Please, please keep the fight up Stonewall to stop the govt ever changing this law! You’re doing the right thing and I hope you’re monitoring this potential change all the way.
And Peter Tatchell thinks such street preachers have every right to such “freedom of speech”.
Stonewall, please do indeed keep up the pressure to make such hurtful verbal behaviour in public a criminal offence.
I think this gay couple should take Stu’s advice that he gave me: “Get a thicker skin”
I think this is probably the most honest advice he ever gave, in fact that is why I am the way that I am, and I don’t really care what some of you have to say… but obviously it is one advice that Stu and company refuses to follow for themselves and on their select elite.
Oh and for the rest of you:
GET OVER IT.
As usually you contribute nothing.
Ya medication worn off I see…
I make my contribution as simple and as short as possible, yet you still don’t get it…. maybe the problem is with you jockstrappo and not with those who try to communicate to you.
Thats probably because you are simple yourself pepa.
I prefer intelligent people to debate with like most on here.
“I prefer intelligent people to debate with like most on here.”
Hence why you respond to every one of my post. I’m flattered. But I must warn you, I don’t cow tow the gay liberal, equality for all nonsense. Lets see, I have a mind of my own and don’t believe everything that PN and the gay corporate media tell what to believe in.
I think you are an intelligent person jockstrappo, hence why I suggest to train yourself in engaging in intelligent debates and discourses. Because you have been brainwashed ten fold.
LOL – did you train to be an idiot or did it come naturally?
I have to aree with you Pepa; We, the poofs and dykes.. and other transfigurementations; are becoming so F..n sennsitive… That we are starting to behave like the straight phobes.. I agree .. Get a thicker skin… or educate them..!
Of course you do dear.
Oh and as ever you misquote me
Go back and look and see the context
What I was referring to was your double standards where you seem to feel it is appropriate to call people names and make accusations but when people then comment factually (albeit negatively) about you – you seemed to try and cry off and complain you felt bullied – despite the fact you were the one calling people rapists and paedophiles without evidence.
If you are going to use my words and attribute them to me, use them in context and explain the significance of why you were told to get a thicker skin rather than misrepresent
Freedom of speech carries with it responsibilities – something you seem to know nothing about
Shouldn’t this story read: Possible unknown nut-job allegedly tells two men to go to hell? From reading the story, it seems no-one knows who this alleged “preacher” is, and the supposed event happened 9 months ago – why take so long to report it?
The man was probably a street drunk or something, just ranting at passers by. The liberal press spent the past week calling Anders Breivik a “Christian fundamentalists”, even though he was a Freemason, and according to his manifesto, thought “religion is for the weak”, deified science over faith and doubted the existence of God. It now turns out he used to attend Gay Pride events, as a participant – doubt the liberal press will point this out. Seeing he didn’t even belong to a Church and denied the fundamentals of Christianity, it’s probably safe to say that he is no “Christian fundamentalist”.
Is the preacher in this story a member of the (RC) Order of Preachers? Doubt it. Unless one is a member of the Church then s/he is not Christian.
“Open-air preaching, street preaching or public preaching is the act of publicly proclaiming a religious message to crowds of people in open places. It is an ancient method of communicating a religious or social message, and has been used by many cultures and religious traditions but today is usually associated with Christian fundamentalism or evangelicalism.”
What gets me is it’s these people that bang on about some invented ‘Gay Agenda’ Yet it’s not us shouting on street corners or in town/city centres nor is it us who go banging door to door to ‘spread’ the word, or stopping people in the streets.
Total projection, typical of religion.
Exactly. Were a gay person to carry on like them, he/she would be charged with solicitation, lewd public misconduct or some other such infraction. When or if I need a preacher, I know where to find one and its not at my front door.
I dont like street preaching but I support the fundamental right to carry it out in terms of freedom of speech/religion provided they take responsibility for not carrying out libellous acts, bigotted acts or act in a harrassing or offensive manner.
I find knocking on my door to preach to me unacceptable and invasive.
And so the fundy distancing and misinformation begins.
If he was gay, why did he allocate some 2000 euros from his budget for the services of a ‘high class escort girl’.
Furthermore, what has this got to do with this story?
Read the story – this happened last month and was a recurrence of a previous incident
“Unless one is a member of a church s/he is not a Christian. “. On the contrary, a Christian is anyone who believes in Christ.
Well said! While this preacher’s actions weren’t exactly very Christian in my opinion, I don’t agree with Michelangelo’s speculation above that he was just drunk. I’ve got homophobic abuse from non-religious people, yes, but not one of those has told me I’ll burn in hell. That lovely phrase has only been said to me by Christians.
I agree wholeheartedly. Of course, homophobia is not restricted to Christians … but homophobia linked to damnation usually is
According to Wiki, Breivert’s pamphlet quotes from Melanie Phillips’ Daily Mail column extensively. Clearly he is insane.
Well Melanie is a lunatic extremist who is clever enough not to openly advocate violence. We all know that her position is very similar to Breivert’s
I suspect many Christians who are not a member of the RC church would take issue with that view point
This government may think that it is only sticks and stones that we need to ban and that words can’t hurt us; ‘lest we forget’ Hitler’s brand of fascism started with words & look what came next…
I agree, we need to remember that violence begins with words, and that any form of malicious intent, has the propensity to esculate into further more insidous intent.
Words are part of a continuum of violence
Words are just earlier in the continuum than other factors of violence
I do hope they don’t amend Section 5.
I also, think public speaking should be confined to a specific place in a town/city, for example, speakers corner. You can’t have them setting up their stall anywhere.
Cordoned off into places where nobody comes. I’ve spoken at Speakers’ Corner and it is not a fun experience as there are nutters all around, and that’s before you count the hecklers. We should resist confining public speaking to specific places; how else can we demonstrate outside embassies etc. I don’t like the USA thing of having to keep moving either.
This is depicable behaviour and it wouldn’t be tolerated if it was towards women or the Black community nor to muslims so why is it fine for our community.
Peter Tatchell and his cronies do us no service by campaign for this vile intolerance to be allow, particularily when it is only deemed acceptable towards the LGBTQ community.
Preachers should preach not Judge and don’t they have Churches etc for their vile brand of extremism?
Or towards a politician. They may start to change their tune when they end up at the receiving end of a loud public harangue.
Not sure where Miss Tachtell is coming from these days; his capitulation to the ‘arrest the pope’ thing was very odd. The blue plaque queerer still.
The story also appeared in the local county newspaper (possibly, indeed very likely, the source of Pink Paper’s article):
The positives are the robust response of the police and the local vicar who condemned hate preaching. It does read, if “Maxis” is to be believed, as if Craig Manning’s partner has got some sadly ineffective retaliation in already, but I wonder how this Maxis recalls so clearly what happened last October. No doubt the police will want to interview him/her as a witness to the earlier incident.
It’s OK the EHRC will no doubt step in and defend this man…. Give us some clarity.
Maybe Angela can defend his right to shout abuse at her if he decides takes things to that cabal the EHRC.
PS Where is she?
I was not a witness to the earlier incident, my information came from the horses mouth so to speak. Mr manning did not persue charges in the first incident, he claimed to me that his partner had jumped over a railing to spit at the preacher for what he had said (of which I don’t know word for word, but much the same abuse) Also they were both in court proceedings late last year over a previous case of assault and felt it would go against them to report this in full at the time to the police (Mr Manning was charged for this assault and fined)
Expect the “Christian” Institute to be frothing at the mouth over this Section 5 again as part of their latest efforts to undermine the gay community.
Funny how it’s the same crowd who condemn “blasphemy” and anti-Christian sentiments in the media. Bloody religious hypocrites again.
I’m happy so long as homophobia is on par with racism, no preferential treatment and no pecking order. Abolish Section 5 by all means but then don’t complain when the KKK turn up at the Notting Hill Festival!
……….For those who seem to be strangers to a Dictionary. From
The Oxford Concise Dictionary.
age’nda n. things to be done; (list of) items of business to be condidered at a meeting.[L, neut. pl. ofgerundive of agere do; now usu. treated as sing]
So given the above we most certainly do have a Gay agenda, and that is to be traeted equal to everyone else in society, in terms of law family and parternship ie. marriage.
So those who throw this in our faces are just stating the obvious and onlly serve too make themselves look foolish. However those of US who deny such an agenda only do us a disservice my denying that we have issues which need addressing ie: a Gay Agenda.
their idea of a gay agenda is normally homophobic lies/crap
this is what many idiots claim they want via freedom of speech etc
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There’s the actual “gay agenda” (equality), and then there’s the perceived agenda. You know the one where we’re out to recruit children, destroy the family, and take over the world. That one.
I did that last week, took 20 mins and was quite boring…
my agenda is to have a cup of tean and do the ironing …
tea damnit …
I believe that street preachers have the right to freedom of speech too. Everybody should have. Unless they abuse that right and spout hateful things. So the guy in this particular story is bang out of order and needs to learn some basic manners, let alone follow Christs example of tolerance.
But I definitely would rather live in a world where people have the right to express their beliefs, rather than a world where people are censored. (Even though, it must be said, Jesus himself apparently talked against street preaching, and instead advocated silent solitary prayer).
But Ive always been a bit touched that these people seem to care enough about all of us to want to do this stuff. As misguided as I think their beliefs are, they obviously believe it, and are concerned for the salvation of our souls.
But the whole topic is a difficult one. Who should have the greater right? The street preacher, or should the public have the right not to have to listen to it? I mean, if we wanna hear
I believe in freedom of speech.
But this guy sounds like he was engaging in harassment and anti-social behaviour, which shouild not be supported.
I would defend his right to protest about homosexuality. Likewise I would defend the right to promote atheism outside a church or a mosque.
But when you start attacking individuals simply for being alive then you should be arrested.
the word of God, then we all know where to go. Theres Churches on every street corner almost
If I recall,, in the new testament, Jesus Christ preached against those proclaiming their religious beliefs from the rooftops and making a show of it. Clearly, these street “preachers” are NOT christians in any way shape or form. Judge not lest ye shall be judged obviously falls on deaf ears in most of these cases. It doesn’t bother me that much if someone rants in the street against gay people or anyone else, as long as we have the right to ridicule or offend them in return.
I strongly believe in Voltaire’s statement…”I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”.
Once we start hindering and prosecuting people for offencive speech, no matter how much it hurts or incites others,then we are walking down a very slippery slope.
The right to engage in ‘Offensive’ speech should be defended.
Personal attacks, harassment and anti-social behaviour should not be. And that’s what this preacher seems to have done.
Likewise to protest against paedophilia outside a catholic church is acceptable. But if you start making accusations against an individual priest who has never been charged with a crime, then you absolutely should not have the right to do that.
I agree with that. To me, picking out individuals, approaching them and having a go at them is a personal attack and shouldn’t be done. I tend to agree that it’s harrassment. People should be allowed to go about their business without strangers coming up to them and abusing them.
I agree that “offensive” beliefs should be tolerated, just as the Norwegian PM has stated. To then attack whether verbally or physically on the basis of these beliefs or to harass people about their opposition to those beliefs etc etc is not acceptable.
I would give one rider to the RC priest issue – if you personally have evidence of their guilt that may be appropriate
Commenting on your last paragraph, do you really feel that the freedom of speech should be limitless? No matter how much it hurts others?
As Ive already made clear, Im absolutely a supporter of free thinking, speech and expression. But when someone’s speech and expression is a significant source of suffering to someone else, then I think it needs to be approached by different rules and intervention in some way may be the correct thing to do.
Im not talking about someones feelings getting a bit hurt. Protection against that would just be a nanny state. Im talking about considerable suffering due to hate speech and hate action
His entiled to his opinion and views.
The sooner the public order act is modified the better.
I agree that in a democracy it is right to value the ideal of free speech, but freedom to express ideas also carries an ethical responsibility.
When ideas or opinions are used in an inflammatory manner, I question whether or not a person still has a right to express these ideas publically, especially if the ideas or opinions have become a vehicle for escalating violence towards a group of people.
Since inflammatory acts are subjective and contingent, perhaps we should define more clearly what is and is not acceptable expression of dislike towards LGBT people, holding in mind the right of the other to disagree with us
The issue is whether he is entitled to broadcast them in a public place, or single out people for bullying.
These ‘preachers’ pick their locations carefully, don’t they? I’d dearly love to see him proclaiming damnation to non-believers in, say, Southall or Brick Lane.
Indeed, if he did Brick Lane I suspect it could be an entirely different police investigation atogether.
But then people no doubt would say well he/she shouldn’t have been doing it.
Funny how things are different when it comes to the LGBTQ community.
And this Peter Tatchell stands up for.
Being he is a Human Rights activist maybe someone should remind him Gay people, Lesbians etc are Humans too, with all the emotions and feelings of any Human Being.
If somebody tried preaching eternal hell-fire and damnation in Brick Lane they will suddenly find out why Brick Lane is so called!!!
I suspect that one of two things would happen – a homicide investigation or requirements for lots of riot police
People have a right to go about their business without being abused in Public , surely it constitutes a Breach or the Peace and is threatening behaviour , in many countries the protagonist would be locked up and given mental health treatment .
Religion = Hate
That is overly simplistic, untrue and falsifiable.
Religion is a mild form of mental illness Whether thr comment is overly simplistic etc. or not I think we do without “comments” from the ultimate traitor to the LGBT cause, a gay Catholic.
You have merely chanted the same words but more loudly. You have also conferred upon yourself the self-anointed ability to determine what is the gay cause and who is to be determined a traitor. It is the same characteristic shared by the word fascists in European history although, doubtless, on a smaller scale.
You have merely chanted the same words but more loudly. You have also conferred upon yourself the self-anointed ability to determine what is the gay cause and who is to be determined a traitor. It is the same characteristic shared by the fascists in European history although, doubtless, on a smaller scale.
I stick by my guns. You are a supporter of one of the most seriously homophobic institutions in human history. You should be ashamed, especially when there are so many respectable Christian churches if you must practise your faith (i.e. credulity)
And for the record the point about Fascists is that they tried to stop exercising their rights. I don’t – I just reserve the right to make it clear what I think of you.
It is disappointing that you choose not to reflect on your words. If religion is a mental illness then you would have the privilege of being one of the few in the world who is sane. It is often seems that those who genuinely are not sane believe that they themselves are the only ones who see the reality as opposed to the world at large which does not.
To state that to have religion is to have mental illness is extreme, demonstrably wrong, intolerant and contrary to the weight of professional medical opinion. To confer upon yourself the right to determine who is a traitor to the gay cause is dictatorial, self-aggrandising and proto-fascist.
You are entitled to your views Secularist, freedom of speech permits that.
As a gay person without faith, I find your choice of words offensive and damaging to cohesive LGBT communities
Abuse in public is abuse in public. Period! What right does anyone have to shout, preach,or proclaim any belief in a public place at any time? Really fed up of street preachers blasting out their venom and local church folk wandering the streets preaching ‘the ways of the lord’ by knocking on everydoor and sticking a leaflet into your hand ( just happened to me 10 min ago) Sounds more like a belief structure in a last desparate gasp at getting some attention. If you need or felt you wanted the help of such an outfit then you would toddle off to local church etc yourself. It does’nt need ramming down our throats or shouted at us in public spaces! Peter T should think again over this, otherwise we could and perhaps should do the same. Imagine a gay rights agenda being shouted out across public squares and knocking doors and putting gay equality issues through every letter box ??? Bet that would soon get a vocal responce eh! Whats good for the goose…..
Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to engage in harassment, bullying or anti-social behaviour.
Even those on the Left in England are on the Right – trying to make good manners compulsory by laws. It really has to be seen to be believed.
Today, it is wrong to insult gay people. However, those same laws could be used tomorrow against gay people who want to protest against aggressive Islamic organisations such as the East London Mosque.
This preacher seems to have been engaging in harassment and anti-social behaviour though and that cannot be legal.
I would defend him if was condemning homosexuality (just as I would defend someone condemnig islam).
However seeing as he was harassing this couple then that should be illegal.
….one wonders what would happen if say half dozen or so GLBs turned up at religious services and started heckling them in the way they abuse us. On second thoughts i think it would be a very good idea. Instead of organisisn Prides we send out groups to heckle street preacher and homophobic churches and mosques. What is good for the gander etc…… I imagine there would be some very hasty law making on the part of the homophobic Law and Justice Tories.
“What is good for the gander…..”
Funny you should say that.
Aren’t you the one that when you have nothing to say, picks on the others peoples spelling and grammar and being bitchy about it?
I’m thinking so…
I mean that last comment there of yours, I and most would leave it but not you if the shoe was on the other foot.
Considering the amount of times you dig at me for having dyslexia and make geniune mistakes as well as things I put MY way…
Oh, hang on I sense a Paddys… name change to make a point…wait for it….wait for it……any minute now…
I agreed with you up until your gratuitous attack on the Right. It should be perfectly lawful for GLBT persons to demonstrate outside homophobic mosques. I would expect, however, that such behaviour would fall under this section 4 or section 5 law.
I promote the right to freedom of speech but I deplore harassment and villification of people – that is where responsibilities come in – people who exercise their rights should recognise their responsibilities.
If there is a Hell, I rather think it is those who are busy trying to send others there who are more likely to end up there themselves.
Are they not there already? One imagines that being steeped in so much hatred must be a hell in itself.
burn in hell
who is stupid enough to believe in hell and heaven
religions are all lies
there are not any gods /dogs
There are dogs! Why insult dogs by referencing them with religion. My dog is real and beautiful. He truly is a saviour in this harsh world and gives me the best greetings and love when I come home. He forgives and loves me no matter what I do wrong. He never tell me I will burn in hell and thinks I am just the bee’s knees, especially when I sacricifice a few dog cookies to him.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The street preacher is the one who is going to burn in hell!
………judging others is what keeps these people alive. If they couldn’t judge others their lives would be meaningless, because judging others as lesser beings gives themselves and their beliefs legitimacy. In fact ithink they should be ignored completely because nothing has the same effect as being ignored by those you hate.
de Villiers, that’s a bit hypocritical of you. France prohibits by its penal code and by its press laws public and private communication which is defamatory or insulting, or which incites discrimination, hatred, or violence against a person or a group of persons on account of place of origin, ethnicity or lack thereof, nationality, race, specific religion, sex, sexual orientation, or handicap. The law prohibits declarations that justify or deny crimes against humanity, for example, the Holocaust.
That doesn’t necessarily make France a right wing country.
I agree, Robert, although those French laws are for the protection of the secular Republic and guard against a particular group being singled out for public humiliation – as did the fascists do to Jews, gays, gypsies, people of colour and the disabled in terrible periods of European history. What is different – and that which I think should be repealed, is an all encompassing, unfocused law that fails to define what is insulting behaviour and which fails to identify the groups to be protected. Hence I read of Conservatives wearing t-shirts stating “Boll****s to Blair and Brown” being threatened with arrest under this section 5 law and it also being used against protesters against the tax evasion in central London. It allows all of us to be arrested, which I consider is unwelcome.
Is this really a story? Is some nutter in Taunton espousing what we’ve all heard so many times before, worthy of comment? I’d like to think we have thicker skin than this, and only rise up when larger, darker voices inhibit the way in which we go about our lives.
Not everyone has your “thick skin” and to be treated like this, particularly in public could be in some instances the straw that broke the camels back.
Its clearly caught a lot of interest and is a relevant issue to other stories
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, and I’d be quite happy for hate crime laws to be watered down or scrapped altogether, so long as we’re allowed to shout from the street corner that Jews are money grabbing venom, nig nogs should go back to where they belong, Muslims are terrorists, and gay perverts will burn in hell or die of AIDS. These sentiments are all from the same place no matter how politely put, and should be dealt with in the exact same way.
I’m tired of religion being used as a disguise to insult gays, we are such an easy target. People are terrified to insult other groups, but homophobic bigots under the guise of “Christianity” are given a light slap on the wrist and rarely prosecuted.
If people want to ditch political correctness, then do it across the board and not at the expense of one single group!
I agree what is homophobic and not christian, is the way they pay no attention to the other parts of the bible that call for persecution, but suddenly need to take notice for gays. It shows really what a joke and how feeble minded the authorities and these non-christians are. Only this bit do they want to enact towards us, the rest they can ignore.
Walking through Kemp town in Brighton last Saturday afternoon, we were approached by a burly male person shouting homophobic abuse at us, we felt threatened by him. We reported it to the Police and told ‘it happens all the time’ in Brighton.
What did you say to the big burly fella? Hope you told him to go and take a run and jump. There were two of you!
other people came so we got running!!
British Govt. want to backward from human rights of dignity? The preacher is already in hell because he lose his heart on fire
I think the line in the sand has to be drawn at “Having a Personal Belief” and “Imposing the Personal Belief on others”.
If these people wish to denigrate and despise gay people, fine. Even if they don’t want to work with gay people, I can live with that as well. It’s when they try to persuade others that their opinion is the only right one, and turn other against us. THAT is when I draw the line.
All gays and gay friendly people need to carry video cameras with them or use your cell phones to video the attacks and harassment by theses crazy Christian Terrorist and put it on youtube or on the internet to show the world how insane Christians have become over gays, attacking gays who only want to live in peace, but the Christians are using psychological warfare against the gays by harassing them now all the time trying to destroy them with out shooting them like the Norway Christian Terrorist who killed all of those innocent women and children and men to get attention so as to take over the world for the Christians, they have truly gone insane. Protect yourselves by want ever means. Expose the Christian for who they really are, evil people who have become the very evil because they have failed to stop the evil they say is in the world and in their minds. They have become the evil, stop them before they stop you.
Video tape or record on your cell phones attacks lik this and put them on youtube or the internet to show people how crazy zome people can be.
you cannot allow hate monsters yelling hatemessages out at children and families as they walk down the street are drive by, are you in sane these people have peace lives and you cannot allow monsters posing as preachers, to terrorize passerbyers and famiies you must reprimadn this lunatic, and ban all street falsoe preachers if they are not being kind to others who pass by with word of kindness, they cannot be allowed to wield terroiest theats and try and frieghten children, one of theese people need to woop thier assess and they want go back down their scaring those peoples children as they pass by any more, these lunatics if they where genuine they would be somewhere handing out food and clothing , in a soup kitchen somewhere, like real christians do, and telling people not to harm one another, get it. they must stop the insanity of these people the other street preacher kidnapped durgood the girl and rapped her for years until now she was found in his possesion, with a bible,monster
Sad thing is we have no campaigner who understands us.
Tatchell wants same sex marriage but doesn’t mind us being abused and stonewall don’t want us abused but not equal.
The hypocricy of these people who say they represent us is disgusting.
No wonder the rest of the world ignores us and is homophobic, the uk is homophobic and in denial of it. They wont give us equal rights and are fruit to remove protections.
If someone shouted racial abuse they would be arrested. Shout homophobic abuse and people join In.
They should be burnned alive before going to Hell… :) However, I don’t want to that myself :(
You have been reported for advocating violence against gays and lesbians and being a hypocrit who want’s other bigots to do his dirty work for him. Pig! (sorry to defame pigs). Troll! FO and go away.
Same, I’m getting really p!ssed off with PinkNews’s acceptance of this homophobe.
I’m really starting to question if I really want to be associated with a group that does nothing to protect it’s readers.
Seriously? Your are offended and assaulted by someone telling you that you are going to place you do not believe even exists?
Same thing happened to a friend of mine who was dying. His partner was so upset it ended in a fistfight. So it is a public order offence anyway, inciting a breach of the peace.
The point is if that this fellow spewed verbal abuse about, eg: Muslims, Jews, the disabled,
people of different skin colour etc etc, he would have been hauled off the streets in a flash.
He confronted a gay couple in a public place and spilled his religious venom at them.
I know this town and have lived there.
Generally it’s much like any other town but I would fully expect to be able to walk into the
town center where I live and not get treatment like that.
Do you think that I should be able to walk into a town center and scream at women in their menstrual
cycle that they are ungodly, as defined in Leviticus 15:19-30 and then hide behind my religion when
the Law comes calling.
Its nothing to do with the religious aspect.
It’s to do with the fact that this idiot brought it into a secular public sphere.
Going up to strangers you’ve singled out and shouting verbal abuse at them is harrassment. It doesn’t matter whether there’s any truth in what the person says. It’s unnecessary and very unpleasant behaviour.
I agree. Strange how yet again the police react as not bothered.
Mike in the US
Whether you believe it or not it still advocates violence and that wouldn’t be accepted for any other group other than the LGBTQ community…apparently!
@Mike in the US…
……exactly. What has happened to make gay men such wimps. Heckle these bastards back and turn them into a laughing stock. I would have been back witin the hour with a group of Gay friends and seen this creep off. Le17ts stop being such sissys and turn the tables on these people…make their street preaching impossible and then take it to the churches and mosques. where are all these super butch queen in leather and chains? Take the fight to tthe streets, boys!
Some you do contradict yourselves.
One minute we should ‘grow thicker skins’ not be ‘so sensitive’ and ‘not take to heart’ then others agree that we should ignore it by…
Turning the tables on them and ‘take it to the churches and mosques’ and ‘take the fight to the streets’.
Now… Which is it?
Mike in the US, pay him no attention. He’s a pervert. He’s islamic, a cult that believes in polygamy and sex with underage girls.
I think Tatchell and Stonewall are now the problem.
They are so up their own backsides and self interest that they can no longer see the original issue.
Just my feeling on it.
Civil Partnered on Feb 1 this year.
Constantly told its hated and pointless.
By these lovely religious people.
Many congratulations Dr
You might want to rephrase your second sentence dear given your new marital status.
It’s a bit unreasonable to blame Peter Tatchell and Stonewall. I cannot see how they are the problem.
Congratulations Robin. Ignore the religious headcases out there. What do they know about love? They kill innocent Norwegian children and create wars.
I agree with Mike in The US.
People should grow a thick skin and not be so sensitive and take everything to heart, if someone said that to me id just ignore them. Its matters like this that people call us big girls and what not.
Could that be because you are Mike in the US?
I don’t get this attitude.. If these kind of remarks are aimed at the Black community, Women or the Disabled all kinds of people are up in arms and it is deemed unacceptable.
However if it is aimed at the LGBTQ community we have to not be so sensitive and grow a thicker skin.
Why is that? Why are we so different? Don’t we deserve the same respect as anybody else?
It’s unacceptable behaviour and the longer we ignore it, the longer the bullies get away with it and the longer others laugh at us.
Equality also means being able to live our lives without harrassment, without being brandished, without being insulted, just like everyone else.
We are not different!
And I thought Taunton smelt bad on the OUTSIDE….
Lol! Best comment EVER
I will ask Allah every day to remove all homosexuals from Earth, and support all Muslims who will follow Allah’s Order to terminate any homosexual wherever he will appear on Earth……
God-sucker, at least petitioning your imaginary dictator in the sky might provide a respite each day from your constant stroking–off Rich.
Good luck with that, (nurse. the fruitloop needs another injection, it’s become delusional, again).
While your doing that the rest of us will happily get on with our lifes, ta every so.
Rich isn’t a Muslim, he’s an islamophobic agitator, like Pepa.
Years ago I was given some advice… when I reflect on it there is a lot of truth to the wisdom offered:
Provocation = Reaction = Action = Aggression or Violence.
Reality confirms in most situations this is how fights feuds and beatings start.
Freedom of speech for a just cause is one thing insulting comments or abuse is another, whilst it is human nature to some times take things the wrong way, many things taken the way intended are hateful and hurtful. Quite often preachers without a parish are not preachers but hypocrites and should be accountable for the hatred they teach and harbor
It’s sad but just as often as not street preachers are care-in-the-community cases, now often with loudspeakers or amplifiers so they can shout at everyone all the better.
Yes, everywhere homosexuals shall be subject of total condemnation. Homosexuals distorting public morality, spreading homosexual politics and perverting European culture, and attempting destroying whole world order on planet Earth. Normal people must resist to such calamity in Mankind!
What’s your problem, ‘Rich’ – got a deep dark secret to hide? Projecting your secret self on to ‘homosexuals’? Classic syndrome – I’d pray for you were I that kind of praying person.
So a verbal assault will no longer be actionable? Can I now heckle Tory politicians with phrases like ‘Brown-nosing bigot!’ Or ‘Masturbating Murdochian!’ Or ‘Hetero Homophobe!’ Interesting…
Freedom of speech and religion does not give anyone the license to shout abuse at people. Not only does the Holy Bible contain six admonishments against homosexuals, it also contains 362 admonishments against straights. Furthermore the bible allows slavery but how many people advocate keeping blacks as slaves these days? In the USA the 1st Ammendment to the US Constituation allows the like of the Westboro Baptist Church and white supremesist groups to use words that would get the likes of the BNP into trouble if they used them here. Free speech and freedom of religion has to be balanced to protect all of us but unfortunately you cannot please everybody. Howevery I like to point out that I do not have time for manic street preachers who think they they can act as judge, jury and executioner on behalf of God.
If some random stranger spouting abuse under the title of ‘street preacher’ told me I was going to hell, I would tell them that I’d fcked Jesus and it felt terrific, and then laugh at them.
And then you would be sectioned.
Hell would be spending eternity in “heaven” with people like this.
I think the issue is whether feeling one is being insulted could result in action against the perpertrator. I think not as we will then be living in a society when we are afraid to speak out because we might offend someone. We can all take umbrage over what someone says but to involve the law is in most cases barmy. For that reason I support a review of this law.
As for the “burn in hell” comment – it sounds to me most un-Christian and could border on harrasment. If that is the case there should be legal protection. As is generally the case, a right balance is needed.