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X Factor contestant called ‘tranny’ by staff

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  1. So if this had been an ethnic minority candidate and they sent an email containing a racial slur, do you think they’d get a slap on the wrist and be sent of their jolly way? The same with a religious candidate? Or a disabled one?

    I don’t bloody think so. 100% Trans phobia, sack them!

    1. Another Hannah 28 Jul 2011, 3:25pm

      I doubt there was genuinely nasty intent so I wouldn’t personally want them sacked – that seems awfully severe to me. I do wan them to have things properly explained and dealt with to them so that they don’t do it to anybody else, and if they won’t mend thier wicked wicked ways THEN they should be sacked. Dealing with peole who are contestants sensitively should surely be part of basic training for the job?

      1. Explained to them? They’re not a pair of 7 year olds. If they can land a gig at ITV as junior researchers (they’re probably working for free and thick as sh1t) one would assume they’re more than just a pair of plebs of some job experience.

    2. Spanner1960 28 Jul 2011, 5:30pm

      Oh live with it. We have al made faux pas and called people “half-caste”, “Bible-Basher” or “cripple”. I doubt there was any malicious intention. People need to learn to develop a slightly thicker skin. Sure, there are a lot of nasty people out there, but equally the majority are more ignorant than actively spiteful.

      1. speak for yourself.

      2. People need to learn to develop a slightly thicker skin.

        This is what most of the gay activists on these threads tell us when they berate us with childish insults, LOL. Its do as I say but not as I do.

        I never knew that calling a transexual a tranny was “offensive.” Its like when gay men are called homos. Uh, yeah. We are homos. Duh.

        Just more typical babel from the gay left that looks for every opportunity to take advantage of a situation.

        1. spanner is a filthy gay hating cnut best to ignore it

          1. Forget Spanner I’m drooling over pepa’s avatar. There’s one for the w@nk bank.

        2. it is an insult..And you really need to learn the difference between transsexual and transgender.. they are not the same..so calling a TRANSGENDER a tranny is very hurtful.

          1. Well instead of shaking your finger at me like a pissed off nun, why don’t you enlightened me.

            This is why you turn off a lot of people, and of course a lot of trannies will suffer from your anger and job as the thought police.

  2. Is tranny really a slur? What about trannyshack the very popular monthly drag club in San Francisco? Where’s the outrage at the name if it is???

    1. yes tranny is a slur when used by people who aren’t trans however a huge number of trans people won’t use it at all given it’s connotations. TBF you’ll probably find outrage over trannyshack if you look for it. It’s certainly not an event I’d go to if I were in SF.

      1. Does it matter if it’s used by someone who is trans or not, it’s a slur, end of! Same as f*g or queer. I’m really sick of the ‘i’m gay so I can use it’, or ‘I’m trans so I can use it’ or even ‘I’m black so I can use it’ like with the rappers.

        The I’m taking it back so it loses it’s offence excuse is crap! If I’m going to use it it seems stupid to take a fit if someone uses it who isn’t!!

        1. Spanner1960 28 Jul 2011, 5:32pm

          Get a life, drama queen.

          1. LOL.

            I think there are people who cannot live without feeling insulted and what not.

            Believe me these people will never be satisfied.

        2. But haven’t some campaigners said that “queer” isn’t an insult, however frightening some of us find it when aimed at us?

  3. Genuine remorse? Remorse at being caught. Only a f–king thicko would send emails accidentally. This pair must have IQs in single digits and the fact they’re calling a contestant by a derogatory term makes me think they’re trash as well as uneducated.

  4. Teraina Hird 28 Jul 2011, 2:23pm

    This purely a matter of education. Its a incorrect public perception that all Transgendered people are Trannys a name usually reserved for Transvestites.
    Re-education is whats needed here. They made a mistake thats all. Us Transsexual folk hate being called Trannys, TV’s on the other hand dont seem to mind.

    1. I agree Teraina. It seems a lot of people within the gay community do use the word tranny and don’t think it is going to be offensive. Education is what is absolutely needed. If these staff members for the X Factor actually thought tranny was an offensive word that should not be used I’m 100% sure they would not have sent an email with the word as a heading or in the body of the mail. Unless they were complete morons which I am sure they not working on the production team of the biggest TV show in the UK.

    2. Staircase2 28 Jul 2011, 5:24pm

      Hallelujah!
      A reasonable voice in the wilderness! At long last!
      Thanks, Teraina!

      Of course the logical next step to that being: if its ok to use the word ‘tranny’ in connection with someone who is a transvestite but not if they are a transsexual/transgendered then how are people outside of them supposed to accurately decide which is which?

      It can often be very hard to know what someone’s personal situation is – especially when someone is in the process of/early stages of transition.

      For me personally the word ‘tranny’ is one of those off-the-cuff ‘I’ll be as hurtful as I like because I can’ kind of words. And people often revel in that power-game of name calling. You only have to look at the comments boards on Pink News to see ongoing examples of that – mostly among people who really should know better in the first place.

      1. Pamela Giovanni 6 Aug 2011, 7:19pm

        Transgender prefer to be viewed as female or male. Their for the want of a better word ‘chosen’ sex.

        The truth of the matter is that I was upset by the use of the word as I am NOT a transvestite. For theses people to be using it was both an insult and ignorant as they had been educated by me as to my thoughts on the matter BEFORE the e-mail was sent.

        NO I did not have a meltdown and NO I did not threaten to tell the judges. Why on earth would I shoot myself in the foot.

        These ignoramuses have taken an opportunity away that should never have been in question. If I could get so far on my own merit, why be denied the chance of a TV audition because of ‘THEIR’ stupidity?

        And I am only commenting on this as I was not the original complainant to the paper, (another conundrum). Why print the article in The Sun in the first place. OK the pics of me were stolen from MySpace but the story was not mine.

        Thoughts on this would be most welcome

  5. I don’t get what’s wrong with tranny. I’ve always seen it as more of an affectionate abbreviation of transvestite (rather than transgender). I and other gay friends (who aren’t transvestites) use it all the time without intending any offence to anyone. If anything, these two just got their terminology wrong.

    1. OrtharRrith 28 Jul 2011, 2:36pm

      It’s used on tv, in films and on the street as an insult and to mock and ridicule trans people. It isn’t nice to be on the recieving end of and shouldn’t be used. It’s not funny and it’s not affectionate.

    2. Paula Thomas 28 Jul 2011, 2:47pm

      If it is short for ‘transvestite’ it would certainly be regarded as a slur by transsexuals. Bloody hell which part of missgendering is a insult don’t you get!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    3. Another Hannah 28 Jul 2011, 3:10pm

      As a transsexual I’m quite happy with it, but I recognise there are those who find it offensive. For myself I’m more concerned with the more serious discrimination.

      1. Spanner1960 28 Jul 2011, 5:33pm

        Another Hannah: Thank you Hannah, a sensible and balanced response. I just wish people would stop with the knee-jerk reactions.

        1. Being deliberately misgendered by a stranger is quite a scary thing – it’s like someone you don’t know shouting “LIAR” at you in the street. Calling a transsexual a “tranny” is calling them a transvestite, which misgendering them, which is calling them a liar.

          It really is upsetting.

      2. So you don’t mind being marginalized and being put down? That’s the context in which it’s used 90% of the time. I personally hate it. I consider it equivalent to calling a gay person “f@g”.

    4. Ashlee Kelly 29 Jul 2011, 9:57pm

      Every single time I’ve been called a tranny, its always been in a nasty way. Nobody has ever said it to me with affection, there has always been some venom behind it. That’s why I find it offensive, because its always used in an offensive way, and to think otherwise is just ignorant.

  6. Jen Marcus 28 Jul 2011, 2:40pm

    I think “tranny” in any context is a vulgar,derogatory and offensive term and as some in this thread have commented equivalent to a racial,ethnic, or religious slur.

  7. Sorry if this is really naive of me but I thought tranny was a shortening of transgender, or an informal way of saying it.

    1. Paula Thomas 28 Jul 2011, 2:48pm

      No, it isn’t!

      1. This is exactly the point I am making (see above comment from Teraina)….

        A lot of people do not think it to be offensive and use it casually. Education is what is needed.

  8. Another Hannah 28 Jul 2011, 3:14pm

    Thing that concerns me about this is I told them so about a year ago, took the complaint right to the top, told them they needed to deal with it properly or else it would happen again. I wasn’t able to take it any further, since there is no recourse or right anywhere to stop it. Hence though given the risk of this I haven’t been able to audition any more because of this attitude, so they are definately discriminating, stopping me even getting a chance. I continue to follow my open university and college mucsic courses though, because music and drama are my reason for living in life, something which i probably got from my great grandad who was aprofessional classical musician and music teacher, just liek I’m trying to do!

    1. as i said in my other post i dont think the x factor exist for the contestant’s benifit. what is success to an artist really? i would hate to imagine people getting buzzed off the x factor and going home to ebay all their gear but it happens. if you sing because you enjoy to or because you want the appreciation and credit for your talent and hard work i dont think anybody needs simon cowell’s approval. last year’s winner belongs in my indie band. where is he now? xD.

      1. Pamela Giovanni 6 Aug 2011, 7:22pm

        I just wanted to get on ‘The BEST of the WORST’ lol

  9. Another Hannah 28 Jul 2011, 3:19pm

    Last year a security guard was really nasty to me, and after I requested (and i was very polite) to complain about the fact that I seemed to be being singled out in the queues, pulled me out and told me a couldn’t go in or get my audition. Naturally I was very upset, and had to get the audition on another day. Didn’t get through, presumably not good enough, that’s the way it goes BUTTTTT I tried to make clear the problems with prejudice in the way their staff conducted themselves (Talkback Thames), and specifically complained about Simon Cowell’s use of the word tranny to ITV3 and talkback managers, and wanted to speak to the security guards to try to prevent the same thing happeneing to someone else, since it seemed they couldn’t be bothered. I wasn’t allowed.

    1. Another Hannah 28 Jul 2011, 3:22pm

      Incidentally I don’t worry about the word tranny, but I recognise many do and that it is COMMONLY regarded as offensive.

  10. This was an over reaction.

    I understand being pissed if it’s meant maliciously but with the in educated a reply kindly saying please don’t call me that would of been far more constructive.

    I dot think they should be sacked.

    They wouldn’t send an email to an ethnic person with the n word in it as theyve been taught it’s wrong but so many people just aren’t taught about how to address people of different gender orientation and sexual orientation.

    I know we weren’t in school. The fault here is no the researchers but society. We don’t teach people how to talk to others. When I was in secondary school 2000-2005 we were taught how to talk to people male, female, racial backgrounds. But nothing on gay people or transgender people.

    1. Dani Cailin 29 Jul 2011, 5:08pm

      So since society is ignorant and oppressive, the people who get dumped on and mistreated should suck it up and cope? NO!

      People who use the word “tranny” almost exclusively use it as a slur. They may claim ignorance but if you follow the tone, context or inflection it becomes clear that they know exactly what they are doing. Why was the subject worded that way and not just her full name? It was an insult and they knew it. If I was her I would be extremely angry. It was inexcusable.

      Bigots need to stop hiding behind ignorance and “society”. If I have to wait for “society” to treat me as a human being before I have permission to be angry over mistreatment? That is beyond broken.

    2. Pamela Giovanni 6 Aug 2011, 7:24pm

      That was precisely my erply Adam. I simply asked what the heading was about and asked that they not refer to me in that way. They were told months prior to the e-mail incident. This is why I think it was malicious

      1. Pamela Giovanni 6 Aug 2011, 7:25pm

        sorry *reply

    3. “we were taught how to talk to people male, female, racial backgrounds. But nothing on gay people or transgender people.”

      Is it not common knowledge to be polite to everyone!!!!
      Why do you have to be thought how to be polite to Gay or transgender, we are all the same, trying to get through life without all this grief and hate.

      There is absolutely no call for derogatory name calling in any shape or form

  11. Hmmm…I wonder what would have happened had they mistakenly emailed a black X-Factor contestant addressing them as ‘Pam the N-Word’?

    Despite having high-falutin’ job titles which describe them as “researchers” they don’t really sound that intelligent to me. Clearly, academics they are not. In those sort of jobs the title of “researcher” is often little more than an honorific euphemism for someone who gets paid as part of the team because they slept with one, several or all of the executive management – or else despite being generally unemployment are there in those positions because they are lucky enough to have wealthy, “connected” parents.

  12. Ps. Apologies: for “unemployment” read “unemployable” – but ya probably get my drift;)

  13. the opening rounds of this type of programe seem to exist only for the purpose of humiliating people. everybody remembers the audience smirking when susan boyle took to the stage on bgt and how nobody could talk about her amazing voice without dwelling on her appearance. the x factor doesn’t just lower standards when it comes to pumping out terrible acts like cher lloyd. i would have to agree with other posters in the fact that the only remorse was getting caught, but i feel the reason they still have their jobs is because they were doing it right in the eyes of the producers.

    …and as for the bar in san francisco, people have a choice to go there. the x factor exploits peoples hopes and dreams to chase ratings.

  14. I was having a bad morning till I read this and I laughed my head off so much my whole office came and read the story and we had a good old laugh. Hilarious!

    1. If you’re gay and someone calls you a “f@g” do you think that’s funny? Well that’s the equivalent here.

      1. Yes I would think that was funny and I would laugh. I did laugh at your answer to my post.

        1. Pamela Giovanni 6 Aug 2011, 7:26pm

          youre an idiot Michael. Obvioulsy non Gay and picked up a copy of the Pink Paper to be with the IN crowd. You really need to be OUTED

  15. Jock S. Trap 29 Jul 2011, 11:55am

    Education is key as always but sadly and unfortuntely their will always be people whose only intent is to offend, regardless of the outcome.

    They usually are good at throwing it mind but give it back you have an entirely different story.

  16. Doesn’t anyone find it interesting that Pam was described as having a “meltdown” after discovering the email. It sounds a lot like blaming the victim to me. And also a lot like the misogynistic behavior of dismissing women by labeling them as too emotional. Just saying.

    1. Absolutely, Rachel.
      A drag queen came up to a transgender friend at Nottinghamshire Pride this weekend. The gaggle of teens following la “drag queen” were pointing at my friend shouting ‘There’s one!’
      Drag queen was looking for drag queens to take part in a drag queen race. Despite my friend saying she’s transgender not a drag queen, and despite her clothing not having one single sequin on it, it took a stupid amount of time for said drag queen to get the message.
      Transgender/trans-sexual is not the same as a drag queen or a transvestite (who either get a sexual kick out of dressing up in women’s clothing or get paid to do it). A transgender/sexual actually have the wrong gender assigned to them and want it to change. It’s a known medical condition.
      Tranny is not friendly as a term and it’s used to describe transvestites, NOT transgender or trans-sexuals.
      All you people who think it’s acceptable to throw such terms around had better grow up just rather a lot.

      1. Pamela Giovanni 6 Aug 2011, 7:28pm

        hear hear. My point exactly

  17. To be doing well in a competition you have worked hard at only to find out that the organisers consider your defining characteristic to be something you spend every day seeing society stigmatise and ridicule is a horrible, horrible thing.

  18. Sophie Hawthorne 2 Aug 2011, 2:07am

    So people need educating? Here goes….

    TS/Transsexual/Woman-Man with a transsexual history = All these terms refer to a man or woman who’s internal gender identity does not match their assigned birth gender. It is very rude and offensive to refer to them in any other term than the appropriately gendered pronoun, him/her, he,she etc. It is not a question of simple misgendering, it is deeply offensive simple as that. We were born this way and have no choice in our gender identity.

    Trans Gender = A politically expedient term which acts as an umbrella under which all gender variant people are sometimes, willingly or not, placed. In my experience some transsexual people don’t seem to mind being referred to as trans gendered and some object and find the term insulting. Taking it’s literal Latin translation as ‘across gender’ I do find it insulting and will ask people who use it to describe me, by mistake, not to in future. There education in action.

    1. Pamela Giovanni 6 Aug 2011, 7:30pm

      Why can we not be addressed by our names and not categorise us? As far as I am concerned I am female and my name is Pamela-Michelle. END OF :)

  19. Sophie Hawthorne 2 Aug 2011, 2:15am

    Intersexed = A medical condition where some people possess a different chromosomal make up than the average XX/XY. There are too many variations and manifestations of this condition to list here so simple use the appropriate gender and pronouns as in the case of transsexual people.

    TV/CD/T Girl = Various terms given to people who enjoy, for whatever reasons, presenting and dressing in the clothes of the opposite sex. Do them the courtesy of at least asking how they would like to be addressed.

    Tranny = Ugly and nasty term used by the Ill educated.
    Simples!

  20. Is Tranny actually a slur? Was a meltdown really necessary. I think a lot of people need to grow up and stop jumping on the bandwagon.

    1. Read Sophie’s post above. Yes it’s a slur. Yes, education is the best remedy. Yes, attempts at education seem to have no effect at all. Yes, those last two statements are contradictory.
      Yes, people who use a word as a slur, know it’s a slur, and continue to use it need to grow up.
      Yes, people who decide for others whether they are ‘allowed’ to feel insulted over the usage of a word need to ‘grow up’ as well.

    2. Pamela Giovanni 6 Aug 2011, 7:31pm

      Read my post Jem. A meltdown did NOT occur but YES tranny is a slur

  21. Jason Brown 2 Aug 2011, 2:15pm

    I just thought tranny was just a way of saying trans, it doesn’t specify whether they’re transexual or transgender etc, just trans.
    I doubt any offence was meant to be caused and I’ve been called much worse, how come that hasn’t made the news? :P

    1. OrtharRrith 2 Aug 2011, 2:36pm

      No it’s not – this seems to be a bit of acircular arguement here with one person stating they thought it meant trans or transgender, or wasn’t an insult, then being told they are infact wrong and it’s considered an insult, only for the next person (or close to it) to post stating they thought it meant trans or transgender, or wasn’t an insult etc etc. and around we go again.
      I realise that many gay and straight people won’t know what why it is offensive to trans people, this is why a number of trans people have taken the time to explain it earlier in the thread; but please take our word for it; many, MANY trans people DO indeed find it offensive and degrading, regardless of weither you intended it to be offensive or not.

      1. Pamela Giovanni 6 Aug 2011, 7:34pm

        Hear Hear EXACTLY. Tranny is a derogatory term used by many. And my own mother aimed it at me as a youngster. She made me feel dirty and degraded. Due to her religious beliefs she says god does not make mistakes and that I was an abomination in gods eyes.

        Something that the researchers never went into nor realised why I politely addressed the subject with them over.

  22. Pamela Giovanni 6 Aug 2011, 7:40pm

    As the subject of this article please let me enlighten you.

    Firstly I did not have a meltdown nor did I threaten to ‘blab’ to the judges.

    Secondly this e-mail came months after the first audition and the researchers had been informed as to my thoughts on title. I am Pamela-Michelle why address me as anything other than that?

    Thirdly did they ask or understand why I took the comment personally and draw them aside to explain to them?

    And finally their ignorance deprived me a chance to perform in front of the judges even if the judges were to say NO. At least I would have had a stab at it.

    Now I will NEVER know nor do I know whether it is worth auditioning next year. My personal view is ‘stuff em’ and go for it again if there is another series after this one.

  23. The overwhelming majority of the trans community (and crossdressers to for that matter) refer to themselves as ‘trannies” so it’s hardly a slur, more fantastic unbiased reporting from pinknews.

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