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  1. WHAT is the point in making a pilot that isn’t aired!!! Do the BBC assume (once again) that they know better that we do what makes a good show? I think not!

    1. I think you have posted this on the wrong news story.

    2. donnnnnt spoil it, i’m yet to read that one xD

  2. Jock S. Trap 8 Aug 2011, 2:37pm

    As with the riots… if these thugs don’t know right from wrong then parents must be held to account too. The fact that such young children were on the streets in the early hours…why and where were the parents.

    I think it’s about time we had proper tough Boot Camps for those under 16 for the judges to use as punishment and for those over 16 the judges should have the right to force them into the armed forces and be taught discipline.

    We seem to have a Labour legacy of ferrel children running riot, burning down peoples homes, businesses, the right to have a job ruined as well as the gangs, the knife crime, the gun crime when people should have the right to live in peaceful, law abiding neighbourhoods.

    To add, what looks like a homophobic attack is just another to the list.

    Something has to be done. Or well see this as a past time each weekend for those thugs who just think it is funny to ruin other people lifes simply because they don’t have one themselves.

    1. Ooer missus 8 Aug 2011, 3:16pm

      Doubt any particular Party is to blame, but the parents are, for sure, as is a lack of policing. Maybe parents should be in the dock too when their kids commit crimes.

      1. Jock S. Trap 8 Aug 2011, 3:24pm

        Actually the last Labour government decreased parental rights for both schools and parents so they do need to take some of the blame.

        1. Corporal punishment for parents !

        2. concerned resident E3 10 Aug 2011, 8:02am

          and the Tories removed the EMA that supported kids over 16 staying in education. Think on . . .

          1. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 3:25pm

            Many of which would have stayed already with or without the EMA.

            Whats wrong with getting a part time job? Bar work, cleaner? what’s up work to much for em?

      2. Boris Johnson was eager to criticise the level of youth crime just before his ellection. Now it would be very nice of him to apologise, since under his watch it is worsened.

        1. Now the buffoon is begging.
          UK riots: Don’t cut police budgets, says Boris Johnson:
          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14470830

          1. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 11:51am

            Only you would made mindless violence, killing, theft, denying a living, denying a business, denying a home political.

            This is about crime and criminals, there are No excuses not even political for what’s happening.

            So Boris is speaking out, he is right too and I suspect many will agree with him.

          2. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 2:39pm

            Sorry correction Would ‘make’ mindless..

          3. You haven’t seen this coming have you Alice. People have been warning you for eons, and yet you decided to live in your own wonderland. Open your eyes to reality darling.

          4. Jock S. Trap 11 Aug 2011, 8:29am

            Yet weren’t you one of the ones who attacked David Cameron for saying some parts of Britian were broken?

            Yes it had been coming and the last government said to all for trying to warn them to take the gang problem seriously that we were over reacting.

            This is left wing anarchy for one reason only and the last government failed on all counts even though they not only were warn by the public but actually mocked the public for doing so.

            Most of us have been seeing it but most of you have chosen to ignore and make excuses for it.

      3. Shame them by referriung to these feral youngsters as juvenile delinquents in the press and media, bring back borstals and reform schools, threaten to send these juvenile delinquents to secure institutions run by priests.

        1. Staircase2 9 Aug 2011, 4:42pm

          This is of course a crock of horse sh!t

    2. LOL. Anyone who voted labour should be sent to boot camp, and all parents who are not tories should be whipped to show how bad they are. naughty ferral labour people. seriously, what are you going on about? Riots usually happen when the torries get into power because people are so plssed with how they run the country.

      1. Jock S. Trap 9 Aug 2011, 8:33am

        Funny that I never said anything about how people voted. And you’ll find usually traditional riots start because of death or hardship cause following an overspend. Not in all cases but in most.

        There have been NO excuses for the latest, they’re not for anything other than to commit crimes, damage and upset to law abiding citizens of London.

        If children want to play adult games they have to face adult consequences as the rest of us should not have to suffer because of stupid ferrel children, brought up knowing nothing about respect.

    3. Absolutely ludicrous. The only person to blame for an action is the person who carries it out, we are accountable for own own actions and no one else’s. On another note – welcome to London. Anyone surprised by this has been walking around London with their eyes closed for years.

      People guilty of vandalism should be conscripted into the military? What is it about riots that turns everyone into some odd sort of corporal panishment fascist? Draco would be proud.

      Right, because everyone was safe and happy in Thatchers Britain?

      1. Jock S. Trap 9 Aug 2011, 8:34am

        I totally agree, a person is responsible for their own action but most comes from pure lack of respect and education so the buck doesn’t solely stop their. Over the years parental rights have decreased too, being a parent I know this as do all other and schools.

      2. Parental rights have not decreased, they remain responsible for how their children are brought up. Not all youth riot, it’s the badly brought up ones.

        1. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 8:34am

          I know, my son is at Uni studying law not breaking it.
          =
          As for parental rights I think you’ll find they have been reduced both for parents and schools esp with discipline.
          =
          Oh, and no I don’t mean smacking, I have successfully brought my boy up without once resorting to that but government have taken away parental rights so they have some blame to take.

    4. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 1:31am

      You are stupid, Jock! These young thugs knows for 100% the difference between right and wrong!

      1. You are stupid Rich (unoriginal)

      2. Thugs know the difference between right and wrong?
        .
        An oxymoron there I think Rich (orginal)
        .
        But then again, do we really expect you to come out with anything informed and intellignet!!!

    5. Tom Stoppard 9 Aug 2011, 9:22am

      We have a Tory legacy that began back in the 80s when Mrs Thatcher started to widen the inequality gap. This is the pay-off. Labour certainly didn’t do enough to help either though.

      1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 10:24am

        Oh blow it out your old kazoo Stoppard.

        1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 4:19pm

          That remark was made by an imposter. I am happy to say I have no idea what a kazoo is.

          1. A kazoo is a toy like instrument, which makes a high pitched buzzing sound.
            It’s in the shape of a handheld canoe (if you can imagine it) with a circular and fat disc where the seating area would be.

            You blow into one hand, with a finger on the disc.

    6. Rashid Karapiet 11 Aug 2011, 11:19am

      Do you really expect to be taken seriously with the pseudonym ‘Jock S. Trap’?

      1. @Rashid Karapiet
        .
        I think there is a saying here which might help you!!!
        .
        Do not juge a book by its cover.
        .
        Jock S Trap, is a committed, repsected and loyal member of this forum

  3. God…its only a window that has been smashed….think London has more to worry about than a shop windonw being smashed…

    1. bearshaped 8 Aug 2011, 2:53pm

      hear hear

    2. Jock S. Trap 8 Aug 2011, 3:27pm

      This is a window smashed, business stalled, profits dented in an already struggling time esp for a small outlet. Considering everything else that went on in London this one of those events as it still affects people.

      1. Plus the shop is an institution, for many years it used to be the only place in London you could buy a gay-related book, and possibly the first bookshop you could also get a cup of coffee.

    3. Dan Filson 8 Aug 2011, 9:20pm

      “more to worry about than a shop windonw being smashed” – this attitude also prevailed in the run up to 1933 when the SA were on the rampage in Germany.

  4. martyn notman 8 Aug 2011, 3:06pm

    i doubt any of the thugs involved could read the name of the shop anyway.

    1. 1 in 5 londoners can’t read, have literacy problems, so you have a valid point.

      1. People who coordinate riots by mobile and BlackBerry can’t read, huh? Interesting angle.

        1. clearly you are not aware of the literacy statistics in london, try to inform yourself before commenting.

          1. So you can’t provide the statistics yourself then? Thought not. Try to learn how to support your fanciful statements before posting.

    2. Dan Filson 8 Aug 2011, 9:22pm

      Are you seriously suggesting they did not know this was not a greengrocers? Of course it was specifically attacked and not just for being any old book shop.

      1. martyn notman 9 Aug 2011, 1:21am

        no of course im not, but ive got to the point where the increasingly bad news from london (gay mecca?) has made me bitter and twisted! At the end of the day all we have left is humour, nothing we do is going to stop them- and belittling them seems as good a defense as any!

    3. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 1:36am

      Your doubts indicating how idiotic you are! Yes, these thugs know how to read – 100%. Your idiotic English people teaching them all the times and the gratitude is current violence and ruined buildings in London. That’s all consequences of your idiotic immigration policy!

      1. Ben Foster 9 Aug 2011, 6:54am

        WHAT are you on about now?

      2. Staircase2 9 Aug 2011, 4:45pm

        Eh?

        Thats rich coming from you…

        You don’t half talk a load of old bollocks!

      3. Rich, what are you talking about in your implicit racist comment?

  5. At least it wasn’t raided like every other shop in those areas.

  6. Spiritbody 8 Aug 2011, 3:59pm

    “We’re just relieved that the rock wasnt followed by a match”

    DONT GIVE THEM IDEAS!!

    1. Dan Filson 8 Aug 2011, 9:23pm

      I would not be too sure they will not come again. The result sadly may be one of those horrid all-metal shutters that prevent window-shopping. And I suspect the insurance premia will rise.

  7. Equality starts at home 8 Aug 2011, 4:14pm

    Nick any books, did they? Doesn’t look like, does it? Shame. Could’ve got themselves an education whilst out there vandalising the place and whining ‘got nothing else to do’…..

  8. It is not just a window being smashed. The eggs that were added imply a direct hate attack.

    The law seriously needs to be taughened in these sort of events. Also, LGBT activism should focus more on grassroots hate and persecution, not only on grand legislation.

    The fact that events like these usually go unpunished is making me seriously think of starting to cosider the Right, and not the “calm down, nothing to see here” Rainbow Hamlets of this world as the main line of defense against homophobia. That or we will continue to see these things punished with small fines for the sake of “community cohesion”.

    1. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 1:39am

      Its not a homophobia. Its African savagery. More will come in the future with your equality policy with savages…..

      1. AmericanHomo 9 Aug 2011, 2:31am

        No no no! You can’t say that! Like with the politically-correct in NYC, you have to ignore the truth or you’re not being a good Rainbow Flag Gay-Gay!

        1. @AmericanHomo:
          Rich (unoriginal) is a troll who claims to be an anti-gay Muslim, he’s mental poor thing, ignore him.

          1. AmericanHomo 9 Aug 2011, 9:15am

            He might or might not be crazy, but that statement he made is completely correct.

          2. @ AmericanHomo: if you have conclusive evidence that this attack was made by persons from Africa, perhaps you could submit it in the usual fashion?
            .
            (In the meantime, my transatlantic fellow-homo, you might want to reflect on the fact that many Briddush people still see Americans as savages. With some reason on occasion, as you have so ably demonstrated.)

      2. Staircase2 9 Aug 2011, 4:46pm

        I thought you said you were Nigerian…..

        1. I think he must be Egyptian, he’s in De Nile.

      3. Staircase2 9 Aug 2011, 4:47pm

        And if you believe that Americanhomo then you’re as fvcked up as he is…

  9. Politicians are to blame to a certain extent. Having grown up in the ’80’s when Thatcher said there was ‘no such thing as society’, I think we are now reaping the reward of that.

    We have a society where materialsim and consumption are everything. It’s all about what you posses. Coupled with a celebrity culture that suggests that effort isn’t necessary for wealth and influence and video games and rap lyrics which glamourise violence, the have nots become the ‘take its’ to ensure they have their slice.

    This shop was attacked like the others in the road. The feral scum came back later simply to ensure the ‘gay’ shop got the worst. I hope there’s a protective cover over the window now because after two nights of seeing others get away with looting on TV, tonight it’s going to spread, probably across other cities and towns too. Whatever politicians say, the Police can;’t control flash-mob vandalism, they just don’t have the resources.

    1. martyn notman 9 Aug 2011, 1:29am

      Britain has got to a point where there are simply too many people with too many points of view- and their is a criminal underclass who views all law and order as something to be negated.-it isnt a certain type of person, half my family would happily nick anything they could get away with- we have lost all respect for society- and a bunch of Tory millionaires arn’t going to change peoples opinions!

    2. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 1:43am

      Britain became a big chicken farm. Instead of killing vandals, you cherish them…..

      1. Ben Foster 9 Aug 2011, 6:57am

        Is Rich a real person or some sort of random sentence genertor? Nothing he has said in this thread appears at all relevant even by his standards.

        Troll in overdrive?

        1. haha ben- exactly what i was thinking!

        2. @Ben Foster
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          Rich (Orginal), appears to do the opposite of what it says on his label.
          .
          I agree, yes, he appears to be some sort of random sentence generating Automaton

  10. Bill (Scotland) 8 Aug 2011, 4:27pm

    It’s a real shame – I’ve bought a number of items there in years gone by.

  11. big brave boys, eh? breaking a window in the middle of the night

  12. London taken over by feral rioting scum. The majority of the scum are black. There’s a surprise. “Wot about me ‘umin rights man, respect, blod, innit”.

    1. Don’t you know they assume an automatic right of entitlement to have lousy work ethic, create chaos and to impede on this breakdown in society is viewed as “racism” by the bleeding heart thickos etc. Anyhow london is a filthy dump and getting worse, glad i’ve left.

      1. You should read the Guardian message board for evidence of bleeding heart thickos. Apparently the consensus on there is its all down to the police and the Tories. These poor deprived yoofs are only kicking out cause they ain’t getting the respec’ they think they’re entitled to apparently, that’s why they’re raiding JD Sport for chavvy trainers y’see.

        1. jd sports yea “get the london look” lol.Those phoney liberals do not live in urban britain and if they do, they must be completely cocooned and clueless to whats happening.

    2. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 1:47am

      ‘umin rights man…. Animals becomes human in your idiotically tolerant society – that’s why.

    3. Tom Stoppard 9 Aug 2011, 9:24am

      Encoch, you’re a racist and a coward. At least the real Enoch Powell had the courage of his bonkers convictions to use his real name, rather than hiding on an anonymous forum.

      1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 10:27am

        And who or what are you Stoppard? What would you do for the yoof of Lahndan? Let them wreck the place, let us pay for it and then set up some ridiculous youth workshops so they can sit about on their lazy black backsides all day cause we can’t tell them they did wrong? Fcuk off back to your nice safe middle class liberal enclave.

        1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 4:24pm

          Another fake post using my name by the troll I’m afraid.

      2. Staircase2 9 Aug 2011, 4:55pm

        Agreed – Enoch is clearly a knee-jerk reactionary bigot who spouts nothing but vitriolic dribble (not drivel – DRIBBLE)

        The clue’s in the un-knowing way he tried to use allegedly black slang to make his point – like Ali G on acid….lol

        This is a terrible time – and everyone both on here and the media is focussing on the riots itself. Noone is asking the important question: how is it that a mindless bunch of 14 year old idiots who are more intent on stealing from MacDonalds and Argos than forming any kind of coherent protest capable of organising something on this scale?

        BBM is not the answer people – the Police have been trying to force Blackberry under their control for a long time so that just reeks of opportunism on their part.

        This is obviously coordinated ‘mindlessness’. All the aspects come together too neatly coinciding with school summer holidays…
        WHO? WHY?

      3. Spanner1960 11 Aug 2011, 2:14pm

        Enoch Powel was no racist, and certainly not “bonkers”. Maybe you should actually read his speech and see how much of his predictions actually came true:
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

  13. It is a great bookshop and I hope they get over this horrible attack and continue to thrive.

  14. the people who did it are just stupid scum bags. i reckon if they get caught, people should be able to smash their windows (tho they’re probs council houses so tax payer will end up footing the bill) and throw eggs and rotten tomatoes at them. bring back the stocks.

  15. Rich (original) 8 Aug 2011, 8:01pm

    Great news. We terminate gay propaganda!

    1. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 1:14am

      Sorry for this comment! It was a mistake….

      1. Dr Robin Guthrie 9 Aug 2011, 11:25am

        We know you are….

  16. Spanner1960 8 Aug 2011, 8:01pm

    Half of London’s in flames and some queen is bleating on about a broken window.
    Get some fcuking perspective!

    1. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 1:15am

      Fight back with pieces of matter, men!!!

    2. Staircase2 9 Aug 2011, 4:58pm

      er – all the bookstore is talking about is exactly the same thing that everyone else is talking about: that their business has been targeted by mindless acts of violence.

      Why should they not be able to talk about that? or are you saying no shopkeeper should talk about it?

      What you’re saying doesn’t make any sense…..

      1. Spanner1960 9 Aug 2011, 7:25pm

        What I am saying is it was just another random act of destruction amongst numerous others, and not some planned homophobic attack.

        1. Mr Lenart . . . pointed out that no other shops in the area had their windows smashed.

  17. Dan Filson 8 Aug 2011, 9:27pm

    It worries me that more and more the Pink News comments are taken over by homophobes, racists and voices so right wing as to be neo-fascist. Some examples are to be seen above. It is another form of window-smashing.

    1. No it’s called free speech. You don’t have to agree with it, but it’s all part of living in a democracy. Looting, rioting and arson on the other hand are criminality pure and simple. But then you sound like just the type of left-winger that hates free speech if what’s said doesn’t chime with your views. Pretty far-right in itself when you think about it.

      1. AmericanHomo 9 Aug 2011, 2:45am

        Filson is in his own little confused fantasy world. A fascist trying to look like a non-fascist. He sounds like Stalin criticizing Hitler.

      2. Jock S. Trap 9 Aug 2011, 8:42am

        Well Said Will.

      3. Tom Stoppard 9 Aug 2011, 9:21am

        Will, I disagree with everything you just wrote.

        1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 10:31am

          Of course you did because in Stoppard Land the white man OWES the black man for all those years of keeping him down. Judging by your name I assume you’re white, middle class and sleep with with black guys but Tom you do know that choosing a black bed partner because you assume they are better endowed than white or asian men is actually sexual racism? No, you didn’t know that did you?

          1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 4:28pm

            Yet another fake post using my name. The racist troll has been reported.

          2. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 8:41am

            If it’s any consulation Erica, I didn’t think it was you which is why I chose not to respond to it, you don’t come across as a racist but I do wish PinkNews did more to stop this blatant racism and stealing other peoples names to clearly discredit them.

      4. Staircase2 9 Aug 2011, 4:59pm

        Did you actually read what he had to say or did you just spout that out from the pocket hitler?

      5. de Villiers 9 Aug 2011, 5:58pm

        Free speech is no more than the government not passing censorship laws. This board is maintained by a private organisation which is entitled to set down rules with which people must comply in order to use the privately provided (but open to the public) service.

        I would like to see PN enforce stricter rules on the board.

    2. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 1:19am

      I am not a racist but African savages shall be handled with force in England. Socialistic and democratic English idiots allowed immigration of such savages in the U.K. Now they have the results of their idiotic immigration policy. Logically….

      1. Tom Stoppard 9 Aug 2011, 9:26am

        Isn’t it funny how when people start a sentence with “I’m not a racist”, they then come out with something racist…. Here’s a newflash – using the term “African savages” makes you racist. You are totally a racist. And bonkers.

      2. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 5:04pm

        Id just like to say that wasnt me – I love black people and I’d like to apologise for much of what has been said in the past by people using my name.

        I hereby suggest that from now on everyone logs in and uses the name Rich (original) to say nice and positive things to counteract the negative and bigoted things I have often written here – sometimes I cant help myself but I know its wrong and I hope you will forgive me.

        Forgive me by writing better things in my name – so as to stop my demons in their tracks

        God Bless

        1. Spanner1960 9 Aug 2011, 7:28pm

          Nice try Staircase, but your avatar gives you away… ;)

          1. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 8:42am

            Maybe you should read Staircases point and see why you can still see the avatar.

        2. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 9:46pm

          That’s not my posting. Another bastard started use my name here.

          1. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 11:53am

            I think you’ve just added yet more prove to how stupid you are…. LOL

          2. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 11:53am

            OMG.. proof even! LOL

      3. Rashid Karapiet 11 Aug 2011, 11:12am

        Why is the English usage of Mr. Rich (original) distinctly non-standard?

    3. AmericanHomo 9 Aug 2011, 2:35am

      That’s too bad for you. Maybe the comments you deem as such are really the more sensible and truthful ones, and more are needed to protect civilized places like bookstores.

      1. 1 in 5 londoners are illiterate and many have never read a book , so i would say this bookstore should relocate to somewhere where they are appreciated and the local population can read.

        1. “1 in 5 Londoners are illiterate” – what, between 1.5m and 2.5m people? Do you seriously think people are stupid enough to believe your made-up statistics?

          1. http://thesantosrepublic.com/2011/06/london-a-city-of-children-who-cannot-read/ just to help you out of your bubble a bit, as you seem a gormless fool.

          2. To help you out of your bubble a bit, since frankly you seem more than a little dim, how does “One million people in this great city cannot read” equate to “1 in 5 Londoners are illiterate”? Do you think only 5m people live in London? Bless.

          3. yes i feel very blessed to be not living there anymore. You can rot there in your make believe mecca of tolerance, i’d say you’re the dim one unless you enjoy scum encrusted urban living.

          4. Ah, but you see I live in a bubble, according to you – and am happy to.
            .
            So, you really think there are only 5m people in London then? I note you make no effort to support your fanciful theories.

          5. surprised you spend soo much of your life on pink news , would have thought, you would be out enjoying your great adopted city.

          6. You might think your irrelevant personal remarks cover up your ludicrous misunderstanding of statistics (above), but they don’t. Still, it’s quite amusing to watch you floundering about.

      2. Staircase2 9 Aug 2011, 5:11pm

        Nope – he’s right – they’re hateful, bigoted misinformed and reactionary bollocks – pure and simple…

    4. de Villiers 9 Aug 2011, 5:59pm

      Free speech is no more than the government not passing censorship laws. This board is maintained by a private organisation which is entitled to set down rules with which people must comply in order to use the privately provided (but open to the public) service.

      I would like to see PN enforce stricter rules on the board.

  18. These are the consequences of a ConDemned government, so eager to rob the poor and give to the rich.

    1. Whereas Labour’s spending cuts and privatization of the public sector was all done for the working man?

    2. de Villiers 9 Aug 2011, 6:01pm

      Public spending increased in cash terms last year and will increase in cash terms every year for the next four years. No debt is being repaid. The “cuts” are no more than cuts in the growth of the amount of public spending. At the end of the five years of the coalition government, the state will have borrowed, and will be in debt by, an addition £400 billion than it was at its start.

      1. Tell that to the youth of today, who are having to amass large debts to go to uni, while Whitehall leaders studied for free.

        1. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 8:47am

          Yeah, me thinks your just clutching at straws. Whats going on is mindless criminality and theft nothing to do with cuts.

          Also if you think these mindless morons are rioting over Uni take another look… most ain’t intereting in Uni.. or working.

          They are fighting against authority and creating anarchy for the sake of it, not once thinking about anybody else, their livelyhood, their homes, their business. It’s disgusting but even worse than them are people who seem to want to make excuses for them.

          1. Your guess is as good as mine darling. Take a look at Uni students. Last time I checked they were still allowed to wear hooded tops in campuses all around Britain. And don’t forget how students and wannabes reacted to the tuition fees news. It’s not pretty.

          2. These incidents are associated not only to the cuts, but in every way to the austerity plans, and the total disregard for the poorest sections of society. Many have already been fearing this messy situation would ensue, while CallMeWhatever was sunbathing and sipping cappuccinos in Tuscany.

          3. de Villiers 10 Aug 2011, 10:33am

            Beberts, repeating the word “cuts” does not make it true that there are actual cuts in public spending. There have been no cuts in public spending, only cuts in the rate of increase. These riots have taken place even though public spending has increased in cash terms each year.

          4. I’ll repeat it again… there were no cuts to luxury and holidaying for the Eton set. “We are all in this together” they say, but some people haven’t been invited to their suffering in the best resorts around Europe.

          5. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 11:58am

            Well don’t worry, I’m sure if they are students they’ve just screwed up their lives good and proper but such stupidity.

            Murdering people, attacking people, burning down homes/businesses, denying a wage to innocent people etc etc etc is nothing to do with student fees or anything else political. Many we ask why they were doing what they are to the reply “Coz, it’s fun”.

            This is mindless criminality, nothing else and no amount of excuses with fit these horrendous actions. I don’t see many having any sympathy and if you do then I think that actually says more about you.

            Then again, not something we don’t already know.

          6. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 12:03pm

            It’s good for all to know how you stand up and support the gang culture criminals we have that all governments failed to acts upon esp the last in which it became a problem only for them to dismiss.

          7. Jock darling you’ll be blaming the last government for how long … as you yourself say, move on, the actual government is already past. Coincidentaly, the last time we had widespread riots the Tories were in power…

          8. Jock S. Trap 11 Aug 2011, 8:35am

            Yep and again after a ending to a another disasterous Labour government. Though don’t go changing history too much coz it did happen under Labour and If i remember rightly each time something serious happened Tony Blair refused to come back from his holidays full stop. Thinking more about the entire Florida resorts that had to be shut down for his family and his celebraty homes to stay in.

            Nope Tony Blair was always far too important to come sort out domestic problems.

            At least ours now are coming to face up and sort out like proper government should.

  19. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 1:10am

    London’s police becomes powerless bunch of idiots because they don’t know how to handle the violent criminals in the capital. The Londoners becomes fearful animal, like great mass of chickens and unable to shoot and kill violent criminal youth. What a shame for the Western idiotic tolerance toward young savages, immigrated to U.K. from Africa!…

    1. Emigrated dear…

      Must I chase you all over the boards correcting your English. Tut tut C- for you. Must try harder.

      1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 10:34am

        Well if all you’re worried about is correcting grammar and spelling then you should just fcuk off and train as a teacher. London is in flames, the rest of the UK is following suit and the only thing concerning you is the aforementioned. Grow a d1ck and some conviction.

        1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 4:30pm

          Another fake post using my name by the racist troll.

          1. Thought so Erica.

            I do wish people would indeed have the conviction to use their own ID’s though before questioning me on mine.

            I’m well aware what state London is in. But thank you for pointing out the blindly obivous. I feel like I can go to bed tonight a happy man.

    2. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 8:49am

      Oh Rich (unoriginal) dear.. the IRA didn’t chase most of us out so damned if a few mindless thugs will either.

  20. Peter Gregory 9 Aug 2011, 5:32am

    It’s part of a lawlessness” culture which stems from police unaccountability which began after Thatcher used them as stormtroopers against the miners- no government dare tackle them.

    1- Drug dealers, particularly on council estates, have been a) left alone by police running scared but probably more often b) allowed to operate, with police complicity. This has resulted in the carving up of areas / domains and in a stronger fort mentality by gang leaders and hugely increased gun/knife crime when fighting to control territory. People get shot for straying onto others’ territory; not showing “respect”. Youths now go around in gangs & the police are afraid of them.

    2- The lawlessness culture spread into schools- everyone from kids to parents can see that it is dangerous and hopeless to try to fight against these entrenched gangs. People complaining to the police are likely to be betrayed and gangs informed about complainants, or marginalised or arrested as being trouble causers.

  21. One of the saddest moments I had when I visited my home town in the UK after 35 years overseas, was the fact that all the stores were shuttered when closed and CCTV in every vantage spot. by contrast to memory now only take away served to illuminate the once vibrant window shopping I recall when walking home after dark. So sad that society needs to protect itself to from Vandals and rioters, it appears to have destroyed so many once great British traditions and institutions

    1. AmericanHomo 9 Aug 2011, 9:17am

      I am, honestly, very sorry to read something like that. Maybe England will correct things before it’s too late.

      1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 10:40am

        It IS too late. Nothing will be done once all this calms down. It will be forgotten about and more and more public money will be spent on youth workshops and ‘initiative’ to keep the scum class happy. Do you not know that the 2012 Olympics celebrations and ‘legacy’ are now almost entirely given over to making sure the black/asian communities have a part in EVERY aspect of the organising and participation of the event- bar actually participating in the sports. Heaven forbid someone with a genuine passion for sports and the games should get a chance to be involved. Its all so patronising and condescending.

        1. AmericanHomo 9 Aug 2011, 11:05am

          Well what in the world is going on with your leadership over there? Look, I don’t approve of everything England has done or does, but….more than not…hasn’t England been a civilized society that gave the world the great homos and straights from Francis Bacon to Shakespeare to Alan Turing and enough scientific achievements that they’re one of the biggest winners in the Nobel Prize for Science (along with the U.S. and Germany), and now it’s fallen into such stupidity with dealing with these barbarians? You don’t have to answer any of this, but to see it astounds and stuns me. (I live in NYC and know what the worst neighborhoods are like at night. I don’t want to see that over there).

          1. I grew up in london late 90s/noughties and its a homophobic dump , don’t go there, the glory days are long over.

          2. What ‘glory days’ were they?

        2. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 4:33pm

          Yet another fake post using my name by the racist troll.

  22. Eddy- from 2007 9 Aug 2011, 12:46pm

    I wise friend suggested the following to me this morning.

    All those young thugs who have been arrested should not be fined or banged up in jail for a month or two.

    Instead they should all be taken to an uninhabited Hebridean island and should be left there, with only the barest necessities, including seeds (to grow whatever food is possible in such terrain).

    The island should be watched via satellite or by patrol boat to ensure no “mates” cruise in with drugs or guns, etc.

    500 or so young thugs will then HAVE TO learn how to be constructive and creative, how to establish order amongst themselves.

    They would then be visited and evaluated from time and time and by consultation with whatever leadership council the lads generated it would then be decided who may leave and return to society.

    The island would continue as a form of constructive punishment for all future offenders.

    It would lessen addiction to mobiles, trainers, sports clothes, and computer games.

    1. Great idea, but I’m not sure it would work.

      It hasn’t worked in Africa.

  23. Dunno whether anyone has posted this already, but up in Birmingham where I live, gangs raided the shops and bars in the gay quarter. There are reports that a man standing outside the gay bar, Missing, (my favourite, and where I was planning on going to last night if it weren’t for some indegestion) was set upon by a gang and beaten up, in the road outside the bar, and was only saved by a car driving through which stopped and pulled him in. No news on how he is.

    I think I’ll leave my going out plans for this week and do some gardening instead…

  24. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 4:35pm

    If you turn on Sky News now you’ll see the local schmucks in Clapham out cleaning the streets after the events of last night. The overwhelming majority cleaning the streets today are white, last nights vandals were in the black majority. But I’ll be called a racist for pointing this out. Sometimes its better to be blind, you can’t see so therefore you can’t tell the truth.

    1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 4:44pm

      Another fake post by the EDL-type lout using my name. How dare you complain of lawlessness while committing fraud.

  25. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 4:39pm

    Would the racist EDL-type troll masquerading as me in this column kindly have the courage to use his own monica.

    1. This joke of yours got tired several days ago.

      1. yeah p*ss off and be gone with you, you mug!

  26. CallMeWhatever has been promoting his “big shiciety” idea for eons, now he is reaping what he is sowing, some people are spontaneously gathering together, but not in the way he had “envisioned”. What do Bullyingdom boys have to offer on their return from paradise holidays?

    1. A Hackney local tells BBC 5 Live: “When you’ve got bankers taking their bonuses and MP’s taking money off people like me for their moats, and their chateaus and their castles, this is the result.”

  27. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 4:53pm

    I find it rather ironic that the racist EDL lout on here complaining about lawlessness has no problem committing identity theft and abusing my identity.

    1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 5:19pm

      Oh pull your clit flaps closed you soft witted liberal b1tch.

      1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 9 Aug 2011, 5:26pm

        Troll, you really think you are so much better than the louts on the streets? You have no credibility at all if you have to stoop to identity theft.

  28. Bring back conscription I say, knock some sense and discipline into them since their parents are incapable and while we’re at it, charge the parents with a stiff fine for property damages. The same goes for the scum rioting up and down the country.

    1. Jock S. Trap 10 Aug 2011, 8:54am

      Here, Here! Exactly Robert!!

      It’s what I’ve thought for a while. Not compulsory but definitely as a tool for courts to use again idiots like these. It is discipline and respect they need to learn.

  29. Nick, indeed, some politicians are to blame and their stupid economic policies. If Cameron were to look at the presidency of Frankllin Delano Roosevelt in the U.S. 1933-1945, you will see that his democratic administration didn’t cut benefits/entitlements what little there were at the time, but spent its way out of the depression of 1929 which happened under a republican administration. I might add. The only way to end a recession that we’re now in is to spend one’s way out of it. Once you cut benefits, take money out of the hands of the unemployed and working people, what you’re doing is starving the beast and we know what that does. Small business go belly up because nobody is buying anything, it has a ripple effect throughout the economy which can turn into civil unrest. Supply sides economics has NEVER worked, just look at what the republicans have done under 8 years of Bush policies that Cameron is now pursuing. It’s a recipe for disaster and its’ already unravelling.

    1. Yes but Robert, many of the thieves that are now out looting and assaulting ppl grew up under the Blair and Brown govts which indulged whole sections of society with long term state benefits unchecked which were absolutely unsustainable and which are part of the reason we are now in financial sh*t. Some of these people are now effectively unemployable and regard being supported by the rest of society as an Entitlement. Unsurprisingly, they have no thought or idea about what it means to contribute financially or otherwise to society and care about very little other than themselves. It is this indulgence that is coming home to roost. The last govt went on a spending spree; encouraged financial mismanagement, financial over commitment (5xyour salary for a mortgage anyone?) and credit card debt and we are seeing the effects. It was predictable and they did fvck all about it. They even had the gall to announce before the election that the recession was over.

      1. All of these happens as consequences of social democrats, in fact Marxist, ideology. Socialists destroying Europe step by step.

      2. Meanwhile, the Tories are effectively chanelling money from the pockets of poor students and other average folks, to those of bankers and big businesses. It’s no coincidence the latter group has had many freebies, including education that thought them to have a sense of entitlement, shared with those sitting right now in Whitehall palaces.

        1. de Villiers 10 Aug 2011, 10:37am

          Beberts, your statements are just outright lies. Really, just lies. One only needs to look at the figures in the Treasury Red Book to see who pays taxes in the UK and where they are spent. No money is being given to bankers or to big business. Taxes on incomes over £40,000 have never been higher. Marginal tax rates are over 65% and England now has the third highest marginal tax rates in Europe.

    2. de Villiers 10 Aug 2011, 10:35am

      Bush engaged in no supply side economics.

  30. Dissaffected youth my arse. Have you seen some of these fvckers? Aged 13 – 45! Its blatant opportunism; they’re not looting the local deli for feta cheese and olives are they? They’re robbing JD Sports, Footlocker and Carphone warehouse. They haven’t got any money to buy this stuff so they’ve decided to steal it and try and make it look like its some sort of political protest by burning people’s businesses and flats. Utter bollocks. Its about time ordinary law abiding men and women were heard for a change instead of liberal leftie pussies who these thugs would sh*t on given half a chance. Seen BBC News reporting of the riots? -its a fvcking joke – relentless bleating on about “the demonisation of the working class” & interviewing a school boy who’s written a book on chavs. Get out the water cannons and use it on the little fvckers.

    1. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 9:40pm

      These thugs are degenerates, and need to be terminated, regardless their age. They are not kids, but wrongly produced organic matter. England become weak and decadent. U.K.’ police fearing to beat up and remove the thugs from the face of our planet. Terrible

    2. With each younger generation of youth a higher percentage than the previous generation seem more and more to have disregard or lack of respect for public property or personal property or possessions. Parenting skills first and foremost should be blamed for many of society ills instead of government and police! it seems no longer we raise children to have consciences that previous generations were raised with? When children were raised instinctively with a conscience they automatically recognized the difference in right and wrong, respect and good behavior were intuitive and second nature. Governments and Police are blamed for moral decay when in reality even if they exacerbated it they didn’t always create it… but are looked to and expected to resolve it.

    3. There are no water cannons in mainland uk and even if there were , the police are already being taken to european courts by some mammys boi for kettling , accused of racism for stopping a known felon , so would doubt they would use them as it would create further controversy in this country by some stupid do gooders about the uman rights of scum.

      1. yes there are water cannons.

        1. Jock S. Trap 11 Aug 2011, 8:37am

          They should use water cannons with a dye in the water that takes days to wash out so we can see who they are.

          1. Rashid Karapiet 11 Aug 2011, 11:04am

            See posting further down. ‘Jock S. Trap’ indeed…And you want to be taken seriously?

  31. Rich (original) 9 Aug 2011, 9:33pm

    England has rotten government. Shame!

    1. Oh, go away.

      1. Bored with trolls 9 Aug 2011, 9:40pm

        succinct and to the point Rehan!

    2. @Rich (Original)
      .
      I wonder which goverment and country you do admire?

  32. I definitely think the world would’ve been a better place had heterosexuals been the minority. All the man-made crises that have taken place throughout history are lead by heterosexuals.

  33. de Villiers, you are dead wrong about Bush. Supply side economics is about deregulation, no checks and balances. It’s what brought about the meltdown on Wall Street in 2008 and heralded the global economic downturn. Banks sold toxic mortgage backed securities to an unknowing public and look what happened, massive foreclosures, stocks plummeting as a result and banksters reeling in record million dollar bonuses, ditto the UK and in parts of Europe. Supply side economics NEVER creates jobs and it hasn’t. Why do you think few jobs were created under Bush in 8 years who gave the biggest tax cuts to the wealthiest oligarchic corporate elite. They didn’t create jobs at all. Cameron is following the same policies. When you take away things from people who have nothing, you foment civil unrest. The only way to get out of a recession and increase employment is to spend your way out of it. When people have money, they buy things, create demand, simple as that. Bush was a disaster.

  34. Harry, 25, London 10 Aug 2011, 2:03pm

    I am so sorry Gay’s the Word. I love your ethos, your atmosphere and the friendliness of your staff. You sold me books I couldnt get anywhere else! I hate to think of these yobs damaging your business.

  35. And Cameron is facing disaster. All of this nonsense about smaller government and no taxes on the wealthy is a volcano on the brink of eruption as we’re now seeing. 75% of youth services cut, nowhere for them to go but down. I’m not making excuses for them, but this is what happens when you have a generation of ill-educated young people with no hope, no economic advantages and high unemployment. Just watch. There will be little job creation over the next four years, precious little once Cameron’s policies cut even further into the middle class and the poor while the wealthy remain untouched.

    Cameron should look to the German example whose economy has remained relatively unblemished, the best in Europe as a result of its strong manufacturing base and exports, sadly lacking in the UK. Plus, Germany involves labour unions to sit on corporate boards avoiding strikes and other civil disruptions, but then Germany is a far better educated society than ours.

    1. Erica Cart-Horse QC 11 Aug 2011, 10:43am

      This link /post was not posted by me, but by the troll engaging in identity theft due to a lack of ethics.

      1. If you get yourself an avatar Erica (the real one), it’ll prevent people being confused about which of you is you (if you get my drift).

  36. Rashid Karapiet 11 Aug 2011, 11:01am

    Personally, I cannot take anything seriously signed ‘Jock S. Trap.’ Grow up, Mister – if you are a Mister – and join us in the real world where it’s more interesting than your fantasy ‘boot camps’ for everyone you want to punish.

    1. Jock S. Trap 11 Aug 2011, 11:18am

      Well thats your choice.

      If you can’t take someone seriously through then you have Every choice not to respond and allow the others and I that are more into debating than petty mindedness, to do so.

      I’m entitled to my opinion just like everybody else.

      You tell me to grow up but I’m not the one attack someone else for something so stupid.

      Get real.

      1. Jock S. Trap 11 Aug 2011, 11:32am

        If I ever decide to change my nickname it will be for all to know and see and not to suit each and every arguement.

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