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  1. Staircase2 28 Jul 2011, 6:21pm

    This is outrageous.

    Even more outrageous that they should be using ridiculous anti-gay British colonial laws to do so.

    Shame on you Northern Republican of Cyprus.

    I know where I won’t be going on my holidays!

    (Isn’t Cyprus on the verge of bankruptcy along with Greece now?)

    1. Kick it out before it goes bankrupt too like Greece. Save us all a lot of hassle never mind money.

      By the way, scroll down the ads on this page.
      There’s one from Olympic Holidays advertising cheap holidays in guess where … CYPRUS!
      Anyone going?

      1. I can’t see the ad but I suppose it refers to the Republic of Cyprus (the proper country) not the illegal, self-proclaimed, pseudo-state in the north which continues to occupy part of the island.

    2. The so-called Northern Republic of Cyprus is not a real country. It is the part of the island which was invaded in the 70s and still remains under illegal Turkish occupation.
      And no, the Republic of Cyprus (an EU member) is not on the verge of bankruptcy.

      1. Bill (Scotland) 28 Jul 2011, 11:41pm

        I forebore to mention the real situation with Cyprus fiscal solvency, although my reaction when I first read poustis’s comment above was one of wry amusement (not of any gloating pleasure, mind, because their fiscal situiation is indeed dire and very worrying). However, I now understand the whole Cypriot cabinet has resigned this evening as the Euro crisis spreads; you can read more here:
        http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100099004/cyprus-cabinet-resigns-as-euro-crisis-spreads/

        Unfortunately and as I have been writing for some time (in my blog and in tweets) the economic crisis facing Europe and the US has only just begun – however bad we may think it has become so far, there is a great deal worse to come.

        As shocking and as worrying are the developments in Northern Cyrpus for these two men, I’m afraid I think that over the next several years this will be the least our (or indeed their) worries.

        1. Indeed. Most peope here are burying their heads in the sand if they think Britain is somehow insulated by the channel waters… when in reality it has one of the worst ratio of debt levels in the world. As in the US, we have a horde of ppl in a daze and craze of admiration for kings, queens, lords, bankers, ferraris and other rich celebrities, while governments slash the throat of the sick and poor. The world is finally turning their heads and taking a good look at the well dressed countries, selling themselves as the aristocrats of the whole lot, LOL

      2. You’re not Greek by any chance?

        1. No, I’m neither Greek no Cypriot.

    3. I can’t say I know much about the way the “Northern Republic” was set up or is operated, but somehow I find it hard to believe that British colonial laws can be blamed for a part of the world that is under illegal Turkish control. I somehow don’t feel that much that was British is likely to have been retained by this regime.

      1. Andrew Wells 29 Jul 2011, 12:20pm

        It’s not under Turkish control though. It acts and operates as a separate country from Turkey and has it’s own legal system etc.. The fact that homosexuality isn’t illegal in Turkey but happens to be in Northern Cyprus demonstrates this. Northern Cyprus still retains British colonial laws dating back to when Cyprus was part of the British Empire. The same went for the south of the island until they joined the EU, which wasn’t actually too long ago – homosexuality was also illegal there until relatively recently.

        1. Oh. Thanks for that.

    4. Cyprus’s is the third fastest-growing economy in Europe, and has been for some time. That’s SOUTHERN Cyprus, the legal part that is run by its rightful owners the Greeks. The northern side, illegally occupied by the Turks is… well… it’s just what you’d expect from anything run by Muslims. Partly derelict, partly bandit country, mostly undeveloped and in a very poor state financially and dependent on aid.

      1. I’m sorry to say but the government of that third fastest-growing economy in Europe has just been dissolved by its president. The main energy plant has been wiped out in the ammunition blast and the country has been downgraded by the rating agencies.

        You don’t have to be Mystic Meg to see a bailout in the near future.

      2. God, your views are repugnant!

        Go and read a book. Some of the richest states in the world are run by muslims. Brunei?

        1. That was aimed at Enoch..named after Enoch Powell quite possibly.

        2. Spanner1960 29 Jul 2011, 4:06pm

          Mendirin: “Some of the richest states in the world are run by muslims. Brunei?”
          Name *one* that has done it without floating on oil.

          1. Great argument that could be used against the US, UK and Norway too

          2. Floating only with the “help” of the most reverend and approval of HRH, the cleanest of the clean.

      3. Enoch

        Firstly, your repugnant views where your assert that Muslim = poor economy and illegality are prejudiced and about as palatable as a certain right wing extremist incarated in Norway currently.

        Secondly, whilst Cyprus used to have an expanding economy – I would point you to these recent reports which evidence the contrary:
        http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/economy-meeting-fiasco-prompts-political-onslaught/20110728
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/8666586/Europes-hot-summer-as-Italy-and-Cyprus-join-sick-list.html
        http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100099004/cyprus-cabinet-resigns-as-euro-crisis-spreads/

        Also, I would point out that some of the worlds most problematic economies at the moment are non-Muslim and that some of the worlds most stable economies and lowest crime levels are Muslim. Religious bias (pro or anti) and racism are as damaging in any society as homophobia.

        1. ANTI-LEFTIST 2 Aug 2011, 1:10am

          Go to clinic immediatly you are very ill by Far-Fanatical Leftism. Cure yourself. Your writings are complete non-sense as a ill person with braindamaged mind as you are. If you love love muslim staes so much, go there where you will be executed because of your homosexuality, and we will get over of leftist lunatics like you! Goodbye Moron!

          1. @Anti Leftist

            Your highly thought through, authoritative and inspiring reflection on my comments leaves me in a place where most of it is worthy of little other than the the toilet paper I used yesterday as comment.

            However, for clarity I don’t love Muslim states. I am not leftist. Indeed, if you follow these threads you will see that I voted for the current government in the UK and would describe myself as a centrist

            I would not presume to comment as to your clibnical condition re neurological damage or other cause of mental derangement without clear clinicial evaluation – otherewise one would bedrawing conclusions on a simplistic statement made on the internet which of course, is such a valuable and authoritative way of drawing such conlusions. It seems possible, that you may suffer such derangement and that this would need elimination in clinical evaluation due to the conclusions you reach from one paragraph about someone you have not met.

    5. There is a great difference between the North of Cyprus and the Republic of Cyprus – so if anyone is seeking to boycott Cyprus on the basis of this event then care should be exercised as the political situation is far from simplistic on the island but the Republic is more liberal than the north, although still has improvements to make!

      The economy of the Republic is in a poor state. Fiscally they have major problems. I am not aware of the state of the northern economy currently – but it was precarious a couple of years back.

      1. ANTI-LEFTIST 3 Aug 2011, 12:06am

        Also, I would point out that some of the worlds most problematic economies at the moment are non-Muslim and that some of the worlds most stable economies and lowest crime levels are Muslim. Religious bias (pro or anti) and racism are as damaging in any society as homophobia.

        There is nothing sane or centrist in the above statenebt. You just have put the islamic countries as a model of development. Countries where:
        – honour killings are common
        – government sends tanks to kill its own people
        – being a gay would send you to execution
        – being non-muslim send you to execution
        – there is a basic drastic disrespect of human life and human values
        – no freedom of speech
        – no freedom of diversity
        and yet I am the bad one
        Good luck to the Communist party of the Far Left which dosn’t know anything but is preaching about everything!

        1. ANTI-LEFTIST 3 Aug 2011, 12:12am

          correction
          statenebt = statement

          as far as the economic level, no single country is developped without the help of oil. As far as the crme rates, the point I mentioned above are probably legal in the majority of the muslim countries, but that doesn’t make them crimeless from human point of view

          1. As for your comments on oil – does that include TExan oil, North Sea oil, etc etc????

        2. @Anti Leftist

          Where did I say Muslim countries were a model for development?

          I merely said that some Muslim countries had the msot successful economies currently and low levels of crime. If you take that as a broad stroke appreciation of the entire system in which they operate and a general endorsement – then your level of acceptable analysis is much lower than mine.

          My comments were in response to comments which illegitimately alleged that Muslim economy = poor economy etc. That is not factual and I was contesting the facts not endorsing the system.

          Try an be a little more sophisticated in your approach!

          For the recoed, I personally think state and religion should be separate. There should always be freedom of speech, association, religion, family life etc etc. Equlaity and diversity of all strands should be respected and encouraged. Honour killings should be an anathema to a civilised society etc etc

          As for far left – far from it. I think the ideology of Marixsm failed

          1. ANTI-LEFTIST 4 Aug 2011, 12:52am

            you mentioned it very clearly that for you these successful models of some muslim countries, you didn’t metion them by name, maybe because there aren’t any apart from oil explotation and you said that these countries have low level of crime,as I mentioned many of the crimes in these countries are deemed legal by their laws, but that doesn’t make them illegal from a human perspective of view. And Finally you said Marxism failed, but you are using authentic marxist methods in your quasi-argumention, no need to say more.
            No evidence, no facts, no appraisal, only dogmatic far lest indoctrination.

          2. ANTI-LEFTIST 4 Aug 2011, 1:08am

            And the majority of the honour killings DO HAPPEN IN ALMOST ALL MUSLIM COUNTRIES. It depends from country to country but it happens in almost all.

          3. ANTI-LEFTIST 4 Aug 2011, 1:10am

            correction: doesnt make them legal

          4. @Anti leftist

            No I said some had low crime rates and a fiscally well off position, I made no comment on wider social issues

  2. Those men in cyprus need to get a gay lawyer and human rights lawyer and the aclu, the racist police where arrested here in miami for harrassing the gay people and other police fired, you cannot bother grown people in their private adult relationships, you jealousy and intimaidation, and stalking of them make you a criminal and a stalker of gay people, and you must be arrested for harrasment emotionsal and physical damages, these men where a couple , they have a right to go out and have a relatioship if its initmate ,thats their businees they are grown, wear protections but you have a right to your own relationships hetero or gay, and the bigotry is and should alway be a crime because it leads to murder and harrassment and other abuses its lethal and dangerous, many cops have already been arrested and fired and some precints ;have had to pay large lawsuits including down here ft worth, the police precint should be sued for stalking and invasion of their privacy,

  3. What kind of snitch rats on two guys who love each other? Knowing that the law could harm them just for being together? How crazy is this world? Still killing people who love each other. We have the Christians and Muslims to blame for that. They are both Terrorist.

    1. Erm…it may just have been sex. The article doesn’t give information on whether they were a couple.

  4. Rich (original) 28 Jul 2011, 6:39pm

    Nasty paederasts offending the ancient land of Cyprus and should be punished with heavy punishment!

    1. :D Idiot

      1. They have a problem in the Madrassas?

  5. Rich (original) 28 Jul 2011, 6:42pm

    Insertion of a human penis of one man into rectum of another is not the act of love but the offense against Mankind.

    1. And the Bible says: ‘If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out.’
      You should read your Bible better, Rich.

      1. Or pluck out his eyes, I’d pay to see that!

    2. Jock S. Trap 29 Jul 2011, 2:11pm

      And yet you seem to be enjoying it.

    3. However, insertion of any sharp implement into your head would bring, and possibly many others a great deal of joy Rich.

      1. Jock S. Trap 29 Jul 2011, 3:32pm

        Hallelujah to that, Mendirin!

  6. Rich Go away

  7. We should be kicking these countries out of the EU. This has to be against the EU rules.

    1. I’m losing my patience! The whole thing happened in the part of the island which is illegally occupied by Turkey. It is not a member of the EU! Only the part of the island which is controlled by the legitimate (Greek) government is in the EU and homosexuality is legal there.

      1. Bill (Scotland) 28 Jul 2011, 9:15pm

        Sorry to be a bore, but the whole of the island of Cyrpus IS in the EU – the legal situation is highly complex and not at all the clear-cut one that poustis postulates.

        The official position of the EU regarding Cyprus is in the European Commission website here:
        http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/turkish_cypriot_community/index_en.htm

        A number of former British colonial territories retain pre-1967 style British legislation on homosexuality. Whatever else one may say about Turkey it does not have legislation outlawing homosexuality, even if in practice it is frowned on by many people there.

        As for the southern ‘Republic of Cyprus’, it brought its laws into line with EU norms on homosexulaity when it joined in 2004, but the society there remains extremely conservative. Just as is Greece, because of the influence of the Orthodox Church there, whatever the formal legislation may dictate.

      2. There is no EU angle here. EU law is suspended in northern Cyprus, so the ECJ has no jurisdiction.

        The ECHR (Council of Europe) protects gay sex under Article 8 and does have jurisdiction in TRNC.

        Turkey is an ECHR signatory, and the ECHR has repeatedly held that signatories are responsible for violations within territories they occupy, legally or illegally. Turkey has on many occasions been held responsible for violations in TRNC.

        But ECHR judgements cannot always be enforced. Article 8 was used successfully to decriminalise homosexuality in both Northern Ireland (1981-2) and the Republic of Ireland (1988-93). But when the same judgement was made by the ECHR against the Republic of Cyprus in 1993, Cyprus refused to comply until 1998 when the carrot of EU membership was offered.

        A brave TRNC resident could bring an ‘in principle’ case under Article 8, but would risk police persecution – and likely government non-compliance with the ruling obtained.

  8. Shortbus Movement 28 Jul 2011, 7:51pm

    Dear Friends, you can find more details here:
    http://shortbusmovement.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/a-nightmare-which-turned-into-a-shame-on-the-human-rights/

    LGBTIs in North Cyprus need to be heard!

  9. No matter where are they! We are all human at the end of the day!!! This is a Nightmare Which Turned into a Shame on the Human Rights! You should read more about the case…It is really interesting…
    You can find more detailed information from this website: http://shortbusmovement.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/a-nightmare-which-turned-into-a-shame-on-the-human-rights/

  10. This Muslim enclave is the only place in Europe where homosexuality is illegal.

    1. Wouldnt strictly speaking call it a Muslim enclave

      There are still significant numbers of both non religious and Greek Orthodox Christians

  11. spiritbody 28 Jul 2011, 9:59pm

    They were arrested for having intercourse. One was arrested in the hotel room, the other was arrested in the car park?!! How long is that guys cock?!

      1. Ha Ha

  12. jamestoronto 29 Jul 2011, 1:57am

    Isn’t it strange that the only law that seems to be a hold-over from British rule is the one outlawing gay sex? Why all the struggle for independence if for, over half a century, you haven’t been able to repeal or change one colonial law. Don’t blame this one on British colonial policy or the West or whatever, it is the Muslim clerics who run it. Plain and simple. Many, many countries – my own included – emerged from the Empire and somehow were capable of changing laws on their own. This one is on their own government and no one else.

  13. This is Northern Cyprus, illegally occupied by Turkey since 1974, and not recognised by anyone as a ‘Republic’ or anything resembling a proper state except Turkey and Azerbaijan (that other bastion of human rights). Whenever Muslims bleat to me about ‘Palestine’, I remind them that, unlike Cyprus, there was no actual country there to invade. The Greeks, on the other hand, had their homes possessed, their buildings demolished, their cemteries desecrated, their parliament rendered void in their own country, and their sons murdered. Now THAT’S a cause for campaign for bitches like Vanessa Redgrave.

    1. Firstly, both the Greeks and Turks have behaved extremely badly to each other (home possession, demolished buildings, etc), not only during the 1974 invasion, but both before and after.
      Further, the Turkish Cypriots (those originally from the island) are in general far less religiously observant than “mainland” Turks.
      The northern side of the island suffers probably more from its isolation (whether self-imposed or not) than it does from islamisation.

  14. The British Empire, and the Colonies have either ceased to exist or continually demise. As each country becomes independent it should not be allowed to use British colonial law, being that it is no longer British! Further because of the times there should be statues that laws of 50/75/100 years old not be allowed to be used as they do not reflect the present time and place in the world vs when they were written and in many ways are unconstitutional.

  15. Gay Daily Mail Reader 29 Jul 2011, 8:00am

    I am deeply concerned by this. I thought that Northern Cyprus had removed that leftover from British colonialism – however we don’t know the full details of what had happened yet. Don’t forget that more gay men got arrested in England immediately after the 1967 decriminalisation than in the years before for breaking the strict privacy law. I hope that this will encourage debate in the Muslim part of the island and hopefully soon the last stain of criminalised homosexuality will be wipe from the face of Europe forever.

  16. Unfortunately legislative changes in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (a de jure Republic with increasing international recognition – albeit informally) take a very long time. Most MPs don’t do anything and the cabinet is largely focussed on achieving a settlement with the South. Turkish Cypriot LGBT groups in Cyprus and the UK will be stepping up the campaign against these laws over the next few weeks. And can I just say to my Greek Cypriot cousins that calling our representatives illegal or illegitimate is not conducive to a fair settlement for all Cypriots when you won’t even recognise those you’re negotiating with. With respect to this case we don’t know if either of the men is gay, it sounds like a neighbour had an issue with one of them so complained, nonetheless we need to push ahead with the reform campaign asap and stop the Turk baiting please…

  17. Neither Turkish nor North Cyprus are especially religious at all by the way. This is just a remnant of colonial law.

    1. I agree with your point about Northern Cyprus but Turkey is actually a very religious country. Yes, it’s not as religious as say, Saudi Arabia, and it’s certainly a lot more moderate than almost all Muslim-majority countries, but it is very religious compared to Britain, France and et cetera.

      1. Speaking to Turkish friends they perceive there is little dedicated religion in their country, a bit like tacit religion in the UK – nominal Muslims in Turkey, nominal Christians in UK

        1. That’s rubbish. I come from a Turkish background and, whilst there are many nominal Muslims, it’s a far more religious country than the UK. In terms of religiousity I would put it on par with the USA.

          But, in terms of conservatism, it’s far more conservative than the US. At least in the US one half is tolerant. IN turkey, it’s far less.

          1. That is your appraisal of the situation … and having only ever visited Istanbul I can only speak of what I have been told by three or four Turkish friends who all agree that the number of nominal Muslims is similar to the number of nominal Christians in the UK. They may be right, you may be right … its subjective. In many ways, I hope you are wrong … its a more palatable situation

  18. Turkey generally is becoming a more conservative, authoritarian country.

    It’s very worrying – not just for homos, but the press, women, atheists and free thinkers, religious minorities and et cetera.

    1. Almost half of all wives in Turkey are beaten up. Islamic countries invariably revert to type.

      1. Evidence?

        1. None then …?

          1. Clearly Enoch only has rhetoric

  19. Its the countries law, so its fine with how the Law Enforcement have acted

    1. Of course that’s not the issue. But the arrest itself highlights this morally corrupt law.

      Those silly antiquated state laws in the US aren’t enforced either. That’s why no one complains about them.

      1. You’re wrong about US law.

        US states which criminalise homosexual sex no longer enforce these laws because in Lawrence v Texas (2003), SCOTUS held that these laws were unconstitutional and could not be enforced. If these laws could be enforced, they might well be. In that 2003 case, the two men had been having private, consensual sex in Mr Lawrence’s apartment, in 1998 – that’s just thirteen years ago.

        And many people do complain about the US state laws. The sole reason for keeping these illegal, unenforceable laws on the state codes is in order to express the state’s disapproval of homosexuality. These laws are still on the books in Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas – despite vigorous opposition from many.

        1. I was talking about US city laws (or ordinances, as we would probably call them here) to prove my point. I should have been clearer, sorry.

  20. Jock S. Trap 29 Jul 2011, 11:51am

    This whole things is a disgrace.

    The men should be left alone and left to go about their business.

    I also think the statement “When the island became an independent nation in 1960 the anti-gay British colonial laws remained” is a completely unnecessary comment since it means that North Cyprus has choosen it’s own laws and the British have since changed.

    It cheapens the whole story as if it wasn’t bad enough.

    North Cyprus has had 51 years since independance which means the law is their own, nobody elses and nobody elses fault but those who govern North Cyprus..

  21. Rich (original) 29 Jul 2011, 12:01pm

    Cyprus should be cleared of paederasts once and for all. No homosexual idiot should ever dare to arrive in Cyprus!

    1. Cancel your trip and go to Devon.

      1. Jock S. Trap 29 Jul 2011, 3:33pm

        No thanks, don’t want that polluting our country.

    2. That rules Cyprus out for you on both counts then, doesn’t it Rich (original)?

    3. And what about us ‘homosexual idiots’ already on the island? I quite like it here. Maybe you should leave. :)

      1. Rich (original) 29 Jul 2011, 6:58pm

        You should be thrown on the bottom of sea, as Prophet Jesus Christus recommended over 2000 years ago.

        1. Jock S. Trap 30 Jul 2011, 10:48am

          Still deluding yourself I see.

        2. And where does the prophet Jesus say that exactly? Go back to Sunday school.

  22. I don’t understand what cyprus’ economic state has to do with this story. Some of the comments here infuriate me! And as for the politics, just to make it clear – this occurred in the TRNC which is a separate state from the Republic of Cyprus. But who cares what side this occurred on! As an openly gay Cypriot myself, I want to see equality on both sides of the island. I suggest you all Google the Shortbus Movement or Accept LGBT; both gay rights groups in Cyprus.

    1. The user “poustis” (a nationalistic Greek, I should imagine) stated that Cyprus was not on a verge of bankruptcy. It all went from there.

      In any case, it’s not uncommon for discussions to go a bit sidetracked on message boards. No need to get your knickers in a twist.

      1. Yep, ‘poustis’ is a bit hard-lined in his views and a bit OTT. What I was referring to was the post that said the EU should kick countries out on the verge of bankruptcy, which itself is a bit OTT! Let’s focus on the issues reported here and raise awareness.

        1. You’ll find this is a usual response here. The majority is against the EU, but the moment some member country misbehaves, they all stand behind it and call for expulsion. I imagine they all immediately kick out the family member who accidentally breaks the china as well.

      2. Rich (original) 30 Jul 2011, 11:04am

        Bankruptcy is not a terrible condition. In many instances it is some sort of catharsis (kathairein) or the time for rethinking own life and the way of performance in the economic world, and making more workable decisions, and become more diligent and intelligent then ever before.

        1. Jock S. Trap 30 Jul 2011, 1:13pm

          Crazy fruitloops says what now?

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