    People can believe what they wish.
    N.J. Law Against Discrimination includes discrimination by a business against an individual on the basis of sexual orientation.
    The Division on Civil Rights may impose penalties of up to $10,000 for first violations.
    http://www.nj.gov/lps/dcr/law.html

  8. Pamela & Ginger Buck 22 Aug 2011, 6:37pm

    The fact is NJ has anti-discrimination laws in effect which bar businesses from discriminating based on “sexual orientation”. They also have civil unions laws in effect for same-sex couples. “The New Jersey Law Against Discrimination, amended to include sexual orientation and gender identity in 1991 and 2006 prohibits discrimination in employment, housing, and public accommodations. In addition, criminal law deters bias-motivated crimes against LGBT individuals, and New Jersey schools are required to adopt anti-bullying measures that address LGBT students.” Besides the fact, its none of her damn business who, what, when or where the dress was being ordered. Just do your f%cking job and shut the f%ck up BIGOT!!!!

  9. Pamela & Ginger Buck 22 Aug 2011, 6:44pm

    For those of you with free long distance:
    What can you do? How about calling the bridal shop at (609) 926-0699 and letting them know how you feel about their bigotry? How about making them feel some shame? Or e-mail this wonderful woman at: spotthebun@yahoo.com

    1. DJ Sheepiesheep 22 Aug 2011, 8:34pm

      They have a website too at http://www.herecomesthebridenj.com. It would be very naughty indeed if some IT savvy individual were to impair it’s function in some way ;-)

      1. UnravThreads 22 Aug 2011, 10:04pm

        MIDI music on a website? What is this, 1998?

      2. What you are suggesting is a criminal offence. No surprise really.

        1. DJ Sheepiesheep 23 Aug 2011, 12:11am

          Oh, I’m full of dastardly crime, me!

          1. Well it just underscores your lack of morals (you and those that support this action), resorting to criminality!

          2. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 9:46am

            If you treat people like sh!t Keith, you should expect to be treated the same.

            Being Gay is not a crime, it doesn’t matter what the gown was for, the woman is a business it is none of her business what the gown was for and who.

            She choose to be bigotted and homophobic and now she must reap the consequences.

            Something you lot seem oblivious about though isn’t it, consequences?

          3. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 9:47am

            Just like you the shopkeeper choose to make it her business when it wasn’t.

            I hope she goes out of business and makes way for a better winning shop instead.

        2. So’s refusing to serve her based on her sexual orientation. Except we can break the law anonymously.

    2. AS of 6pm eastern US standard time their voice malebox (not the spelling) is full and they dont answer.

    3. phone mail box full, no answer though its still working hours for them.
      sent email. Sri idont know how to overlay a swastika on their website, but maybe my otehr son does…………..

  10. This makes it even more urgent to enact marriage equality in the UK, NOW!

    1. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 9:47am

      Indeed it does.

  11. In New Jersey, you can not get “married” to a same sex partner but you can get a civil union with a same sex partner and the forms you fill out are the same for marriage and civil unions. The shop actually broke NJ law by refusing to sell the dress. I use to live in NJ and thought about my partner and I going through the Civil union there but we decided that Marriage was a better thing and went to Iowa instead.

  12. Staircase2 22 Aug 2011, 7:40pm

    How stupid is this woman?

    Even were she to be right about it being ‘illegal’ it certainly isn’t illegal to buy a bloody wedding dress for fvcks sake! – She’s clearly a bigot (which sort of rhymes with ‘idiot’ if you say them together…)

    And nor, in the UK, would she be able to get away with denying someone the sale of a wedding dress based on her own fvcked up prejudices

  13. Karin Robinson 22 Aug 2011, 7:41pm

    Also, the shopkeeper is just dead wrong – even if the wedding were taking place in New Jersey, the fact that the marriage would not be recognised does not make it “illegal” to have a wedding. Silly cow.

  14. Good to see this shopkeeper put her morals before profit. Personal morals should always trump profit.

    1. ahj – the morals of bigotry and hate. Sounds like a xtian talking.

      Sir – do you have that reversed gene that affects your alimentary canal.

      Or do you kiss the butt of the Pope RATZInger.

      http://www.nobeliefs.com/SIZAN.htm (reverse the capitalized letters

      1. I am sure that committing fornication and homosexual acts hate done more damage to society that abstaining from such acts. I despise organized religion and therfore do not endorse any of it , especially Catholicism.

        1. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 9:50am

          “fornication and homosexual acts”

          This is about a shopkeeper choosing to be bigotted. It was her that like you doesn’t see the person but what they do in bed.

          It is the likes of You that damages our society.

          Fvckin perv.

        2. ha[v]e done more damage to society tha[n] abstaining from such acts.
          .
          On the other hand I think it’s fairly well understood the damage that sexual repression can do and has done in the past, particularly with your beloved Catholic clergy.
          .
          And of course if gays were allowed to marry they wouldn’t necessarily all be ‘fornicating’ in the first place.

          1. I despise religion as I have said. it does not teach the bibles morals. Why would you say ” my beloved Catholic clergy” knowing it is a lie? Rather desperate I think!
            If gays abstained from gay sex and fornicators abstained until marriage and fornicated no more, Aids and other immoral plagues would fizzle out.

        3. Keith – you’re sure that homosexual acts have done more damage to society? Would you care to expand and also include any facts and figures that you have to hand? And when I say fact, I mean fact and not something you’ve made up or plucked from thin air.

          There is only one thing for sure Keith and that is that you’re talking out of your backside.

          Being a biggot Keith, does not equate to having morals. Which planet are you living on? Certainly not the same one as the rest of us. Why are you even on this site?

          1. Homosexuals sppread AIDs and then the heterosexual fornicators. Monkey meat apparentlu contained the original virus!

          2. Jock S. Trap 24 Aug 2011, 7:55am

            “homosexual acts” don’t start wars Religious texts do.

    2. Here is your morals as put forward in your “holy” book.

  15. Oh, why oh why?!!

    Yet again, the U.S rears its ugly, homophobic head. Is it just me, or does it seem that most of the news from the U.S concerns rampant homphobia?

    1. Winnie the poo 22 Aug 2011, 11:38pm

      yes – we made two horrible mistakes – after the civil war not hanging all the religious hater ministers who justified slavery as per the bible

      And during WWII not turning the Vatican into rubble

      http://www.nobeliefs.com/SIZANN.htm (reverse the 5 capitalize letters) to get the truth about the church.

      1. TELL THE PEOPLE THE TRUTH , THERE A MILLION DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF WHAT MEN CALLS BIBLES, PEOPLE WAKE UP THEY WHERE WRITTEN BY MEN , PEOPLE MEN WHO HAD PENCIL OR SOME TYPE OF WRITING EQUIPMENT TO WRITE WITH, REAL ANGELS DONT NEED WRITING EQUIPMENT AND PENCILS NOT THE ONES THAT ARE NOT HUMANS, MEN WROTE EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT DOWN FOR THE BENEFIT OF HETERSEXUAL MEN AND THEIR EVIL WAY;S TO MAKE THEM SELVES LOOK LIKE WHAT REALLY ISNT IN SOME PASSAGES, DEITY FOR ONE, YOU HAVE TO BE REAL INTELLIGENT AND GIFTED TO DISCERN THE TRUTH, ABOUT WHATS LIES AND NOT, BUT GET THIS , A CHILD OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND THAT GOOD MENS KINDNESS AND LOVE, AND HATE MENS BAD AND EVIL, WHAT COMES FROM BIGOTY, EUALS EVIL AND BAD , VIOLENCE , ABUSE, TERROIESM, DISCRININATIONS, EVIL, GET IT. ITS SIMPLY WRONG, NOT ANGELIC, PLUS DO YOU HAVE EYES, HAVE YOU SEEN THE LARGE NUMBER OF PASTORS WHO SAY THEY ARE CHRISTIANS WITH MEGA CHURCHES AND OTHERS BEING ARRESTED AND CONVICTED OF RAPE AND MURDER SOME VERY WELL NON

        1. No need to yell, Carrie; my eyes hurt.

          1. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 9:50am

            I can’t read it either.

          2. I just skip it…too bad… but I do..

          3. I just have to skip it aswell which is a shame because she seem’s so be saying so good things but I get a line in and my eyes give up.

  16. I see that the Christianophobics are out in force. Such intolerance!

    1. As a Christian, I promote Jesus—and frankly, Jesus would have given her the dress. I’m not against Christians. I’m against Christians who refuse to grow and learn. The disciples were willing to grow and learn. You talk of “morals” as if there is one set. I don’t find discrimination anywhere in the definition of “morals”–and I find morals that include bigotry and hate simply unrecognizable as “moral” anymore. Nothing covered in grimy hate ever looked like Jesus.

      1. Jesus certainly was against homosexuality. Jesus Christ declared that God’s Word is truth. (John 17:17) That means that he endorsed God’s view of homosexuality as described at Leviticus 18:22, which reads: “You must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.” Moreover, Jesus listed fornication and adultery among the “wicked things [that] issue forth from within and defile a man.” (Mark 7:21-23) The Greek word for fornication is a broader term than that for adultery. It describes all forms of sexual relations outside lawful marriage, including homosexuality. (Jude 7) Jesus Christ also warned his followers not to tolerate any professed Christian teacher who minimizes the seriousness of fornication.—Revelation 1:1; 2:14, 20.

        1. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 9:53am

          Truth is Keith, you choose to seperate and hate. You choose to hate love but you seem to find acceptable the other hates of the world. The wars, murders, famines mostly in your name.

          And yet you see nothing wrong in your hatred. How immoral is that?

          1. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 10:00am

            You say your married yet you spend so much of your time her and with clearly so much hate in you, you cannot have any room for love. Your poor wife. Prehaps like other ‘believers’ your the kind of person that beats his wife when she doesn’t do what you want.

            Seems to be a common theme with you lot.

        2. So therefor you aren’t free of any Mosaic laws as you said so you must stone your children for disobeying you cut off a woman’s hand for touching your genitals without permission and you also agree with slavery. Nice such a classy lot you aren’t you

          1. You clearly have not understood my post or choose not to.. Incidentally, the bible does not say you must cut off a woman’s hand for touching male genitals. Mor lies ,. or is it just ignorance?

          2. Matt. 5:17, 21, 23, 27, 31, 38: “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill.” Now, notice what Jesus included in his further comments. “You heard that it was said to those of ancient times, ‘You must not murder [Ex. 20:13; the Sixth Commandment]’ . . . If, then, you are bringing your gift to the altar [Deut. 16:16, 17; no part of the Ten Commandments] . . . You heard that it was said, ‘You must not commit adultery [Ex. 20:14; the Seventh Commandment].’ Moreover it was said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce [Deut. 24:1; no part of the Ten Commandments].’ You heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth [Ex. 21:23-25; no part of the Ten Commandments].’” (So, Jesus mixed together references to the Ten Commandments and other parts of the Law, making no distinction between them. Should we treat them differently?)

          3. Rom. 7:6, 7: “Now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast . . . What, then, shall we say? Is the Law sin? Never may that become so! Really I would not have come to know sin if it had not been for the Law; and, for example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: ‘You must not covet.’” (Here, immediately after writing that Jewish Christians had been “discharged from the Law,” what example from the Law does Paul cite? The Tenth Commandment, thus showing that it was included in the Law from which they had been discharged.)

          4. But Jesus never personally referred to homosexuals so how do you know that that is not one of the mosaic laws?

        3. Try watching this Keith you might actually learn something.

      2. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 9:51am

        Nice one Jerome, Here! Here!

    2. And you seriously wonder why?

    3. Though in fact I suspect most of us are not ‘Christianophobics’ since – as you’ve pointed out elsewhere – a phobia is an irrational reaction, and most of us contemptuous of mindless obedience to the much-translated writings of a long-gone desert cult are perfectly rational in our opposition to it.

      1. As is my rationale of homosexuality, only mine carries the authority of the bible. Your’s carries the authority of…you!

        1. No, keith, you haven’t posted any such bit from the bible condemning gay relationships – because they isn’t one.

          By all means, dislike gay relationships but don’t have the affrontery to claim some kind of divine permission to do so.

          And your marriage, not being in a church, only carries the authority of law NOT your beloved bible. So don’t sit and lecture us when you pick and mix from the bible as it suits you.

          1. What do you think the following is condemning?
            Romans 1 :24,26,27
            Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves.
            For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
            And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”
            Ps Are you going to now slam the KJ version? if so, I will quote from your chosen translation if you care to name it!

          2. No, I asked you to look at the original, keith. But eevn the KJ version shows that it’s talking about straight men having gay sex (leaving their women and having sex with men).

            While you’re poring over the original Greek, you might also like to read a bit about temple sex where it was an (unchristian) fashion for straight men to have sex with male temple prostitutes.

            But most of all, I’d like you to put down your bible for a moment and use your own brain. I was shocked to see you say that you wouldn’t know whether war was good or bad unless you’d read it in the bible. The bible condones slavery; says that women should marry the man who rapes them; says that brides who aren’t virgins should be stoned to death on their father’s doorstep etc etc

            Not the best place to get your morals without using your brain a little first.

          3. “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.” Gallatians5 22-23 why don’t you ever read these bits of the bible the bits that promote love over hate and as Lordy boy himself say’s there is no law against love.

  17. I don’t get what the stuff is about.

    Yes, homophobia is disgusting, but I would be happy if a shop owner made it clear that he or she was homophobic. I wouldn’t want to spend my hard earned money in a shop whose owners put on a fake smile whilst inside think ill of me.

    1. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 10:06am

      True but what business was it of hers to deny and question in the first place.

      This is supposed to be a happy occasion and already maked with bigotry.

      If he doesn’t approve thats entirely her problem but she had no right to withhold service or even question it.

      If people can only see other by sex and not the person then they deserve to go out of business.

      The world is changing for the better and these people, fight as they may, have got to realise that, just as there were problems accepting women rights or black rights, this is going to happen, we do have rights to be treated properly and fairly.

      These bigots need to be exposed.

  18. Same sex marriage may not yet be legal in NJ, but it is definitely not illegal to purchase a wedding dress. This shop keeper is simply trying to justify her own bigotry. Let’s hope the public now chooses to takes it’s business elsewhere.

    1. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 10:06am

      Exactly.

  19. ohh i noticed this in the ultra left highly strung nova gays. behind closed doors i have the right to be a gay man, which is why anybody has the right to insult or belittle me because of their beliefs. i mean, sure they could keep their fat holier than thou trap shut and save it for a more appropriate occasion.. but then i would have no idea how these people fealt about something that does not concern them in anyway at all.

    (thats a bit of sarcasm)

    1. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 10:10am

      Being Gay isn’t a right, it’s a matter of fact.

      Being treated like any other human being should be a matter of fact and is a right for and of all human beings.

      People may have the right to insult but that is a choice right to something I know I didn’t choose.

      (PS – OK sarcasm noted – still gonna post for the bigotted amongst us!)

  20. No, Saber, you are not entitled to the view that it is illegal.

    Whether Civil Unions are legal or not is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of legal fact. You are entitled to any opinion you please ABOUT that fact, but whether or not it is a fact is not up for debate.

  21. I sincerely hope this story is reposted over and over so that every bride with a brain stays clear of this shop, and makes sure to make it known why they did so.

  22. aLTHOUGH THAT HORRIBLE BLACK AND WHITE DOES NOT ADD TO BEAUTIFUAL COLOR JOYOUS WEDDING OF BRIGHTNESS, THESE COUPLE , HAD A RIGHT TO PURCHASE A WEDDING DRESS OF THEIR CHOICE, AND THE STORE HAS TO BE SUED FOR THE ABUSE AND ILLEGAL ACTION AND CRUDE ATTACKE ON THE COUPLE AND ACTIONS NEED TO BE TAKEN RIGHT AWAY, ANYTIME ANYONE OR ANY STORE OR ORGANIZATION ASSAULTS AND ABUSES ANY IN THE LGBT COMMUNITY THE ACLU AND GLAAD AND HUMAN RIGHTS HAS TO GET ON TOP OF IT, GAY LAWYERS, AND BOARDS, GET THE STORE SUED AND FIRE THE PEOPLE WHO ABUSSED THESE COUPLES IMMEDIATELEY, DONT WORK IN PUBLIC ARENA AROUND PEOPLE ALL OF THEIR MONEY PAYS YOUR PAY; CHECK, THE STORE AND CLERKS WHERE WRONG AND ABUSIVE OF THE PEOPLE

  23. Hypocrisy and truth wrapped up nicely here in this little production staring Neil Patrick Harris.
    It is interesting what Christians expect of gays in the way of their talents or services “yet” choose the bible to defend their rights to deny services to the same people who serve them!

    The clip is now older but still relative especially in light of discrimination by the bridal shop.

    1. eh,eh… same-sex marriages will save the American economy… love it!

  24. I just sent this to her email:

    “I’ve just read a news article about you and your awful policies at your bridal store. I am very glad that you pointed out your bigotry so that it can be published across the web and, hopefully, deter all current and future customers that are NOT homophobic from shopping at your store.
    So, do you hate black people too? And everyone else who is not just like you??
    Do you not see a parallel between your actions and the “No Coloreds Allowed” signs that were posted across the US for so long?

    Please, hang a “No Gays Allowed” sign in your shop window.

    Sincerely,

    A heterosexual female from North Carolina”

  25. Gay Daily Mail Reader 23 Aug 2011, 7:01am

    I love the smell of cooked goose in the morning! While gay marriage is still illegal in New Jersey I am sure that it is not illegal to sell a dress to be worn in New York where gay marriage is now legal. Thanks to the bigoted Donna Sabre ‘Here Comes The Bridge’ has just had it’s ‘Gerrard Ratner Moment’ and I am sure that gays and our allies in New Jersey will be ensuring that the staff and manager of that shop will be spending Christmas on the dole.

  26. Jock S. Trap 23 Aug 2011, 9:42am

    This is just ridiculous. If you don’t want business of your business don’t be a business.
    .
    There is no need for homophobic.
    .
    Treat people how you wish to be treated I think and if you treat people like sh!t, well what can you expect back.

  27. Unbelievable! It’s a bl@@dy dress! ANYONE can buy one and wear it when and where they like.

    Do these people set out to make themselves look as stupid as possible? If so, they’re doing a great job.

  28. cursing religion is every bit bigotted as cursing gay people.

    1. Not quite I personally think people can believe any religion that they want and they can do that in church etc etc, however I don’t go and have sex on a street corner but yet I hear preachers regularly, I don’t insist that anyone who doesn’t have gay sex will be tortured for eternity however that is exactly what religion say’s.

  29. @Iris
    “No, I asked you to look at the original, keith.”

    What the heck are you on about.??? No original manuscripts exist!!!
    I ask again …which translation would you prefer me to use?

    “But even the KJ version shows that it’s talking about straight men having gay sex (leaving their women and having sex with men).”
    How daft! It uses the terms unseemly and unnatural. Since it is not unnatural to leave a woman it must be referring to unnatural sex. natural (but immoral) sex would be a man with a woman, even when committing fornication. Even if what you suggest were true, homosexual acts are STILL banned in the bible as they are fornication.

    I think my goldfish even gets it by now. i am sure you do too but seek to twist what is obvious. I would give it up if I were you.

    1 Cor 6:9
    King James Bible
    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,

    1. DJ Sheepiesheep 23 Aug 2011, 11:15pm

      Dear Keith,
      Do you really have nothing better to do with your time? I don’t go on web sites for followers of traditional World religions to tell them that they are misguided, so why you post in the way that you on this site is a mystery to me and, I suspect, many others. Might I respectfully suggest that you go and do something that is traditionally (but not exclusively) Christian like helping those less fortunate than you rather than spending your time abusing us.
      Please don’t bother to reply.

      1. Another one with a curious interest in me personalluy. can I make it clear that I am discussing my VIEWS, on the stories and comments that follow. I have no interest in the lives of individual posters and they should have no interest in mine. i do not divulge information that is irrelevant to the discussion or my views on the issues raised in the context of the discussion.
        Thanks in advance of your cooperation!

        1. Jock S. Trap 24 Aug 2011, 8:10am

          Your comments give nothing to the story just your own bigotted homophobia.

          You’ve just hijacked most stories to preach and judge.

          1. Very true, Jock. I find it so sad – sad in both senses of the word. I can’t help but pity keith.

        2. I am discussing my VIEWS, on the stories
          .
          But you don’t, all you do is harp on about the way you accept a collection of random writings (translated) as your moral guide. What makes you think anyone’s interested?

          1. 620 comments on the ‘gay birds;’ thread says you are wrong!

          2. Ah, you think being a troll is somehow a victory, do you? Says it all, really.

        3. Keith wrote
          “i do not divulge information that is irrelevant to the discussion or my views on the issues raised in the context of the discussion.”
          .
          * What are you hiding Keith?
          .
          * Keith why are you ashamed of revealing
          information about yourself?
          .
          * Keith what personal identity are you protecting?

    2. The original LANGUAGE, keith! Last try before I give up:The term ‘unnatural’ is used WRONGLY. That is NOT what the original Greek says!

      I feel so sorry for you – stuck in some rut of your own making. Read more, think more and take your blinkers off. You’d be a lot happier – truly.

      1. Tghere are many different translations of the original text. Perhaps you are under the false impression that the Gereek language can only be translated one way to be correct. there are many correct translations . I ask again, which translation would you like me to quote or do you expect me to go back in tiime and get the original manuscripts?

        1. I think you’ve proved my point, keith. The bible is a collection of writings that scholars have fiddled with until they think they have the best version(s) of the text. Some are in Greek, some are Latin translations of some unknown original, etc, etc

          I’m under no false impression about Greek. I studied it for years. I presume you can’t read it – no problem. But let me draw your attention to two points:

          1) We cannot be sure that we have anything like the whole correct original NT words but the further away you get from the original language the more likely you are to have mistranslations, so the ‘best’ version is the closest to the original language – in language and time. ‘Unnatural’ is an unreliable translation – one of many.

          2) You realise that there can be many translations (you say that above) because we cannot know for sure the intention meant by the original authors.

          And yet you base your 21st century life on such an unstable base? And rely on other people’s translations?

          1. Your point was that you wanted me to quote from a specific translation yert you have failed to NAME the transaltion despite numerous requests. Either that or you wrongly thought that the original manuscripts were available which they are not. The latter is my guess and you are trying to cover your error with diversionary tactics.
            Please answer as to WHICH translation you wish me to quote from?

          2. In what way is this relevant to a story about a wedding dress in New Jersey?

          3. It doesn’t matter which translation if it had been the original translation your claims may have a little bit of credit (emphasis on the little bit) but instead you are taking your morals from a book which is nothing more than chinese whispers. Harry Potter is a better book to take your morals from atleast you know what the original author meant.

          4. No, keith, YOU are the one trying to cause distraction. Whatever I say you move the goalposts or purposely misunderstand. I never said the original text, I said the original language – which was obvious but you purposely misunderstood.I had only objected to your using a US translation that had wrongly inserted words such as ‘homosexual’.

            You’re either misunderstanding or pretending to in order to troll or because you’re lacking in knowledge. I only have a problem with the first one of those. But it’s impossible to have a proper discussion with you whatever the reason for that might be.

            I DO feel sorry for you (genuinely) but it’s not my job to educate you, counsel you or entertain you. All I can do is repeat what I’ve said before – read more, think more and use your own mind.

        2. @Keith
          Why do you place great emphasis on an orignal text, the bible went through an oral period of many hundred of years, albet a conservative estimate.
          .

    3. Ben Foster 25 Aug 2011, 9:10am

      Keith explain to me agai how gay people and fornicators have destroyed society? The thing about AIDS doesn’t answer the question. AIDS didn’t destroy society. And seeing as homosexuality and fornication both go right back to biblical times it seems as if ‘society’ has always included a large element of both.

  30. And this was the bit that answered your question:

    I said “so the ‘best’ version is the closest to the original language – in language and time.”

    The bible’s just another book to me. If you want to find what translation fits my description above best, then do so, but I’m not going to do your work for you – the bible’s your interest not mine. And it has nothing to do with a wedding dress…

    1. So which translation would you like me to quote or don’t you know? As for doing my work for me, I have no issue with the translations I have used, if you don’t accept them, you should tell me which you prefer that I use…but you will not, why?

      1. “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.” Gallatians5 22-23
        Why don’t you ever read these bits of the bible the bits that promote love over hate and as Lordy boy himself say’s there is no law against love.

        1. It does not say to ‘love’ immorality does it. Immorality has been well defined i scripture and includes homosexuality. Paslms 97:10 says to hate what is bad. Do you think people should love immoral or bad things? if so, you misinterpret the scriprtures.

          1. @Keith
            If you are so concerned about immorality, why do you resist from attending to the log in your own eye?

      2. Which translation did your theological college recommend?

  31. According to business.gather.com, Donna Saber told Alix Saber, and also left a voicemail to the effect that selling her a gown would be an “illegal action” because she is a lesbian.

    Actually, what is illegal is refusing to sell a product to someone due to their sexual orientation.

    The store owner later became abusive to the shopper.

    Saber told the customer that her family was “A nice Jewish family, and that it was a shame she was gay. There’s right and there’s wrong. And this is wrong.”

    It is totally heartless that Saber denied Genter the opportunity to buy a wedding dress. This is illegal, bad for business and has created a maelström of bad public relations for the store.

    1. Thanks for that, Jonpol. Yes, illegal -and utterly bizarre too. What did the shop-owner hope to achieve?

      1. eternal life ????

  32. Again you are making it PRESONAL. Why the interest in me?
    Please specify the ‘log’ in my eye? That is to say, which sin am I charging to others that I hypocritically carry on to a greater degreee myself?

    1. Ben Foster 25 Aug 2011, 9:18am

      Nobody is commiting any sin around here. Love isn’t a sin. Sex is not a sin. Keith, the bible is not a legal document anywhere in the world. We do not have to obey anything it contains. Free people have ignored the straight-jacket of oppressive living it advocates for 2,000 years and guess what, the sky hasn’t fallen.

      1. Obviously if you do not accept the concept of sin, nothing is a sin, hence all immoral paths are open to you such as incest. If you do accept the concept of sin, on which authority? Who decides what is sinful and what is not?

      2. mmmm…seems to be asking the right question, at last..

        1. of course there are sinful things. stealing, drink driving, rape, murder…. Things that are, coincidentally, against the law in most countries.

          LOVE is not a sin. nor is it illegal in most civilised countries.

          The bible is NOT a legal document. It has no authority over me or anyone. It’s just an ancient book.

    2. Keith wrote
      .
      “i do not divulge information that is irrelevant to the discussion or my views on the issues raised in the context of the discussion.”
      .
      * What are you hiding Keith?
      .
      * Keith why are you ashamed of revealing
      information about yourself?
      .
      * Keith what personal identity are you protecting?

  33. @ Hamish
    “Why don’t you ever read these bits of the bible the bits that promote love over hate and as Lordy boy himself say’s there is no law against love.”

    According to your (unique) interpretation of Gataltion 5:22. This means we should ‘love ‘ immorality’.?

    1. @Keith.
      .
      If you are so concerned about immorality, why do you resist from attending to the log in your own eye?

      1. @Ketih
        .
        When are you going to repent ???
        .
        1. Of your homophobic hated dressed up as biblical intepretation and rightous naming calling
        .
        2, Your obessive vendetta against LGBT people in which your continue to spread lies that there is a link between Paedophilia and homosexuality
        .
        3. Enacting the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah in your abuse of the hospitality offered to you by PinkNews
        .
        Keith, when are you going to remove the pine forest from your own eye?

        1. @JohnK
          Your mission, should you accept it….

          Please state which scripture condemns
          hatred of homosexuality.

          Please state why YOU believe paedophilia ( a mental inclination that many say they were born with) is immoral since it certainly is not unlawful to be attracted to kids.

          Please state where the scriptures or scriptural law require the death sentence for inhospitality.

          Please state why you are so interested in me personally as I have not registered interest in a single poster here.. I am merely contending with views and beliefs.

          1. @Keith
            .
            I am not going to get into scriptual arguments with you, becasue I view any one who takes a literalist veiw of the bible to be emotionally distrubed, or mentally ill.
            .
            I am interested in you in so far as I am attempting to get you to reveal more information about your self, so that I can send these posts of yours (on pinknews) to the police

        2. Dr. Paul Cameron distorted legitimate statistics in such a way as to assert that all pedophiles are homosexuals and/or all homosexuals are pedophiles, and the anti-gay hate industry bought into that lie and is spreading it through a reprobate troll on gay news sites in the UK.

          Here is Dr. Paul Cameron on the Phil Donahue show:

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